Something is going down with WikiLeaks...

[JoshLowry]

http://twitter.com/wikileaks



WikiLeaks to reveal Pentagon murder-coverup at US National Press Club, Apr 5, 9am; contact press-club@sunshinepress.org
WikiLeaks is currently under an aggressive US and Icelandic surveillance operation. Following/photographing/filming/detaining
If anything happens to us, you know why: it is our Apr 5 film. And you know who is responsible.
Two under State Dep diplomatic cover followed our editor from Iceland to http://skup.no on Thursday.
One related person was detained for 22 hours. Computer’s seized.That’s http://www.skup.no
We know our possession of the decrypted airstrike video is now being discussed at the highest levels of US command.
We have been shown secret photos of our production meetings and been asked specific questions during detention related to the airstrike.
We have airline records of the State Dep/CIA tails. Don’t think you can get away with it. You cannot. This is WikiLeaks.

[Bruno]

Related to this

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=235862&highlight=wikileaks

and this?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=237128&highlight=wikileaks

[moostraks]

:eek: seriously??? wth???

[dr. hfn]

:O

[Anti Federalist]

http://twitter.com/wikileaks



WikiLeaks to reveal Pentagon murder-coverup at US National Press Club, Apr 5, 9am; contact press-club@sunshinepress.org
WikiLeaks is currently under an aggressive US and Icelandic surveillance operation. Following/photographing/filming/detaining
If anything happens to us, you know why: it is our Apr 5 film. And you know who is responsible.
Two under State Dep diplomatic cover followed our editor from Iceland to http://skup.no on Thursday.
One related person was detained for 22 hours. Computer’s seized.That’s http://www.skup.no
We know our possession of the decrypted airstrike video is now being discussed at the highest levels of US command.
We have been shown secret photos of our production meetings and been asked specific questions during detention related to the airstrike.
We have airline records of the State Dep/CIA tails. Don’t think you can get away with it. You cannot. This is WikiLeaks.


Why strongly worded letters of protest ultimately fail.

These people are cold blooded killers.

[JoshLowry]

Related to this

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=235862&highlight=wikileaks


Highly unlikely.

The Army runs thousands of scenarios... They have docs on invading Canada and Mexico.

[Andrew-Austin]

Can't wait. This is the kind of information that we need to go viral and spread far and wide to discredit such bureaucracies with great power and no accountability.

[pcosmar]

A bit more on this.

Is the U.S. Government Spying on a Tiny Secret-Sharing Website?
http://gawker.com/5500703/is-the-us-government-spying-on-a-tiny-secret+sharing-website

Judging from their tweets, Wikileaks believes the surveillance is related to an upcoming presentation where they will show unencrypted footage of a May 7 U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan which killed 97 civilians:

[phill4paul]

Rule # 42

Never with hold condemning information as a condition for being allowed to breath another day. They will just kill you.

Let the cat out of the bag then they might get to you in a few years after they have finished putting out fires.

Seriously. Just publish those photos of bigfoot and turn many samples of the remains over to many independent agencies for verification.

It'll give you the time to put your affairs in order.

[Rael]

WikiLeaks Monitored by U.S., Icelandic Authorities Over Pentagon Murder Video
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Source: NU.nl

Employees of whistleblower site Wikileaks claim to be monitored and maintained by employees of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Icelandic authorities. The occasion would be a video, which an air of Americans to see.

On April 5 to Wikileaks at a meeting of the National Press Club in Washington a video showing an attack by the U.S. Air Force. It would involve a murder carried out by the Pentagon. The staff of the site also draw on information from CIA aircraft have as supporting evidence.The staff of the site also draw on information from CIA aircraft have as supporting evidence.

Wikileaks claims on Twitter regarding the upcoming screening to be at work. Employees would be monitored by the U.S. and Icelandic authorities. These are photos and videos taken of the employees, an employee is 22 hours would be arrested and tried to get the video.

Employees would be monitored by the U.S. and Icelandic authorities. These are photos and videos taken of the employees, an employee is 22 hours would be arrested and tried to get the video.

Employees express on Twitter concern: “If anything happens to us, it is the video of April 5.”

The Web site Wikileaks is very controversial, because the documents of governments and companies with scandals reveals. Last year the site was ordered by a U.S. court concluded ten days, because the Swiss bank Julius Baer about his money laundering in the Cayman Islands did not read back online.

That Iceland is involved in the story has to do with the fact that the site is trying to go to escape. Currently there working on a number of legislative amendments, which should provide legal protection for journalists and whistleblowers. This Icelandic Modern Media Initiative, the country attractive to the establishment of data centers to lure.

Wikileaks currently faces major financial problems and trying to secure the continued existence by asking donations.

[Mini-Me]

If this is the case, I wonder why they are even risking waiting until April 5th instead of releasing the video straight onto the Internet.

[Rael]

If this is the case, I wonder why they are even risking waiting until April 5th instead of releasing the video straight onto the Internet.

Maybe to generate publicity for donations. Apparently they are having financial difficulties.

[pcosmar]

If this is the case, I wonder why they are even risking waiting until April 5th instead of releasing the video straight onto the Internet.

Not sure on that. I think it was the planed date to release it at some event.
Perhaps it will be released sooner because of this.

It seems the footage they got was originally encrypted. They had to get time on a supercomputer to get it unencrypted.
They do get a hold of some interesting stuff.

It also explains the Government targeting them ,,again.

[pcosmar]

This too is interesting.

(If you're wondering what the editors were doing in Iceland: Wikileaks is currently helping draft legislation that would make the country a safe haven for investigative journalists. Ha!)
http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/02/iceland-aims-to-become-an-offshore-haven-for-journalists-and-leakers/?

[Vessol]

Let's see how many "anti-war" Lefties support Obama's war after it's found out that the U.S Military knowingly murdered 97 unarmed civilians.

[specsaregood]

Let's see how many "anti-war" Lefties support Obama's war after it's found out that the U.S Military knowingly murdered 97 unarmed civilians.

It won't make one bit of difference. "Gotta support the president" and all that jazz.

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Russia Today covers this story:

YouTube - Pentagon murder cover-up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJik7CjorCk)

[Reason]

fuck

[Vessol]

Russia Today covers this story:

I love it when Russia Today digs up the skeletons on the closets of other nations but ignores their own.

[Pete_00]

I love it when Russia Today digs up the skeletons on the closets of other nations but ignores their own.

Wars imposed on them (Georgia), surrounded with military bases, weapons and missile "shields" from a Government that brings down their own buildings to start wars and mass slaughters across the World, having a piece of land (Kosovo) that is precious to their culture stolen and given to thugs and islamists...etc...etc...

I dont blame them...

[Vessol]

Wars imposed on them (Georgia), surrounded with military bases, weapons and missile "shields" from a Government that brings down their own buildings to start wars and mass slaughters across the World, having a piece of land (Kosovo) that is precious to their culture stolen and given to thugs and islamists...etc...etc...

I dont blame them...

If you have a three murderers in the room, you don't forgive the third one because his murder was just a little less heinous.

I really do fail to understand how anyone here somehow thinks that tyranny is fine, if it's tyranny which fights against our own tyranny.

Contrary to popular belief, our enemies of our enemies are not our friends. Unless you want to live a short life.

Hugo Chavez, Ahmajinedad, Putin, Kim Jong Il. None of these men have anything admirable about them.

Make no mistake. You shouldn't be pushed by the media into believing a war with them is fine. The reason the 'global empire' wants to invade and take over all these nations that stand up against them isn't because these nations are somehow bastions of hope and freedom. Rather because they are the little pockets of resistence led by tin-pot dictators.

Russia itself has a horrible trackrecord of giving a shit for its people and ignoring any types of small-government freedom. Even their current "democracy" is a joke. It's full of ex-Soviet cronies and con-men who buy their way into government. Their media situation is dispicible with even a greater disregard for freedom of press there then here(which is pretty bad already). Not to mention clear disregard and circumvention of term limits by it's now Prime Minister Putin.

[Baptist]

I love it when Russia Today digs up the skeletons on the closets of other nations but ignores their own.


At least they are honest about it. From their "about us."


Apart from regular news updates, RT offers a unique insight into many aspects of Russian history, culture and opinions. Our special projects are specifically tailored to accustom the international audience with the Russian perspective.

Contrast that with U.S. news media outlets who claim to be unbiased or "fair and balanced" even though they are propaganda arms for our government (yes, this includes the globalist, liberal Murdoch's Fox News).

Russia Today is the best TV news out there.

[Inflation]

I love it when Russia Today digs up the skeletons on the closets of other nations but ignores their own.

Hmm, should I piss off Czar Vlad Putin or work with the nice Russian ladies?

Not a hard choice. :p

[Baptist]

Bump for those who don't use search function.

[Reason]

//

[stu2002]

The rise of the internet brings the greatest challenge yet to the globe’s existing centers of power, and those associated with those centers of power are at least partially aware of this. China has reacted with the construction of its second Great Wall, the Russian government appears to have shut down a website used to organize a recent spate of ad hoc protests, and there have been various murmurs by such degenerate political figures as Hugo Chavez to the effect that the internet’s anarchic nature runs contrary to their own preferred schematic for humanity, one which is reliant on such people as themselves (I am paraphrasing for accuracy by implication, of course).

Among the institutions that have arisen as of late that challenge secrecy, and thus the status quo, is Wikileaks, which has provided a tremendous service to humanity by serving as a clearinghouse by which previously-secret information may be disseminated to the public, which may then decide for itself whether the more traditional institutions that operate in its name ought to be permitted to continue to do so. It has produced a great number of important scoops over the past few years, and it appears to be preparing for yet another. It also appears to be under present attack by portions of the U.S. intelligence community at this very moment.

As noted by a related blog[Down due to excessive traffic, changed link to Twitter feed itself, 6:11 EST], the Wikileaks Twitter feed produced a number of disturbing messages last night:

WikiLeaks to reveal Pentagon murder-coverup at US National Press Club, Apr 5, 9am; contact press-club@sunshinepress.org

WikiLeaks is currently under an aggressive US and Icelandic surveillance operation. Following/photographing/filming/detaining

If anything happens to us, you know why: it is our Apr 5 film. And you know who is responsible.

Two under State Dep diplomatic cover followed our editor from Iceland to http://skup.no on Thursday.

One related person was detained for 22 hours. Computer’s seized.That’s http://www.skup.no

We know our possession of the decrypted airstrike video is now being discussed at the highest levels of US command.

We have been shown secret photos of our production meetings and been asked specific questions during detention related to the airstrike.

We have airline records of the State Dep/CIA tails. Don’t think you can get away with it. You cannot. This is WikiLeaks.

These messages come a few days after Wikileaks produced what appears to be evidence that portions of the U.S. intelligence and diplomatic communities have floated the idea of discrediting this outlet by way of methods similar to those employed in the CIA’s COINTELPRO operations of the late ’60s.

If this is actually occurring, it is the most important story of the year thus far. Depending on who you are, though, you may not take it seriously. I will note, and you as a reader may verify for yourself, that nearly every single individual involved in matters of information freedom takes this extraordinarily seriously, and that this incident will be the focus of all of them no matter whether or not the defunct media decides to grace it with a passing mention (and thereby legitimize the story in the eyes of those who deem matters important on the basis of whether they are being discussed by big shiny news outlets run by producers who care only for handbags). I will have more to relate on that particular subject later today after I hear back from certain individuals with more information on this incident and the specific events that may have prompted it.

Update

Some important links:

Wikileaks Twitter Feed – This hasn’t been updated for some 14 hours as of 2:00 pm EST. Update 9:04 EST Updated with message to the effect that everyone’s fine, see below.

http://trueslant.com/barrettbrown/2010/03/24/cia-state-department-apparently-acting-on-plan-to-destroy-wikileaks/

[wizardwatson]

I think it would be great to have some more documented evidence of what we know is happening.

I saw a video the other day (tried looking but can't find it again). It was a drone aerial video showing around 4 or 5 people, 2 of which were either children or midgets walking down a road. Overlayed on the video was "suspected taliban". But these people were just walking down the road. Then after about a minute of walking Kaboom!! You see one of the targets running away from the dark cloud of smoke.

Pretty disturbing considering two of the targets were most likely children. I'm guessing this wikileaks video is similar, only has a higher body count.

[Baptist]

Bump because although they might be hyping this for more donations, I am really hoping that this video is nasty enough to reinvigorate the anti-war movement and get Americans talking about this war again.

[TheConstitutionLives]

I recommend going to this story via the link below b/c it has a few images.

Saturday, Mar 27, 2010 08:29 EDT
The war on WikiLeaks and why it matters

By Glenn Greenwald

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/

A newly leaked CIA report prepared earlier this month (.pdf) analyzes how the U.S. Government can best manipulate public opinion in Germany and France -- in order to ensure that those countries continue to fight in Afghanistan. The Report celebrates the fact that the governments of those two nations continue to fight the war in defiance of overwhelming public opinion which opposes it -- so much for all the recent veneration of "consent of the governed" -- and it notes that this is possible due to lack of interest among their citizenry: "Public Apathy Enables Leaders to Ignore Voters," proclaims the title of one section.

But the Report also cites the "fall of the Dutch Government over its troop commitment to Afghanistan" and worries that -- particularly if the "bloody summer in Afghanistan" that many predict takes place -- what happened to the Dutch will spread as a result of the "fragility of European support" for the war. As the truly creepy Report title puts it, the CIA's concern is: "Why Counting on Apathy May Not Be Enough":

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The Report seeks to provide a back-up plan for "counting on apathy," and provides ways that the U.S. Government can manipulate public opinion in these foreign countries. It explains that French sympathy for Afghan refugees means that exploiting Afghan women as pro-war messengers would be effective, while Germans would be more vulnerable to a fear-mongering campaign (failure in Afghanistan means the Terrorists will get you). The Report highlights the unique ability of Barack Obama to sell war to European populations (click on images to enlarge):



It's both interesting and revealing that the CIA sees Obama as a valuable asset in putting a pretty face on our wars in the eyes of foreign populations. It is odious -- though, of course, completely unsurprising -- that the CIA plots ways to manipulate public opinion in foreign countries in order to sustain support for our wars. Now that this is a Democratic administration doing this and a Democratic war at issue, I doubt many people will object to any of this. But what is worth noting is how and why this classified Report was made publicly available: because it was leaked to and then posted by WikiLeaks.org, the site run by the non-profit group Sunshine Press, that is devoted to exposing suppressed government and corporate corruption by publicizing many of their most closely guarded secrets.

* * * * *

I spoke this morning at length with Julian Assange, the Australian citizen who is WikiLeaks' Editor, regarding the increasingly aggressive war being waged against WikiLeaks by numerous government agencies, including the Pentagon. Over the past several years, WikiLeaks -- which aptly calls itself "the intelligence agency of the people" -- has obtained and then published a wide array of secret, incriminating documents (similar to this CIA Report) that expose the activities of numerous governments and corporations. Among many others, they posted the Standard Operating Manual for Guantanamo, documents showing how corrupt offshore loans precipitated the economic collapse in Iceland, the notorious emails between climate scientists, documents showing toxic dumping off the coast of Africa, and many others. They have recently come into possession of classified videos relating to civilian causalities under the command of Gen. David Petraeus, as well as documentation relating to civilian-slaughtering airstrikes in Afghanistan which the U.S. military had agreed to release, only to change their mind.

All of this has made WikiLeaks an increasingly hated target of numerous government and economic elites around the world, including the U.S. Government. As The New York Times put it last week: "To the list of the enemies threatening the security of the United States, the Pentagon has added WikiLeaks.org, a tiny online source of information and documents that governments and corporations around the world would prefer to keep secret." In 2008, the U.S. Army Counterintelligence Center prepared a secret report -- obtained and posted by WikiLeaks -- devoted to this website and detailing, in a section entitled "Is it Free Speech or Illegal Speech?", ways it would seek to destroy the organization. It discusses the possibility that, for some governments, not merely contributing to WikiLeaks, but "even accessing the website itself is a crime," and outlines its proposal for WikiLeaks' destruction as follows (click on images to enlarge):



As the Pentagon report put it: "the governments of China, Israel, North Korea, Russia, Vietnam and Zimbabwe" have all sought to block access to or otherwise impede the operations of WikiLeaks, and the U.S. Government now joins that illustrious list of transparency-loving countries in targeting them.

It's not difficult to understand why the Pentagon wants to destroy WikiLeaks. Here's how the Pentagon's report describes some of the disclosures for which they are responsible:

The Pentagon report also claims that WikiLeaks has disclosed documents that could expose U.S. military plans in Afghanistan and Iraq and endanger the military mission, though its discussion is purely hypothetical and no specifics are provided. Instead, the bulk of the Pentagon report focuses on documents which embarrass the U.S. Government: information which, as they put it, "could be manipulated to provide biased news reports or be used for conducting propaganda, disinformation, misinformation, perception management, or influence operations against the U.S. Army by a variety of domestic and foreign actors." In other words, the Pentagon is furious that this exposing of its secrets might enable others to engage in exactly the type of "perception management" which the aforementioned CIA Report proposes the U.S. do with regard to the citizenry of our allied countries.

All of this is based in the same rationale invoked by President Obama and the Democratic Congress when they re-wrote the Freedom of Information Act last year in order to suppress America's torture photos. It's the same rationale used by all governments to conceal evidence of their wrongdoing: we need to suppress our activities for your own good. WikiLeaks is devoted to subverting that mentality and, relatively speaking, has been quite successful in doing so.

For that reason, numerous governments and private groups would like to see them destroyed. Corporations have sued to have the site shut down. And in addition to this 2008 Pentagon report, WikiLeaks has acquired, though not yet posted, other U.S. Government classified reports on its activities, including a U.S. Marine Intelligence Report and an analysis prepared by the U.S. military base in Germany, both of which speak of WikiLeaks as a threat. Moreover, the FBI has refused to provide any information about its investigations and other activities aimed at WikiLeaks, citing, in response to FOIA requests, national security and other excuses for concealing it.

* * * * *

In my interview this morning with Assange, he described multiple incidents that clearly signal a recent escalation of surveillance and other forms of harassment directed at WikiLeaks. Many of those events are detailed in an Editorial they just published, which, he explained, was part of an effort to publicize what is being done to them in order to provide some safety and buffer. A good summary of those events is provided by Gawker. As but one disturbing incident: a volunteer, a minor, who works with WikiLeaks was detained in Iceland last week and questioned extensively about an incriminating video WikiLeaks possesses relating to the actions of the U.S. military. During the course of the interrogation, the WikiLeaks volunteer was not only asked questions about the video based on non-public knowledge about its contents (i.e., information which only the U.S. military would have), but was also shown surveillance photos of Assange exiting a recent WikiLeaks meeting regarding the imminent posting of documents concerning the Pentagon.

That WikiLeaks is being targeted by the U.S. Government for surveillance and disruption is beyond doubt. And it underscores how vital their work is and why it's such a threat.

WikiLeaks editors, including Assagne, have spent substantial time of late in Iceland because there is a pending bill in that country's Parliament that would provide meaningful whistle blower protection for what they do, far greater than exists anywhere else. Why is Iceland a leading candidate to do that? Because, last year, that nation suffered full-scale economic collapse. It was then revealed that numerous nefarious causes (corrupt loans, off-shore transactions, concealed warning signs) were hidden completely from the public and even from policy-makers, preventing detection and avoidance. Worse, most of Iceland's institutions -- from its media to its legislative and regulatory bodies -- completely failed to penetrate this wall of secrecy, allowing this corruption to fester until it brought about full-scale financial ruin. As a result, Iceland has become very receptive to the fact that the type of investigative exposure provided by WikiLeaks is a vital national good, and there is real political will to provide it with substantial protections.

If that doesn't sound familiar to Americans, it should. At exactly the time when U.S. government secrecy is at an all-time high, the institutions ostensibly responsible for investigation, oversight and exposure have failed. The American media are largely co-opted, and their few remaining vestiges of real investigative journalism are crippled by financial constraints. The U.S. Congress is almost entirely impotent at providing meaningful oversight and is, in any event, controlled by the factions that maintain virtually complete secrecy. As I've documented before, some alternative means of investigative journalism have arisen -- such as the ACLU's tenacious FOIA litigations to pry documents showing "War on Terror" abuses and the reams of bloggers who sort through, analyze and publicize them -- but that's no match for the vast secrecy powers of the government and private corporations.

The need for independent leaks and whistle-blowing exposures is particularly acute now because, at exactly the same time that investigative journalism has collapsed, public and private efforts to manipulate public opinion have proliferated. This is exemplified by the type of public opinion management campaign detailed by the above-referenced CIA Report, the Pentagon's TV propaganda program exposed in 2008, and the ways in which private interests covertly pay and control supposedly "independent political commentators" to participate in our public debates and shape public opinion.

Last month, I was on a panel at the New School's Conference on how information is controlled in a democracy, and also on the panel were Daniel Ellsberg, who risked his liberty to leak the Pentagon Papers, and The New York Times' David Barstow, who won the Pulitzer Prize for exposing the Pentagon's propaganda program. Ellsberg described how massive is the apparatus of secrecy in the National Security State, and Barstow made the vital point -- which I summarized in the clip below when speaking later that day at NYU Law School -- that the public and private means for manipulating public opinion are rapidly increasing at exactly the same time that checks on secrecy (such as investigative journalism) are vanishing:



Aside from the handful of organizations (the ACLU, the NYT) with the resources and will to engage in protracted FOIA litigations against the government, one of the last avenues to uncover government and other elite secrets are whistle blowers and organizations that enable them. WikiLeaks is one of the world's most effective such groups, and it's thus no surprise that they're under such sustained attacks.

This is how Assange put it to me this morning in explaining why he believes his organization's activities are so vital and why he's willing to make himself a target in order to do it:


This information has reform potential. And the information which is concealed or suppressed is concealed or suppressed because the people who know it best understand that it has the ability to reform. So they engage in work to prevent that reform . . . .

There are reasons I do it that have to do with wanting to reform civilization, and selectively targeting information will do that -- understanding that quality information is what every decision is based on, and all the decisions taken together is what "civilization" is, so if you want to improve civilization, you have to remove some of the basic constraints, which is the quality of information that civilization has at its disposal to make decisions. Of course, there's a personal psychology to it, that I enjoy crushing bastards, I like a good challenge, so do a lot of the other people involved in WikiLeaks. We like the challenge.


The public and private organizations most eager to maintain complete secrecy around what they do -- including numerous U.S. military and intelligence agencies -- are obviously threatened by WikiLeaks' activities, which is why they seek to harass and cripple them. There are numerous ways one can support WikiLeaks -- donations, volunteer work, research, legal and technical assistance -- and that can be done through their site. There aren't many groups more besieged, or doing more important work, than they.

[eOs]

holy fuck.

[dwdollar]

Wikileaks is messing with the CIA now. I fear they may not last much longer.

[Rael]

Now would be a good time to send them some $$$ :)

[moostraks]

If this is actually occurring, it is the most important story of the year thus far. Depending on who you are, though, you may not take it seriously. I will note, and you as a reader may verify for yourself, that nearly every single individual involved in matters of information freedom takes this extraordinarily seriously, and that this incident will be the focus of all of them no matter whether or not the defunct media decides to grace it with a passing mention (and thereby legitimize the story in the eyes of those who deem matters important on the basis of whether they are being discussed by big shiny news outlets run by producers who care only for handbags). I will have more to relate on that particular subject later today after I hear back from certain individuals with more information on this incident and the specific events that may have prompted it.


Emphasis mine...the above emphasised is a huge part of the problem. Witness the weekend fiasco as regards militia raids. Everyone is hellbent on needing msm to report on an issue before they believe it occurs (myself include from time to time depending on the issue at hand). It is so ridiculous because they are the propaganda arm of the government. Their job is to divide and conquer. Old habits die hard,though, when it comes to looking for information...:(

[UtahApocalypse]

If they are so fearful why not release the video BEFORE they are killed, banned, jailed, or dissapered??

[tmosley]

If they are so fearful why not release the video BEFORE they are killed, banned, jailed, or dissapered??

That is what I was thinking. Release it early and get it over with. Hell, they could call a press conference today and hold a public showing.

[cybloo]

Latest news: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0330/iceland-summons-top-diplomat-wikileaks-dustup/

This April 5th release date couldn't come at a better time because I have to give a presentation about WikiLeaks on the 6th of April. Depending on what will happen on the 5th, I might be able to generate some interesting dialogue and questions about Freedom of Information and why organizations like WikiLeaks are so important for society as a whole.

[Baptist]

bump for those without search and who are only able to access the first page of General Politics.

[DirtMcGirt]

They just tweeted that they are going to release their video showing air strike in Afghanistan on April 5th...

[Rael]

I just hope this is the real deal and not a false alarm.

[DAFTEK]

A comment from the RT video:


lord3imos (http://www.youtube.com/user/lord3imos) do you ever wonder the reason they never did anything to ALex jones? while they killed william cooper, ALex jones is a cia jesuit and even Hal tuner is an FBI agent

I'm sure we have some die hard fans on our forum who would love to explain that one.. :D

How does AJ get away with his show, dvd's and footwork? Hmmm? Ohh, Mehhh....!:rolleyes:

[Rael]

A comment from the RT video:


I'm sure we have some die hard fans on our forum who would love to explain that one.. :D

How does AJ get away with his show, dvd's and footwork? Hmmm? Ohh, Mehhh....!:rolleyes:

It's more effective to smear and label him as a crackpot.

Killing someone like that tends to draw attention and make martyrs.

[Baptist]

Today is the big day.

[tropicangela]

Today is the big day.

I was up watching "Why We Fight" and "Ground Truth: Human Cost of War" last night till 1am, and thought about the video wiki is releasing today until I drifted off.

[Bern]

almost 9am CST. Still not posted...

[TheState]

Any news?

[amy31416]

Any news?

Nope.

I'll be irked if it was just a bunch of hype to try to increase donations.

[szczebrzeszyn]

Nope.

I'll be irked if it was just a bunch of hype to try to increase donations.

We'll see... Their recent tweet:
Video showing murder of Iraqi civilians and two Reuters journalists will be released at 16:00 UTC latest.

[tropicangela]

their twitter was updated:

"Video showing murder of Iraqi civilians and two Reuters journalists will be released at 16:00 UTC latest."
44 minutes ago via web

[pcosmar]

Been watching for it out of curiosity. But suspect that even if it is extremely damning the public will just blink, and go on with their everyday routine.
As they have with other releases.
:(

[amy31416]

Been watching for it out of curiosity. But suspect that even if it is extremely damning the public will just blink, and go on with their everyday routine.
As they have with other releases.
:(

Sadly, I think you're right.

This story about our soldiers killing women, then covering it up by digging bullets out of their bodies and whitewashing the scene of the crime, is hardly making a whimper: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/world/asia/05afghan.html?ref=world

[TheState]

It's up http://collateralmurder.com/

[Bruno]

Sadly, I think you're right.

This story about our soldiers killing women, then covering it up by digging bullets out of their bodies and whitewashing the scene of the crime, is hardly making a whimper: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/world/asia/05afghan.html?ref=world

timing of this release just before the wikileak release is suspect

[Bobster]

Just watched the video, it was pretty abhorrent, appalling, and disgusting. Can't say I didn't expect it.

[amy31416]

It's up http://collateralmurder.com/

It's like a freaking video game, and they killed people just for going to try to pick up the dead and wounded.

Jesus...makes me sick, literally.

[RM918]

So...how long until this hits CNN? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? Eternity?

[Bruno]

So...how long until this hits CNN? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? Eternity?

this

Man, that was messed up. :mad:

[szczebrzeszyn]

I suppose digging it won't hurt:
http://bit.ly/bF0rWn

[DirtMcGirt]

FYI---It is a very raw video w/ military commentary it is not for the faint of heart...

[pcosmar]

Good info.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.
:(

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

wow... just watched it... the worst part is that I do not think the media will touch this at all.

[tmosley]

This is instructive. Never gather in groups of more than three while outside. Have a basement to hold meetings in. Never carry anything in your hands, but rather put it in a backpack or something like that. Between bombardments, communicate verbally, because they can't hear you, but never point toward other people on the ground except for the enemy, because they can follow your gestures.

[RM918]

So far, it seems only Daily Beast, firedoglake and think progress have jumped on this. And Al Jazeera, of course.

And media-ite, now, though they are framing it as 'clearly just a horrible mistake' and re-iterating how wikileaks is a 'threat to national security'.

Horseshit. No-one would've ever known about this if it weren't for them, just the way the MSM and the government would love it. Imagine how many more atrocities, even worse than this, have slipped down the memory hole because the government deems it a 'threat to national security'? It makes me shudder to think.

[wizardwatson]

This is instructive. Never gather in groups of more than three while outside. Have a basement to hold meetings in. Never carry anything in your hands, but rather put it in a backpack or something like that. Between bombardments, communicate verbally, because they can't hear you, but never point toward other people on the ground except for the enemy, because they can follow your gestures.

Exactly.

The fact that the freedom movement, be it here in the US or anywhere else, should follow the Non-Aggression Principle I hope is a given. But we need to be aware, as this video clearly shows, the military power is about aggression, show of force, and intimidation. We need to have a strategy of "Non-contention" or "Non-engagement", not because of any "Ghandi-like" principle of "not defending ourselves" but simply because we have no hope of fighting against an adolescent in a helicopter gunship looking for any excuse to get his next adrenaline fix.

But yeah, you make good points.

No large groups. Nothing in your hands. And absolute condemnation of any "call to arms" from anyone inside the movement. You would have thought that we'd learned by now that the FBI infiltrates small-government groups with the very purpose of spurring and egging on violence.

We don't need violence to destroy this cabal. They have already destroyed themselves. We simply need to spread information and education and focus on agorist strategies to strengthen ourselves.

[Reason]

YouTube - WikiLeaks releases secret video of journalists, civilians killed in Baghdad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9xSHcFreY)

[lester1/2jr]

well okay, it looked like one of the guys in the group had an RPG. Aren't you supposed to kill that guy?

[RM918]

well okay, it looked like one of the guys in the group had an RPG. Aren't you supposed to kill that guy?

It was a camera.

[lester1/2jr]

well obviously THEY should be able to tell the difference

[RM918]

well obviously THEY should be able to tell the difference

That excuses everything. 'Whoops! Sorry about that! Won't happen again, not like we haven't said that before. Good thing we covered it up!'.

[driege]

It was a camera.

My impression was that there was an RPG in addition to the photographer with the camera. Was the entire group all civilians?

[pcosmar]

well okay, it looked like one of the guys in the group had an RPG. Aren't you supposed to kill that guy?


And what of the UNARMED folks assisting a wounded man? Or the children in the van?

I examined it from the Tactical view of a defender. There are lessons.

[lester1/2jr]

No I'm saying if the dude had an RPG it would be a different story.

[RM918]

My impression was that there was an RPG in addition to the photographer with the camera. Was the entire group all civilians?

All I'm hearing and seeing is that there was one guy with a gun, as he was a part of the reporter's security detail. People walking around armed is not uncommon there, so I hear.


No I'm saying if the dude had an RPG it would be a different story.

The full footage isn't there, and even so the latter half is horrific. The children were there because a guy taking his kids for tutoring saw what happened and tried to help the wounded, and you got that piece of shit begging for permission to fire on them. There was no aggression.

[pcosmar]

No I'm saying if the dude had an RPG it would be a different story.

So if one dude had an RPG shooting up children is OK?

Do you also understand that there are both Criminal elements and tribal conflicts in that area?
How do you know that he was not neighborhood watch/defender?

That's right, you don't.
Neither did those who "lit him up".

[Tenbatsu]

The initial conflict aside the group in the minivan were not engaging in hostile activities and were evacuating a wounded individual. At the least this is a violation of the Geneva Conventions and a documented war-crime.

I have many subjective feelings about the actions in this video but I am going to keep them to myself for the moment as my anger is blinding my reason.

[wizardwatson]

No I'm saying if the dude had an RPG it would be a different story.

Yeah, and if Saddam had WMD it would be a different story. And if the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident was real it would have been a different story.

[lester1/2jr]

I didn't see the second half with the kids, just the guy with what I thought was an RPG


guys for christs sake I'm not defending the thing I just asked if the guy had an RPG, save you venom for the people who did this!

[pcosmar]

I didn't see the second half with the kids, just the guy with what I thought was an RPG


guys for christs sake I'm not defending the thing I just asked if the guy had an RPG, save you venom for the people who did this!

You PAID for it.
So did I.
I have a right to be angry.

[Vessol]

I didn't see the second half with the kids, just the guy with what I thought was an RPG


guys for christs sake I'm not defending the thing I just asked if the guy had an RPG, save you venom for the people who did this!

You can see the kids in a van. And I didn't see any RPG, all I saw was a guy with a camera and then a guy with a cellphone in business casual running away and being gunned down.

Considering how much wikileaks checks the stuff it puts out, I've no doubt this is real.

[lester1/2jr]

but not at me!!

[Danke]

So what if some people had weapons. Do they automatically get the death sentence?

Aren't we the foreigners there running around with weapons?

I sure hope someday I don't have to worry about an invading army (Chinese, etc) shooting me in my neighborhood for open carrying.

[wizardwatson]

I didn't see the second half with the kids, just the guy with what I thought was an RPG


guys for christs sake I'm not defending the thing I just asked if the guy had an RPG, save you venom for the people who did this!

I just think its offensive that you or anyone is viewing the situation from a "were the soldiers following the proper rules of engagement" standpoint. Its the situation itself, in the context of an illegal war that is appalling, not whether Joe Six-pack away from any real danger inside his bulletproof helicopter gunship, getting high on killing is legally justified as per the "Rules of Engagement".

[pcosmar]

So what if some people had weapons. Do they automatically get the death sentence?

Aren't we the foreigners there running around with weapons?

I sure hope someday I don't have to worry about an invading army (Chinese, etc) shooting me in my neighborhood for open carrying.

Nope, It will be these same guys. They may have blue helmets though.

[RM918]

but not at me!!

Yeah, we know. But people are going to get touchy.

[Free Moral Agent]

Truly abhorrent. This video is a must-watch for all Americans. Hats off to WikiLeaks for remaining professional and enduring the US govs scrutiny.

[Bruno]

Sent it to Drudge, not that they will probably publish it, but they won't be able to claim ignorance.

Others feel free to do the same.

[amy31416]

Sent it to Drudge, not that they will probably publish it, but they won't be able to claim ignorance.

Others feel free to do the same.

Did that earlier, nothing there yet.

[Old Ducker]

sent to presstv.ir

[Vessol]

I wonder if Beck will cover this :rolleyes:

[Agorism]

I considered voting for Obama out of disgust.

I'm glad I didn't get talked into that idea after watching that.

[Elle]

I considered voting for Obama out of disgust.

I'm glad I didn't get talked into that idea after watching that.

This happened in July of 2007. Bush was the head idiot in charge then.

[Vessol]

This happened in July of 2007. Bush was the head idiot in charge then.

And Obama is only continuing it and keeping it covered up.

[Elle]

And Obama is only continuing it and keeping it covered up.

The Chosen One would never do such a thing!! :p

Same puppet, different mask.

[Agorism]

In the part of the video where they come back to pick up dead people, there may have been an RPG seen in the left van window right before they shoot.

I think they were going to fire anyway, but that will get them out of any excuse since that would give them cause.

[amy31416]

I'm having a hard time believing that those guys really thought that the camera was this:

http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/Taliban-armed-with-rocket-propelled-grenade-launchers-patrol-outside-Swat-valley-near-Buner-district-Militants-are-attempting-to-extend-their-influence-in-Pakistan.jpg

[Agorism]

What do you think that part of the video was>?

What this video
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/05/video-collateral-murder-or-the-risks-of-war-zones

9:30 in this video

[pcosmar]

What do you think that part of the video was>?

The people in the van were transporting schoolchildren. They stopped to help the wounded Journalist.
They were NON-Combatants.

Rule of Law=you don't fire on aid workers.
:mad:

[Agorism]

"The people in te van were transporting schoolchildren. T"
Where u see this from?

Even so if that was an RPG, the even that doesn't matter.

[Old Ducker]

The guys in that helo were clearly lying. I could see one AK and perhaps there was a second, but the radioman claimed there were half a dozen or more. I notice they never bothered to even look for the "rpg" that one claimed to have seen. Shooting clearly unarmed people who were simply helping a wounded man was criminal.

It's eerily close to being a scene out of Apocalypse Now.

[RoamZero]

So has this made any impact in the mainstream press? NYT? CNN?

[pcosmar]

So has this made any impact in the mainstream press? NYT? CNN?

BBC has a story on it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8603938.stm


"The people in te van were transporting schoolchildren. T"
Where u see this from?

Even so if that was an RPG, the even that doesn't matter.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/WikiLeaks-Video--Collate-by-Michael-Collins-100405-883.html

After the attack on the people gathered, the tape went on to show a van stopping to rescue Saeed Chmagh, the photojournalist assistant. People are seen loading Chmagh into the van. Recent investigation in Baghdad by WikiLeaks and their Icelandic media partners confirmed that the van was driven by the father of two taking his children to tutoring. The children were in the front seat and seriously injured. US military personnel arrived in an armed carrier and sent the children to an Iraqi hospital. Photojournalist Noor-Eldeen is seen run over by an armored personnel carrier. He and Chmagh both died in the incident.

[pcosmar]

Another picked it up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack

[RM918]

What do you think that part of the video was>?

What this video
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/05/video-collateral-murder-or-the-risks-of-war-zones

9:30 in this video

The thread there is disgusting. How can we ever hope to get through to people like that?

[pcosmar]

The thread there is disgusting. How can we ever hope to get through to people like that?

Just like the responses to the (fabricated) militia story. We are truly in for some dark times.

[TonySutton]

The thread there is disgusting. How can we ever hope to get through to people like that?

Got to put the shoe on the other foot.

Try putting up a fake new article detailing how some other country did the same thing in a mid sized US city and see how they react. Then remind them of the original story.

These people rally around a movie like Red Dawn. They need to understand that this is Red Dawn in real life over in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Vessol]

To the people claiming there was an RPG. Why the hell would a bunch of "insurgents" be walking around calmly while a Apache helecopter circles them from above, especially the guy with the RPG who would have been able to fire it if he was indeed an "insurgent".

A good quote
"The behaviour of the pilots is like a computer game. When Saeed is crawling, clearly unable to do anything, their response is: come on buddy, we want to kill you, just pick up a weapon ... It appears to be a desire to get a higher score, or a higher number of kills."

[teacherone]

this looks like a drone video right?

[Vessol]

this looks like a drone video right?

This was shot from an Apache helicopter circling around them.

[pcosmar]

this looks like a drone video right?

:confused:
Except for the pilots conversation.
It is Gun Sight video from an Apache Helicopter.

[dwdollar]

To the people claiming there was an RPG. Why the hell would a bunch of "insurgents" be walking around calmly while a Apache helecopter circles them from above, especially the guy with the RPG who would have been able to fire it if he was indeed an "insurgent".

BINGO!

Personally, if I had 2 Apaches circling me I wouldn't stand around period. Regardless of whether I had a weapon or not. However, to some, it would probably bring a false sense of security.



...

[wizardwatson]

BINGO!

Personally, if I had 2 Apaches circling me I wouldn't stand around period. Regardless of whether I had a weapon or not. However, to some, it would probably bring a false sense of security.



...

Double BINGO!! They stood there because they thought that helicopter was on their side.

[Bruno]

Huffington Post has it up, but still nothing on Reuters, the employer of two of the men who were murdered. Disgraceful.

[Baptist]

Can't support the troops and be against the war. This video is a perfect example of why.

[wizardwatson]

Can't support the troops and be against the war. This video is a perfect example of why.

Sure you can. I support the troops to the degree that they refuse to participate in illegal activities and kill innocent people.

There is a proper attitude, and code of honor that a soldier should possess. But there is no honor in this debacle. All people involved in this activity should be court-martialed and charged with murder.

Unfortunately the military has become another "good ole boys" club and in most places is devoid of even the remnants of honor.

It's funny everyone was making fun of the movie Avatar and how the military people were painted as bloodthirsty criminals looking for their next kill.

Guess James Cameron was onto something.

[european]

In the netherlands, some newsagencies are reporting it. But some of the main sites that had it on their frontpage, removed it within 2 hours to page 6 at the bottom, in the "what else happened in other countries" section. This for sure for the biggest news website. I'm flabbergasted really about this behaviour of our freedom loving newsagencies.

Also some other threads that are anti-government just dissapeared. Im getting a bit frustrated and i cant believe they are censorring it. But I have no other explenation for it.

I'm gonna vote with my money and send some to wikileaks. :D

[specialkornflake]

Shooting up the van in the middle of the rescue is the worst part. Only a philosophy of Total War could be used to try and justify it.

[teacherone]

nvm

[TheState]

It's now one of the top stories at www.news.yahoo.com

[Chieppa1]

It's now one of the top stories at www.news.yahoo.com

And have you read the comments? WOW

"thanks Edwin C. i put my life on the line and came home to a bunch of protesting, rock-throwing-want-to-be-communists. we protect their right, because they will not do it themselves. SEMPER FI"

"Hey, Jerk, these same soldier are the reason you can post such a statement. When in combat you kill everything that moves in a threatening manner. If you dont you are dead. Grow up. Try being a man instaed of a whiner."

I'm sorry to anyone on here who is a vet. I'm 23 and it sucks that most of the military members I know within my age group are FUCKING IDIOTS. They really believe that they are "ridding the world of oppression and tyranny". Mindless.

Heli. vs civilians. "Threatening manner". These dudes act like its a fucking video game.

[pcosmar]

And have you read the comments? WOW

"thanks Edwin C. i put my life on the line and came home to a bunch of protesting, rock-throwing-want-to-be-communists. we protect their right, because they will not do it themselves. SEMPER FI"

"Hey, Jerk, these same soldier are the reason you can post such a statement. When in combat you kill everything that moves in a threatening manner. If you dont you are dead. Grow up. Try being a man instaed of a whiner."

I'm sorry to anyone on here who is a vet. I'm 23 and it sucks that most of the military members I know within my age group are FUCKING IDIOTS. They really believe that they are "ridding the world of oppression and tyranny". Mindless.

Heli. vs civilians. "Threatening manner". These dudes act like its a fucking video game.

No offense taken. I am disgusted by this. This goes against the way I was trained and taught.
Class of 75.
You don't fire on civilians and aid workers.

[eOs]

Those idiots mistook RPGS and Ak47's need to be tried for murder. The protocol for shooting on enemy combatants is frightening.

Wikileaks.org isn't loading, and neither is collateralmurder.com. Looks like a DDOS?

[fatjohn]

F'ing laughing about deceased getting run over by tanks. Not cool.

[wizardwatson]

"thanks Edwin C. i put my life on the line and came home to a bunch of protesting, rock-throwing-want-to-be-communists. we protect their right, because they will not do it themselves. SEMPER FI"

"Hey, Jerk, these same soldier are the reason you can post such a statement. When in combat you kill everything that moves in a threatening manner. If you dont you are dead. Grow up. Try being a man instaed of a whiner."

Typical fucking jarhead responses. I was in the military. I was in bayonet training, "WHAT MAKES THE GREEN GRASS GROW!!!...BLOOD...BLOOD...BRIGHT RED BLOOD!!!" I participated when we were told to chant "I want to kill somebody..." in a sinister tone along with all our fellow soldiers.

Fuck all you fucking military morons who keep parroting "I put my life on the line for your rights! How dare you you spit on me!" You are all lying sacks of shit. You joined the same reason everyone else did, because you needed a fucking job or you got a signing bonus, or you wanted Uncle Sam to pay for college.

Stop rationalizing your own guilt.

There are exceptions of course, but anyone who says the kind of shit these dumb asses are saying ain't it.

[Chieppa1]

Typical fucking jarhead responses. I was in the military. I was in bayonet training, "WHAT MAKES THE GREEN GRASS GROW!!!...BLOOD...BLOOD...BRIGHT RED BLOOD!!!" I participated when we were told to chant "I want to kill somebody..." in a sinister tone along with all our fellow soldiers.

Fuck all you fucking military morons who keep parroting "I put my life on the line for your rights! How dare you you spit on me!" You are all lying sacks of shit. You joined the same reason everyone else did, because you needed a fucking job or you got a signing bonus, or you wanted Uncle Sam to pay for college.

Stop rationalizing your own guilt.

There are exceptions of course, but anyone who says the kind of shit these dumb asses are saying ain't it.

P.S. NONE of my friends understand the whole "oath" thing that I scream at them. :rolleyes:

[wizardwatson]

P.S. NONE of my friends understand the whole "oath" thing that I scream at them. :rolleyes:

The problem with the oath is that its double edged. On one hand you're required to "defend the Constitution" on the other hand your agreeing to "obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me". There's no "escape clause" for disobeying orders that are unconstitutional but there damn well should be.

[MN Patriot]

This video is being mentioned on news sites big and small. Now wait and see what the response will be from the public.

[wizardwatson]

Here is a background piece on the story (one year after) from Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL05399965

Don't know if anyone posted.

[Chieppa1]

The problem with the oath is that its double edged. On one hand you're required to "defend the Constitution" on the other hand your agreeing to "obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me". There's no "escape clause" for disobeying orders that are unconstitutional but there damn well should be.

I totally understand. And if the media covered these types of events fairly, then the public could actually see what these "orders" are. And maybe, any soldiers that defied orders might get some public support. Now, nothing.

I'm most likely being ignorant since I have no military experience. I just know I'd be in jail right now if I had joined up.

[wizardwatson]

CNN picked it up. I was searching on "Namir Noor-Eldeen" to find it. Don't know how "web accessible" it is.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/04/05/iraq.photographers.killed/

I'm trying to look at other stuff these journalists wrote. You never know what the whole story of this thing is.

Were they deliberately targeted? Why isn't Reuters posting another story? What intelligence led this strike? Who gave the order?

EDIT: Update: it's linked on the home page, though no graphic as of this posting.

[Pericles]

The problem with the oath is that its double edged. On one hand you're required to "defend the Constitution" on the other hand your agreeing to "obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me". There's no "escape clause" for disobeying orders that are unconstitutional but there damn well should be.

My oath was to obey the lawful orders of the President ......

Maybe they changed it since I was in .........

I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.

Under the terms of my commission:

The President of the United States of America To all who shall see these presents, greeting: Know Ye, that reposing special trust and confidence in the patriotism, valor, fidelity and abilities of .................., I do appoint ["him" or "her"] a ["Second Lieutenant" or "Ensign'] in the [name of service] to rank as such from the .... day of ........ ...... This Officer will therefore carefully and diligently discharge the duties of the office to which appointed by doing and performing all manner of things thereunto belonging. And I do strictly charge and require those Officers and other personnel of lesser rank to render such obedience as is due an officer of this grade and position. And this Officer is to observe and follow such orders and directives, from time to time, as may be given by me, or the future President of the United States of America, or other Superior Officers acting in accordance with the laws of the United States of America. This commission is to continue in force during the pleasure of the President of the United States of America for the time being, under the provisions of those Public Laws relating to Officers of the Armed Forces of the United States of America and the component thereof in which this appointment is made. Done at the City of Washington, this .... day of ........ in the year of our Lord ................ and of the Independence of the United States of America the .......... By the President:

[wizardwatson]

The CNN piece is awfully apologetic. Not surprising I guess.

[chudrockz]

Bump because people need to see this. I only watched the first minute or so a couple hours ago. I'll watch the rest when my stomach returns to being settled. Maybe tomorrow.

Seriously, anyone who can watch this with anything other than complete, unmitigated revulsion is lacking something essential, either in the mind or soul, or both.

[RM918]

The CNN piece is awfully apologetic. Not surprising I guess.

Isn't it horseshit? They're claiming the journalists were embedded with 'insurgents', wasn't that just their security detail?

[phill4paul]

bumped and spread.

Under my facebook it reads.

"Well your flag decal won't get ya into heaven anymore. It's already over crowded from your dirty little wars. Now Jesus don't like killin' no matter what the reason is for. And your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore." John Prine

video html

This video is directed at all my liberal/dem friends. It's YOUR dirty little war now."

Am I pissed off at the vid. You betcha! Have I not believed that an incident like this, and hundreds more that will never come to light, haven't played out in this piece of shit fascist expansion/aggression "engagement. Yep. Knew it all along. However, most Americans would rather dwell on the next American Idol.:mad:

[wizardwatson]

The CNN piece is awfully apologetic. Not surprising I guess.

Oh, and no mention of the two children seriously wounded in this disaster either. Also not surprising.

Apparently all the good journalists get gunned down, or get their heads chopped off by "terrorists", how convenient.

[malkusm]

bumped and spread.

Under my facebook it reads.

"Well your flag decal won't get ya into heaven anymore. It's already over crowded from your dirty little wars. Now Jesus don't like killin' no matter what the reason is for. And your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore." John Prine

video html

This video is directed at all my liberal/dem friends. It's YOUR dirty little war now."

Am I pissed off at the vid. You betcha! Have I not believed that an incident like this, and hundreds more that will never come to light, haven't played out in this piece of shit fascist expansion/aggression "engagement. Yep. Knew it all along. However, most Americans would rather dwell on the next American Idol.:mad:

That quote is fantastic, thanks for sharing.

[Vessol]

Isn't it horseshit? They're claiming the journalists were embedded with 'insurgents', wasn't that just their security detail?

Ah yes. Those insurgents who seem so confident in themselves that they walk down the road casually with a few weapons, chatting, talking on phones while an apache visibly hovers around them.

[phill4paul]

bump

[pcosmar]

Bump because people need to see this. I only watched the first minute or so a couple hours ago. I'll watch the rest when my stomach returns to being settled. Maybe tomorrow.

Seriously, anyone who can watch this with anything other than complete, unmitigated revulsion is lacking something essential, either in the mind or soul, or both.

Aw, Man.
Amen.
Best Post.!
:(

[winston_blade]

Wow, this really bugged me and not many things do.

[phill4paul]

Wow, this really bugged me and not many things do.

Good. That is what I hope this video will do for EVERYONE that I know because it has now been linked to everyone that I know.

This has been going on for 7 YEARS. This is not the first FUBAR that has landed on the heads of innocent civilians. It is, however, the best video of unmitigated malfeasance.

If ya know any lib/dem fence setters show it to them. It is their war now. There is no way they can deny it with a sitting prez and a stacked house.

Show them how they have been sold down the river just like ex-republicans like me have come to understand.

[QueenB4Liberty]

God, that was horrific. I agree the "soldiers" who did this should be tried for murder. Sick. I would guess this happens pretty regularly, too.

[Rael]

This video is directed at all my liberal/dem friends. It's YOUR dirty little war now."[/I]



This.

Obama has been in office over a year, he said he would begin pulling out of Iraq immediately. He lied.

Obama is about to enter the shit tornado to Oz. Once this spreads around to the anti war hippies who voted for him, I think it will really hit home that Obama is a warmonger like Bush, and they won't be able to deny it anymore. The fact that it happened in 2007 does not matter. The war is still on going and the Pentagon under Obama was still trying to cover it up.

The key here is to spread the word around while letting the liberals save face. We can get alot of support for Ron Paul and the libertarian movement from the liberals, but we have to allow them to save face...don't say "I told you so" directly but make sure they get the information, if their ego is not at stake they will come to their conclusion on their own.

[tropicangela]

The key here is to spread the word around while letting the liberals save face. We can get alot of support for Ron Paul and the libertarian movement from the liberals, but we have to allow them to save face...don't say "I told you so" directly but make sure they get the information, if their ego is not at stake they will come to their conclusion on their own.

i totally agree.

[Andrew-Austin]

The key here is to spread the word around while letting the liberals save face. We can get alot of support for Ron Paul and the libertarian movement from the liberals, but we have to allow them to save face...don't say "I told you so" directly but make sure they get the information, if their ego is not at stake they will come to their conclusion on their own.

That sounds way too nice.

[Rael]

That sounds way too nice.

It depends on what you are trying to do.

If you want to win someone to your way of thinking, it's best not to hurt their ego.

On the other hand, if you are playing to an audience and want to make someone look dumb in order to convince others, it's perfectly ok to make them look like an idiot.

[phill4paul]

It depends on what you are trying to do.

If you want to win someone to your way of thinking, it's best not to hurt their ego.

On the other hand, if you are playing to an audience and want to make someone look dumb in order to convince others, it's perfectly ok to make them look like an idiot.

Shame is something that worked in my generation. Maybe it is a lost concept these days. I don't use the "rub it in your nose" approach much myself. Just the I've been hornswaggled and it is time you realize you have also approach.

[t0rnado]

Over the past few years, the internet has desensitized me. I don't have a problem looking at shock sites or 2Girls1Cup type of crap. This video, however, made my blood boil. I had to stop watching it for a short period of time.

This is truly sickening stuff and the worst part about it is that I doubt anyone will do anything about it. There might be a protest here or there, but that's not enough. Those cowards deserve to rot in prison.

[phill4paul]

This is truly sickening stuff and the worst part about it is that I doubt anyone will do anything about it.

Que tomorrows lead story in 3,2,1.

[Baptist]

As somebody pointed out already, you know that this type of stuff happens all the time.

[Bruno]

Que tomorrows lead story in 3,2,1.

Are Drudge and Fox going to touch it? Or maybe after enough coverage elsewhere they will have to? Msnbc has covered, and Cnn has without showing the video.

[phill4paul]

Are Drudge and Fox going to touch it? Or maybe after enough coverage elsewhere they will have to? Msnbc has covered, and Cnn has without showing the video.

Don't know but thanks for the reminder. Putting it to Drudge now.;)

[tpreitzel]

WikiLeaks has done a service for our country. Illegal? Yes, but then nearly everything our government does is illegal as well. We need to reign in our government. War is hell, but let's expose war for the hell it is instead of glamorizing it from the safety of a cockpit.

Tragic ... Major Cummings, a low-hanging fruit, will likely pay for a tragedy that surely reaches much, much further up the chain-of-command.

[dwdollar]

The best part is all the high ranking officers who played it down as nothing.

If I may use my favorite Office Space quote...

"Thumbs up their a****. Thumbs up their a****..."



...

[Bruno]

Don't know but thanks for the reminder. Putting it to Drudge now.;)

I've sent them two links since this morning. The more the merrier. At least they can't claim ignorance.

[Baptist]

In a free and open society we should be able to see everything that goes on in my opinion. So this should not be illegal if it is.

[RM918]

They're already setting it up as, 'Well, that's war! They made a mistake! Pay no mind to the fact we lied and covered it up. Nope.' There's absolutely no outrage, just excuses. The MSM is surprisingly forgiving to the state, while they'll show unbelievable outrage when a man lets his kid talk down a couple airliners with supervision.

[TheState]

"Help wikileaks investigate video of Afghan massacre"


There is more. Sources have also given WikiLeaks an encrypted military video from a May 2009 attack in western Afghanistan which killed over 100 civilians, including many women and children, though bombs. The U.S. Military has said it would release the video, but it has not.

http://spot.us/pitches/396-help-wikileaks-release-classified-u-s-military-footage-of-massive-civilian-deaths

[Bruno]

Should these threads be merged?

[Baptist]

Should these threads be merged?

Heh, that is what I was thinking. I vote merge the other thread into this one, considering this one was here first.

[pcosmar]

Heh, that is what I was thinking. I vote merge the other thread into this one, considering this one was here first.

The other covers the video itself and reactions to it.
This one has been Media coverage, or the lack thereof.

[pcosmar]

Originally Posted by chudrockz
Bump because people need to see this. I only watched the first minute or so a couple hours ago. I'll watch the rest when my stomach returns to being settled. Maybe tomorrow.

Seriously, anyone who can watch this with anything other than complete, unmitigated revulsion is lacking something essential, either in the mind or soul, or both.
+1776
Still the best post.

[wizardwatson]

+1776
Still the best post.

Good post, no doubt.

This video is a good litmus test for learning where people are at in their worldview.

Everytime I read a post/reply/chat where someone pops off about, "well the soldier probably thought..." or "war is hell.." or "it's kill or be killed..." or anything along those lines, I just think to myself, "Man, there's a proper reaction to this video, but that ain't it."

One of those things where you see a side of someone and all you can take from it is, well, "good to know" I guess.

[Endgame]

+1776
Still the best post.

Show this to some of your conservative friends and family. Their reaction will be very informative.

[DAFTEK]

Show this to some of your conservative friends and family. Their reaction will be very informative.

And the Obama bots.... :rolleyes:

YouTube - Obama's PROMISE To End The Iraq War - Oct. 27, 2007 - "You Can Take That To The Bank" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZvWilRn0L8)

[Don't Tread on Mike]

My impression was that there was an RPG in addition to the photographer with the camera. Was the entire group all civilians?

that was a tripod stand for the camera. the entire group were journalists.

[Baptist]

Great new expo on Wikileaks.

YouTube - Wikileaks - Iceland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCmjmDXp7TI)

[libertybrewcity]

wow, this guy might get 50 to 70 years? jesus, that is one serious crime. he should escape to iceland!



If convicted of all charges, he could face a prison sentence of between 50 to 70 years, according to army spokesman Lt Col Eric Bloom.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10529110.stm

[CryLibertyOrDeath]

I don't know, it kind of looks like an RPG was being loaded to me from 3:50-4:00. There's two guys on the far side of the street and one of them has a long thick tube, that appears to be the general form of an RPG.