Coulter speech canceled after protesters’ threats

[Juan McCain]

A protest by hundreds of students led organizers to cancel a Tuesday night speech by American conservative commentator Ann Coulter . . .
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36013193/ns/world_news-americas/

"It would be physically dangerous for Ann Coulter to proceed with this event," said conservative political activist Ezra Levant inside the hall.

Monday . . .
The event in London went without incident, but not without controversy.

When answering questions from students, Coulter told a 17-year-old Muslim student to "take a camel" instead of the flying carpet she
has previously suggested Muslims use for transportation. Coulter later told CTV that the "camel" remark was a joke.

[specialK]

I will be surprised if she is let in the country again. Spewers of hatred such as Ann Coulter have no business coming to Canada and exporting their brand of verbal violence. She can keep her hatred at home. Unfortunately, the border guards who let her in probably had no idea who she was was. They will next time. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Ann.

[JenaS62]

They invited her. Did they not know who she was or what she was about?

[specialK]

They invited her. Did they not know who she was or what she was about?

They can invite the ghost of Hitler to speak, but he can't expect to have the welcome mat rolled out.

Whomever "invited" her clearly underestimated the tolerance level of Canadian students for hatred.

[angelatc]

I swear she is so funny - she cracks me up. Right before this happened, she got a letter from the Dean at the school, telling her that the freedoms we enjoy in AMerica aren't the same in Canada, so she would need to be careful about what she said.

She called the letter "Hate Speech" and filed a complaint with the Canadian government. :)

[angelatc]

Whomever "invited" her clearly underestimated the tolerance level of Canadian students for hatred.

Irony.

[JenaS62]

They can invite the ghost of Hitler to speak, but he can't expect to have the welcome mat rolled out.

Whomever "invited" her clearly underestimated the tolerance level of Canadian students for hatred.


But why invite someone like Coulter and then complain about it? :confused:

[angelatc]

But why invite someone like Coulter and then complain about it? :confused:

They need attention. Heavens forbid they just ignore her.

[specialK]

Irony.

It's their campus. More power to them.

[JenaS62]

It's their campus. More power to them.


I'm glad I live in the United States. For now anyway.

[angelatc]

It's their campus. More power to them.

How socialist! They didn't pay for the campus.

[specialK]

I'm glad I live in the United States. For now anyway.

Funny, I say that about Canada everyday. Just one of the cultural and political differences that would make a North American Union implausible. Vive le diference.

[FrankRep]

Ann Coulter's free speech or freedom of speech is being stifled by Ottawa, Canada which is typically done by human rights commissions and called hate speech. by Selwyn Duke


Ann Coulter, Hate Speech and Human Rights Commissions (http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/6128-ann-coulter-hate-speech-and-human-rights-commissions)


Selwyn Duke | John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
24 March 2010


The conservative firebrand tries to hoist the speech-stifling left on its own human-rights petards.

Most of us probably remember that standard elementary-school threat, “I’m gonna tell!” which meant that an appeal to authority for redress was in the offing. The one issuing it was sometimes a tattletale, but, regardless, since children aren’t fully-formed beings, their lives often have to be micromanaged. They don’t enjoy the freedom of adulthood.

And when citizens are in the habit of “telling” on each other, it means they don’t, either. Such a situation is often associated with tyrannies such as Nazi Germany, where people had to watch their tongues around others (even their own children), lest they get a visit from the Gestapo.

Sadly, however, this situation is becoming ever more common today. Many people behave as if the right to not be offended is enshrined in the Constitution and that, when their feelings are hurt, they can petition the nanny state for redress.

I had someone “tell” on me in Ontario, Canada, some years ago. I was giving a speech at a school symposium, and something I said irked a Muslim student. After he told the administration he was “offended,” two or three school officials approached me to address the matter. They were nice enough, and I didn’t alter my presentation when I had to render the same speech a second time, but the incident spoke volumes. Here was a student, nigh on adulthood, conditioned to think that the authorities could be used to stifle expression he disliked. And, just for the record, “disliked” is the key word. In reality, very few people who claim umbrage are actually offended by your words.

They just don’t happen to like what you’re saying.

Herein lies the value of what I’ve dubbed (http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/the_offensiveness_of_taking_of.html) The Offensiveness Ploy: If you say, in essence, that you hate the other person’s opinion, you brand yourself as the intolerant one, as the hater. But if you accuse him of offensiveness, ah, now you can turn the tables and make him seem like the hater. And you don’t have to waste brainpower on pesky things such as trying to prove why his opinion is actually wrong or quell ego power and admit that he may actually be right.

Speaking of the right, pundit Ann Coulter is learning that the Canadian Thought Police are now cutting to the chase and admonishing speakers against offensiveness before they even utter a word. She’s on a three-city speaking tour in the Great White North, and her first stop is the University of Ottawa. Before even taking the podium, however, she received a letter from the university’s Vice-president of Academic Affairs and Provost François Houle that appears to be a thinly veiled threat. It reads (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2710037), in part:



We have a great respect for freedom of expression in Canada, as well as on our campus, and view it as a fundamental freedom . . . .

I would, however, like to inform you, or perhaps remind you, that our domestic laws, both provincial and federal, delineate freedom of expression (or "free speech") in a manner that is somewhat different than the approach taken in the United States. I therefore encourage you to educate yourself, if need be, as to what is acceptable in Canada and to do so before your planned visit here.

You will realize that Canadian law puts reasonable limits on the freedom of expression. For example, promoting hatred against any identifiable group would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges. Outside of the criminal realm, Canadian defamation laws also limit freedom of expression and may differ somewhat from those to which you are accustomed.


First, let’s be clear: Limited speech is not free speech. China, North Korea and Iran also have what they consider “reasonable” limits on speech; they also allow “free speech” within certain boundaries. But it’s much like saying you will allow freedom of movement within a certain cage. In fact, a couple of the countries I mentioned outshine Canada in respect: They’re not so hypocritical. If you want to enforce a certain dogma, be honest about it — drop the pretense of “free speech.”

As for Coulter, she responded in her usual inimitable fashion.

She’s filing a hate-speech complaint against the university with a human rights commission.

Explaining her reasoning in an email to the Ottawa Citizen (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Host+draws+firebrand+Coulter/2713913/story.html), she wrote:



Now that the provost has instructed me on the criminal speech laws he apparently believes I have a proclivity (to break), despite knowing nothing about my speech, I see that he is guilty of promoting hatred against an identifiable group: conservatives.

. . . The provost simply believes and is publicizing his belief that conservatives are more likely to commit hate crimes in their speeches. Not only does this promote hatred against conservatives, but it promotes violence against conservatives.


In part, Coulter is basing her complaint on the well-founded suspicion that only conservative speakers might receive such a warning.

It’s quite predictable that the Canadian Thought Police won’t rule in the columnist’s favor, and this action will make the point that hate-speech laws are a sham. They don’t exist to protect “identifiable” groups, just politically favored ones; they don’t punish what evokes hate, just the opinions the politically correct hate. But this is fairly obvious, and there’s something else I’d like to address here.

When Canadian journalist Ezra Levant republished the Danish Mohammed cartoons, he was compelled (http://bit.ly/d8eU6h) to answer charges of inciting hatred in front of the Alberta Human Rights Commission. When the Canadian Islamic Congress accused (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_complaints_against_Maclean%27s_magazi ne) Maclean’s magazine in 2007 of publishing “Islamophobic” articles, they filed complaints with the Canadian Human Rights Commission, the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal and the Ontario Human Rights Commission. After Canadian Hugh Owens took out a newspaper ad criticizing homosexuality, the Saskatchewan Human Rights Board of Inquiry fined him (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31080) $4500. And, just recently, Joseph Evers of the Encyclopedia Dramatica was sent a letter (http://www.blog.encyclopediadramatica.com/?p=84) by the Australian Human Rights Commission accusing him of racial discrimination over an article about aboriginals published at his site. Given that it’s a jailable offense, his attorney has told him he must never set foot on Australian soil again.

Now, what do all these examples have in common? Stupidity? Double standards? Sure, but something else also: The speech-stifling bureaucracies are always “human rights commissions,” although the name can vary slightly. And there is an important reason why I mention this.

They exist in the United States as well.

Most every state (if not all) has one, even conservative bastions such as Utah, Oklahoma, Texas and Alabama. Moreover, many if not most counties have them as well, as they have metastasized like an aggressive cancer.

Of course, they’re not persecuting people for unfashionable opinions — yet. But once our courts conjure up a pretext for hate-speech laws (see my piece (http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/11/how_we_will_lose_our_freedom_o.html), “How We Will Lose Our Freedom of Speech”), all bets are off. The mechanism for tyranny will already be in place.

Good governors should stop at nothing to eliminate their states’ human rights commissions. Doing so would be the difference between merely being “conservative” — which means defending our leftist status quo — and effecting change we can really believe in.


SOURCE:
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/6128-ann-coulter-hate-speech-and-human-rights-commissions

[angelatc]

I'm glad I live in the United States. For now anyway.

The left does the same thing here. It's ok to have a Marxist on campus preaching socialism, but the conservatives have been physically attacked several times.

[angelatc]

Funny, I say that about Canada everyday. Just one of the cultural and political differences that would make a North American Union implausible. Vive le diference.

As in, we still haven't had our spines removed by the government's thought police? Did they take your testicles too?

[JenaS62]

The left does the same thing here. It's ok to have a Marxist on campus preaching socialism, but the conservatives have been physically attacked several times.



Right you are. I forget what the last instance was, but I sort of rememeber a similar incident at a typically progressive university.

[silentshout]

I don't see why people can't just ignore someone they disagree with. It's a sad commentary on the state of this world IMO.

[angelatc]

Right you are. I forget what the last instance was, but I sort of rememeber a similar incident at a typically progressive university.

One was an immigration proponent, maybe Gilchrist, and one may have been Tom Tancredo. I forget, too.

Apparently we should send them all to Canada.

[specialK]

I don't see why people can't just ignore someone they disagree with. It's a sad commentary on the state of this world IMO.

Because many in the world view agressive Americans as "invasive," not only in terms of foreign policy, but also in terms of export of ideas. If Ann Coulter was Canadian, she would would have been out of business long ago, because people would ignore her. By the way, most Canadians love Ron Paul (who know who he is) for the same reason. He is everything she is not.

[Libertini]

The same thing happened in my university in Chicago. A student got up in the middle of class and told everybody to protest Ann Coulter speaking at the university. I remember thinking, if you don't like her, just don't go, don't ruin it for the people that want to hear her talk.

For those that say more power to the students, uhh, somebody had to actually invite her to speak. What right do students, that aren't interested in hearing her speak, have to cancel a speech that other students want to hear. Damn, leftists. I don't even complain when a liberal speaker is invited to our school. I just don't go.

[Libertini]

Because many in the world view agressive Americans as "invasive," not only in terms of foreign policy, but also in terms of export of ideas. If Ann Coulter was Canadian, she would would have been out of business long ago, because people would ignore her. By the way, most Canadians love Ron Paul (who know who he is) for the same reason. He is everything she is not.

So the students at the university that wanted to hear her speak, shouldn't be allowed to? Viva democracy, where if a majority don't like her, she gets banned from speaking anywhere in Canada.

[specialK]

So the students at the university that wanted to hear her speak, shouldn't be allowed to? Viva democracy, where if a majority don't like her, she gets banned from speaking anywhere in Canada.

She was not banned from speaking. Ann Coulter canceled. She will be heading to Calgary tomorrow - a notoriously conservative city who may not detest her quite as much.

[Freedom 4 all]

I actually go to Ottawa U and experienced this shitshow firsthand. The student federation didn't let her advertise, although some unauthorized pro and anti Coulter ads showed up Tuesday morning. One anti-Coulter ad read (I swear I'm not making this shit up) "We value free speech at Ottawa U, ban Coulter from Campus." Granted the banner included some vile quote from Coulter about how she hates the first amendment but still hillarious. I haven't much sympathy for Coulter but even less for leftist censorship of "hate speech."

I went out of curiosity but left early as I knew there was no way I was getting in without having registered. However, I have to say the aftermath of this event is really quite positive. Quite a few people I know, even people who hate Ann Coulter, are starting to get interested in freedom of expression.

[Travlyr]

I will be surprised if she is let in the country again. Spewers of hatred such as Ann Coulter have no business coming to Canada and exporting their brand of verbal violence. She can keep her hatred at home. Unfortunately, the border guards who let her in probably had no idea who she was was. They will next time. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Ann.

Wow. No room for free speech in your genes, heh?

[specialK]

Wow. No room for free speech in your genes, heh?

For foreigners wanting to profit from hatred in my country? None whatsoever.

Tell ya what. Why don't you invite Ahmadinejad to USA to talk about wiping Israel off the map? Let me know how that works out for you.

[JenaS62]

One anti-Coulter ad read (I swear I'm not making this shit up) "We value free speech at Ottawa U, ban Coulter from Campus."



Now that is priceless. So really they only welcome free speech for those that they agree with. How progressive. :rolleyes:

[specialK]

Now that is priceless. So really they only welcome free speech for those that they agree with. How progressive. :rolleyes:

Why don't you invite Ahmadinejad to USA to talk about wiping Israel off the map? Let me know how that works out for you.

[Libertini]

For foreigners wanting to profit from hatred in my country - none whatsoever.

In other words, don't ever say anything that might be even remotely considered offensive in Canada.

SpecialK will be the sole judge on what can be considered hate speech.

[JenaS62]

Why don't you invite Ahmadinejad to USA to talk about wiping Israel off the map? Let me know how that works out for you.


I'm pretty sure Amadinnerjacket already came and spoke at a US university - in fact it was when he claimed that Iran has no homosexuals.


**edit - yep he did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/25/iran.usa

[angelatc]

She was not banned from speaking. Ann Coulter canceled. She will be heading to Calgary tomorrow - a notoriously conservative city who may not detest her quite as much.

I don't think she canceled. I thought the University canceled it.

ETA
An angry mob and skittish police shut down a speech she was to
give at the University of Ottawa.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2821184/ann_coulter_canada_speech_cancelled.html?cat=9

specialK knows only who it is ok to openly hate?

[angelatc]

Why don't you invite Ahmadinejad to USA to talk about wiping Israel off the map? Let me know how that works out for you.

He was already here, Einstein.

[Travlyr]

For foreigners wanting to profit from hatred in my country? None whatsoever.

Tell ya what. Why don't you invite Ahmadinejad to USA to talk about wiping Israel off the map? Let me know how that works out for you.

I'm glad that I don't live in your world. :cool:

[Light]

specialk is the text book example of liberal tolerance. They tolerate everything except for people who have different view points. If they don't, they get death threats. Got to love the left's double standard.

[catdd]

I bet those were rabid, pro Israel liberals protesting her.

[FrankRep]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/speech+cancelled/2718883/story.html

U of O speech cancelled
Security fears force organizers to stop arch-conservative event


http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/2718884.bin?size=620x400

[Libertini]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/speech+cancelled/2718883/story.html

U of O speech cancelled
Security fears force organizers to stop arch-conservative event


http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/2718884.bin?size=620x400

Can't tell if the black one is a guy or girl.

[bruce leeroy]

I like coulter ok......she makes some good points from time to time
But I have a suspicion that she is a snorthead

[catdd]

So while their hero is killing hundreds of innocent civilians (including babies) in the never ending search for enemy combatants, they go apeshit over Coulter's "hatred".
Looney tunes.

[Freedom 4 all]

I don't think she canceled. I thought the University canceled it.


Nah he's actually right, her bodyguard made the call when he saw the sea of protestors. However, one of the university heads wrote her a letter essentially telling her to watch what she says or it might be considered a hate crime seeing as this is Canada not America.

[silentshout]

Because many in the world view agressive Americans as "invasive," not only in terms of foreign policy, but also in terms of export of ideas. If Ann Coulter was Canadian, she would would have been out of business long ago, because people would ignore her. By the way, most Canadians love Ron Paul (who know who he is) for the same reason. He is everything she is not.

Sure, but still....I don't like her, either. I just don't read her books or watch/listen to her speak.

[Freedom 4 all]

So while their hero is killing hundreds of innocent civilians (including babies) in the never ending search for enemy combatants, they go apeshit over Coulter's "hatred".
Looney tunes.

If you're referring to Obama, the average response around here has gone from "OMG HE'S TEH AWESOMEZ" to "meh, he's better than Bush but he's just another business as usual whore." Canadian liberals where I come from stopped sucking off Obama a long time ago.

[Juan McCain]

Nah he's actually right, her bodyguard made the call when he saw the sea of protestors. However, one of the university heads wrote her a letter essentially telling her to watch what she says or it might be considered a hate crime seeing as this is Canada not America.

the letter from the University was suggesting she couldn't speak her rhetoric . . . clam up - or risk prosecution or going to jail ?

She would have posted bail . . . and then it would have been a really big time story.

[puppetmaster]

so while their hero is killing hundreds of innocent civilians (including babies) in the never ending search for enemy combatants, they go apeshit over coulter's "hatred".
Looney tunes.

qft

[catdd]

If you're referring to Obama, the average response around here has gone from "OMG HE'S TEH AWESOMEZ" to "meh, he's better than Bush but he's just another business as usual whore." Canadian liberals where I come from stopped sucking off Obama a long time ago.

So why aren't they protesting his war? Would they react this way if he came to town?
Which is worse - something she said or something he is currently doing? Conservative bombs are not worse than Liberal bombs.
Or maybe they think Liberal bombs explode in a more politically correct way?

[speciallyblend]

the idea ann was threatened so she cancelled is a publicity stunt in itself. ann is the female version of beck. i have no respect for ann coulter she is full of bs!!

YouTube - Outkast - Roses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAPACD8_Zzw)

[specsaregood]

The left does the same thing here. It's ok to have a Marxist on campus preaching socialism, but the conservatives have been physically attacked several times.

Ron Paul draws large friendly crowds on campuses here. So, perhaps it is just her flavor of "conservatism" that the students are rejecting. Ya know, the "conservatism" mixed with a blood thirsty desire to kill muslims, target constitutionalists and control what people do in their private lives?

[Depressed Liberator]

Fuck Coulter.

[Cdn_for_liberty]

Because many in the world view agressive Americans as "invasive," not only in terms of foreign policy, but also in terms of export of ideas. If Ann Coulter was Canadian, she would would have been out of business long ago, because people would ignore her. By the way, most Canadians love Ron Paul (who know who he is) for the same reason. He is everything she is not.

i disagree

Canadians are generally liberals and they usually don't like any conservatives, regardless if you are a neo-conservative or a strick fiscal conservative like Ron Paul.

Recently, Prime Minister Stephen Harper made a proposal to make cuts on the public sector and the far left compared our conservatives to American neo-conservatives, which is funny cause we all know that neo-conservatives will never cut government spending or the size of government. Of course, most Canadians would listen to the far left talking points and demonize conserservatives even if conservatives are just doing their job (being fiscal conservatives, not social conservatives). It's been going on for many years.

[speciallyblend]

Ron Paul draws large friendly crowds on campuses here. So, perhaps it is just her flavor of "conservatism" that the students are rejecting. Ya know, the "conservatism" mixed with a blood thirsty desire to kill muslims, target constitutionalists and control what people do in their private lives?

ann coultler is no friend to liberty,freedom or conservative values! republicans need to wake the f' up!! ann coulter is beck with a whig! nothing more!

ann coulter is a neo-con drug addict!

[angelatc]

Ron Paul draws large friendly crowds on campuses here. So, perhaps it is just her flavor of "conservatism" that the students are rejecting. Ya know, the "conservatism" mixed with a blood thirsty desire to kill muslims, target constitutionalists and control what people do in their private lives?

That might make sense if they hadn't started hating her long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

She's actually said some nice things about Ron Paul.

[angelatc]

ann coultler is no friend to liberty,freedom or conservative values! republicans need to wake the f' up!! ann coulter is beck with a whig! nothing more!

ann coulter is a neo-con drug addict!

Says the guy running on the Legalize Pot ticket?

[catdd]

ann coultler is no friend to liberty,freedom or conservative values! republicans need to wake the f' up!! ann coulter is beck with a whig! nothing more!

ann coulter is a neo-con drug addict!

But I'm trying to get to the bottom of this.
These are anti conservative protesters and her "hatred" has nothing to do with why they have gone apeshit. Unless it has something to do with her Jewish comment, I can't imagine why they hate her so much.... or at least PRETEND to.

[angelatc]

But I'm trying to get to the bottom of this.

Apparently in SB's world, neocon's aren't entitled to free speech rights? I'm baffled.

[speciallyblend]

Says the guy running on the Legalize Pot ticket?

yeah its called individual liberty and smaller government, something the gop is against!

the gop is not for smaller government and marijuana prohibition is a prime example that the gop is not for smaller government or individual liberty!!

once again ann coulter is not a conservative! a true conservative would end marijuana prohibition.
This coming from a guy who will remove republicans from office if they do not listen to a 72% voter base;)

[speciallyblend]

Apparently in SB's world, neocon's aren't entitled to free speech rights? I'm baffled.

i said she is full of shit. i haven't stopped her from saying her bs or saying she couldn't . gret real angela. i didnt say she couldn't say her bs. i just said she is full of bs!!

[catdd]

It's not so much important at this time how we define what a conservative is - it's more important what the protesters think. They think she is a conservative!

[speciallyblend]

Apparently in SB's world, neocon's aren't entitled to free speech rights? I'm baffled.

where did i say she couldn't talk her shit?? really??

[speciallyblend]

It's not so much important at this time how we define what a conservative is - it's more important what the protesters think. They think she is a conservative!

cat they relate ann to beck and rush and all the neo-cons. they relate them to war-mongering big gov neo-con republicans and they are correct!!
chalk one up for the neo-cons brainwashing folks

[catdd]

"chalk one up for the neo-cons brainwashing folks"

Explain to the folks what you mean by that.

[jmdrake]

Apparently in SB's world, neocon's aren't entitled to free speech rights? I'm baffled.

She has a right to free speech and the students have a right to protest and if you don't like it when Obama comes to campus you have a right to protest him to. If the administration didn't allow Ann to come that would be one thing. Otherwise this is silly.

[Travlyr]

yeah its called individual liberty and smaller government, something the gop is against!

the gop is not for smaller government and marijuana prohibition is a prime example that the gop is not for smaller government or individual liberty!!

once again ann coulter is not a conservative! a true conservative would end marijuana prohibition.
This coming from a guy who will remove republicans from office if they do not listen to a 72% voter base;)

The GOP has always said, "We are for limited government, individual freedom and constitutional principals"... please believe us... we need the votes. And we will kick the shit out of Iran.

[jmdrake]

That might make sense if they hadn't started hating her long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

She's actually said some nice things about Ron Paul.

Recently yes. In 2008 no. Lot's of folks from Glenn Beck to Sarah Palin are saying nice things about the Pauls right now and they all want something. Just saying.

[catdd]

She has a right to free speech and the students have a right to protest and if you don't like it when Obama comes to campus you have a right to protest him to. If the administration didn't allow Ann to come that would be one thing. Otherwise this is silly.

Their right doesn't explain the hysteria which is what I'm trying to understand.

[speciallyblend]

Their right doesn't explain the hysteria which is what I'm trying to understand.

they didn't throw snowballs and ann could of given her speech. ann is using this as a publicity stunt nothing more

[jmdrake]

So while their hero is killing hundreds of innocent civilians (including babies) in the never ending search for enemy combatants, they go apeshit over Coulter's "hatred".
Looney tunes.

Well it's kind of like how Republicans didn't go ape over Bush's prescription drug benefit and probably wouldn't be having nearly as much of a fit if a president Romney were pushing a healthcare mandate about now. And while Obama isn't ending the wars he's about to say (tomorrow I think) that gays can go and die and that's important to many of these people.

[catdd]

they didn't throw snowballs and ann could of given her speech. ann is using this as a publicity stunt nothing more

It was called off because it was too dangerous and you think she did this as a publicity stunt?
Did she pay them to go bizerk?

[catdd]

Well it's kind of like how Republicans didn't go ape over Bush's prescription drug benefit and probably wouldn't be having nearly as much of a fit if a president Romney were pushing a healthcare mandate about now. And while Obama isn't ending the wars he's about to say (tomorrow I think) that gays can go and die and that's important to many of these people.

Yeah, but they don't have a right to protest if they are not granting someone the right to speak.
It's not a one-way street.

[speciallyblend]

It was called off because it was too dangerous and you think she did this as a publicity stunt?
Did she pay them to go bizerk?

dangerous?? they were protesting not dropping bombs?? i find that absurd!!!

so now if people protest. they call off speaking engagements??

[specialK]

specialk is the text book example of liberal tolerance. They tolerate everything except for people who have different view points. If they don't, they get death threats. Got to love the left's double standard.

Part of freedom of speech in Canada is the ability to protest that which you feel is wrong. I am sorry Ann Coulter didn't like the Canadian brand of freedom of speech that allows Canadians to voice collective opinions about her.

Death threats? Who? Where? That is a crime in Canada which it should be.

By the way, I don't classify myself as a liberal. I can see why Obama was elected. The masses are so easily manipulated by the media. Chalk one up for Ann Coulter.

[speciallyblend]

the only person that denied ann a speaking venue was Ezra Levant!!

where is proof of a threat, this article says ezra levant advised her not to speak!! i read the article and only see talk of protesters...

ann coulter making a mtn out of a mole. this is ann coulter trying to make media cover herself!!! typical neo-con bs!!

[catdd]

dangerous?? they were protesting not dropping bombs?? i find that absurd!!!

so now if people protest. they call off speaking engagements??

I guess it depends on the level of hysteria and the anger being generated by the protesters.
You don't always have to wait until someone throws a punch to know one is coming.

[Cdn_for_liberty]

Some lady for some Torontonian entertainment magazine goes on Fox news and talks about this issue

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[specsaregood]

That might make sense if they hadn't started hating her long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

She's actually said some nice things about Ron Paul.

I think you missed my point, let me restate.
You said:

The left does the same thing here. It's ok to have a Marxist on campus preaching socialism, but the conservatives have been physically attacked several times.
Since Dr. Paul does not get physically attacked, draw large protests or run off AND the philosophy he promotes and governs by is about the complete opposite of marxism or socialism, then clearly being a promoter of marxism or socialism is not required and being a "conservative" is not the common denominator to draw "leftist" protests.

It must be something else.... So what can it be? In what other ways does Coulter differ from Dr. Paul? Figure that out and you'll probably be onto something.

[Erazmus]

http://fromtheleft.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/coulter.jpg

[speciallyblend]

I guess it depends on the level of hysteria and the anger being generated by the protesters.
You don't always have to wait until someone throws a punch to know one is coming.

i hear you,but to say there were death threats and not one shred of proof has been shown. i think ann coulter is just crying wolf and trying to make media buzz about nothing! she could of spoke. they had security and if there were viable threats then arrests and charges would of been brought up or simple proof! i think ann is blowing smoke! the neo-cons have to create stories.

just my opinion. anyone can write a letter even a neo-con actiling like a liberal!

[catdd]

This is from FOX so take it for what it's worth.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/24/protest-cancels-coulter-speech-ottawa/?test=latestnews

[angelatc]

where did i say she couldn't talk her shit?? really??

Why are we in this thread? We were talking about Canadian University brats having a tantrum over some things Coulter said. You seem to be doing pretty much the same thing, now that I think about it.

[angelatc]

It must be something else.... So what can it be? In what other ways does Coulter differ from Dr. Paul? Figure that out and you'll probably be onto something.

Maybe her first book contains a clue. I'll give you a hint - it has "Clinton" in the title.
She makes a living pointing out the hypocrisy of liberalism, calling the players out by name.

Paul rarely discusses personalities, instead preferring to discuss policy.

[angelatc]

just my opinion. anyone can write a letter even a neo-con actiling like a liberal!

She's actually not a neo-con. She's holds to a hawkish foreign policy, but she has never been on board with the open borders, Medicare expanding crap the neocons put forth.

[speciallyblend]

actually i was talking about ann coulter and her neo-cons ways(hawkish), your the one that decided i was denying ann speech rights when her adviser stopped her not me!!

she is nothing more then beck in a whig to me!! she should be calling out conservatives not liberals,but ann coulter is no conservative..

she is not small government!! she talks a good game like beck,but doesn't follow smaller government or individual liberty and she is a neo-con based on her foreign policy and bigger gov gop policies!!

[specialK]

she is nothing more then beck in a whig to me!!

You really may be on to something there. How many women do you know with an adam's apple like this one? Not that there's anything wrong with it ;-)


YouTube - You the Man, Ann? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYBofCcS-I)

[angelatc]

You really may be on to something there. How many women do you know with an adam's apple like this one? Not that there's anything wrong with it ;-)


YouTube - You the Man, Ann? (http://www.youtube.comjpYBofCcS-I)

Gotta love the education that today's youth gets. Why settle for discussing an issue when you can settle for attacking someone's physical appearance, especially when it's something they have absolutely no control over?

[catdd]

So it looks like a Liberal can kill people and still be ok but a conservative might be killed for politically incorrect speech.
This is Liberal politics 101. This is what it's come to.

[angelatc]

she is not small government!!

Actually, she is. Not as small as you, maybe not as small as me, but definitely smaller than the neocon wet dream version. She's definitely not on board with the "compassionate conservative" bullshit that Bush spoon fed his people.

[speciallyblend]

Gotta love the education that today's youth gets. Why settle for discussing an issue when you can settle for attacking someone's physical appearance, especially when it's something they have absolutely no control over?

well i was more comparing ann to beck with the whig comment. i careless about ann coulters adam apple or her sexual preference! i can understand why your frustrated with folks talking about her adam apple. but i did want you to know i was just comparing ann to beck with the whig comment not saying anything more! so you know;)

[low preference guy]

Ann Coulter is for abolishing the CIA.

But she doesn't emphasize that because she's always busy supporting the wars.

[ClayTrainor]

Coulter basically behaves like an internet troll. Says things to generate controversy and attention. The students protesting and screaming are playing right into her hands and giving her millions of dollars worth of free press. She's built her entire career playing this game, and she's a pro at it.

If they just let her speak, and then let her leave quietly, no one would've hardly even known she was there. Coulter got the best reaction she could've possibly hoped for.

[specialK]

Gotta love the education that today's youth gets. Why settle for discussing an issue when you can settle for attacking someone's physical appearance, especially when it's something they have absolutely no control over?

You missed the point. There she is attacking gays when she appears to be a transgender person. I honestly do not believe she is female.

[speciallyblend]

Actually, she is. Not as small as you, maybe not as small as me, but definitely smaller than the neocon wet dream version. She's definitely not on board with the "compassionate conservative" bullshit that Bush spoon fed his people.

i understand what your saying i do. maybe ann coulter will change for the better but for now my trust level with her is about the same as beck. hopefully she changes her tune a lil more.

the gop and these talking heads have brought everything they are complaining about on themselves. they pretend to be republicans and conservatives!! hopefully they change or to be honest they will only alienate themselves!!

[speciallyblend]

You missed the point. There she is attacking gays when she appears to be a transgender person. I honestly do not believe she is female.

i don't go that far. i find ann coulter to be an entertainer nothing more!!

[speciallyblend]

Coulter basically behaves like an internet troll. Says things to generate controversy and attention. The students protesting and screaming are playing right into her hands and giving her millions of dollars worth of free press. She's built her entire career playing this game, and she's a pro at it.

If they just let her speak, and then let her leave quietly, no one would've hardly even known she was there. Coulter got the best reaction she could've possibly hoped for.

that is what i have been saying. she only cancelled to make it a story. if their were viable threats then they would of surfaced!! her adviser told her to cancel and make a non-story a story!!!

[specialK]

i don't go that far. i find ann coulter to be an entertainer nothing more!!

Speaking for myself. I've never met a woman with a larnyx that size.

[catdd]

Speaking for myself. I've never met a woman with a larnyx that size.

You want to get off that? It's like you're trying to chew the cover of the book while everyone is trying to read it.
All you have to do is a simple WIKI search to see she is a female.
You don't write for the Enquirer do you?

[ClayTrainor]

that is what i have been saying. she only cancelled to make it a story. if their were viable threats then they would of surfaced!! her adviser told her to cancel and make a non-story a story!!!

Yup. She has made a very successful career out of simply trolling the ignorant masses for controversial media stories. She'll say just about anything to piss off just about anyone, and sometimes i find it kind of funny. It's funny how stupid people are for buying into such obvious trolling, and taking it so personally. If only they realized how much they were helping her out. I'm guessing she makes big big $$$, as she generates headlines quite often.

Her opinion means less than nothing. She's simply there to stir shit up.

[awake]

Why does Ann Coulter feel the need to speak at a government controlled re-education camp? Could she not find a non governmental venue where people would pay to listen to her?

[specialK]

You want to get off that?


How quickly your blessed freedom of speech is tossed out the window. :)

[specsaregood]

Maybe her first book contains a clue. I'll give you a hint - it has "Clinton" in the title.
She makes a living pointing out the hypocrisy of liberalism, calling the players out by name.


So there we go. It has nothing to do with political ideology, which is what you implied was the case by saying marxists have no problem speaking on campus but conservatives do. It has everything to do with her being a partisan hack that plays the personality game and draws ire by personally attacking those on the "left". Since that is the case, she most likely welcomes these "attacks" and protest and controversy. It'll simply help her sell more books.

[catdd]

How quickly your blessed freedom of speech is tossed out the window. :)

Have fun, I'm pretty much done with this thread anyway.

[Libertini]

YouTube - Ann Coulter Got What She Deserved? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuhz43FwEsA&feature=player_embedded#at=267)

[speciallyblend]

Have fun, I'm pretty much done with this thread anyway.

the bottom line is there was no reason for ann to cancel. she only did it to make a non-story a story!! hell if this is how we can shut up the gop establishment.

then i am all for protesting if neo-cons cancel when protests are done.

Let us Protest and make all the gop establishments leaders cancel speaking engagements!! there were no threats if there was they would of surfaced.

ann coulter made this a story no one else!!

[catdd]

Funny, you sound just like that liberal defending their actions in the video.
"She was there to provoke them so they gave her the heave ho." We have to guard against hating a certain type of entity known as a neocon so bad that we actually become liberals ourselves. Same as we have to guard against defending their rights to the point of becoming one.
WE have to walk the middle path and getting to the bottom of this was my intention.
I am assured that I have.

[jmdrake]

Yeah, but they don't have a right to protest if they are not granting someone the right to speak.
It's not a one-way street.

Unless someone actually did something illegal like physically attack Ann Coulter or directly threaten her life they have not denied her a right to speak. She can't just be a drama queen, claim "I feel threatened" and then that means her right to speak has been violated. I haven't seen any evidence presented yet of any illegal activities by the protesters. If that's put forward I'll change my assessment.

[jmdrake]

Actually, she is. Not as small as you, maybe not as small as me, but definitely smaller than the neocon wet dream version. She's definitely not on board with the "compassionate conservative" bullshit that Bush spoon fed his people.

Is she for abolishing the department of homeland security? That's bare minimum if you actually believe in small government.

[catdd]

Unless someone actually did something illegal like physically attack Ann Coulter or directly threaten her life they have not denied her a right to speak. She can't just be a drama queen, claim "I feel threatened" and then that means her right to speak has been violated. I haven't seen any evidence presented yet of any illegal activities by the protesters. If that's put forward I'll change my assessment.

The police stopped the event not her.

[speciallyblend]

Unless someone actually did something illegal like physically attack Ann Coulter or directly threaten her life they have not denied her a right to speak. She can't just be a drama queen, claim "I feel threatened" and then that means her right to speak has been violated. I haven't seen any evidence presented yet of any illegal activities by the protesters. If that's put forward I'll change my assessment.

hit the nail on the head jmdrake you usually do;)

[speciallyblend]

The police stopped the event not her.

thats not how i read the story!!

A spokesman for the organizers said Coulter was advised against appearing after about 2,000 "threatening"?????(you mean protesting) students crowded the entrance to Marion Hall, posing a security threat.

"It would be physically dangerous for Ann Coulter to proceed with this event," said conservative political activist Ezra Levant inside the hall.

this was ann decision and her advisers not the police. security was there. they could of gone on with speech and removed the protesters and taken them outside. that is how its done when protesters are inside any function..

[catdd]

Different reports are coming in on who actually stopped the event.

[speciallyblend]

Different reports are coming in on who actually stopped the event.

About 10 Ottawa police cars were called to the scene, but there were no incidents

the source is from ann coulter adviser and organizers themselves in the article i read and police were there with no incidents!!

straight from the organizers A spokesman for the organizers said Coulter was advised against appearing after about 2,000 "threatening" students crowded the entrance to Marion Hall, posing a security threat.

"It would be physically dangerous for Ann Coulter to proceed with this event," said conservative political activist Ezra Levant inside the hall.

not to mention that 10 ottawa police officers were there with no incidents!! except protesters!

sorry i am not buying the crap from ann coulter!! or her propaganda machines!!

[catdd]

About 10 Ottawa police cars were called to the scene, but there were no incidents

the source is from ann coulter adviser themselves in the article i read and police were there with no incidents!!

The video just said the "police stopped the event before it got started because of safety concerns."

[speciallyblend]

The video just said the "police stopped the event before it got started because of safety concerns."

well im going off the organizers and ann coulter adviser! we need to start protesting the gop establishment. then they can cancel their own bs!!

is there another police other then ottawa??

[catdd]

To be honest, the protesters in the vid didn't look violent.

[speciallyblend]

The video just said the "police stopped the event before it got started because of safety concerns."

well was that a fox person or the police saying that on video. that makes a huge difference if a fox person probably bs. is it the actual ottawa police saying it on video or just a fox joker!!?

i want to see a police chief for ottawa or a police officer on tape saying that in a press conference or on scene??

[jmdrake]

The police stopped the event not her.

Edit: I was going to ask about the source but I see you gave it later.

Let's assume your source is correct and the police stopped it. That still doesn't mean the protesters violated her rights. It means the police did. That is unless some of the protesters actually did something illegal. Imagine the shoe being on the other foot. Michael Moore comes to town to give a speech and thousands of angry tea partiers show up. None of them actually threaten him in any way, but the police advise him that the crowd looks "rowdy" and they can't "guarantee his safety" so he cancels. What would your reaction be?

[catdd]

Source? The article doesn't say the police stopped it. From the article:

A spokesman for the organizers said Coulter was advised against appearing after about 2,000 "threatening" students crowded the entrance to Marion Hall, posing a security threat.
.....
About 10 Ottawa police cars were called to the scene, but there were no incidents.

If the police did stop it that would be the "hecklers veto" which was the in the U.S. as interpreted by the Supreme Court until 2000.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler%27s_veto

Even in a "Heckler's veto" situation it's still technically the police denying the first amendment right. Imagine the shoe being on the other foot. Michael Moore is giving a speech and some Tea Party group hold's some protest across the street and "open carry Chris" shows up and Michael Moore decides to cancel. Maybe Chris doesn't even bring a gun, but Moore cancels because "That nutjob brought a gun to a rally when president Obama was speaking nearby so he could be capable of anything". Would that mean Michael Moore's free speech rights had been violated?

I just told him it was in the video just posted.

[angelatc]

Speaking for myself. I've never met a woman with a larnyx that size.

So because you don't go out of your basement very often, it's ok to make fun of a woman's most conspicuous flaw.

Real mature.

Maybe after you and yours win the battle for stomping out certain thoughts, you can start in on the battle for how women should look to make you happy, too. Then you can live in a beautiful Utopia where you never have to hear or see anything that upsets you.

[angelatc]

Different reports are coming in on who actually stopped the event.

I believe you may be right. :)

[speciallyblend]

does canada have any free speech zones??? gotta love the irony of free speech zones in america!!!
i was curious if anyone knew??

angelatc i hear you above;) personal note about me I LOVE WOMEN!!

so you know , i don't hate ann i just don't trust her like beck or hannity..

[speciallyblend]

I just told him it was in the video just posted.

i am at work videos will not load right here at work!!

[angelatc]

Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes, threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given, and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because that one was on my "bucket list").

Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown shirts.

http://townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2010/03/24/oh,_canada!

I am sorry, but I LOL'd. She's like Stephen Colbert, except she's serious where he's facetious.


Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me, "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges."


I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."

[jmdrake]

I just told him it was in the video just posted.

Yeah. I saw that and edited my post but apparently you were editing while I was editing. :D

Anyway, even if the police stopped it, unless the protesters were doing something illegal they did not violate her free speech rights. People throw the term "You violated my rights" around to the point where it's starting to lack meaning. If some of the claims Ann is making about posters promoting her speech being banned is true then the government of Canada violated her rights but not the protesters.

[catdd]

Well, they admitted that their goal was to make it impossible for her to speak. Reports are coming in that they were throwing seats, setting off fire alarms, and everything they could think of to make sure the event was canceled.
But I was more interested in why they reacted the way they did than what they did. Basically I was pointing out the irrationality of hate speech laws. She makes an off the wall comment about Jews and they go crazy but would they react the same if Netanyahu came to speak even though he is currently in the process of infringing farther into Palestinian land.
In short, I am wondering if some pro Israel lobby wasn't behind the scene.

[jmdrake]

Well, they admitted that their goal was to make it impossible for her to speak. Reports are coming in that they were throwing seats, setting off fire alarms, and everything they could think of to make sure the event was canceled.
But I was more interested in why they reacted the way they did than what they did.

Well setting off fire alarms would be a violation of the law and throwing seats may be so if they did that they went to far.

As for the motivation, Ann Coulter is well known for trashing gays and the LBGT groups are pretty active on most college campuses. She's not just your run of the mill "conservative". I doubt if Sarah Palin or Sean Hannity had show up to speak there would have been such a reaction.

[Light]

Well setting off fire alarms would be a violation of the law and throwing seats may be so if they did that they went to far.

As for the motivation, Ann Coulter is well known for trashing gays and the LBGT groups are pretty active on most college campuses. She's not just your run of the mill "conservative". I doubt if Sarah Palin or Sean Hannity had show up to speak there would have been such a reaction.

You would be surprised. Liberals ironically are more intolerant than the people that they label "intolerant" (because they don't even allow them the right to speak).

Here is an excellent article about this subject matter.

http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/left-right/first-they-came-for-ann-coulter/

[jmdrake]

You would be surprised. Liberals ironically are more intolerant than the people that they label "intolerant" (because they don't even allow them the right to speak).

Here is an excellent article about this subject matter.

http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/left-right/first-they-came-for-ann-coulter/

Again if all they did was protest then Ann was not denied the "right to speak". And some tea party protests have gotten rowdy. Ann Coulter sucks, but that's not the point. Do you want to give the government the right to mass arrest protesters just so that someone can feel comfortable speaking? Because that sounds like what you are advocating. Be careful. That can cut both ways.

[Light]

Again if all they did was protest then Ann was not denied the "right to speak". And some tea party protests have gotten rowdy. Ann Coulter sucks, but that's not the point. Do you want to give the government the right to mass arrest protesters just so that someone can feel comfortable speaking? Because that sounds like what you are advocating. Be careful. That can cut both ways.

"Bill Kristol, Pat Buchanan, David Horowitz and I have all been the targets of infamous campus attacks."

Are you going to say Pat Buchanan sucks? He is one of few people in the MSM that actually likes Ron Paul, and has praised him constantly in his collumns.

I have only seen the left do this. They simply think that some opinions don't deserve to be heard.

[jmdrake]

"Bill Kristol, Pat Buchanan, David Horowitz and I have all been the targets of infamous campus attacks."

Are you going to say Pat Buchanan sucks? He is one of few people in the MSM that actually likes Ron Paul, and has praised him constantly in his collumns.

I have only seen the left do this. They simply think that some opinions don't deserve to be heard.

Sometimes Pat Buchanan does suck, though on balance he's good. And if Pat Buchanan went around whining about how his "rights were violated" because of some protesters then he sucks. Bill Kristol and David Horowitz suck big time and its a shame we let the left do our job for us. We should have been protesting these sorry neocons! And if you think only the left does that then you haven't been paying attention. Maybe only the left does this on college campuses but the right has the tea parties (in some cases with people showing up with open carry firearms), and counter protests and now some nut cutting gas lines. (That last bit crosses the line because it violates the law). Each side protests the other and that's the way it should be. When Ron Paul won at CPAC some jerks booed. Wrong? Yes. Uncooth? Yes. Violation of rights? No. For a movement that prides itself on some people dressed up like Indians jumping on a boat and throwing tea overboard this whole teeth gnashing over Ann Coulter getting protested is just sad.

[Light]

lol I just think its ironic that people that preach "tolerance" are the most intolerant around. I have nothing against them hating other people's views, but do not call yourselves "tolerant".

[angelatc]

Yeah. I saw that and edited my post but apparently you were editing while I was editing. :D

Anyway, even if the police stopped it, unless the protesters were doing something illegal they did not violate her free speech rights.

She does not have the right to free speech in Canada. That's part of the issue.

[angelatc]

Well setting off fire alarms would be a violation of the law and throwing seats may be so if they did that they went to far.

As for the motivation, Ann Coulter is well known for trashing gays and the LBGT groups are pretty active on most college campuses. She's not just your run of the mill "conservative". I doubt if Sarah Palin or Sean Hannity had show up to speak there would have been such a reaction.

If you look at the pictures, it's the Muslims that are all fired up.

[jmdrake]

She does not have the right to free speech in Canada. That's part of the issue.

Well if the government has denied her rights then anger should be directed at the Canadian government. Blaming the protesters in general for suppressing her free speech, as opposed to those who may have actually done something illegal, plays into more suppression of free speech by the government.

[angelatc]

Well if the government has denied her rights then anger should be directed at the Canadian government. Blaming the protesters in general for suppressing her free speech, as opposed to those who may have actually done something illegal, plays into more suppression of free speech by the government.

No, you don't understand Canadian law. Any person who intimidates, or threatens to intimidate, another with a message of hate is guilty of breaking Canadian law. Therefore, the protesters intimidating her because they hate her are guilty of hate crimes.

She's using the attention to point out the absurdity of the law, partially because our overlords are beginning to pass such legislation here.

[jmdrake]

No, you don't understand Canadian law. Any person who intimidates, or threatens to intimidate, another with a message of hate is guilty of breaking Canadian law. Therefore, the protesters intimidating her because they hate her are guilty of hate crimes.

She's using the attention to point out the absurdity of the law, partially because our overlords are beginning to pass such legislation here.

So your saying some of the Tea Party protests would already be banned in Canada? Well that's different then.

[Erazmus]

http://newscoma.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/coulteralien.jpg

[angelatc]

http://newsma.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/coulteralien.jpg

Grow up.

[Erazmus]

Grow up.

HAHAHA! I didn't realize you were such a Coulter fan. A little levity now and then shouldn't hurt anyone.

[angelatc]

So your saying some of the Tea Party protests would already be banned in Canada? Well that's different then.

Step away from the bong. Your stream of consciousness is a tad fuzzy.

I don't know if the TEA Party protests would be banned, so no, I am not saying that.

I am saying that according to Canadian law, any person who intimidates, or threatens to intimidate, another with a message of hate is guilty of breaking Canadian law. Therefore, the protesters intimidating her because they hate her are guilty of hate crimes.

Again from her comments:
What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land of the Bed-Wetters.")

How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?

Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil?

I think they're rhetorical questions, by the way. You don't really need to answer them.

[angelatc]

HAHAHA! I didn't realize you were such a Coulter fan. A little levity now and then shouldn't hurt anyone.

I'm really not a Coulter fan, but we're discussing an international situation that Coulter happens to be involved in because of her conservative (albeit loudmouth ) views.

You added a tired, over used picture to the conversation that pointed out and insulted her hand. Thanks so much for that brilliant insight.

Is it Spring break?

[Erazmus]

I'm really not a Coulter fan, but we're discussing an international situation that Coulter happens to be involved in because of her conservative (albeit loudmouth ) views.

You added a tired, over used picture to the conversation that pointed out and insulted her hand. Thanks so much for that brilliant insight.

You're welcome.

[cajuncocoa]

You would be surprised. Liberals ironically are more intolerant than the people that they label "intolerant" (because they don't even allow them the right to speak).

Here is an excellent article about this subject matter.

http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/left-right/first-they-came-for-ann-coulter/

I'm no fan of Ann Coulter, but that is so true!!

Interesting that there is little comment about this incident in the MSM, but they remain singularly focused on the so-called "violence" and "racial slurs" of the Tea Party activists against the health care debacle. :rolleyes:

[jmdrake]

Step away from the bong. Your stream of consciousness is a tad fuzzy.


Chill! I'm (kind of) agreeing with you. No snide remarks needed.



I don't know if the TEA Party protests would be banned, so no, I am not saying that.


Some of the tea party protests clearly meet the line of seeking to intimidate the other side (the standard you mentioned). There are recent reports of posters with pictures of members of congress inside gun sights. While that could be taken one way (we'll vote you out in November) it could clearly be taken the other way. I'm sure if the Canadian protesters had such posters of Ann Coulter she's be complaining about that too.

As for Angela Davis speaking, I've heard other former Black Panthers speak and they were quite civil. Ann Coulter (by your own admission) is loudmouthed. She could have picked a better example like James Carville.

[angelatc]

Some of the tea party protests clearly meet the line of seeking to intimidate the other side (the standard you mentioned). There are recent reports of posters with pictures of members of congress inside gun sights. While that could be taken one way (we'll vote you out in November) it could clearly be taken the other way. I'm sure if the Canadian protesters had such posters of Ann Coulter she's be complaining about that too.

Why do you say that? Has she done such a thing in the past?

I never took her to be a complainer. She openly mocks people, which seems to make them insane.

As for the pictures featuring gun sights and nooses, I suspect it's just about time for the Reichstag to catch fire. I'm sure some of that stuff is coming from the fringe elements, but I'd bet that as much of it is coming from the left as it is the right. They're itching for a fight - they want it all, and they want it now.

[jmdrake]

Why do you say that? Has she done such a thing in the past?

I never took her to be a complainer. She openly mocks people, which seems to make them insane.


Come on! In this case she complained about anti Coulter posters being put up. Yes she made the complaint in the context of a claim (which she hasn't given evidence for) that pro Coulter posters were denied. I don't believe for one moment that if posters of her face as a target had been put up that she wouldn't have mentioned it. Maybe you're calling the complaints "mocking".



As for the pictures featuring gun sights and nooses, I suspect it's just about time for the Reichstag to catch fire. I'm sure some of that stuff is coming from the fringe elements, but I'd bet that as much of it is coming from the left as it is the right. They're itching for a fight - they want it all, and they want it now.

I wouldn't doubt it.

[Erazmus]

...they want it all, and they want it now.

I see what you've done there. Grow up! :p

[BlackTerrel]

A few points/questions:

1. I hate Coulter. But I believe she has a right to speak.

2. Coulter has a ton of supporters. Many people who agree with their views? How come they never go after the far leftists?

3. Will this lead to a form of blowback?

[BlackTerrel]

Why don't you invite Ahmadinejad to USA to talk about wiping Israel off the map? Let me know how that works out for you.

See how civilized:

YouTube - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Columbia University (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDsDQCfZQ-I)

[BlackTerrel]

Edit: I was going to ask about the source but I see you gave it later.

Let's assume your source is correct and the police stopped it. That still doesn't mean the protesters violated her rights. It means the police did. That is unless some of the protesters actually did something illegal. Imagine the shoe being on the other foot. Michael Moore comes to town to give a speech and thousands of angry tea partiers show up. None of them actually threaten him in any way, but the police advise him that the crowd looks "rowdy" and they can't "guarantee his safety" so he cancels. What would your reaction be?

That's a good analogy. I am sure Michael Moore has just as many haters (and fans) as Ann Coulter does.

So does what you described ever happen? Does Michael Moore draw crowds of 2,000 protesters when he shows up at certain venues or for the most part is he left alone and allowed to live and let live?

[jmdrake]

That's a good analogy. I am sure Michael Moore has just as many haters (and fans) as Ann Coulter does.

So does what you described ever happen? Does Michael Moore draw crowds of 2,000 protesters when he shows up at certain venues or for the most part is he left alone and allowed to live and let live?

I don't follow Michael Moore. But we all know about the time Obama was in Phoenix and there was a counter protest and one from our side showed up with an AR-15. I fully support his right to do that and I fully support the right of 2,000 anti Ann Coulter protesters to show up. As for "live and let live" Ann Coulter's still alive isn't she? The only point that's been made so far that makes sense is that Canada apparently doesn't allow these types of protests in general. There should be a level playing field.

[Pete_00]

Commies and hippies are no better than her i guess...

[BlackTerrel]

Well, they admitted that their goal was to make it impossible for her to speak. Reports are coming in that they were throwing seats, setting off fire alarms, and everything they could think of to make sure the event was canceled.
But I was more interested in why they reacted the way they did than what they did. Basically I was pointing out the irrationality of hate speech laws. She makes an off the wall comment about Jews and they go crazy but would they react the same if Netanyahu came to speak even though he is currently in the process of infringing farther into Palestinian land.
In short, I am wondering if some pro Israel lobby wasn't behind the scene.

I am sometimes amazed at the wide array of issues we can blame on Israel. It's a pretty impressive skill.

[libertarian4321]

You missed the point. There she is attacking gays when she appears to be a transgender person. I honestly do not believe she is female.

"She" must be a self-hating tranny. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

[catdd]

I am sometimes amazed at the wide array of issues we can blame on Israel. It's a pretty impressive skill.

Like it or not, agree or not, care or not - Hate Laws to include Hate Speech are the ADLs pet project. (http://www.prisonplanet.com/adl-applauds-itself-for-hate-bill-victory.html ). Even if they were not directly behind this (I think they were), they have served in causing the type of fanatical behavior shown by these protesters over some WORDS someone said. http://www.rense.com/general79/adk.htm
And if you deny that the ADL is pro Israel then I'll call you a pro Israel screw yourself. http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/313858,extra-pro-israel-group-us-criticism-of-israel-unprecedented.html

[BlackTerrel]

Like it or not, agree or not, care or not - Hate Laws to include Hate Speech are the ADLs pet project. (http://www.prisonplanet.com/adl-applauds-itself-for-hate-bill-victory.html ). Even if they were not directly behind this (I think they were), they have served in causing the type of fanatical behavior shown by these protesters over some WORDS someone said. http://www.rense.com/general79/adk.htm
And if you deny that the ADL is pro Israel then I'll call you a pro Israel screw yourself. http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/313858,extra-pro-israel-group-us-criticism-of-israel-unprecedented.html

So anytime someone is angry at someone else it is the Israel's lobby fault because they were once mad at someone?

As I said it's an impressive skill at RPF.

[Chieppa1]

She is speaking at my old school, Ramapo College of New Jersey...

...founded in 1969. Worst place for her to speak. A major percentage of the students have some knowledge of how things work..but they won't show up. It will be the young GOPers and "Tea Party"

[catdd]

So anytime someone is angry at someone else it is the Israel's lobby fault because they were once mad at someone?

As I said it's an impressive skill at RPF.

Awww poor wittle Israel lobby. Why don't you cry me a river?

YouTube - Joe Cocker Mad Dogs - Cry me a River 1970 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwXPueu-RM)

[BlackTerrel]

Awww poor wittle Israel lobby. Why don't you cry me a river?

The Israel lobby is doing just fine I'm not really worried about them.

I just think it's odd that any time any event happens anywhere in the world some people on RPF blame Israel. Coulter was protested by leftist university students in Canada who were disproportionately Muslim - yet somehow this was an Israeli lobby black op. I don't think it's healthy.

YouTube - Justin Timberlake - Cry Me A River (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0)

[angelatc]

So anytime someone is angry at someone else it is the Israel's lobby fault because they were once mad at someone?

As I said it's an impressive skill at RPF.

Especially considering that the crowd that was shouting in opposition to Coulter's speech contained a lot of Muslims still offended by a "magic carpet" joke that Coulter made a few years back.

[angelatc]

Come on! In this case she complained about anti Coulter posters being put up. Yes she made the complaint in the context of a claim (which she hasn't given evidence for) that pro Coulter posters were denied. I don't believe for one moment that if posters of her face as a target had been put up that she wouldn't have mentioned it. Maybe you're calling the complaints "mocking".



I wouldn't doubt it.

She didn't complain about that - she merely used it as an example of the double-standard she was mocking. There is no doubt that the students were not allowed to hang posters announcing her speech. The administrator of the University said the same thing - that they were not allowed to hang posters announcing her speech as per University policy. I was wrong - it was the President of the Student union, who has the authority to approve and reject the posters that people hang that refused to approve the posters announcing her appearance.

[catdd]

[QUOTE=BlackTerrel;2614560]The Israel lobby is doing just fine I'm not really worried about them.

"I just think it's odd that any time any event happens anywhere in the world some people on RPF blame Israel. Coulter was protested by leftist university students in Canada who were disproportionately Muslim - yet somehow this was an Israeli lobby black op. I don't think it's healthy."

Yeah, and I just explained that the hate speech laws are the ADLs pet project. They created that monster, it's practically Canada's version of the first amendment and you see the damage it causes. I think THAT is unhealthy!
I'd say more than anything this was the perfect opportunity to stage a show of force against an arrogant American Christian like Coulter.
Hate Speech law vs the First Amendment.

[Freedom 4 all]

UPDATE: Yesterday, neigbouring Carelton U (who went even further than U of O, preemptively banning Ann Coulter from the premises before she even asked to speak there) had a Chavezist?dude from Venezuela come in to speak. It had something to do with US imperialism and was probably interesting but it was actually hosted by the COMMUNIST PARTY OF CANADA. No one banned them from advertising, and there were little to no known protests. There is something severely wrong with this picture

[catdd]

Lefty doesn't much care if you gut someone like a fish and feed them their own asshole as long as :

A. you are not a white conservative
B. don't use hate speech against some minority while you do it.
C. you are a non smoker

[BlackTerrel]

UPDATE: Yesterday, neigbouring Carelton U (who went even further than U of O, preemptively banning Ann Coulter from the premises before she even asked to speak there) had a Chavezist?dude from Venezuela come in to speak. It had something to do with US imperialism and was probably interesting but it was actually hosted by the COMMUNIST PARTY OF CANADA. No one banned them from advertising, and there were little to no known protests. There is something severely wrong with this picture

That's what strikes me as odd about these stories. I dislike Coulter as well as the Commie dude but I understand that they both have fans and enemies. How come only one side always goes berserk and the other just lets it happen?