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Anti Federalist
03-22-2010, 09:22 PM
House approves bill to limit use of body scanners

Associated Press - March 18, 2010 5:04 PM ET
http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12165972

BOISE, Idaho (AP) - The House has approved a measure limiting the use of X-ray body scanners at security checkpoints in Idaho airports and government buildings.

Under the bill passed 58-9 Thursday, security officers could only operate the machines to scan people who have failed a prior security test, such as a metal detector.

Athol Republican Rep. Phil Hart's bill would also require the Idaho Department of Homeland Security to prove the scanners aren't detrimental to health before any machine is allowed to operate in the state. Some of the machines create detailed images of people, and Hart says his bill is ultimately about protecting privacy.

Boise Democrat Rep. Branden Durst cast 1 of the few 'nay' votes. He says the bill could hamper airport security's ability to protect against terrorist acts.

As many as 11 airports across the country are now using the machines.

Erazmus
03-22-2010, 09:26 PM
Nice. Idaho is looking like a very good state. I think they were the first to pass a bill against the national healthcare, and I also think they have a bill or passed one that will allow silver to be used to pay taxes in the state.

*edit* Here it is
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9EF81QO0.htm

Anti Federalist
03-22-2010, 09:38 PM
They are also working on a "Firearms Freedom Act".

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/nullification/firearms-freedom-act/

nullvalu
03-22-2010, 09:40 PM
hmm a new destination for the free state project?

Pepsi
03-23-2010, 02:42 AM
Yes lots of good bills are being pass, but they ARE also passing other bills that changes things, inorder to get more money from the Fed.

Bill restricting certain technologies in driver’s licenses clears House

In a move to pre-empt any invasive technology from being implanted or utilized for Idaho state driver’s licenses, Rep. Phil Hart, R-Athol, brought legislation before members of the House Transportation and Defense Committee Friday that would define exactly what the Idaho Transportation Department (ITD) can put in or on licenses – and what they cannot. On Monday, members of the Idaho House voted to approve Hart’s legislation and send it on to the Senate.

Hart said his bill is designed to make the driver’s license a “private document” in the sense that when it is in a carrier’s purse or pocket, the license is completely secure from those who might try to steal the information listed on it. His bill could prevent ITD from implanting Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chips into licenses, which, Hart believes, would leave personal information less susceptible to ID theft. Passports issued by the federal government contain the chips, as well as specialty ID cards issued to travelers who frequently cross the U.S. border with Canada. Proponents of the chips argue that they make travel easier and more efficient and aid in confirming identities at border crossings. Opponents of the chips argue that they are an invasion of privacy and can be easily read at a distance by criminals with the right equipment.

The bill would also limit what information could be put into the bar code on the backs of licenses. Currently, only the information listed on the front of the license – name, height, weight, etc. – can be found in the bar code. Hart’s legislation would keep it that way.

Three-dimensional images of citizens would also be forbidden by the bill. Hart said that new technology allows state departments to put three-dimensional images on licenses, though that technology has yet to come to Idaho. The legislation also contains an amendment that prohibits state officials from using one-to-many facial recognition software unless they have a warrant from the court to do so.

If, in the future, ITD decides to invest in one of the new technologies, either RFID chips or 3-D images, Idahoans wouldn’t be completely prevented from having them on or in their driver’s licenses. Hart’s plan allows those who want the technology the ability to opt-in if the department ever offers.

The bill also contains a lesser-discussed provision that removes full faith and credit from those applying for driver’s licenses after moving to Idaho from another state. That provisions means that those applying for new driver’s licenses in Idaho will have to prove their legal citizenship status before being approved by the state.

http://www.idahoreporter.com/2010/bill-restricting-certain-technologies-in-drivers-licenses-clears-house/

dwdollar
03-23-2010, 02:56 AM
Awesome. Glad to see Idaho grow some balls.

devil21
03-23-2010, 03:03 AM
Awesome. Glad to see Idaho grow some balls.

Looks like Phil Hart is leading the way in ID. He sponsored both bills! We need to know more about this man standing up for his rights in the gov't. Anybody got the scoop on him?

He also pushed a real immigration reform bill that failed recently, penalizing employers for hiring illegals:
http://www.idahoreporter.com/2010/harts-immigration-bill-fails-in-committee/

http://legislature.idaho.gov/house/membershipSingle.cfm?ID=26

I like this guy. If he keeps this up we may have our next up and comer in the Liberty movement...

Danke
03-23-2010, 06:14 AM
Looks like Phil Hart is leading the way in ID. He sponsored both bills! We need to know more about this man standing up for his rights in the gov't. Anybody got the scoop on him?


I think he is the same guy:

http://www.constitutionalincome.com/

devil21
03-23-2010, 07:48 PM
bump

I emailed Rep. Hart to thank him for standing up for the Constitutional rights of his constituents (and Americans everywhere really) and ask whether he has thought about higher office.

His personal email reply:

Hello devil21:

Thanks for your encouragement. These are difficult bills to promote in some cases. Because there is a mentality that our government is only trying to keep us safe. But I have more of the mentality of President Washington who said, "Government is like fire, it is a useful friend or a fearful enemy."

We need to be very careful anytime we give government more power or more money. And yeah, sometime I do want to pursue higher office. Maybe at the next election cycle in 2012 or 2014.

Sincerely, Rep. Phil Hart

I think we got a live one folks! Anybody else think we should look deeper into this fellow?

Stary Hickory
03-23-2010, 07:50 PM
Love this states rights and nullification trend it MUST continue. Washigntons influence will weaken more and more as the economy fades and ultimately they destroy our currency. When this happens states should already be ready to assume the mantle of governing their respective areas.

Pepsi
03-30-2010, 12:58 AM
The Idaho Senate approved legislation that would tell the federal government it couldn’t regulate firearms made entirely in Idaho. The plan heads back to the House for approval, due to several changes made by the Senate Monday. The plan’s original House sponsors said the legislation is modeled after similar laws in other states and intended to raise a constitutional challenge to the federal government’s oversight of business between states.

The Idaho Firearms Freedom Act is one of several plans approved by Idaho lawmakers pushing back against federal control. “We’ve given up, as citizens and states, a tremendous amount of freedom,” said Sen. Monty Pearce, R-New Plymouth. “This simply challenges the power of the federal government to regulate everything in the state of Idaho under the guise of interstate commerce.” Pearce also said the plan would be friendly to businesses that would want to manufacture guns in Idaho, though he only knew of one such business, a shotgun maker in Boise.

Boise Democratic Sen. Elliot Werk was one of seven senators opposing the act. He said he supports protecting gun rights under the Second Amendment, but that now isn’t the time to go down the path of initiating a lawsuit with the federal government. Werk also said he opposes the plan because it wouldn’t require background checks on guns made and sold in Idaho. “The idea that a person from another state could cross into our state after being forbidden from purchasing a weapon for very, very good reason … is very troubling indeed,” he said.

http://www.idahoreporter.com/2010/senate-approves-made-in-idaho-gun-law/

Pepsi
03-30-2010, 06:10 AM
I ask my State Senator and a few others to add an amendment to this that would prohibit minors from having to go throw the body scanners. Tobad this well have to wait untill next year since they adjourn.

Idaho Rep. Phil Hart Discusses HB573 Whole-Body Scanner Legislation on Alex Jones

YouTube - Idaho Rep. Phil Hart Discusses HB573 Whole-Body Scanner Legislation on Alex Jones Tv 1/2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rsGIQ22rLs)

Noob
07-06-2010, 04:56 AM
Looks like Phil Hart is leading the way in ID. He sponsored both bills! We need to know more about this man standing up for his rights in the gov't. Anybody got the scoop on him?

He also pushed a real immigration reform bill that failed recently, penalizing employers for hiring illegals:
http://www.idahoreporter.com/2010/harts-immigration-bill-fails-in-committee/

http://legislature.idaho.gov/house/membershipSingle.cfm?ID=26

I like this guy. If he keeps this up we may have our next up and comer in the Liberty movement...
They are now going after him for unpaid taxes I guest DHS does not like being told they cant use body scanners for that.

Ethics panel to take up Idaho lawmaker's tax case.

A legislative ethics committee is poised to begin its investigation into whether a state lawmaker who refuses to pay income taxes used his position to gain special treatment.

The committee appointed to look into Rep. Phil Hart's case will meet Tuesday.

The Athol Republican has picked a series of fights with state and federal tax collectors, arguing in court that income taxes are unconstitutional. The Internal Revenue Service has filed nearly $300,000 in tax liens against Hart, and state tax officials say he owes another $53,000 in state income taxes, interest and penalties.

Hart has acknowledged using his status as an elected state official to make the case for why he should be able to appeal an order to pay his state tax debt, despite missing the deadline.




http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/07/05/1256845/ethics-panel-to-take-up-idaho.html#ixzz0stm43PYZ

devil21
07-06-2010, 05:43 PM
^^^^
Figures. The attack dogs are ramping up lately against anyone that doesn't fall in line with the agenda.

On the good side, he may have the opportunity to strike a serious blow for the anti-tax and "Show Me The Law" movement if he can win. He's got my support!

Deborah K
07-06-2010, 05:45 PM
I think he is the same guy:

http://www.constitutionalincome.com/

Yes it's the same guy. Phil Hart rocks. I have that book and it is the best book by far on how unconstitutional it is to tax wages.

BuddyRey
07-06-2010, 07:38 PM
I've heard of Phil Hart before (If I recall correctly, he had a small cameo in America: Freedom to Fascism) but wasn't clear on whether he was a state or federal rep. I'm surprised there hasn't been a concerted effort thusfar to win this guy the Governorship!

Danke
07-06-2010, 07:40 PM
Yes it's the same guy. Phil Hart rocks. I have that book and it is the best book by far on how unconstitutional it is to tax wages.

Yes, I have read his book. And he does a good job with the congressional record. But I believe he is incorrect about the 16th A. Pete has done a better job.

Deborah K
07-07-2010, 11:41 AM
Yes, I have read his book. And he does a good job with the congressional record. But I believe he is incorrect about the 16th A. Pete has done a better job.

I can't remember his stance on the 16th, I'll have to look it up. I read Pete's book as well and I thought his expertise lies more in explaining why wage earners don't qualify to have their property taxed - using the tax code itself, whereas Phil goes more deeply into case law. Pete uses case law too, but he focuses more on the tax code itself.

AGRP
07-07-2010, 12:30 PM
I find it interesting how former "neo-con" states have stepped up to the plate to become liberty minded states. It further laments my theory that a huge amount of former neo-cons, such as myself, are seeing the light.

AGRP
07-07-2010, 12:35 PM
hmm a new destination for the free state project?

Ive always wanted a NH of the west. Idaho has always looked great:

Relatively small population

Already tilts to the right

Huge advocates of certain key rights

An easy move for defectors from washington, oregon, wyoming, nevada, etc.

ChaosControl
07-07-2010, 12:58 PM
Good for them, then need to rub off on us as their neighbor.