More bricks thrown! ~ This time @ NY Democratic Offices...

[Reason]

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March 22, 2010
Bricks Shatter Glass at NY Democratic Offices

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 9:24 a.m. ET
ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) -- Authorities are trying to find out who threw bricks through windows and doors at two Democratic Party (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/d/democratic_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org) offices in western New York before Sunday's health care vote.
Monroe County Democratic Committee officials say a brick shattered glass doors at the party's headquarters in Rochester on Saturday or Sunday. No one was in the building at the time. Rochester police are investigating.
A brick was thrown through a window at Democratic Rep. Louise Slaughter's (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/louise_m_slaughter/index.html?inline=nyt-per) district office in Niagara Falls early Friday.
Slaughter's district stretches from Rochester to the Buffalo area. She has been a key supporter of the health care reform bill passed Sunday by the House.



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[nullvalu]

I like the spirit, but unfortunately that does nothing but cost taxpayers in her district the price of two new glass doors.

[Athan]

But it also creates jobs.

[dannno]

I like the spirit, but unfortunately that does nothing but cost taxpayers in her district the price of two new glass doors.

I'm pretty sure every congress critter has a budget for their office, and this will have to come out of it.. or an increase in insurance.. I think Ron Paul gives back a lot of his budget because he doesn't have an extravagant office.

It's not really private property either.

I mean, I don't know if I want to advocate doing this, but technically they are damaging public property that is being used to destroy individual liberty, and they aren't hurting anyone.. I just don't know if it's the best way to get people on our side, although I'm sure the public figures are getting more scared.

[dr. hfn]

But it also creates jobs.

lmao good one

[pcosmar]

:D
no comment

[Anti Federalist]

Oh god, more bricks?

I think I'm gonna faint...

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Here's another one, this time office of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tuscon:
http://www.azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_eb24e4fe-35dc-11df-ad88-001cc4c03286.html

[Bruno]

Was it a Democrat throwing the brick again?

[Slutter McGee]

Mixed feelings on this. I am usually the last to promote any violent action. And I certainly would not ever support violence towards individuals in Congress. At least not unless something catastrophic happened. But I think the office is representative of something the American People are fed up with. Violence against a symbol, minus personal injuries or death as a result, is not something that I can support, but I certainly will not go out of my way to condemn it either.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[QueenB4Liberty]

Good, I'm sure we haven't seen the last of this happening. And I fear it'll only get more violent, but people have good reason to be angry.

[Anti Federalist]

Good, I'm sure we haven't seen the last of this happening. And I fear it'll only get more violent, but people have good reason to be angry.

Ohhh, the vapors...;)

[Rael]

The congresspeople started it by violating the NAP, by voting for a law that will use force to extract money from people. Those throwing the bricks are responding to force, with force.

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Brick thru window at Wichita Democratic Headquarters:
http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Health-care-debate-turns-violent-in-Wichita/lQZ1tgnuU0OmOWa2sNFykw.cspx

[Rael]

Keep in mind that when you don't pay your health insurance fine, congress will be sending IRS agents to your house, not with bricks, but with guns. Think about that before feeling sympathetic for these tyrants.

[Anti Federalist]

Arizona

Early Monday morning, a glass panel at the Tucson office of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, was shattered, spokesman C.J. Karamargin said. It wasn't clear how the window was shattered, but visitors have to go through the a gated courtyard to enter the office, and staffers suspect someone may have shot a pellet gun at the glass, he said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/22/reports-emerge-of-vandalism-at-democratic-offices/?fbid=EC7ncsWtOEP

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

former Alabama militia leader takes credit for instigating the actions
http://www.kansas.com/2010/03/22/1237045/democratic-offices-in-wichita.html



Authorities in Wichita and some other cities across the country are investigating vandalism against Democratic offices, apparently in response to health care reform.

And on Monday, a former Alabama militia leader took credit for instigating the actions.

Mike Vanderboegh, of Pinson, Ala., former head of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita.


Vanderboegh posted the call for action Friday on his blog, "Sipsey Street Irregulars." Referring to the health care reform bill as "Nancy Pelosi's Intolerable Act," he told followers to send a message to Democrats.

"We can break their windows," he said. "Break them NOW. And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary."

Vanderboegh said the action was meant to "get everyone's attention."

"What I was trying to get across was that people do not understand how on the edge of civil conflict this country is," he said.

[Southron]

I think this is going to get much worse than even the Clinton years...

[Rael]

Arizona

Early Monday morning, a glass panel at the Tucson office of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, was shattered, spokesman C.J. Karamargin said. It wasn't clear how the window was shattered, but visitors have to go through the a gated courtyard to enter the office, and staffers suspect someone may have shot a pellet gun at the glass, he said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/22/reports-emerge-of-vandalism-at-democratic-offices/?fbid=EC7ncsWtOEP

How many windows have been broken now?

[Rael]

former Alabama militia leader takes credit for instigating the actions
http://www.kansas.com/2010/03/22/1237045/democratic-offices-in-wichita.html

It's not illegal to advocate violence, but it IS illegal to incite violence.

[Anti Federalist]

I think this is going to get much worse than even the Clinton years...

III percent Mike.

[pcosmar]

former Alabama militia leader takes credit for instigating the actions
http://www.kansas.com/2010/03/22/1237045/democratic-offices-in-wichita.html

I gotta look into this. It does not sound like militia I know, or tactics of militia I know.
But I think I have heard that name mentioned.
Checking back channels.

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

How many windows have been broken now?

Four.
-Niagara Falls, NY (Rep. Louise Slaughter)
-Rochester, NY (Dem. headquarters)
-Wichita, KS (Dem. headquarters)
-Tuscon, AZ (Rep. Gabrielle Giffords)

[Anti Federalist]

Four.
-Niagara Falls, NY (Rep. Louise Slaughter)
-Rochester, NY (Dem. headquarters)
-Wichita, KS (Dem. headquarters)
-Tuscon, AZ (Rep. Gabrielle Giffords)

Thanks for compiling that, I was working on it.

[micahnelson]

I know some people, like myself, are new to this liberty/libertarian/patriot thing... but...

where were these people when the patriot act was signed?

[Anti Federalist]

I know some people, like myself, are new to this liberty/libertarian/patriot thing... but...

where were these people when the patriot act was signed?

Good question.

I've asked a bunch of them and have yet to get a satisfactory answer.

:confused:

[pcosmar]

Good question.

I've asked a bunch of them and have yet to get a satisfactory answer.

:confused:

I have heard of this Mike Vanderboegh guy. I am not sure what to think of him, seems he is trying to kick something off.
That smells like provocateur.
The militia is defensive, not offensive.
somethin' stinks.

[Rael]

Good question.

I've asked a bunch of them and have yet to get a satisfactory answer.

:confused:

Some of us are older and wiser now.

Back then I still had the mindset that it didn't matter because they were only going to use it on Arabs, and had that post September 11 attitude that emphasized security over liberty.

[Rael]

I have heard of this Mike Vanderboegh guy. I am not sure what to think of him, seems he is trying to kick something off.
That smells like provocateur.
The militia is defensive, not offensive.
somethin' stinks.

I don't think it's a provacateur. At least not a government one.

To my mind it would not be wise for their side to provoke actions like that. It could have a snowball effect. I have heard many people say things to the effect that they "won't start a war, but will join in".

[micahnelson]

Maybe some libertarian groups should get the windows replaced, hold a press conference about it, and give us a chance to plug the broken window fallacy.

"Yes, some angry people broke a window. Yes, we paid someone to get the window replaced. Yes, the window maker made a little money- does this mean broken windows are good for the economy? No, because that money could have gone so many other places. Redistribution for the sake of increasing overall wealth doesnt work. It doesnt work for windows, it doesnt work for warfare, it doesnt work for agriculture- and it wont work for medicine."

[Dunedain]

The founders would not have been so kind as to use bricks.

"What are you going use, harsh language?" - Aliens

[messana]

I know some people, like myself, are new to this liberty/libertarian/patriot thing... but...

where were these people when the patriot act was signed?

Some people need more time to figure out what's wrong than others.

[pcosmar]

I don't think it's a provacateur. At least not a government one.

To my mind it would not be wise for their side to provoke actions like that. It could have a snowball effect..

I suspect that is exactly the plan.
I have said that before.

TPTB want an excuse to roll .
I'll not give them one. :(

[t0rnado]

I have heard of this Mike Vanderboegh guy. I am not sure what to think of him, seems he is trying to kick something off.
That smells like provocateur.
The militia is defensive, not offensive.
somethin' stinks.

He wrote this:

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2008/02/absolved.html

It is way too reminiscent of Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Oklahoma City Bombing, and the Montana Freemen stuff that occured in the 90s.

[Matt Collins]

But it also creates jobs.
For those who don't get the humorous economic reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_window_fallacy



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[Matt Collins]

Good question.

I've asked a bunch of them and have yet to get a satisfactory answer.

:confused:
Yeah really. It's pathetic that it takes things to get this bad before even a noticeable fraction of The People begin to rise up and care about the Constitution. For the first time ever I heard a prominent Republican discussing the abuse of the commerce clause....


:mad:

[pcosmar]

He wrote this:

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2008/02/absolved.html

It is way too reminiscent of Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Oklahoma City Bombing, and the Montana Freemen stuff that occured in the 90s.

There were a lot of provocateurs in the 80s that were forming just the kind of groups that attracted attention. There was even a raid on one that netted a bunch of undercover operatives, the whole group was undercover ops. lol

Be very careful of leaders that incite violence.
I expect violence. But I neither call for it, nor do I want it.
I sure don't want to start it.
There are some that do. And some in our government that will welcome it.

Don't go off half cocked.

[micahnelson]

There were a lot of provocateurs in the 80s that were forming just the kind of groups that attracted attention. There was even a raid on one that netted a bunch of undercover operatives, the whole group was undercover ops. lol

Be very careful of leaders that incite violence.
I expect violence. But I neither call for it, nor do I want it.
I sure don't want to start it.
There are some that do. And some in our government that will welcome it.

Don't go off half cocked.

Any documentation on this raid? Id be really interested to see it

[Deborah K]

i heard that the protesters in DC yesterday, were spitting on Congress critters and yelling epithets at them. Yet with all the media there, no one got any of it on tape. Controlled op?

I hope people don't let this gov't suck them into violent behavior. They are ready for it. We are not.

[pcosmar]

Any documentation on this raid? Id be really interested to see it
I'll have to go looking again. It was during the witch hunts after the feds did OKC.

[pcosmar]

OK, Not the one I was looking for, but here is one.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=403975945&blogId=428963419&__preferredculture=en-US&__ipculture=en-US

They [federal agents] created whatever little piddling case they have. They have no conspiracy, they have no nexus to interstate commerce, they don't even have an explosive device. What they have is an agent provocateur who came into a group, trying to cause trouble, who was involved in this, who was actually involved with putting it on Mr. Starr's property. And we have Mr. Starr naïvely believing that he could expose him [the provocateur] by pretending to go along with him.

There are many, but I'll keep looking.

[Anti Federalist]

I'll have to go looking again. It was during the witch hunts after the feds did OKC.

I recall that as well, they raided the place and over half of them were all feds or fed informants informing on each other. :rolleyes:

[pcosmar]

I recall that as well, they raided the place and over half of them were all feds or fed informants informing on each other. :rolleyes:

Yup, can't recall the name of the place now, That would make the search easier.

But here is a good piece.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w119.html

[tpreitzel]

Elohim City ;)

[pcosmar]

Elohim City ;)

That's it,
searching
Thanks

One piece on it
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/plansto.htm
another
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=1478
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2007042382851207
There are parts of the story all over, A piece here and there as well as surviving records.

It's been a while,

[Anti Federalist]

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

[pcosmar]

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

Odd, he is referencing Ted Turner and I was thinking of Hal Turner.

Isn't that odd.

[07041826]

Interesting..... (Googles local Dem. offices and Home Depot)

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[GunnyFreedom]

A good answer for Paulers who are running for office if questioned about this:

Of course I don't support this, for many reasons. For one it's a destruction of real value, and for another it's counterproductive. If I encountered someone who was planning on doing something like this, I would make every effort to convince them not to. But we have to recognize that this is not happening in a vacuum -- the government can only ignore the will of the people for so long before this and things even worse will start to happen. This is the natural and inevitable result of years of abuse and ignorance on the part of our government, and I'm afraid that we will not change the climate here until we change the representatives and the leadership in Washington by removing the establishment wing of both major parties at the ballot box in November.

[Inflation]

Elohim City ;)

Conspiracy Files - Oklahoma City Bombing (2007) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5977554184697409940#)

This is a good documentary on Elohim and the rest.

[pcosmar]

Believe me, I am angry at the vote and how it was done. It was despicable.
But this Mike Vanderboegh is provocative. And though I agree with some of his writings I don't trust him. He seems to be trying to kick off some violent shit.
I hope that everyone is watching their 6.
And steer clear of these types.

When violence comes to me or mine I will meet it head on. But I am not going out to find or to create it.
This guy is. :(

[dwdollar]

Even if it is provocateurs, I think it could backfire and actually create more support rather than less. This is a different age where information flows freely. And people are running out of options and really, really pissed.



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[nobody's_hero]

I like the spirit, but unfortunately that does nothing but cost taxpayers in her district the price of two new glass doors.

The people in that district voted for Slaughter, meaning that they absolutely love paying taxes. It's really no big deal. :p

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Here's another one (#5):
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/2010/03/22/rock-thrown-at-dem-hqs/

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Pinson man urges protesters to throw bricks
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/a
rticle/20100323/NEWS01/3230333/Pinson-man-urges-protesters-to-throw-bricks


An Alabama blogger is taking credit for a brick being thrown through the window of the Democratic Committee headquarrters in Monroe County, N.Y.

The blog, which takes a "strict constructionist, libertarian point of view" according to its author, encouraged its readers to throw bricks at the windows of Democratic headquarters across the country.

[Elwar]

I was wondering if and when anything like this was going to happen. If my Congressman were to vote for it, I'd be raising hell at his office.

But what I was hoping for wasn't bricks...but a certain type of cocktail...

[GunnyFreedom]

Try this:

The reason I do not trust people who initiate violence is the same reason I don't trust a government that demands I convert to a belief under the threat of force.

Good for us'ns who 'get' the NAP, but we need to reach the sheeple voters I think.

[Rael]

Any more bricks thrown?

[nobody's_hero]

Any more bricks thrown?

Other than the 2700 page bundle of papers that make up the brick known as the healthcare bill? Not that I've heard.

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Three more windows smashed with bricks in the past few days, this time with 2 GOP offices getting hit:

Charlottesville, VA - GOP headquarters, Thursday nite
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/crime/article/vandalism_strikes_albemarle_county_gop_headquarter s/54116/

Howell, MI - GOP headquarters, sometime during the weekend
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100329/POLITICS03/3290404/1361/Brick-thrown-through-window-of-Howell-GOP-office

Anchorage, Alaska - Dem headquarters, Saturday nite
http://www.adn.com/2010/03/29/1204028/vandals-break-window-at-democratc.html

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Eight total now (not including bullet thru Cantor office window which was a false alarm).

-Niagara Falls, NY (Dem. Rep. Louise Slaughter)
-Rochester, NY (Dem. headquarters)
-Wichita, KS (Dem. headquarters)
-Tuscon, AZ (Dem. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords)
-Pleasant Ridge, OH (Dem. headquarters)
-Charlottesville, VA (GOP headquarters)
-Howell, MI (GOP headquarters)
-Anchorage, AK (Dem. headquarters)

[paulitics]

Great, all this stuff happened in Germany before civilian national security forces were formed to protect the politicians. This stuff is coming.