Muslims "EXEMPT" From TSA Security Electronic Screenings.

[hillbilly123069]

"The TSA, when confronted by CAIR in this regard, immediately capitulated, thus giving in in the face of yet another Islamic threat. Simultaneously, the TSA agreed to instruct its security staff, in enforcing the same tortuous security measures for everyone but Muslims, to ‘pat down’ Muslim men and women, with the proviso, of course, that only same gender ‘pat downs’ would be permitted for our Muslim brethren."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35806

[RM918]

Wow. Isn't persecuting Muslims the only reason why these jackholes mandated it in the first place? How did it go from screening Muslims specifically to everyone BUT Muslims?

It'd be funny were it not so pathetic to begin with.

[jkr]

so now i see that the enemy is me...

[roho76]

I just emailed my mother in law who is an agent for the TSA. I sent her a link to the story and asked her if it was true, she said:


I can't comment as it would be discussing*Sensitive Security Info.**However, do you have anything that disproves?

which is her way of saying yes without getting in trouble.

She says the TSA gets worse everyday. She gets punished when she goes after an airline for not following the rules, which is her job. She is eligablefor retirement next year and she's taking it and they are probably happy about that since they will be able to get back to making back room deals.

[Freedom 4 all]

No no this HAS to be from the onion. What the fuck is the point of all this security? Weren't the 9/11 hijackers ALL muslim?

[johngr]

The [muslims] are us.

[Peace&Freedom]

They built a security grid to monitor and track 300 million of us. That was always the intent, the Muslims were the fig leaf.

[RJB]

WTF. If they won't screen muslims, arabs... Then they are profiling us based on not being muslim. Why don't they exempt Christians. I'm offended about the overzealous screenings.

Again they are profiling non-muslims. What BS!

This has gotta be an Onion story as mentioned above.

[MelissaWV]

Ask to be patted down instead of scanned. The electronic body screeners that see through clothing would violate the religious and personal standards of most people, it's just that Muslim organizations have made the biggest stink first. I don't see this as particularly surprising. In its most extreme forms, it's a religion which frowns on women showing anything but their eyes... so why would those very women be subjected to a scan seeing through their clothing? There's really nothing to see here, except the fact that the TSA is perfectly willing to bend its own "rules." If enough people object to the scanners based on modesty concerns, religious or otherwise, they'll be another useless tool discarded in the longrun.

Of course, in the meantime, the whole process has...

1. ...made people think they're standing up for their rights by "only" letting some TSA agent frisk them.
2. ...allowed things like the explosive-detection screenings slip under the radar.

Then again, I'm silly. I reject the notion that the article seems to base its entire righteous indignation upon, which is that only recognizably Muslim people would be potential terrorists. We have plenty of crazies in this country. None of this makes us any safer, and singling Muslims out for screening wouldn't, either. All these security checks do, in the longrun, is move the "target" slightly further away from the actual flight. Okay, so we'll create a security bottleneck. Then what? Hundreds of people (sometimes thousands, really) in close proximity with little space to flee. Does no one see what an attractive target THAT creates? In many airports, the security checkpoints are fairly close together, and sometimes even above the baggage claims (where even more people are crammed together) or ticket areas (more people).

Terrorists don't *have to* do anything fancy to terrorize. There really hasn't been much activity on the airline front since 9/11, all shoe and crotch bombers aside. Assuming for a moment these things are instigated by a cave-dwelling mastermind, it's almost more of a joke now than anything. How about a breast-implant bomber, shortly? We'll have to submit to mammography before boarding, or at very least an "expert groping" from a TSA agent.

Misdirection is a really easy thing. It's the main technique used for thousands of years to conduct even the most basic magic tricks. If there's so much focus on the airlines, and little events continue to focus our attention there, then where would another attack come? The airlines? Incredibly unlikely. My money would be on busy commuter interstates during rush hour, personally, because creating a bottleneck would be as simple as having a staged pileup and waiting, then blowing up various cars in the ensuing traffic. Taking out major beltways is maximum bang for minimum buck. Can it be stopped? No. Would it lead to a bunch of stupid laws, like what's going on with the airlines? Yes.

Worrying about who else gets patted down rather than herded through body scanners seems pretty silly to me. Worry about yourself, fight for your own rights, and stop playing into the "Us vs. Them" bullcrap.

[Anti Federalist]

They built a security grid to monitor and track 300 million of us. That was always the intent, the Muslims were the fig leaf.

Yes, that.

The "enemy" here is, and always has been, the vast bulk of the American people.

Stupid neo cons bought the whole, "hell yeah, get them damn hayrabs" line, and now we're all well and truly fucked.

[Fozz]

If Muslims are excluded from this, then good for them.

Now it is time to exclude the rest of our country from this shit.

[DapperDan]

“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy” -James Madison

[BuddyRey]

It doesn't matter. Beck and Hannity listeners will call us conspiracy theorists and proffer that somehow, a Federal-level agency that runs and regulates the entire airline industry of America is "conservative."

[pcosmar]

Stop using airlines.
Drive a car, take a boat. Use electronic communication/conference.

Screw em.

[dealerjim]

Stop using airlines.
Drive a car, take a boat. Use electronic communication/conference.

Screw em.
Exactly.

[sofia]

No no this HAS to be from the onion. What the fuck is the point of all this security? Weren't the 9/11 hijackers ALL muslim?

The "hijackers" identities remain unknown. 911 was an Israeli op

[sofia]

If Muslims are excluded from this, then good for them.

Now it is time to exclude the rest of our country from this shit.

yeah....Does TSA think that Catholics, Evangelicals, and agnostics wouldn't take offense at their wives and daughters being photographed naked and patted down???

[tremendoustie]

yeah....Does TSA think that Catholics, Evangelicals, and agnostics wouldn't take offense at their wives and daughters being photographed naked and patted down???

I take offense. At least this will help people see what baloney this whole program is. I encourage everyone to say they have a "religious objection" when going through security. You're still supposed to be able to choose a pat down, right?

[MelissaWV]

The objection shouldn't have to be "religious." I'm saddened that seems to be the only reason to be religious these days (exemptions from things). I object on many grounds, but directly I object because I should have a choice as to who sees me naked or not, unless I have done something so terrible as to lose most of my basic rights, like ending up in prison for murder or similar. For pity's sake, I even get to choose my doctors, and they are actual professionals. The people at the TSA who're going to be viewing these scans are not paid a whole lot, and not trained a whole lot, and therefore I'd think there's definitely a segment of that populace that's going to view it as an opportunity for entertainment.

I posted it earlier somewhere, but when the choice is between marching your child through a scanner that's going to show someone in a separate room what your child looks like without their clothes, or having someone in uniform essentially molest them and give them the lesson that bad behavior is just fine as long as the person doing it is in a position of "authority"... the bus looks really, really good.

[JustinTime]

Yes, that.

The "enemy" here is, and always has been, the vast bulk of the American people.

Stupid neo cons bought the whole, "hell yeah, get them damn hayrabs" line, and now we're all well and truly fucked.

Its obvious to me that despite all the truthful things you just said, Muslims arent really all that discriminated against in the US. C'mon, Muslims organizations raised a little stink and got exempted just like that, they're favored.

Its us plain vanilla white folk who are stripped of all rights (and our clothes in this sense) and left without recourse.

[JustinTime]

Stop using airlines.
Drive a car, take a boat. Use electronic communication/conference.

Screw em.

To be fair though, it aint the airlines thats doing this.

[silentshout]

Wow...I'm speechless. I guess the point was to scan all of us then. I haven't flown much since 9/11, but when I do fly next I'll ask to be patted down if I get the special screening.

[Liberty Star]

This is too incredible if true.

So mostly "Western Christian Whites" would be then going through the naked underwear scanners in already clogged up travel system? Muslims will be exepmt while their appeasement and numbers in Congress keep increasing quietly.

Where is our civilization headed. Yesterday it was reported that a Mexican man had passed Buffet and Gates as world's richest man, right below the US house foreclosures news. Today it is reported that number of Indian billionaires doubled in 2009. We're losing in massive exit of wealth from US and drastic slump of civil liberties. All this to support most disliked apartheid police state in holy land that has no oil or energy?
Our policies make little sense logically.

[Matt Collins]

http://greencountryvalues.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/fldl.jpg

[hillbilly123069]

Christian persecution?

[hillbilly123069]

**

[RedStripe]

at least some of us will have rights

[specsaregood]

WTF. If they won't screen muslims, arabs... Then they are profiling us based on not being muslim. Why don't they exempt Christians. I'm offended about the overzealous screenings.

Again they are profiling non-muslims. What BS!


Gotta give it to them though, at least they know how to stand up for their rights.

[BucksforPaul]

Its obvious to me that despite all the truthful things you just said, Muslims arent really all that discriminated against in the US. C'mon, Muslims organizations raised a little stink and got exempted just like that, they're favored.

Its us plain vanilla white folk who are stripped of all rights (and our clothes in this sense) and left without recourse.

Who stripped you of your rights (in this case your clothes)? Was it the Muslims or your own elected officials who happen to be mostly white? (Important Note: The only reason I used the word white is in response to your post.) The goal of our government for many decades has been to completely control all of its citizens irrespective of race, sex or religion. They used the Muslims as a bogeyman to scare the shit out of you while taking away your rights. Talk about the "land of the free and home of the brave."

The Neo-Nazi, I mean neo-con, propaganda went something like this... They (ie: Muslims) hate us for our freedoms and that is why they attack us. Thus we have to pass the Patriot act, Military Commissions Act, etc.. which strip at least 9 of the first 10 amendments away from the constitution taking away our freedoms. Did Al- Qaeda infiltrate congress to pass these laws thus making us less free? They hate us for our freedoms and that is why the government had to take away our freedoms to keep us safe. LOL what a bunch of ignorant bullshit.

The following quote by Pastor Martin Niemoller is pertinent to all of us.

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Peace

[Krugerrand]

The following quote by Pastor Martin Niemoller is pertinent to all of us.

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Peace

When did anybody ever come for the trade unions?

[jmdrake]

Excellent observations on so many grounds! The problem isn't that muslims are asserting their rights. The problem is that other groups are not. I know of a Christian pastors wife who was asked about this and responded "What's the big deal? I don't care if they see me naked". :mad: I think she feels she's being "brave" if the face of "hard times" or maybe she just can't get herself to go against Obama. People don't think about their children being literally strip searched. Nor do they think about about "what happens next". And, as you've pointed out, hardly anybody considers the fact that if we were facing real terrorist threats they would be going for "soft targets" by now instead of just waiting to get on an airplane.

Really, if everybody refused the naked body scanners the system would grind to a halt. The TSA simply doesn't have enough workers to pat down everybody fast enough. The resulting delays would put pressure on the airlines to put pressure on the government to scrap the whole deal. But folks have been conned into thinking that they are doing their "patriotic duty" to "enhance security" by giving up their rights. Sad.


Ask to be patted down instead of scanned. The electronic body screeners that see through clothing would violate the religious and personal standards of most people, it's just that Muslim organizations have made the biggest stink first. I don't see this as particularly surprising. In its most extreme forms, it's a religion which frowns on women showing anything but their eyes... so why would those very women be subjected to a scan seeing through their clothing? There's really nothing to see here, except the fact that the TSA is perfectly willing to bend its own "rules." If enough people object to the scanners based on modesty concerns, religious or otherwise, they'll be another useless tool discarded in the longrun.

Of course, in the meantime, the whole process has...

1. ...made people think they're standing up for their rights by "only" letting some TSA agent frisk them.
2. ...allowed things like the explosive-detection screenings slip under the radar.

Then again, I'm silly. I reject the notion that the article seems to base its entire righteous indignation upon, which is that only recognizably Muslim people would be potential terrorists. We have plenty of crazies in this country. None of this makes us any safer, and singling Muslims out for screening wouldn't, either. All these security checks do, in the longrun, is move the "target" slightly further away from the actual flight. Okay, so we'll create a security bottleneck. Then what? Hundreds of people (sometimes thousands, really) in close proximity with little space to flee. Does no one see what an attractive target THAT creates? In many airports, the security checkpoints are fairly close together, and sometimes even above the baggage claims (where even more people are crammed together) or ticket areas (more people).

Terrorists don't *have to* do anything fancy to terrorize. There really hasn't been much activity on the airline front since 9/11, all shoe and crotch bombers aside. Assuming for a moment these things are instigated by a cave-dwelling mastermind, it's almost more of a joke now than anything. How about a breast-implant bomber, shortly? We'll have to submit to mammography before boarding, or at very least an "expert groping" from a TSA agent.

Misdirection is a really easy thing. It's the main technique used for thousands of years to conduct even the most basic magic tricks. If there's so much focus on the airlines, and little events continue to focus our attention there, then where would another attack come? The airlines? Incredibly unlikely. My money would be on busy commuter interstates during rush hour, personally, because creating a bottleneck would be as simple as having a staged pileup and waiting, then blowing up various cars in the ensuing traffic. Taking out major beltways is maximum bang for minimum buck. Can it be stopped? No. Would it lead to a bunch of stupid laws, like what's going on with the airlines? Yes.

Worrying about who else gets patted down rather than herded through body scanners seems pretty silly to me. Worry about yourself, fight for your own rights, and stop playing into the "Us vs. Them" bullcrap.

[BucksforPaul]

When did anybody ever come for the trade unions?

I am not sure if I understand your question correctly. The quote was used to illustrate that government only pretends to care for our safety, meanwhile usurping the liberties of all. Btw, that quote was from wikipedia and I do not know if the National Socialist, Nazis, went after the trade unions or not.

[Vessol]

Christian persecution?

Yes. Anyone who isn't a Muslim is a Christian.