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Lucille
03-13-2010, 11:21 AM
NMI to live blog GOP pre-primary convention (http://newmexicoindependent.com/49619/nmi-to-live-blog-gop-pre-primary-convention)


The Independent will be on hand at the Albuquerque Hilton Saturday at noon to live blog the 2010 Republican Party pre-primary convention, where candidates for office will vie for enough votes to be placed on the primary election ballot.
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In the 3rd Congressional District, two Republican candidates, Adam Kokesh and Tom Mullins, will try to get their way on the ballot.

In addition to live blogging, The Independent will attempt葉echnology permitting葉o webcast the five-minute speeches by the candidates in each race that precede the votes.

If the recent smears keep Adam off the ballot, will he run as an Independent?

ronpaulhawaii
03-13-2010, 11:32 AM
If the smears work here we need to collect 1000 more signatures in a couple weeks. It is looking good but we wont know till the counting is done. We are working our asses off...

Lucille
03-13-2010, 11:36 AM
If the smears work here we need to collect 1000 more signatures in a couple weeks. It is looking good but we wont know till the counting is done. We are working our asses off...

I see....


Candidates who don’t get 20 percent of the vote Saturday can still get on the ballot by collecting signatures.

Can I do anything to help? (I'm in Flagstaff, AZ)

Lucille
03-13-2010, 01:29 PM
Now: Live blog of the GOP pre-primary convention (http://newmexicoindependent.com/49660/now-live-blog-of-the-gop-pre-primary-convention?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&altcast_code=9c3512b480)

Lucille
03-13-2010, 01:30 PM
Oh dear...


Adam Kokesh failed to get to 20 percent (80.5% for Mullins, 19.5% for Kokesh), but those results are apparently not final.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 01:32 PM
[Comment From Heath Haussamen (NMI) Heath Haussamen (NMI): ]
Matt, I'm told they round up, so Kokesh might get on the ballot after all. Trying to confirm now.


Matt Reichbach (NMI):
Heath, they announced that they have to go back and tally the ballots up again. Or something like that, it wasn't exactly clear and I was just showing up at that time.

Matt Reichbach (NMI):
George, they did the 2nd and 3rd Congressional Districts already. THe rest will come after lunch.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 01:45 PM
Matt Reichbach (NMI):
We just got handed some really dirty fliers against Kokesh that accuses him of being anti-troop, anti-American and a 9/11 Truther.


Matt Reichbach (NMI):
It links Kokesh with, among others, Alex Jones, Cindy Sheehan, Charlie Sheen (?), Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 01:46 PM
I pray the smears backfire on those fascist neocon tools.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 01:53 PM
Heath Haussamen (NMI):
Interesting thing about Kokesh. When he announced in July that he would run as a Republican, he called his platform "post-partisan" but said he "from a long line of Republicans and has been registered as a Republican since he was old enough to vote.”

“Often a critic of the party leadership, he believes the actual platform — limited government and lower taxes — is most aligned with his belief system, even though the Republican office holders have strayed far away from the party platform,” his campaign said.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 01:54 PM
Heath Haussamen (NMI):
So what happened today appears to be a rejection of Kokesh's "post-partisan" platform by most GOP insiders. Interesting.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 02:02 PM
Matt Reichbach (NMI):
"I will stand with those who make no apologies for this great country," Barela says.

Good Lord, what a load.

A MandateMittRimneyCare fan I take it....

Lucille
03-13-2010, 02:03 PM
They say Gary Johnson is on the screen! Woot!

He will not endorse but they say he's said good things about Turner.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 02:16 PM
Heath Haussamen (NMI):
"According to state law, anything under 20% is not certified by the convention. This includes 19.5," GOP spokeswoman tells me.

MR2Fast2Catch
03-13-2010, 02:20 PM
They say Gary Johnson is on the screen! Woot!

He will not endorse but they say he's said good things about Turner.

Why hasn't Gary Johnson endorsed Adam? I see no reason for him not to, unless Gary is too worried about his own image and ambitions...

low preference guy
03-13-2010, 02:22 PM
Why hasn't Gary Johnson endorsed Adam? I see no reason for him not to, unless Gary is too worried about his own image and ambitions...

which is not a bad thing. however, i don't think that's the case. i think his involvement in our america prevent him from making an endorsement.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 02:22 PM
He appeared before the gov. hopefuls

Heath Haussamen (NMI):
An endorsement, Johnson says, would violate his own nonprofit org's status.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 02:35 PM
Matt Reichbach (NMI):
The delegate count is changing because some people have arrived late.
Saturday March 13, 2010 1:32 Matt Reichbach (NMI)
1:33

Matt Reichbach (NMI):
All the numbers we have now are preliminary results.

[Comment From Claus Claus: ]
So will the late delegates get to vote for the earlier rounds that they missed CD2 etc.
Saturday March 13, 2010 1:34 Claus
1:34

Matt Reichbach (NMI):
Yes, Claus.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 02:36 PM
Hopefully there's some latecomers for Kokesh!

............................

Wait...

Heath Haussamen (NMI):
They've already done the congressional races.

Conflicting info.

........................

Heath Haussamen (NMI):
This from GOP spokeswoman Janel Caused: "Must get 20%--so 19.5 doesn't make the cut according to the law."

So, unless the numbers change, Kokesh didn't make the ballot today. The numbers aren't official yet, so it's not quite over.

MR2Fast2Catch
03-13-2010, 03:01 PM
So, unless the numbers change, Kokesh didn't make the ballot today. The numbers aren't official yet, so it's not quite over.

I heard it would just mean Adam needs another 1,000 signatures to get on the ballot, since he did not make 20 percent.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 03:05 PM
Yup.

I'd rather him run as an Independent though, and I feel the same about Ron, if they can't get the GOP nominations. I truly believe it's the only way for the platform to win. The GOP is full of warmongers and big govt beltway hacks, from top to bottom.

ETA: Sorry to be so negative. Most times, it feels like liberty, peace and prosperity are swimming against the tide.

.................

Matt Reichbach (NMI):
Chavez says he will go back and arrest corrupt officials, "Including Governor Richardson."

Awesome. But is that the State Auditor's job?

Lucille
03-13-2010, 03:56 PM
I think they missed live blogging the congressional speeches. NMI did get a late start. Anyways...

Heath Haussamen (NMI):
No candidate who hasn't gotten 20 percent at the preprimary has ever won the primary in New Mexico.

..................................

And it's over.

The results can be found here (http://newmexicoindependent.com/49662/results-from-the-gop-state-preprimary-convention). They're still being updated.


3rd Congressional District

• Tom Mullins – 80.5 percent

• Adam Kokesh – 19.5 percent

It’s not clear at this point if Kokesh has earned his way on the ballot. There’s some sort of recount going on and there’s also a question about whether numbers should be rounded up. Stay tuned.

FWIW, Turner (who Johnson spoke well of) intends on gathering signatures.

Good luck, Adam! God speed and God bless!

MR2Fast2Catch
03-13-2010, 04:15 PM
Lucille, thanks for posting all these updates for us.


A disappointing day, but it's not over yet. Keep up the fight!

angelatc
03-13-2010, 04:29 PM
I see....



Can I do anything to help? (I'm in Flagstaff, AZ)

I don't know anything about running a campaign, but I wouldn't be surprised if they put out a call for cash to enable them to hire professional signature gatherers.

His opponent in the GOP is a freaking Teamster. Is there literally no end to the stupidity?

Lucille
03-13-2010, 04:32 PM
No prob. I wasn't sure if anyone was even following it!

Fight on!

angelatc
03-13-2010, 04:33 PM
No candidate who hasn't gotten 20 percent at the preprimary has ever won the primary in New Mexico.

Then Adam has a chance to break a tradition.

I had no idea this pre-primary thing existed. It certainly explains the timing of the opposition pieces.

angelatc
03-13-2010, 04:34 PM
No prob. I wasn't sure if anyone was even following it!

Fight on!

Ha! I follow you on Twitter and didn't even know it was you!

Yeah. I miss you when you don't post here. Hint, hint...

Lucille
03-13-2010, 04:34 PM
His opponent in the GOP is a freaking Teamster. Is there literally no end to the stupidity?

Awesome. Just what we need in the GOP. More Big Govt, pro-war, pro-union types.

And that's a rhetorical question, right? ;)

Lucille
03-13-2010, 04:37 PM
Ha! I follow you on Twitter and didn't even know it was you!

Yeah. I miss you when you don't post here. Hint, hint...

So sweet! ::hugs:: Yup. It's me. I thought about creating a new RPF name to avoid confusion or whatever, but I just added the twitter link instead.

I've been missing this place too! Twitter has been my obsession, but now I'm burning out.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 04:38 PM
Then Adam has a chance to break a tradition.

I had no idea this pre-primary thing existed. It certainly explains the timing of the opposition pieces.

It absolutely does explain the barrage of attacks lately!

angelatc
03-13-2010, 04:39 PM
So sweet! ::hugs:: Yup. It's me. I thought about creating a new RPF name to avoid confusion or whatever, but I just added the twitter link instead.

I've been missing this place too! Twitter has been my obsession, but now I'm burning out.

I think if you ask nicely, they will change your your name. I've seen a few people do that.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 04:40 PM
I think if you ask nicely, they will change your your name. I've seen a few people do that.

Great! I'll give it a shot! Thanks!

malkusm
03-13-2010, 04:44 PM
Hopefully RPH can add some insight into this thread -- he seemed to indicate (via Facebook) that there were more votes cast than delegates? In combination with Kokesh missing the 20% threshold by (maybe) 1 or 2 votes, I smell dirty tactics.....

angelatc
03-13-2010, 04:46 PM
Great! I'll give it a shot! Thanks!

Ask Bruno. I know for sure he used to be something else.

angelatc
03-13-2010, 04:47 PM
Hopefully RPH can add some insight into this thread -- he seemed to indicate (via Facebook) that there were more votes cast than delegates? In combination with Kokesh missing the 20% threshold by (maybe) 1 or 2 votes, I smell dirty tactics.....

It's not like they care if they're caught cheating. Look at Nevada. She's the frontrunner now.

Lucille
03-13-2010, 04:48 PM
Bruno. Got it.

Just RTed your Open Letter! It was excellent! (I hadn't seen it before. I'm following too many people, I think...)

malkusm
03-13-2010, 05:04 PM
It's not like they care if they're caught cheating. Look at Nevada. She's the frontrunner now.

Oh no doubt, and I fully expect them to cheat and hack the system to keep their stranglehold over it -- but I'm interested in hearing that aspect of the story.

ronpaulhawaii
03-14-2010, 09:37 AM
First off, this pre-primary convention was like a straw poll off the GOP establishment, (who was never our base) The system here is designed to keep grassroots candidates out. From what I heard they manipulated things so that Adam was kept just under 20%, so as not to appear too suspicious and piss off the base, but to make it harder for us to do what needs to be done. We will have to sit down with more of our friends who were in the closed convention. I've heard lots of conflicting stories about the "certified" delegate situation. Some say it was just a temporary roll, some say it was binding.

There has been lots of "rule breaking" by the establishment all through the process. GOP county execs, who are supposed to stay neutral, were active for Tom, etc. we may never know the depth of involvement, but we have some good indications that the State GOP had determined that Adam be shut out at this stage of the process.

Some delegates challenged the results on the floor and they called District 3 back in, but nothing came of it. We need more details before any formal complaints...

The worst thing though, was some smear cards that were put on some tables and passed out during Adam's Speech by delegates from Taos. This was completely against the rules of the closed convention (no literature in the convention)

The smear cards had pictures of Adam being arrested in DC, wearing a keffiyeh in Iraq holding a pistol, holding a Gadsden Flag in MO with the term "Domestic Terrorist" underneath, etc...

One of the cards said on the back:

IS ADAM KOKESH A 911 TRUTHER?

It then had an unattributed quote about questioning 911 and then a line about "These are the top Infowarriors in this movement"

Adam Kokesh
Alex Jones
Andrew Napolitano
Charlie Sheen
Cindy Sheehan
Ron Paul
Cynthia McKinney

and some name I can't remember (half the team is still in ABQ with the cards, I'm back in Santa Fe.)

After the convention ended, Bradley went to talk to Congressman Pete Sessions (Chairman of the NRCC) whom he knows on a first name basis. As soon as they started talking the State Chairman and Tom M suddenly appeared at their side and they went white as Bradley pulled out the smear cards to show Sessions...

We also had a good talk with another of the NRCC guys who understands the GOP will not be able to win squat if they continue to work against us using dirty tricks.

I am still digesting and will update later after we have a post event meeting. The bottom line is we plan on getting thousands of signatures (which will be sure to be challenged) in the next 10 days and could certainly use held from folk in neighboring states...

Luckily, I am used to dirty tricks and will use the outrage as fuel

Here are some relevant quotes from an article


的知 for Adam Kokesh! former Corrales mayor Gary Kanin declared when asked what he thought of the convention. 溺ullins can get the Republican vote, but he痴 not gonna do diddly in Santa Fe and Rio Arriba. If you can稚 get the Democratic vote as a Republican, you池e not gonna win.

Kokesh got only 19.5% of the delegates vote, which means he値l have to collect signatures in order to make it on the ballot for District 3. That fact, to Kanin, is 兎mbarrassing: They池e too glued to a successful, business-oriented candidate who cannot win the election.

http://www.sfreeper.com/2010/03/13/gop-pre-primary-convention-martinez-moore-win-big/

Onward and forward

malkusm
03-14-2010, 09:49 AM
First off, this pre-primary convention was like a straw poll off the GOP establishment, (who was never our base) The system here is designed to keep grassroots candidates out. From what I heard they manipulated things so that Adam was kept just under 20%, so as not to appear too suspicious and piss off the base, but to make it harder for us to do what needs to be done. We will have to sit down with more of our friends who were in the closed convention. I've heard lots of conflicting stories about the "certified" delegate situation. Some say it was just a temporary roll, some say it was binding.

There has been lots of "rule breaking" by the establishment all through the process. GOP county execs, who are supposed to stay neutral, were active for Tom, etc. we may never know the depth of involvement, but we have some good indications that the State GOP had determined that Adam be shut out at this stage of the process.

Some delegates challenged the results on the floor and they called District 3 back in, but nothing came of it. We need more details before any formal complaints...

The worst thing though, was some smear cards that were put on some tables and passed out during Adam's Speech by delegates from Taos. This was completely against the rules of the closed convention (no literature in the convention)

The smear cards had pictures of Adam being arrested in DC, wearing a keffiyeh in Iraq holding a pistol, holding a Gadsden Flag in MO with the term "Domestic Terrorist" underneath, etc...

One of the cards said on the back:

IS ADAM KOKESH A 911 TRUTHER?

It then had an unattributed quote about questioning 911 and then a line about "These are the top Infowarriors in this movement"

Adam Kokesh
Alex Jones
Andrew Napolitano
Charlie Sheen
Cindy Sheehan
Ron Paul
Cynthia McKinney

and some name I can't remember (half the team is still in ABQ with the cards, I'm back in Santa Fe.)

After the convention ended, Bradley went to talk to Congressman Pete Sessions (Chairman of the NRCC) whom he knows on a first name basis. As soon as they started talking the State Chairman and Tom M suddenly appeared at their side and they went white as Bradley pulled out the smear cards to show Sessions...

We also had a good talk with another of the NRCC guys who understands the GOP will not be able to win squat if they continue to work against us using dirty tricks.

I am still digesting and will update later after we have a post event meeting. The bottom line is we plan on getting thousands of signatures (which will be sure to be challenged) in the next 10 days and could certainly use held from folk in neighboring states...

Luckily, I am used to dirty tricks and will use the outrage as fuel

Here are some relevant quotes from an article


http://www.sfreeper.com/2010/03/13/gop-pre-primary-convention-martinez-moore-win-big/

Onward and forward

Thanks for the update - keep up the great work! :cool:

Lucille
03-14-2010, 11:21 AM
Thanks so much for the update, boss!

Why am I not surprised the state and local GOP apparatchiks would stoop to such underhanded tactics. But will the NRCC do anything about the ballot shenanigans and smear cards being illegally distributed? Knocking Mullins off the ballot, and the GOP goons who took part in both being stripped of their party positions would please me greatly, and would be justified. I suppose proving it is the hardest part.

Shenanigans like these is why Paul was so adamant about his army becoming precinct committeemen. All politics truly is local.

I assume KokeshforCongress.com will update re collecting sigs. So I'll keep checking that, and will donate more $$ to fund the process.

...................................

Via your link (from a link (http://www.sfreeper.com/2010/03/03/tea-party-on-sfrs-extended-interview-with-adam-kokesh/) within the link):


At least one thing [Kokesh] says is guaranteed to piss you off, no matter what your political views may be. For instance:

甜W]e don稚 have a capitalist system in the United States, and it drives me crazy to hear people blame capitalism for where we are today. We have a system of corporatism and crony capitalism.

It's true. Too bad more conservatives don't say the same and correct the misinformation that's out there today! That's what pisses me off.

randolphfuller
03-14-2010, 12:51 PM
Unfortunately, it is not just the delegates. Kokesh has begun to poll behind Mullen--way behind.

malkusm
03-14-2010, 01:00 PM
Unfortunately, it is not just the delegates. Kokesh has begun to poll behind Mullen--way behind.

Proof? No head-to-head poll numbers have come out in this race.

ronpaulhawaii
03-14-2010, 01:14 PM
Proof? No head-to-head poll numbers have come out in this race.

The one poll was for the Governors Race, with a side poll of the congressional races. It polled 400 voters statewide. Adam came out slightly behind TM in one crosstab, but did have high unfavorables. This was partly our fault due to too much "r3VOLution" in the messaging and has been rectified. What is most telling is the vast majority had "no opinion" and that is what we are now working on.

Travlyr
03-14-2010, 02:33 PM
Unfortunately, it is not just the delegates. Kokesh has begun to poll behind Mullen--way behind.

I call bullshit. It's Mullins... not Mullen.

Shotdown1027
03-16-2010, 02:30 AM
It just goes to show that they haven't learned they lesson. Each time a state, county, or city party does this to us--we'll come back and make them hurt over it (whether by voting against them, running third party candidates, or just generally being obstructionist). I have no problem playing that role. I want my liberty--it was mine and they're perpetuating a system that took it from me. In every locality where they don't want to bring us to the table...well...we should aim to misbehave.

However--I will say that I'm impressed Kokesh had the support of a former mayor and stuff. It's a shame Gov. Johnson didn't endorse Turner and Kokesh. His 501c3 doesn't stop him from doing that...

Nathan Hale
03-17-2010, 07:10 AM
Kokesh has unique enough positioning that I'd advocate an indy run if it looks like he's nowhere near getting the GOP nod.

Travlyr
03-17-2010, 07:35 AM
The Democrats rounded up. New Mexico state law may require Kokesh to be on the ballot. We'll see what the Republicans do.

h ttp://newmexicoindependent.com/49778/campos-qualified-for-the-ballot-after-all-dems-say

libertybrewcity
03-21-2010, 05:39 PM
did kokesh expect this happen? and if kokesh can't get more than 20%, how will he do against mullins in the actual primary?

torchbearer
03-21-2010, 05:50 PM
did kokesh expect this happen? and if kokesh can't get more than 20%, how will he do against mullins in the actual primary?

more voters, less active that the first pre-primary.
numbers could be a lot different.

low preference guy
03-21-2010, 05:53 PM
did kokesh expect this happen? and if kokesh can't get more than 20%, how will he do against mullins in the actual primary?

Gary Johnson became governor after getting 21%. Just 2% more than Kokesh.

libertybrewcity
03-21-2010, 06:09 PM
well that is good to hear. I hope the people in New Mexico get out to vote!

Romantarchist
03-21-2010, 09:05 PM
19% of the party LEADERSHIP vote. It doesn't represent the average citizen of New Mexico's 3rd District...right?

libertybrewcity
03-21-2010, 11:05 PM
Yea, it is still disappointing that he only recieved 19 percent. Is New Mexico really that neo-conned? I thought Ron Paulers would have infiltrated the parties by now!

libertybrewcity
03-21-2010, 11:07 PM
The Democrats rounded up. New Mexico state law may require Kokesh to be on the ballot. We'll see what the Republicans do.

h ttp://newmexicoindependent.com/49778/campos-qualified-for-the-ballot-after-all-dems-say

and hopefully this applies to Kokesh, 1000 signatures may take a lot of limited resources to acquire.

libertybrewcity
03-21-2010, 11:08 PM
Sorry for the multiple posts...but I just read that Mullins supporters handed out cards at the convention. Do we have anything on Mullins or is he clean?

angelatc
03-22-2010, 03:59 PM
did kokesh expect this happen? and if kokesh can't get more than 20%, how will he do against mullins in the actual primary?

Gary Johnson only got 21%.

Romantarchist
03-22-2010, 04:46 PM
Yeah, I read somewhere that when Ron Paul was running for Congress in 1996, his opponent had all the "big name" Republicans of the time like Gingrich and Armey on his side...and Ron won anyways. Having the establishment behind you doesn't always carry as much weight as it seems.