View Full Version : Beck attacks Jesse Ventura (youtube)
Patrick
03-13-2010, 07:10 AM
YouTube - Glenn Beck on Jesse Ventura - March 9th, 2010. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qD5I-hcB54&feature=sub)
BuddyRey
03-13-2010, 08:01 AM
More paper tiger posturing from a professional liar who's too chickenshit to be in the same room with his rivals when his board op isn't there to cut their microphones.
catdd
03-13-2010, 08:05 AM
There's an old slogan "Don't say anything behind someone's back that you wouldn't say to their face."
Now he will spend the rest of his life avoiding Ventura.
AdamT
03-13-2010, 08:50 AM
Beck is such an establishment shill it's unbelievable. I had to turn off the TY after about 1 min.
Erazmus
03-13-2010, 08:53 AM
Wow, Glenn Beck is like Jerry Springer for "conservatives." Ad hominem after ad hominem. There was also a non sequitur in there too. Anyone who actually thinks Beck is of libertarian philosophy has no idea what libertarianism is, and needs to get their head examined. And the fact that they were poking fun at Habeas Corpus just solidifies that Beck cannot be libertarian, even though he calls himself one.
He clearly doesn't know what the non aggression axiom is, with his pro war rhetoric. He is also pro taxation -which is equivalent of being pro theft. Beck just needs to go cry some more in a corner. In the words of a friend of mine, Beck is a grade-A douche bag.
paulitics
03-13-2010, 09:07 AM
Fuck Beck. He is a shill for the neocons. End of story. Jesse Ventura is right. Beck and his ilk did not give 2 shits about the constitution when it was being shredded during the Bush years.
And Beck is still wish washy on the 4th amendment, even though he claims to be a libertarian. Wiretapping, suspension of habeus corpus, are just as important if not more important than the loss of economic freedom.
DAFTEK
03-13-2010, 09:24 AM
I'm waiting for tonesforjonesbone (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=5313) to post on this psychotic idiot. :rolleyes:
Stary Hickory
03-13-2010, 09:43 AM
Jesse Ventura is nuts. I listened to this guy spread the craziest conspiracy stuff I have ever heard. I could care less if someone attacks venture for his conspiracy beliefs. Venture does hold some good positions, but this is totally overshadowed by his ridiculous conspiracy theories.
paulitics
03-13-2010, 10:07 AM
Jesse Ventura is nuts. I listened to this guy spread the craziest conspiracy stuff I have ever heard. I could care less if someone attacksophr venture for his conspiracy beliefs. Venture does hold some good positions, but this is totally overshadowed by his ridiculous conspiracy theories.
He isn't being attacked for his conspiracy beliefs in this clip, but for his belief in the constitution.
Beck spreads conspiracy crap with less evidence than Ventura does, but that is ok with you I suppose. Beck is a schitzophrenic and is the one who is truly nuts. It's amazing that we still have people on this board defending this charlatan after how many times being stabbed?
Stary Hickory
03-13-2010, 10:18 AM
He isn't being attacked for his conspiracy beliefs in this clip, but for his belief in the constitution.
Beck spreads conspiracy crap with less evidence than Ventura does, but that is ok with you I suppose. Beck is a schitzophrenic and is the one who is truly nuts. It's amazing that we still have people on this board defending this charlatan after how many times being stabbed?
Beck does not spread conspiracy stuff like this. I have listened to him quite a bit off and on. He can theorize sometimes, and voices concerns. Being an emotional guy(to say the least) it can come off as very edgy. But compared to Alex Jones or Ventura it does not even register. I have been stabbed ZERO times by Beck. Truthers may feel they have been stabbed....but not I. I do not agree with Beck on everything he says, but I really grow suspicious of all the vehement attacks against him on this board.
If we were to list all MSM personalities, Beck would be one of the least damaging. He actually presents many libertarian arguments WELL. He does not chase off his audience with crazy conspiracy stuff like many do here. It's the single biggest impediment for this movement is the conspiracy theorists. I am all for delving into any subject, but I need objectivity, logic, and reason to be the tools.
Beck attacked Ventura because he acted like an ass behind closed doors, because Beck was not talking about this stuff ten years ago. Beck readily admitted that he started to understand the gravity of it all when the economic crisis hit. So have many Americans. But by all means let's insult them and tell them they have no right to speak, and meanwhile try and foist crazy conspiracy theories on them.
I don't defend beck when he does stupid things, he certainly held a view on the war which I disagree with whole heatedly. But when I look around at MSM talk show hosts I would like to see gone Beck is like last on my list. He is very receptive to libertarian ideas, but he does have a tendency to reject the totally unfounded conspiracy krap...and that I like.
And anyways who the hell stabbed you in the back? He voices his opinions if you do not agree with them fine. But stabbed you in the back? Common.
Wonder where all the Glen Beck followers are now? The ones who said it's ok for school kids to sing to Nixon and children worshiping Bush video. Glen Beck is such a tool. Where was he when medicare was expanded. Same thing like Obamas health care propsal.
YouTube - Jesus Camp Extract Praise Bush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg)
DapperDan
03-13-2010, 11:42 AM
In terms of a fist fight, Glenn Beck will be Jesse from Predator and Jesse IS the Predator.....
Cause talking shit in person is dangerous, eh Glenn?
silverhandorder
03-13-2010, 12:01 PM
Fuck this Beck hating, whether you like him or not he is an asset. You people beleive too much in manipulation.
DapperDan
03-13-2010, 12:05 PM
Fuck this Beck hating, whether you like him or not he is an asset. You people beleive too much in manipulation.
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puppetmaster
03-13-2010, 12:11 PM
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:)
Anti Federalist
03-13-2010, 12:14 PM
YouTube - Predator - Slack Jawed ******s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plY9hpA_Nbg)
AdamT
03-13-2010, 12:23 PM
Fuck this Beck hating, whether you like him or not he is an asset. You people beleive too much in manipulation.
No, he's not an asset. Which has been proven time and time again. Attacks our real freedom candidates consistently, shills for the Establishment consistently, confuses his less-than-astute audience consistently, etc. This guy will stab the Republic while spewing propaganda that he's fighting to save it.
Nate-ForLiberty
03-13-2010, 12:24 PM
Fuck this Beck hating, whether you like him or not he is an asset. You people beleive too much in manipulation.
believe? no no no, we SEE IT. It's clear as day.
Silverhandover and John taylor are Glen Beck drones
Jeremy
03-13-2010, 12:36 PM
Jesse Ventura and Glenn Beck are both idiots. Let's move on.
torchbearer
03-13-2010, 12:37 PM
Fuck this Beck hating, whether you like him or not he is an asset. You people beleive too much in manipulation.
"Mr. Question-Your-Government" doesn't like it when you ask questions he doesn't approve of....
Jeremy
03-13-2010, 12:43 PM
"Mr. Question-Your-Government" doesn't like it when you ask questions he doesn't approve of....
Glenn Beck is right that Ventura is dumb. He shouldn't be insulting people like he always does (making himself look like an asshole).... but he IS right. Jesse Ventura has always been HORRIBLE on most issues simply because he's doesn't know any better. Sadly, Glenn Beck is far more libertarian than Jesse Ventura.
torchbearer
03-13-2010, 12:46 PM
Glenn Beck is right that Ventura is dumb. He shouldn't be insulting people like he always does (making himself look like an asshole).... but he IS right. Jesse Ventura has always been HORRIBLE on most issues simply because he's doesn't know any better. Sadly, Glenn Beck is far more libertarian than Jesse Ventura.
Not sure how that addressing the problem that Back doesn't want you asking questions he doesn't approve of.
Jeremy
03-13-2010, 12:53 PM
Because there is a lot of Beck-hate here. Why no Ventura hate? He is a fraud. He is anti-freedom yet he has been popular here for a while. And do you remember his speech in Minnesota at Ron Paul's convention... he wants to take over the libertarian movement... lol >_< ...Glenn Beck is an asshole, but Jesse Ventura is not our ally.
John Taylor
03-13-2010, 12:55 PM
because there is a lot of beck-hate here. Why no ventura hate? He is a fraud. He is anti-freedom yet he has been popular here for a while. And do you remember his speech in minnesota at ron paul's convention... He wants to take over the libertarian movement... Lol >_< ...glenn beck is an asshole, but jesse ventura is not our ally.
+1776
torchbearer
03-13-2010, 12:59 PM
Because there is a lot of Beck-hate here. Why no Ventura hate? He is a fraud. He is anti-freedom yet he has been popular here for a while. And do you remember his speech in Minnesota at Ron Paul's convention... he wants to take over the libertarian movement... lol >_< ...Glenn Beck is an asshole, but Jesse Ventura is not our ally.
I don't recall Ventura assassinating our candidates on national tv. remember medina.
Go watch Glen Beck reruns John
Jeremy
03-13-2010, 01:03 PM
I don't recall Ventura assassinating our candidates on national tv. remember medina.
So.... Ventura hasn't been an asshole to libertarians... but he's been an asshole to liberty :o
torchbearer
03-13-2010, 01:06 PM
So.... Ventura hasn't been an asshole to libertarians... but he's been an asshole to liberty :o
He doesn't make the libertarian purist credentials. i agree.
but he isn't an enemy. he isn't co-opting anything unless he is selling something people want to buy.
Ventura gives a voice to those denied a voice. His TruTV show puts on cable tv questions we aren't suppose to ask. And he doesn't go bipolar- as in, he doesn't decide one day he is for asking questions, then the next day, face rapes anyone who asks questions he doesn't agree with.
I don't see how anyone can defend beck anymore.
dannno
03-13-2010, 01:09 PM
believe? no no no, we SEE IT. It's clear as day.
+1
I'm sorry but there are people on this board who are ignorant. Call it an insult if you want, I call it an adjective.
Beck just tried to tear down a substantial portion of Ron Paul's 2008 Presidential campaign with that bullshit, if you can't see it I'm sorry, but
YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. WAKE THE FUCK UP.
dannno
03-13-2010, 01:11 PM
He doesn't make the libertarian purist credentials. i agree.
but he isn't an enemy. he isn't co-opting anything unless he is selling something people want to buy.
Ventura gives a voice to those denied a voice. His TruTV show puts on cable tv questions we aren't suppose to ask. And he doesn't go bipolar- as in, he doesn't decide one day he is for asking questions, then the next day, face rapes anyone who asks questions he doesn't agree with.
I don't see how anyone can defend beck anymore.
+1
Ventura is not an enemy, he is taking on the same establishment we are.
Beck is PRETENDING to take on the establishment that he is apart of and will defend, I am convinced, to his death.
Jeremy
03-13-2010, 01:11 PM
He doesn't make the libertarian purist credentials. i agree.
but he isn't an enemy. he isn't co-opting anything unless he is selling something people want to buy.
Ventura gives a voice to those denied a voice. His TruTV show puts on cable tv questions we aren't suppose to ask. And he doesn't go bipolar- as in, he doesn't decide one day he is for asking questions, then the next day, face rapes anyone who asks questions he doesn't agree with.
I don't see how anyone can defend beck anymore.
He also said that capitalism caused the current economic crisis. I'm not defending Beck here. Just attacking Ventura.
John Taylor
03-13-2010, 01:12 PM
He also said that capitalism caused the current economic crisis. I'm not defending Beck here. Just attacking Ventura.
+1776
Ventura, my former Governor, is NO FRIEND of voluntarism and laissez faire.
AuH20
03-13-2010, 01:14 PM
Jesse Ventura is not the sharpest tool in the shed. It's his biggest negative. He's certainly motivated but I cringe sometimes when he talks.
AdamT
03-13-2010, 01:18 PM
Ventura is not a controlled shill for the establishment. Big difference when comparing to Beck. With Ventura you know where he stands. I like that, and I like Ventura for pushing the hot buttons of MSM shills with a common sense approach, and making people think.
Ventura is 100x more a friend to our movement than Beck will ever be.
AuH20
03-13-2010, 01:19 PM
Ventura is not a controlled shill for the establishment. Big difference when comparing to Beck. With Ventura you know where he stands. I like that, and I like Ventura for pushing the hot buttons of MSM shills with a common sense approach, and making people think.
Ventura is 100x more a friend to our movement than Beck will ever be.
Ventura doesn't seem to be constitutionally minded nor an advocate for Austrian based economics.
paulitics
03-13-2010, 01:32 PM
So.... Ventura hasn't been an asshole to libertarians... but he's been an asshole to liberty :o
And why is Jesse an asshole to liberty more than Beck? Do you really want to go there? Beck doesn't even believe in the 4th amendment, thinks tortrue is ok, and cares little about the patriot act, homeland security, military commisions act, etc.
He still fear mongers about Iran, and wants to meddle in their affairs of a powerless country, because otherwise they will blow up the world.
Beck will talk alot about conspiracy theories but will never enlighten his listeners to conspiracy fact like the gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, etc.
He also thinks traiterous scumbags like Karl Rove and Oliver North are good, honorable men.
I would rather have Jesse, and even friggin Dennis Kucinich on my side then Beck.
Beck is the type of guy who when the time comes, will say we need to give the government emergency powers (martial law) so we can save the constitution. This is how predictable he is, and how much of a backstabber he is.
paulitics
03-13-2010, 01:33 PM
Ventura doesn't seem to be constitutionally minded nor an advocate for Austrian based economics.
No, I would say he is constitutionally minded, and is 10 times better than Beck on the Bill of Rights. He is an ignormaous on economics.
AuH20 and John Taylor are Glen Beck trolls. Does Glen Beck support the austrian theory? I havent heard him say it. He was for the Bush bail out. Ventura at least has his art in the right place.
Jeremy
03-13-2010, 01:49 PM
Anyone who says capitalism caused the economic failure isn't going to stand for liberty.
Ventura says we need more government intervention in the economy as long as it's not as much as the soviet union.
dannno
03-13-2010, 01:54 PM
Anyone who says capitalism caused the economic failure isn't going to stand for liberty.
Ventura says we need more government intervention in the economy as long as it's not as much as the soviet union.
Ya but I'm sure you're aware that the reason we are moving in that direction and the reason they are putting out that propaganda that Jesse just happens to be buying is because of tptb who want to take us in that direction. This is the same tptb that he's calling out and trying to take down for all of their shenanigans.. So he is still trying to take these people down, the people Beck is supporting who actually have the power to shove this down our throat...
Jeremy
03-13-2010, 02:05 PM
Well why don't you let me know when Jesse Ventura isn't spouting the mainstreamer "mixed economy" BS and stops bragging about how great his failed Keynesian governor projects were. Maybe next time he won't steal from poor people to buy an expensive light rail system that no one uses. It's not just that he says a lot of bad things. He did a lot of bad things and he is an interventionist. It's not my problem that he bought the lies. Every politician did that. Speaking of that... why is the argument "he has simply been brainwashed by these mainstream views" right after the argument is "at least he isn't brainwashed and is against the establishment. The way I see it, he is for the establishment. He wants more government control. That is why he supported big government as governor.
"The idea that political freedom can be preserved in the absence of economic freedom, and vice versa, is an illusion. Political freedom is the corollary of economic freedom."
- Ludwig von Mises
AdamT
03-13-2010, 02:18 PM
I don't think Ventura holds all the same views he did years ago as governor of MN. He's been educated in a lot of areas since getting out of office, and embarking down "the road" so to speak like many of us here have done.
The way I see it, he is for the establishment. He wants more government control.
This is simply not true.
Jeremy
03-13-2010, 02:21 PM
I don't think Ventura holds all the same views he did years ago as governor of MN. He's been educated in a lot of areas since getting out of office, and embarking down "the road" so to speak like many of us here have done.
This is simply not true.
There are many people who don't even acknowledge the economy. Liberals always tell me that "there's no such thing as freedom when it comes to economics, they are two separate issues." They think freedom is only about civil liberties, etc. Ventura probably doesn't realize that he supports government control. But in my view, that is what he wants.
And like I said, I know we all went down "the road," but let me know when he is an actual libertarian because most people in the world are not going down any road.
Ninja Homer
03-13-2010, 02:34 PM
Well why don't you let me know when Jesse Ventura isn't spouting the mainstreamer "mixed economy" BS and stops bragging about how great his failed Keynesian governor projects were. Maybe next time he won't steal from poor people to buy an expensive light rail system that no one uses. It's not just that he says a lot of bad things. He did a lot of bad things and he is an interventionist. It's not my problem that he bought the lies. Every politician did that. Speaking of that... why is the argument "he has simply been brainwashed by these mainstream views" right after the argument is "at least he isn't brainwashed and is against the establishment. The way I see it, he is for the establishment. He wants more government control. That is why he supported big government as governor.
It seems that you come into every thread about Ventura and spew this bullshit. At least half of your accusations are flat out wrong. I suggest you back up what you say with references from now on, because from what I've seen, there's no reason for anybody to believe a word you say.
Why don't you start with "an expensive light rail system that no one uses." That should be an easy one to back up with facts.
MRoCkEd
03-13-2010, 02:36 PM
At first I really liked Jesse. His views on foreign policy, torture, and civil liberties sounded great. In terms of economics, all I heard was him complaining about the debt and the income tax. However, my high esteem for him changed around the time of the bailouts. He said it was "hard to tell" whether they were the right call. More recently, he said "the crisis showed pure capitalism doesn't work and we need part socialism." On Larry King, he defended state-run healthcare. His heart is in the right place, but he's completely clueless on economic issues.
For Glenn Beck, my opinion of him has improved over time. He used to be a bloodthirsty warmonger and proponent of government intrusion into our lives. However, he was right when he said "I think I become more libertarian every day."
He has done a lot of research on the progressive movement and has read books on economics such as Tom Woods' Meltdown. Since the time he thought perhaps the bailout was the right call, he has become very much an economic libertarian, bringing on people like Tom Woods, Peter Schiff, and Ron Paul to talk about topics never discussed anywhere else such as the Federal Reserve and the forgotten depression of 1920.
On civil liberties, he has had serious discussions about the idea of "sacrificing liberty for security" which I believe are sincere internal conflicts. While he used to wholeheartedly support the Patriot Act, he has said recently that he has bad feelings about it and could be convinced that it should be repealed. In the past days, he has strongly criticized the plan for a National ID card.
With foreign policy, Glenn has gone from someone who believed it would be shameful to withdraw from Iraq to someone who seriously questions our presence overseas. He no longer believes we should be the policeman of the world, and has said we should withdraw from Korea and Europe and has at least flirted with the idea of pulling out of the middle east completely. Although he has called Iran a threat, he also said any military action or sanctions against them would be horrible.
The issue of questioning the 9/11 story is where he loses many of us. His reaction to "truthers" seems completely insane. However, this is not a new or surprising phenomenon for him. If you follow his show at all, you know that he built his new life around the event. He was an alcoholic who suddenly "woke up" on that day. His transformation in response to 9/11 was so important to him that he created a whole project based on it, called "9/12". I believe he is so hostile to "9/11 truth" because it disrupts the story he has built his life on. His personal recovery and his show project might have been based on lies, and this is too much for him to handle. Again, I don't agree with his hatred for "9/11 truthers," but I at least understand some of the psychology behind it.
I reject the idea that he is controlled opposition, hellbent on convincing us he's a friend of freedom and then calling for something incredibly unlibertarian. How would the establishment benefit from this? None of us are going to support him if he says we should vote for Mitt Romney. All he's doing is giving the typical GOP Fox News watchers some new libertarian ideas to consider. Think of some of the people Glenn Beck has on his show: Judge Napolitano, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, John Stossel, Penn Jillette, Michael Scheuer, and more. He's the best pundit with a show, and I for one am glad he's on TV.
Just some thoughts...
Jeremy
03-13-2010, 03:00 PM
It seems that you come into every thread about Ventura and spew this bullshit. At least half of your accusations are flat out wrong. I suggest you back up what you say with references from now on, because from what I've seen, there's no reason for anybody to believe a word you say.
Why don't you start with "an expensive light rail system that no one uses." That should be an easy one to back up with facts.
http://www.angelfire.com/mn/rongstadliberty/ventura.html
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2246499&postcount=2
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1663641&postcount=52
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=246748&postcount=11
http://www.grist.org/article/ness-ventura/
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/200212/17_mccalluml_venturalegacy/
As Gov. Jesse Ventura prepares to leave office, he ends a term that saw one of the most dramatic four-year shifts in Minnesota's financial picture. Ventura inherited a $4 billion surplus, and leaves office with the state facing a $4.5 billion deficit. Will he be remembered as the man at the helm when the state's economy took a nosedive? Or as a competent CEO who left a lasting stamp on state government?
Ninja Homer
03-13-2010, 03:06 PM
At first I really liked Jesse. His views on foreign policy, torture, and civil liberties sounded great. In terms of economics, all I heard was him complaining about the debt and the income tax. However, my high esteem for him changed around the time of the bailouts. He said it was "hard to tell" whether they were the right call. More recently, he said "the crisis showed pure capitalism doesn't work and we need part socialism." On Larry King, he defended state-run healthcare. His heart is in the right place, but he's completely clueless on economic issues.
I agree... he's right about the things he really studies, but he's still clueless on economics. The thing is, all Ventura is right now is an author, and he has his conspiracy show. He isn't in office, isn't running for office, and doesn't write or speak about economics, so why is he even questioned on economics?
I reject the idea that he is controlled opposition, hellbent on convincing us he's a friend of freedom and then calling for something incredibly unlibertarian. How would the establishment benefit from this? None of us are going to support him if he says we should vote for Mitt Romney. All he's doing is giving the typical GOP Fox News watchers some new libertarian ideas to consider. Think of some of the people Glenn Beck has on his show: Judge Napolitano, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, John Stossel, Penn Jillette, Michael Scheuer, and more. He's the best pundit with a show, and I for one am glad he's on TV.
To me, it's obvious that Beck changed his tune to gain support of the liberty movement. The liberty movement is the establishment's greatest fear. If Beck were to gain their trust and be seen as a leader of the movement, then he can steer them and do things like discredit Medina and try to get them to support Palin. I don't think it's going to work, because the liberty movement is an untrusting group that can't be steered, but I do think that was their plan.
Beck does not spread conspiracy stuff like this. I have listened to him quite a bit off and on. He can theorize sometimes, and voices concerns. Being an emotional guy(to say the least) it can come off as very edgy. But compared to Alex Jones or Ventura it does not even register. I have been stabbed ZERO times by Beck. Truthers may feel they have been stabbed....but not I. I do not agree with Beck on everything he says, but I really grow suspicious of all the vehement attacks against him on this board.
If we were to list all MSM personalities, Beck would be one of the least damaging. He actually presents many libertarian arguments WELL. He does not chase off his audience with crazy conspiracy stuff like many do here. It's the single biggest impediment for this movement is the conspiracy theorists. I am all for delving into any subject, but I need objectivity, logic, and reason to be the tools.
Beck attacked Ventura because he acted like an ass behind closed doors, because Beck was not talking about this stuff ten years ago. Beck readily admitted that he started to understand the gravity of it all when the economic crisis hit. So have many Americans. But by all means let's insult them and tell them they have no right to speak, and meanwhile try and foist crazy conspiracy theories on them.
I don't defend beck when he does stupid things, he certainly held a view on the war which I disagree with whole heatedly. But when I look around at MSM talk show hosts I would like to see gone Beck is like last on my list. He is very receptive to libertarian ideas, but he does have a tendency to reject the totally unfounded conspiracy krap...and that I like.
And anyways who the hell stabbed you in the back? He voices his opinions if you do not agree with them fine. But stabbed you in the back? Common.
For the most part alex and his guests where right 10 years ago.What beck knows now he would have called it conspiracy 10 years ago.Beck calls venture a conspiracy nut and other things,but in 10 years will agree with alot of it.
DAFTEK
03-14-2010, 07:05 AM
Silverhandover and John taylor are Glen Beck drones
Among a few other idiots on this board, sorry but calling Beck and asset of ours? :eek: lol... what a dumb ass troll....
They wouldnt be trolls if they could hold an argument with facts
Chester Copperpot
03-14-2010, 07:11 AM
Jesse Ventura is nuts. I listened to this guy spread the craziest conspiracy stuff I have ever heard. I could care less if someone attacks venture for his conspiracy beliefs. Venture does hold some good positions, but this is totally overshadowed by his ridiculous conspiracy theories.
Ever read operation northwoods? I have to agree with Jesse when he says that if it was on the table as an option in 1961, it very well could have been on the table as an option in 2001...
speciallyblend
03-14-2010, 07:19 AM
beck is a douchebag
YouTube - Jump Smokers 'Don't be a Douchebag' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ee3xemyQjI)
Obvious the gettlemen above has nver heard of operation northwoods. He should do a lille more research.
There are some Beck lovers on this fourm that cant hold an argument with facts.
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