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easycougar
03-11-2010, 09:05 PM
I swear there's something every day now...

http://in.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idINN1121606420100311?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true


WRAPUP 1-Toyota discounts boost sales, US mulls 'black box'
Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:24am IST

* Edmunds, dealers say Toyota US sales surged in March

* Industry-wide sales seen near 12.5 mln sales rate

* U.S. federal regulator weighs 'black box' requirement

By Kevin Krolicki and John Crawley

DETROIT/WASHINGTON, March 11 (Reuters) - Unprecedented discounts after a series of damaging recalls boosted Toyota Motor Corp's (7203.T) (TM.N) U.S. sales in early March, as U.S. regulators weighed new auto safety measures.

Toyota's U.S. sales surged by nearly 50 percent in the first eight days of March compared with the year-ago period due to zero-percent financing offers and other incentives, industry tracking service Edmunds.com and dealers said on Thursday.

Edmunds, which analyzes U.S. auto sales trends, also estimated that Toyota's U.S. retail market share in early March had jumped to 16.8 percent, up sharply from 12.8 percent a month earlier when safety problems had sent sales tumbling.

"What they're doing right now is they are picking low-hanging fruit," said Chester Schriesheim, professor at the University of Miami School of Business Administration.

"These are the people who are undecided about the brand but given the lower price, now that provides incentives to go ahead and purchase," he said. "But they're going to exhaust that pool of individuals and then they'll find it harder in the longer term to raise the prices backward."

The early sales estimate comes a week after Toyota launched the most aggressive discounts in its history to win over U.S. consumers and recover from an embarrassing slew of product safety problems that have tarnished its reputation and cut into sales and financial results.

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration chief David Strickland told a congressional hearing on Thursday that the regulator is considering whether to make "black boxes" mandatory for all new vehicles.

The devices can capture data on speed, braking effort and other details which can be vital in reconstructing accidents.

Toyota has recalled more than 8 million vehicles globally to address the risk that accelerator pedals on a range of its vehicles could become stuck because of a loose floor mat or a glitch in the pedal assembly.

Unintended acceleration in the company's Toyota and Lexus vehicles has been linked to at least five U.S. crash deaths since 2007. Authorities are investigating 47 other Toyota crash deaths over the past decade.

TOYOTA, GM BOOST MARCH INDUSTRY SALES

Edmunds.com said that industrywide U.S. auto sales are tracking to hit a rate of 12.5 million vehicles in March because of the steep discounts on Toyota vehicles and a competitive campaign launched by General Motors Co [GM.UL].

GM is offering car shoppers rebates of up to $3,000 on vehicles including the Malibu mid-size sedan, or zero-percent financing.

Toyota, which has traditionally spurned such discount programs in order to protect resale values, has offered up to $3,000 in rebates and dealer incentives on a range of vehicles, including its top-selling Camry, or cut-rate financing.

Both manufacturers are offering steeper discounts on their competing full-size pickup trucks, GM's Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra and the Toyota Tundra.

Edmunds said GM's sales incentives lifted Chevy's retail market share to 12.9 percent, up from 11.4 percent a month earlier.

Several major Toyota dealers said their own sales were running slightly higher than the Edmunds estimate through Tuesday. That would mark a sharp reversal from sales declines in January and February tied to the automaker's recall crisis.

Paul Atkinson, president of the Toyota national dealers' council and a Toyota dealer in Texas, said he expected that the March sales boost from incentives would mirror what the automaker saw during the 2009 "cash for clunkers" program.

Toyota was the big winner from that U.S. government-funded scrappage program, which offered tax credits of up to $4,500 to swap out of older and less fuel-efficient vehicles.

Toyota had a 19.4 percent share of vehicles sold under the "clunkers" program which ran from late July through the third week of August 2009. Toyota's share was the highest in the industry.

"I truly believe that March could rival cash for clunkers," Atkinson said.

Sales at his own dealership in early March were running at three times the level of January and February, he said. Customers shopping for the bargains do not appear concerned by Toyota's recalls, he said.

"Honestly, I think the public has had enough," he said.

Just this week, as Toyota sought to shift attention away from the safety problems, at least three U.S. drivers reported new cases of driving Prius or Lexus vehicles that appeared to surge out of control.

Atkinson has encouraged Toyota dealers to protest GM's incentives in March, saying they amounted to a taxpayer-funded program of discounts because the U.S. government funded GM's restructuring in bankruptcy with $50 billion in aid.

"We just want a level playing field," he told Reuters. "These GM incentives are kind of like using tax dollars to encourage my fellow citizens to not do business with me."

GM has defended its use of incentives, saying such discounts are a well-established part of the way cars are sold in the U.S. market. (Additional reporting by Soyoung Kim in Detroit, Editing by Gerald E. McCormick, Tim Dobbyn and Matthew Lewis)

Rael
03-11-2010, 11:11 PM
I'm sure that will stimulate the new car market

Fox McCloud
03-12-2010, 12:38 AM
great, a new device that will jack up the price of the car a good $200-$500 (or more) dollars and yet another thing to go wrong on a car....even worse, something that shouldn't be there to begin with (unless the auto manufacturer wants to voluntarily install them).

Translation? Higher automobile prices and less of a chance for the working class and poor to easily get their hands on a car without going into even more debt.

mrsat_98
03-12-2010, 06:41 AM
Kewl something else to hack. I give it six months before someone somewhere releases software to manipulate the data.

Semper Vigilans
03-12-2010, 09:41 AM
I hate to tell you guys, but these have been in most vehicles since 2000. OBDIII will make it worse, and allow "them" to shut down your vehicle remotely. OnStar is just a preview.

Pericles
03-12-2010, 11:30 AM
Already got way too much superfluous electronics on cars now - it need to go back to mechanical operation by getting the regulations out of the way.

Romulus
03-12-2010, 11:39 AM
Yeah, Onstar has been their central control for awhile now.

Warrior_of_Freedom
03-12-2010, 01:47 PM
New cars are garbage. Drive cars made before 1990.

pcosmar
03-12-2010, 02:08 PM
New cars are garbage. Drive cars made before 1990.

I'm thinking older.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3293358614_714dd769bc_o.jpg

btw, I do restorations.;)

Old Ducker
03-12-2010, 02:20 PM
I'm thinking older.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3293358614_714dd769bc_o.jpg

btw, I do restorations.;)

I had one of those, 1952 model, except mine lacked the side windows. Does yours have the 216 CI engine?

pcosmar
03-12-2010, 02:40 PM
I had one of those, 1952 model, except mine lacked the side windows. Does yours have the 216 CI engine?

Had, :(
1950 model. (the same from 49 to 53)
Mine had the Blue Flame engine. I was trying to get the multiple carb set up, when Hurricane Wilma hit.
I didn't bring it to Michigan with me. A decision I regret.
http://jamadots.com/~pcosmar/photos/photogallery/03-wilma-flood_jpg.jpeg.html

gls
03-12-2010, 02:49 PM
Translation? Higher automobile prices and less of a chance for the working class and poor to easily get their hands on a car without going into even more debt.

This was the reason for the "cash for clunkers" program. Liberals and other big government types hate poor people.

Old Ducker
03-12-2010, 03:04 PM
Had, :(
1950 model. (the same from 49 to 53)
Mine had the Blue Flame engine. I was trying to get the multiple carb set up, when Hurricane Wilma hit.
I didn't bring it to Michigan with me. A decision I regret.
http://jamadots.com/~pcosmar/photos/photogallery/03-wilma-flood_jpg.jpeg.html

I spot another difference. Mine had dual doors in the rear. They were good trucks and the engine, if taken care of, would practically last forever except that the main bearings were babbited so it was wise to keep it off the freeway.

tmosley
03-12-2010, 03:08 PM
New cars are garbage. Drive cars made before 1990.

This is exactly what I was thinking. My next vehicle will be a pre-95 Toyota truck.