Why does the US Dept. of Education need riot guns?

[Anti Federalist]

https://www.fbo.gov/index?&s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&tabmode=list

Added: Mar 08, 2010 10:39 am

The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14" - PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT - XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID - 14"

LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

The required date of delivery is March 22, 2010.

Interested sources must submit detailed technical capabilities and any other information that demonstrates their ability to meet the requirements above, no later than March 12, 2010 at 12 PM, E.S.T. Any quotes must be submitted electronically to the attention of Holly.Le@ed.gov, Contract Specialist (Contract Operations Group), with a concurrent copy to Sherese.Lewis@ed.gov, Contracting Officer (Contract Operations Group).

[__27__]

I think the article got it wrong. That's the US Dept. of Re-Education, right?

[Philhelm]

Unless the firearms are for show-and-tell, and to veer away from the indoctrination of the irrational fear of firearms, the DOE should piss off. But, we all know what this is for: the further militarization of all of our government agencies.

[Anti Federalist]

Also note worthy is that these are NFA restricted 14" barrel shotguns.

Very expensive and difficult for a mundane to own.

[phill4paul]

https://www.fbo.gov/index?&s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&tabmode=list

Added: Mar 08, 2010 10:39 am

The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14" - PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT - XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID - 14"

LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

The required date of delivery is March 22, 2010.

Interested sources must submit detailed technical capabilities and any other information that demonstrates their ability to meet the requirements above, no later than March 12, 2010 at 12 PM, E.S.T. Any quotes must be submitted electronically to the attention of Holly.Le@ed.gov, Contract Specialist (Contract Operations Group), with a concurrent copy to Sherese.Lewis@ed.gov, Contracting Officer (Contract Operations Group).

I'm seeing a trend...

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.


http://beforeitsnews.com/story/15518/The_IRS_is_buying_Shotguns.html

[lynnf]

https://www.fbo.gov/index?&s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&tabmode=list

Added: Mar 08, 2010 10:39 am

The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14" - PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT - XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID - 14"

LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.


The required date of delivery is March 22, 2010.

Interested sources must submit detailed technical capabilities and any other information that demonstrates their ability to meet the requirements above, no later than March 12, 2010 at 12 PM, E.S.T. Any quotes must be submitted electronically to the attention of Holly.Le@ed.gov, Contract Specialist (Contract Operations Group), with a concurrent copy to Sherese.Lewis@ed.gov, Contracting Officer (Contract Operations Group).



every Tom, Dick, and Harry government organization is starting their own police force now, rather than hiring rent-a-cops like they used to. real police have more power and thus project more power to the owning organization.

[phill4paul]

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase...

No they WILL purchase it. How ineffectual do you feel upon that revelation?

[RM918]

You have clearly never tried teaching calculus to a bunch of high school students.

They're necessary.

[__27__]

You have clearly never tried teaching calculus to a bunch of high school students.

They're necessary.

fo realz



YouTube - High School High Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLf2PusBhFQ)

[johngr]

I think the article got it wrong. That's the US Dept. of Re-Education, right?

No, they didn't get it wrong. Just think: No Child Left Behind.

[johngr]

There is an obvious answer that I think you're all missing: to take "No Child Left Behind" to a new level.

[FreeTraveler]

Why does the US Dept. of Education need riot guns?

If you're going to incarcerate people for 8 hours a day, but you're not allowed to actually build walls to hold them in, you'll need good guns. :D

[tropicangela]

Info from other sources that attempt to *explain* these government requests.

Special IRS agent
http://www.irs.gov/irm/part9/irm_09-002-001.html#d0e567

All special agents must participate in semi-annual shotgun training.

Dept of Ed Inspector General Office
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2467911/replies?c=49

I did speak with the special agent in charge of the Chicago Office of the Dept of Ed Inspector General office. The work of the IG office includes investigations into fraud and misuse of Dept. of Ed funds. This takes them into environments where they must deal with the criminal element including some bad actors who are armed. Like many others here, I had a hard time connecting the dots between shotguns and the Dept. of Ed. but it is easier to understand in the context of a mandate to investigate criminal fraud.

[Pericles]

Info from other sources that attempt to *explain* these government requests.

Special IRS agent
http://www.irs.gov/irm/part9/irm_09-002-001.html#d0e567 (http://www.irs.gov/irm/part9/irm_09-002-001.html#d0e567)


Dept of Ed Inspector General Office
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2467911/replies?c=49 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2467911/replies?c=49)

Where is the BARF smiley?

[DapperDan]

Where is the BARF smiley?

http://forums.macresource.com/smileys/barf.gif




The State needs to protect itself from dissolving or being dismantled duh!

[Krugerrand]

Classic case of weapon envy with the IRS.

[Pericles]

Unless the firearms are for show-and-tell, and to veer away from the indoctrination of the irrational fear of firearms, the DOE should piss off. But, we all know what this is for: the further militarization of all of our government agencies.

Its not nearly enough to teach proper shotgun techniques to high school students, so we can be certain of a more nefarious purpose.

[Anti Federalist]

Why does the US Dept. of Education need riot guns?

If you're going to incarcerate people for 8 hours a day, but you're not allowed to actually build walls to hold them in, you'll need good guns. :D

Nicely done.

Wish I had thought of that. :)

[Pericles]

http://forums.macresource.com/smileys/barf.gif



Thanks - that was the only way to express my feelings.

[jmdrake]

YouTube - Senator Obama's "Civilian National Security Force" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdF5TQIv1fU)

[tropicangela]

This topic made it to the WP blog yesterday.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/education-secretary-duncan/ed-department-buying-27-shotgu.html

[IPSecure]

Why does the US Dept. of Education need riot guns? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?235286-Why-does-the-US-Dept.-of-Education-need-riot-guns)


This: Dept. of Education (SWAT) breaks down family's door for defaulted student loan? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?297386-Dept.-of-Education-%28SWAT%29-breaks-down-family-s-door-for-defaulted-student-loan)

[nandnor]

nvm

[pcosmar]

This: Dept. of Education (SWAT) breaks down family's door for defaulted student loan? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?297386-Dept.-of-Education-%28SWAT%29-breaks-down-family-s-door-for-defaulted-student-loan)

Apparently AF was just being "A Sensationalist" with the OP.

:rolleyes:

[thehungarian]

i think youth needs to be controlled to achieve public education policy goals and with some problematic students that means compulsion is necessary. for public good the policy must be enforced.

/s ??? I can't tell.

[NewRightLibertarian]

/s ??? I can't tell.

Gotta be.

[pcosmar]

i think youth needs to be controlled to achieve public education policy goals and with some problematic students that means compulsion is necessary. for public good the policy must be enforced.

Nope, In another thread you are posting shit contrary to the Spirit and Guidelines of the forum.
Are you a deliberate Troll?

[mac_hine]

Ron Paul : Gun Control? Disarm The Bureaucrats!

October 20, 1997

Proves that while faces, parties change, Congress stays the same
By US Representative Ron Paul

A cursory reading of the Constitution makes it clear that there was never meant to be a federal police force. The Constitution, the highest law of the land, explicitly defines the role of federal government and correctly reserves the authority, power and responsibility for police activities to local government. Why? Because it is at that level where potential abuses can be minimized by a watchful citizenry.

Even an "FBI" style of federal agency, limited only to being a resource for investigations, was not accepted until this century. Yet today, fueled by the federal government's misdirected and misapplied war on drugs, the hysteria surrounding radical environmentalism, and the aggressive dictates of the nanny state, we have witnessed the massive buildup of a virtual army of armed regulators prowling the states. This buildup is the direct result of the sacrifice of individual responsibility and the concept of local control by many Americans.

The enforcement of the interventionist, welfare-warfare state requires a growing army of thriving bureaucrats. With special interests demanding favors, federal office-holders can only meet those demands by abusing the rights of those who produce wealth and cherish liberty. The resentment of those being abused is then directed at the government agents who come to collect, even though those agents are merely the front-men for the special interests and their elected puppets. As resentment toward these agents increases and becomes more hostile, the natural consequence has been for the bureaucrats - the intruders upon liberty - to arm themselves as protection against the angry victims of government abuse.

Thanks to a recent article by Joseph Farah, director of the Western Journalism Center of Sacramento, CA, the surge in the number of armed federal bureaucrats has been brought to our attention. Farah points out that in 1996 alone, at least 2,439 new federal agents were authorized to carry firearms. This brings the total up to nearly 60,000. Farah points out that these increases were not only in agencies like the FBI, but include the EPA, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife department, and the Army Corps of Engineers.

According to Farah, even the Bureau of Land Management wants to be armed. Farah logically asks, "When will the (National Endowment for the Arts) have its armed art cops?" This is a dangerous, and ironic, trend. Ironic in that the proliferation of guns for bureaucrats is being so firmly - though admittedly stealthily - pushed by the same antigun politicians who publicly work to disarm every law-abiding American citizen in the name of safety. Which begs the question, "Safety for whom?"

On one level I agree whole-heartily with the anti-gun activists. We desperately need gun control: we need to control the bureaucrats, disarm them, and then abolish their agencies. There is no constitutional basis for the EPA, and certainly no constitutional reason for allowing EPA agents to pack pistols as they declare every inch of your property a protected "wetland."

Force and intimidation are the preferred tools of tyrants, though not just intimidation with government guns. The threat of imprisonment and fear of harassment by government agents strikes terror into the hearts of millions of Americans. Four days after Paula Jones refused a settlement in her celebrated suit against the president, she received notice that she and her husband would be audited for their 1995 taxes. Since 1994 is the current "year" for which the IRS is conducting audits of returns, the government claim that the action is unrelated to the suit is suspect, to say the least.

Even if it is coincidental, do not try to convince the American people. Most Americans, justifiably cynical and untrusting toward the federal government, know the evidence exists that since the 1970's both Republican and Democratic administrations have not hesitated to intimidate their political enemies with IRS audits and regulatory harassment. Though the average IRS agent does not carry a gun, the threat of incarceration and seizure of property is backed up by many guns. All government power is ultimately gun power, and serves the interests of those who despise or do not comprehend the principles of liberty.

I tend to agree with Charlton Heston, who recently said that the Constitution's Second Amendment is the most important. Without the ability to protect themselves and their property, discussion of any other rights is only so much talk.

A gun in the hand of a law-abiding citizen serves as a very real, very important deterrent to an arrogant and aggressive government. Guns in the hands of the bureaucrats do the opposite. The founders of this country fully understood this fact, it's a shame our generation has ignored it

Ron Paul represents the 14th District of Texas.
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst97/tst102097.htm


Is Ron Paul ever wrong?

[White Bear Lake]

Better Question: Why does the US need the department of education?

[Sola_Fide]

Troubling days ahead my friends....

[awake]

The only thing the state knows how to build are prisons, "schools" not withstanding.

[JoshLowry]

Public buildings like schools are easily converted into other uses. Ever notice how the more recent ones are built?

After-school detention is what our future President will call American detainees. :p

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.fbo.gov/index?&s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&tabmode=list

Added: Mar 08, 2010 10:39 am

The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14" - PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT - XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID - 14"

LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

The required date of delivery is March 22, 2010.

Interested sources must submit detailed technical capabilities and any other information that demonstrates their ability to meet the requirements above, no later than March 12, 2010 at 12 PM, E.S.T. Any quotes must be submitted electronically to the attention of Holly.Le@ed.gov, Contract Specialist (Contract Operations Group), with a concurrent copy to Sherese.Lewis@ed.gov, Contracting Officer (Contract Operations Group).

Great catch AF! You called that one.
(Not that it's anything to celebrate.)

[heavenlyboy34]

Better Question: Why does the US need the department of education?
To promote mediocre education and make predatory loans (i.e. student loans). ;) Who else would dumb down the kiddies were it not for the DOE?

[AFPVet]

18.5" to 20" barrels are best IMO. 14" barrels are too limited. Sure, the fast burning shotgun powder (much like pistol powder) burns up at a short length but the pattern is going to lose cohesion too quick unless they have full chokes.

On a related note, I like my rifle carbines to be 16" to 18" in length and in .308 chambering :)

Regarding the topic, the USDOE arming up is like the IRS... this is getting out of hand.

[Anti Federalist]

Well, now it is clear why DOE needs NFA restricted "sawed off" shotguns, isn't it?

God knows what other types of military hardware they have as well.

[Anti Federalist]

Public buildings like schools are easily converted into other uses. Ever notice how the more recent ones are built?

After-school detention is what our future President will call American detainees. :p

No Shit!!! That!!!

I have to look very closely, and until you see the concertina wire, you can't tell, prison...school...school...prison?

[timosman]

bump

[pcosmar]

18.5" to 20" barrels are best IMO. 14" barrels are too limited. Sure, the fast burning shotgun powder (much like pistol powder) burns up at a short length but the pattern is going to lose cohesion too quick unless they have full chokes.



Don't need a close pattern to clear hallways.

and one is even legal for mundanes.

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