An Orwellian chill up my spine.

[LibertyWorker]

I was watching the debate today on C-SPAN about the Afghanistan war I was sitting there and realized the Afghanistan war has been going on for almost a third of my life and that some of my children have never lived in a country that was not at war.ergo the Orwellian chill up the spine is it possible that my children will never know life without war or will war become the new normal.

Just scary...and sad:(

[Andrew-Austin]

The troops are over there fighting for your freedom to read books like 1984, and yet all you do is bitch. We only have peace at home because the troops are waging war overseas against the evil men in caves and bunkers.











Just kidding.

[Brett]

War is the normal for me. In third grade for me we were attacked, and I was told we needed to fight to prevent the same from happening to me.

Then in 2008 some man named Dr Paul cured my apathy.

War is normal for so many people in my generation.

[Legend1104]

The troops are over there fighting for your freedom to read books like 1984, and yet all you do is bitch. We only have peace at home because the troops are waging war overseas against the evil men in caves and bunkers.











Just kidding.


Wow! You really had me going.

[sevin]

War is normal for so many people in my generation.

:(

It will be interesting to see how your generation turns out -- whether they eventually get fed up and reject war or continue to embrace it.

[LibertyMage]

Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

[tremendoustie]

I was watching the debate today on C-SPAN about the Afghanistan war I was sitting there and realized the Afghanistan war has been going on for almost a third of my life and that some of my children have never lived in a country that was not at war.ergo the Orwellian chill up the spine is it possible that my children will never know life without war or will war become the new normal.

Just scary...and sad:(

That was the scariest part of that Australian video mocking U.S. stupidity. The question: "Who should we invade next" -- and plenty of people answered -- Korea, Iran, Italy (believe it or not), etc. As if invading countries is just what the U.S. does.

[KCIndy]

That was the scariest part of that Australian video mocking U.S. stupidity. The question: "Who should we invade next" -- and plenty of people answered -- Korea, Iran, Italy (believe it or not), etc. As if invading countries is just what the U.S. does.


That's where the "Ignorance is Strength" part of 1984 comes into play.

:(

[KCIndy]

War is the normal for me. In third grade for me we were attacked, and I was told we needed to fight to prevent the same from happening to me.

Then in 2008 some man named Dr Paul cured my apathy.

War is normal for so many people in my generation.


Brett, are you saying that you were in third grade at the time of the 9-11 attacks? If you don't mind my asking, that makes you what, about 17 now? I'm not trying to pry, just curious.

[BuddyRey]

I'm probably a little bit older than the OP, but believe it or not, I honestly can't remember a single moment of my life in which the U.S. government wasn't at war (or at least Unconstitutionally invading or monkeywrenching) with some other country. Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua; then Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan... and Iraq again! And it always seems to be some insignificant little speck on the globe that couldn't possibly pose a threat to the U.S.

[btalex1990]

I'm probably a little bit older than the OP, but believe it or not, I honestly can't remember a single moment of my life in which the U.S. government wasn't at war (or at least Unconstitutionally invading or monkeywrenching) with some other country. Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua; then Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan... and Iraq again! And it always seems to be some insignificant little speck on the globe that couldn't possibly pose a threat to the U.S.

you forgot Vietnam. We stayed over there god and christ knows in heaven how long. wars may even last forever if your always obsessed with war.

[A. Havnes]

War is the normal for me. In third grade for me we were attacked, and I was told we needed to fight to prevent the same from happening to me.

Then in 2008 some man named Dr Paul cured my apathy.

War is normal for so many people in my generation.

Wow! I was just thinking, I was 15 (turning 16 later) when the towers came down, but I was never told that we needed to fight to prevent it again. However, I do remember the insane surge in patriotism and war mongering that accompanied it the day after the fact. Afterwards, we were kind of left in the dark over the details of the war.

[CoreyBowen999]

War is the normal for me. In third grade for me we were attacked, and I was told we needed to fight to prevent the same from happening to me.

Then in 2008 some man named Dr Paul cured my apathy.

War is normal for so many people in my generation.

yeah I was in third grade also :/

[KCIndy]

All other conversation aside, I would like to congratulate the younger members here for taking an interest in politics and world events, and the role of the U.S. in same. The fact that many of the "next generation" are supporters of freedom and liberty give me more hope for the future than anything else.

Good job, guys!

[Cowlesy]

all other conversation aside, i would like to congratulate the younger members here for taking an interest in politics and world events, and the role of the u.s. In same. The fact that many of the "next generation" are supporters of freedom and liberty give me more hope for the future than anything else.

Good job, guys!

+1000

[amy31416]

For anyone who's interested how their congressjerk voted on Kucinich's resolution:

http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2010/h/98

Only 5 Republicans voted "aye," with RP being one of them, of course.

[rancher89]

All other conversation aside, I would like to congratulate the younger members here for taking an interest in politics and world events, and the role of the U.S. in same. The fact that many of the "next generation" are supporters of freedom and liberty give me more hope for the future than anything else.

Good job, guys!

qft & +1776

You young folks give me hope. I'm assuming that you were homeschooled?:D If not, you are to be doubly congratulated for being able to think for yourself. KUDOS

[fisharmor]

All other conversation aside, I would like to congratulate the younger members here for taking an interest in politics and world events, and the role of the U.S. in same. The fact that many of the "next generation" are supporters of freedom and liberty give me more hope for the future than anything else.

Good job, guys!

Ditto. I will also add this piece of advice, which is something I had to make it into my thirties before I really fully realized....

The people in charge seldom have any clue what they're doing. It holds true in politics, government, business, church, and hobbies. Most of them got to be in charge because worthy leaders like yourselves see clearly that a desire to lead is fairly incompatible with liberty.

Don't let them push you around because you're young. You're right, and that counts for more. If you have to disrespect them because they don't realize it, don't be ashamed of it. An old fool is still a fool.

These days characters like Rand, Kokesh, Schiff, and Harris are starting to come out of the woodwork not because they want to lead, but because we're at a critical point and if this shit doesn't stop, we're doomed.

So in the words of the sage Frank Zappa: register to vote, and then run for something.

[angelatc]

For anyone who's interested how their congressjerk voted on Kucinich's resolution:

http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2010/h/98

Only 5 Republicans voted "aye," with RP being one of them, of course.

5 is better than 1. I want more, of course, but 5 is better than 1.

[amy31416]

5 is better than 1. I want more, of course, but 5 is better than 1.

Indeed. It certainly piqued my curiosity about them:

John Campbell R-CA
John Duncan R-TN
Timothy Johnson R-IL
Walter Jones R-NC

[Todd]

5 is better than 1. I want more, of course, but 5 is better than 1.

It's the usual suspects
Paul...and then Duncan and Jones are pretty consistant lately. The other two I'm not so sure about

[rancher89]

Walter Jones (R) NC is one of the good guys, there are times where he strays, but I'd say he's around 95% right on target. That's good enough to not want to replace him.

[Erazmus]

The troops are over there fighting for your freedom to read books like 1984, and yet all you do is bitch. We only have peace at home because the troops are waging war overseas against the evil men in caves and bunkers.











Just kidding.

I've been away from the forums for some time...and I gotta say. You had me going just like a previous poster. Made me laugh, thanks for that. :)

[haaaylee]

yeah I was in third grade also :/


I was in the 10th grade, on Newspaper staff, the morning it happened. And we had to halt sending the paper off so we could include a story on it.


I do, however, remember in third grade when a friend of mine thought she had invented the phrase "Peace in the Middle East." and i had to tell her she wrong. And i wondered how long we would want that . . .

[KCIndy]

The people in charge seldom have any clue what they're doing. It holds true in politics, government, business, church, and hobbies.


No truer words have ever been spoken! That's great advice and I hope the younger generation takes it to heart.

Question authority.

You can do it politely, you can do it discreetly, you can do it humbly and respectfully, but ALWAYS question authority. Get a second opinion or a dissenting view, try to see things from the other perspective, examine the evidence with an open mind, and then make your decision.

[jmdrake]

As a kid I saw all of the old WW II flicks like "Midway". Some of the top TV shows were Hogan's Heros (in reruns) and Baa Baa Blacksheep. I thought war was cool and that it was too bad that we weren't in one. (Vietnam was a foggy memory.) It took a long time before my media induced brainwashing wore off.

[nobody's_hero]

Walter Jones (R) NC is one of the good guys, there are times where he strays, but I'd say he's around 95% right on target. That's good enough to not want to replace him.

Walter has experienced an awful lot of conviction over the war issue. I know that he has a soul, at least. Those are few and far between in Congress.

[Brett]

Brett, are you saying that you were in third grade at the time of the 9-11 attacks? If you don't mind my asking, that makes you what, about 17 now? I'm not trying to pry, just curious.

Sorry I didn't check the thread any sooner. And I'm 18.


I'm assuming that you were homeschooled?

Nope, public schooling all the way. I'm just naturally skeptical and enjoy reading.

[Icymudpuppy]

What's really surprising is the low number of democrat votes. Only 60.

How many democrats voted for the current administration and congressmen on a platform of ending the wars? How many democrats have a bumper sticker that reads "Endless war"

We need to let them know that their elected officials don't listen to them.

In my state, the only "Aye" vote was extreme socialist Jim McDermott.

[Sandman33]

YouTube - Bill Hicks- "There Never Was A War!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9eCx775Xr0)

YouTube - BILL HICKS on War & Freedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkZQ2Fx1j9E)

[Son of Detroit]

I was in 2nd grade when 9/11 happened. Still can remember that day like it happened last week.

[Matthew Zak]

I was watching the debate today on C-SPAN about the Afghanistan war I was sitting there and realized the Afghanistan war has been going on for almost a third of my life and that some of my children have never lived in a country that was not at war.ergo the Orwellian chill up the spine is it possible that my children will never know life without war or will war become the new normal.

Just scary...and sad:(

I hadn't thought of it like that. :(