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Galileo Galilei
03-10-2010, 03:57 PM
25 reasons Why Ron Paul can win in 2012 (Summary)

Here is a summary of what Ron Paul has going for him to win the GOP nomination in 2012:

1) Rand Paul is polling at 44% and is up by 21% in his primary for US Senate in Kentucky. Rand has outfundraised the anointed GOP choice (Trey Grayson) by a 3 to 2 ratio over the past 6 months; $1.8 million to $ 1.2 million. Rand out-polls the likely democrat in the general election by about 15%.

If Rand can win, Ron Paul can win.

2) CPAC Straw Poll; Ron Paul won with 31%, Romney was second with 22%, Palin third at 7%, then Pawlenty at 6%, Mike Pence (congressman from Indiana) 5%, Huckabee 4%. Last year in 2009, Paul had finished tied for third with Palin, while Romney won it ( I can't remember who got 2nd).

When Ron Paul wins nationally promoted straw polls, it creates the perception he can win.

3) Ron Paul just won his House seat primary by a whopping 70%. He won 81% to 11%. Ron Paul will grab more headlines when he wins the general election in November.

This creates the perception Ron can win. The greatest enemy to Ron is the mass media created perception that he can't win.

4) Ron Paul has often been described as irrelevant because he has never sponsored major legislation into law, nor has he ever even gained national media for his legislation. That has now changed. Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill has passed the House with 317 sponsors, and is in the Senate with over 30 sponsors. This legislation is not going away. It will keep Ron Paul in the news during all of this year and 2011 for his legislative work. Rand Paul in the Senate also makes a big difference here.

5) The Tea Party movement backs Ron Paul. The only other leading GOP contender who has any tea party appeal is Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney is a phony and is not fooling anyone.

6) Every four years, we get an age shift in voters. New young voters tend to back Ron Paul, while old voters who have died since 2008 do not support Ron Paul. A four year shift is about 7% of the electorate.

7) Newspapers are against Ron Paul; they are going out of business or their circulation is declining. The Internet supports Ron Paul and it is on the rise.

8) Paul's leading contenders are Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee (if he runs).

All these candidates have weaknesses.

Huckabee has a cushy TV job, and doesn't seem ambitious enough to run.

Palin is widely viewed as unqualified to be president and has less money than Ron Paul.

Romney is a strong candidate, but he is a Mormon which hurts him among Christian conservatives. He was also a pro-abortion liberal governor of Massachusetts who now says he is a pro-life conservative. In other words, he's a phony. He does not anywhere near the organization of Ron Paul.

Pawlenty is the NWO choice for president. But he has low name recognition and is boring. He's also a liberal republican Governor from Minnesota with little appeal for conservatives. He is counting on the NWO media to help him.

9) The Economy; the weak economy plays into Ron Paul's hands to some extent.

10) End the Fed - Ron Paul's book gives him another outlet for his message. Unlike Mitt Romney's book, which is stone cold boring, people actually read Ron Paul's books.

11) Ron Paul is good for TV ratings and is getting a lot of national TV interviews on cable news like Fox, CNN, MSNBC and CNBC. Rand Paul is also getting a lot of national TV interviews.

12) Voters are getting used to Ron Paul's "odd" ideas.

13) Ron Paul is 74, but has the health and spunk of a 60 year old; he's not too old to run for president and serve one term in office.

14) Fund-raising - In the 4th quarter of 2007, Ron Paul was the # 1 GOP fundraiser. This was when he was below 10% in the polls. He will raise a lot more if he is at 15%-30% in the polls. Ron Paul could end up with more money to spend than Mitt Romney.

15) The NWO sets the pecking order when they start to do polls in early 2011. In 2007, Ron Paul was at 1% in these polls. Ron Paul will be at a minimum of 15% in the early 2011 polls, putting him among the viable contenders from the beginning.

16) The Wars in the Middle East - People are getting sick of these wars, and Ron Paul opposes them. Democrats who found out Obama was a phony might support Ron Paul.

17) 2012 is the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812, and will gain national attention. Interesting that the president during the War of 1812 was none other than James Madison, the Father of the U.S. Constitution.

James Madison is the ONLY president to follow the Constitution during a major war. Despite an invasion from the British Empire that included the burning of Buffalo and Washington, a siege upon Baltimore, and attack on New Orleans, the capture of Detroit, an Atlantic ocean naval blockade, and a secession movement in Hartford, Connecticut, James Madison never claimed special war powers, arrested dissidents, issued war propaganda, had a draft, or suspended habeas corpus, despite going up against the worlds greatest power with no income tax, no central bank, and not much of an army of navy. And we won it, gaining free trade for all American on the Great Lakes, Atlantic ocean, Mississippi river, West Indies, and Mediterranean Sea.

Word of what James Madison did in the War of 1812 might leak out to the people in 2011 and 2012.

18) A lot of people are getting sick of the war on drugs. Neither Bush or Obama will even consider legalizing medical marijuana, an issue which polls at 80% in favor of.

19) Ron Paul is the only candidate who can talk intelligently about the U.S. Constitution.

20) People are sick of the health care bill, and Ron Paul has credibility in opposing it. Ron Paul is also a medical doctor.

21) The Campaign For Liberty, Ron Paul's PAC, is raising lots of cash and forging many ties with key GOP leaders at the state level.

22) Rand Paul got the endorsements of the Ronald Reagan PAC, Sarah Palin, Steve Forbes, and the Gun Owners of America. Expect to see Ron Paul get some major endorsements, if Rand Paul can.

23) Ron Paul voted against all the bank bailouts.

24) Ron Paul has an army of volunteers that will hit every straw poll, from CPAC to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, to the county GOP straw poll at the annual meeting of John Doe County in all 50 States. He is going to win almost all of them.

25) Ron Paul has enough support to win the Ames Iowa Straw Poll in the summer of 2011. He got 1300 votes in 2007, and needs only about 5000 to win.

Ron Paul also has enough support to win the Southern Republican Leadership Conference Straw Poll on April 11.

Anti Federalist
03-10-2010, 04:04 PM
5) The Tea Party movement backs Ron Paul. The only other leading GOP contender who has any tea party appeal is Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney is a phony and is not fooling anyone.

LOL, Wut?

It's my understanding the "Tea Party" ran his primary opponents.

Galileo Galilei
03-10-2010, 04:08 PM
LOL, Wut?

It's my understanding the "Tea Party" ran his primary opponents.

Tea party voters vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul's opponents just claimed they went to some tea party rallies. That does not mean tea party voters backed them. They probably got most of their votes from neocons.

Elm
03-10-2010, 04:10 PM
I think you grossly overestimate many of those factors. Having an unrealistic view of the obstacles against us does us no favors.

Claiming that 'Romney isn't fooling anyone" is misleading - he has MANY supporters.

Palin's cash differential is meaningless, Ron outraised all his GOP opponents in 2008 and still lost.

If we dismiss credible threats we allow them to attack us without defense - this is what we must do to them.

Pericles
03-10-2010, 04:12 PM
You don't want to study the War of 1812. After initial success while Britain was busy fighting Napoleon, the Army and Navy were badly beaten by a more professional force.

The major US victory at New Orleans occurred weeks after the treaty ending the war was signed.

Anti Federalist
03-10-2010, 04:15 PM
Tea Party 'Revolution' Targets Ron Paul in GOP Primary


By Judson Berger

- FOXNews.com



Quote:
The Texas congressman who rattled the GOP establishment with his libertarian-leaning outsider run for president has suddenly found himself the target of the anti-incumbent Tea Party movement some credit him with helping inspire.





In this July 21, 2009, photo, Rep. Ron Paul questions Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke on Capitol Hill in Washington. (Reuters Photo)
Et tu, Tea Party?


The Texas congressman who rattled the Republican establishment with his libertarian-leaning outsider run for president has suddenly found himself the target of the anti-incumbent Tea Party movement some say he helped inspire.

Though Ron Paul may be the model of the grassroots-backed conservative candidate that Tea Party groups are looking for, the candidates challenging him in the Republican primary this year say the good doctor brought it on himself -- by spending too much time running for president and not enough time tending to his district, and being so prickly with congressional colleagues as to render himself obsolete.

"He's not being involved in his district," said Gerald Wall, one of three Tea Party-connected candidates running against Paul in the primary.
"He's unwilling to work with others, and people are unwilling to work with him, and so we have no voice in Congress," said candidate Tim Graney, calling Paul one of the most "ineffective" members on Capitol Hill.


Paul's son, Rand, is a Tea Party favorite in his race for Senate in Kentucky -- he was recently endorsed by Sarah Palin, who was the keynote speaker at the Tea Party Convention in Nashville earlier this month.
But Rand's dad appears to have fallen out of favor with some Tea Partiers. They say that while Ron Paul's fiscal conservative message is sound, he's a little too fond of pork-barrel projects and nowhere near tough enough on national security.

Texas Congressional District 14 is hardly the first place Tea Party-tied candidates are shaking up Republican primaries. One of the stated goals at the Nashville convention was to influence elections, and the intra-party turmoil is playing out in the Florida senatorial race and elsewhere.
But toppling Paul may send the message that nothing is sacred in the evolving movement.

"Congressman Paul is generally credited with helping to start the Tea Party movement back in 2007," said Paul's campaign manager Mark Elam, referring to a 2007 fundraiser that raked in $4.3 million timed to fall on the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. "It's very clear that that was the beginning of the Tea Party activities."

Elam said internal polling shows Paul safely above the fray in next month's primary and that he is "happy to take on all comers." And he said Paul spends plenty of time in his district.
The Texas congressman is something of a political force. He's become somewhat of a brand name among devout libertarians, and his 2008 presidential campaign supporters were among the most enthusiastic in the country. As of the end of last year, he had a 124-to-1 fundraising advantage over the most well-heeled of his challengers. Fundraising reports showed he had $1.9 million on hand, compared with the $15,508 Graney had amassed. The two other candidates, Wall and John Gay, had less than that.

"So far none of the candidates have shown a lot of traction," Elam said.
But the Paul campaign has nevertheless demonstrated that it is taking the primary challengers seriously.
Paul agreed to attend a local debate with the other Republican candidates this Saturday, a meeting sponsored by the Katy Tea Party Patriots, the group Graney was formally involved with before throwing his hat in the ring last October.

And in a campaign e-mail to supporters last month, Paul warned that his base needed to "fight back" to ensure the "anti-incumbent, anti-Washington sentiment" doesn't sweep him out of office.
"If we do not fight back, they may be successful," the e-mail said.
Graney, a small-business owner who never ran for office before, said that while Paul has established himself as a national voice on his favored issues, he's not representing his district well.

He and Wall, who helped organize a local tax day Tea Party rally last April, said the claim that Paul inspired the Tea Party movement is false.
Wall also criticized Paul for earmarking money in the budget. Paul, whose district was targeted for $72 million in earmarks in the 2010 budget according to one study, has defended the practice in the past, arguing that he earmarks money so that its use is designated -- and that he votes against all appropriations bills anyway.
But Wall doesn't buy the explanation.

"There is definitely a strong movement for a new candidate," he said.

Galileo Galilei
03-10-2010, 04:16 PM
I think you grossly overestimate many of those factors. Having an unrealistic view of the obstacles against us does us no favors.

Claiming that 'Romney isn't fooling anyone" is misleading - he has MANY supporters.

Palin's cash differential is meaningless, Ron outraised all his GOP opponents in 2008 and still lost.

If we dismiss credible threats we allow them to attack us without defense - this is what we must do to them.

Romney had more money than Ron Paul in 2007/2008. McCain raised more as welll. Ron Paul won one quarter, not counting Romney's personal money.

The "not foolijg anyone" is in reference to tea party votes. I don't think tea party voters will vote for Romney in the primary. I think they will back Ron Paul and Palin. If you have a reason to dispute this, please let us know.

If you can be more specific on the other items, that would be nice.

Elm
03-10-2010, 04:17 PM
Earmarks are a rallying cry for the ignorant and manipulated.

They are a drop in the bucket and not getting them is like catching a theif and not demanding one's posessions back.

erowe1
03-10-2010, 04:21 PM
In what was then a three-way primary, Ron Paul got 5% in Texas in the 2008 presidential primary. Debra Medina, who as great as she is is not as big of a name as Ron Paul, just got 19% in her 3-way primary. If the GOP primaries are tightly contested and the primary season ends up getting drawn out beyond Super Tuesday (unlikely, but very possible), then if he gets as high as 25% in the Texas primary, that would put him in the mix with the top candidates (whoever those may be) and garner him a good number of delegates.

If that happens in a whole bunch of states, then game on.

I don't think the war of 1812 will be an important issue in this race, however, notwithstanding your point 17.

Galileo Galilei
03-10-2010, 04:23 PM
You don't want to study the War of 1812. After initial success while Britain was busy fighting Napoleon, the Army and Navy were badly beaten by a more professional force.

The major US victory at New Orleans occurred weeks after the treaty ending the war was signed.

The U.S. also won major battles at Lake Champlain/Plattsburg and at Baltimore/North Point in September 1814. These were both major land/sea battles. This is on top of New Orleans, all of them after Napolean was defeated the first time.

You also recite a myth. The Treaty of Ghent was not ratified until AFTER the battle of New Orleans. It says in the Constitution that a treaty must be ratified by the Senate.

Also, the British would never have vacated New Orleans had they woin the battle, which they fully expected to do. They did the same thing with Malta just a few years earlier, they signed a treaty that included vacating Malta, but never gave it up. This was the Treaty of Amiens with Napolean (1801).

Galileo Galilei
03-10-2010, 04:26 PM
Tea Party 'Revolution' Targets Ron Paul in GOP Primary


By Judson Berger

- FOXNews.com



Quote:
The Texas congressman who rattled the GOP establishment with his libertarian-leaning outsider run for president has suddenly found himself the target of the anti-incumbent Tea Party movement some credit him with helping inspire.





In this July 21, 2009, photo, Rep. Ron Paul questions Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke on Capitol Hill in Washington. (Reuters Photo)
Et tu, Tea Party?


The Texas congressman who rattled the Republican establishment with his libertarian-leaning outsider run for president has suddenly found himself the target of the anti-incumbent Tea Party movement some say he helped inspire.

Though Ron Paul may be the model of the grassroots-backed conservative candidate that Tea Party groups are looking for, the candidates challenging him in the Republican primary this year say the good doctor brought it on himself -- by spending too much time running for president and not enough time tending to his district, and being so prickly with congressional colleagues as to render himself obsolete.

"He's not being involved in his district," said Gerald Wall, one of three Tea Party-connected candidates running against Paul in the primary.
"He's unwilling to work with others, and people are unwilling to work with him, and so we have no voice in Congress," said candidate Tim Graney, calling Paul one of the most "ineffective" members on Capitol Hill.


Paul's son, Rand, is a Tea Party favorite in his race for Senate in Kentucky -- he was recently endorsed by Sarah Palin, who was the keynote speaker at the Tea Party Convention in Nashville earlier this month.
But Rand's dad appears to have fallen out of favor with some Tea Partiers. They say that while Ron Paul's fiscal conservative message is sound, he's a little too fond of pork-barrel projects and nowhere near tough enough on national security.

Texas Congressional District 14 is hardly the first place Tea Party-tied candidates are shaking up Republican primaries. One of the stated goals at the Nashville convention was to influence elections, and the intra-party turmoil is playing out in the Florida senatorial race and elsewhere.
But toppling Paul may send the message that nothing is sacred in the evolving movement.

"Congressman Paul is generally credited with helping to start the Tea Party movement back in 2007," said Paul's campaign manager Mark Elam, referring to a 2007 fundraiser that raked in $4.3 million timed to fall on the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. "It's very clear that that was the beginning of the Tea Party activities."

Elam said internal polling shows Paul safely above the fray in next month's primary and that he is "happy to take on all comers." And he said Paul spends plenty of time in his district.
The Texas congressman is something of a political force. He's become somewhat of a brand name among devout libertarians, and his 2008 presidential campaign supporters were among the most enthusiastic in the country. As of the end of last year, he had a 124-to-1 fundraising advantage over the most well-heeled of his challengers. Fundraising reports showed he had $1.9 million on hand, compared with the $15,508 Graney had amassed. The two other candidates, Wall and John Gay, had less than that.

"So far none of the candidates have shown a lot of traction," Elam said.
But the Paul campaign has nevertheless demonstrated that it is taking the primary challengers seriously.
Paul agreed to attend a local debate with the other Republican candidates this Saturday, a meeting sponsored by the Katy Tea Party Patriots, the group Graney was formally involved with before throwing his hat in the ring last October.

And in a campaign e-mail to supporters last month, Paul warned that his base needed to "fight back" to ensure the "anti-incumbent, anti-Washington sentiment" doesn't sweep him out of office.
"If we do not fight back, they may be successful," the e-mail said.
Graney, a small-business owner who never ran for office before, said that while Paul has established himself as a national voice on his favored issues, he's not representing his district well.

He and Wall, who helped organize a local tax day Tea Party rally last April, said the claim that Paul inspired the Tea Party movement is false.
Wall also criticized Paul for earmarking money in the budget. Paul, whose district was targeted for $72 million in earmarks in the 2010 budget according to one study, has defended the practice in the past, arguing that he earmarks money so that its use is designated -- and that he votes against all appropriations bills anyway.
But Wall doesn't buy the explanation.

"There is definitely a strong movement for a new candidate," he said.

This is a BS MSM article. There is no evidence presented that tea party voters generally backed Paul's opponents. A few maybe, but the bulk of them backed Paul. Paul won the election by 70% you know, his opponents barely got any votes.

Galileo Galilei
03-10-2010, 04:30 PM
Palin's cash differential is meaningless, Ron outraised all his GOP opponents in 2008 and still lost.



Cash is not meaningless. Whoever has the most cash usually wins. Either way, it is a big advantage to have more cash.

This article does not say Ron Paul will win, it says he CAN win.

Galileo Galilei
03-10-2010, 04:43 PM
I don't think the war of 1812 will be an important issue in this race, however, notwithstanding your point 17.

I agree it probably won't but who knows? The issue has to start somewhere. The fact is being prominently mentioned in the current PBS program on Dolley Madison.

If we really want to end the war on terror, we need a real counter-example. I cannot think of a better counterexample than the War of 1812.

There are also two popular novels out on the War of 1812, one by David Nevin and one by Eric Flint.

Elm
03-10-2010, 04:43 PM
Cash is not meaningless. Whoever has the most cash usually wins. Either way, it is a big advantage to have more cash.

This article does not say Ron Paul will win, it says he CAN win.

Except we have definitive experience that contradicts that belief relating directly to this candidate in question.

Galileo Galilei
03-10-2010, 04:50 PM
Except we have definitive experience that contradicts that belief relating directly to this candidate in question.

Actually, when Ron Paul started raising more money, his poll numbers went up. Look at his poll numbers in the 2nd quarter 2007 compared to the 4th quarter 2007.

Ron Paul can raise even more money in the 2011/2012 cycle than he did in 2007/2008 because he is starting out with at least 10 times as many supporters.

What Ron Paul needs to do is run better TV commercials this time, like Rand Paul is doing. Ron Paul wasted a lot of money on bad TV commercials last go at it.

BuddyRey
03-10-2010, 05:37 PM
Come Hell or high water, I know that by 2012, the American public will be ready to say yes to Dr. No!

dannno
03-10-2010, 06:06 PM
LOL, Wut?

It's my understanding the "Tea Party" ran his primary opponents.

The "Tea Party" is illusive and hard to define. These guys tried to latch on by making statements, they didn't have any movements behind them.

puppetmaster
03-10-2010, 06:14 PM
hey I am always in for RP

sofia
03-10-2010, 06:15 PM
until electronic voting machines are destroyed....Ron aint winning anything

Matthew Zak
03-10-2010, 07:16 PM
If Ron Paul supporters don't ambitiously set out to own the delegation process, all is lost.

Matthew Zak
03-10-2010, 07:20 PM
Also, Sean Hannity is on the radio every single day bashing "third party movements" and continuously trying to reinvent the GOP by renaming "republicans" as "conservatives". I listen to that bullshit every day just so I know what we're up against. He screams and hangs up on level headed intelligent people who disagree with him, like a little brat. But the people who agree with him are treated so well that his sheep-audience wet themselves over the idea of being "in" with that group. He talks to thousands if not millions of people a day. How are we cometing with that? If we're not -- we'll be in the same place we were 3 years ago.

KramerDSP
03-10-2010, 07:32 PM
That would make a great website: www.RonPaulCanWin.com

It could have things like:

- 10-minute video on Paul vs. Romney, Palin, Pawlenty on the Economy (clips of statements made in years past prior to the bailouts)

- 10-minute video on Paul vs. Romney, Palin, Pawlenty on following the Constitution

- A comparison of voting records

- Famous people who are Ron Paul Supporters (critical to the mainstream voting public, unfortunately). Vince Vaughn, Arlo Guthrie, John Mayer, and a bunch of other people, along with quotes from both the "left" and the "right" praising RP grudgingly.

- Proof of media bias during the 2008 campaigns (the picture of the one RP supporter in the rain juxtaposed with many Romney supporters, whereas RP supporters actually dominated the event, Fox cutting the "electability" question and response from the re-air, etc.)

- And last, but not least, hammering home the fact that RP has the best chance of any of the Republicans against Obama in a general election. When most people say RP is unelectable, they mean "in the primaries", or at least thats how I see it. Even Carl Cameron, when delivering the "electability" question, had to correct himself from saying "in the general election.... I mean, the primary election".

- While I'm on this train of thought, how about some kind of Open Letter to disaffected Americans (of any political party), with the core of the message being this is why we believe you should seriously consider voting for Ron Paul in the primaries. This would encourage some jaded Obama supporters, independents, and republicans who feel that their party has now abandoned them to "cross over" and help RP secure even more votes.

Imperial
03-10-2010, 07:52 PM
Tea Party 'Revolution' Targets Ron Paul in GOP Primary


By Judson Berger

- FOXNews.com



Quote:
The Texas congressman who rattled the GOP establishment with his libertarian-leaning outsider run for president has suddenly found himself the target of the anti-incumbent Tea Party movement some credit him with helping inspire.





In this July 21, 2009, photo, Rep. Ron Paul questions Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke on Capitol Hill in Washington. (Reuters Photo)
Et tu, Tea Party?


The Texas congressman who rattled the Republican establishment with his libertarian-leaning outsider run for president has suddenly found himself the target of the anti-incumbent Tea Party movement some say he helped inspire.

Though Ron Paul may be the model of the grassroots-backed conservative candidate that Tea Party groups are looking for, the candidates challenging him in the Republican primary this year say the good doctor brought it on himself -- by spending too much time running for president and not enough time tending to his district, and being so prickly with congressional colleagues as to render himself obsolete.

"He's not being involved in his district," said Gerald Wall, one of three Tea Party-connected candidates running against Paul in the primary.
"He's unwilling to work with others, and people are unwilling to work with him, and so we have no voice in Congress," said candidate Tim Graney, calling Paul one of the most "ineffective" members on Capitol Hill.


Paul's son, Rand, is a Tea Party favorite in his race for Senate in Kentucky -- he was recently endorsed by Sarah Palin, who was the keynote speaker at the Tea Party Convention in Nashville earlier this month.
But Rand's dad appears to have fallen out of favor with some Tea Partiers. They say that while Ron Paul's fiscal conservative message is sound, he's a little too fond of pork-barrel projects and nowhere near tough enough on national security.

Texas Congressional District 14 is hardly the first place Tea Party-tied candidates are shaking up Republican primaries. One of the stated goals at the Nashville convention was to influence elections, and the intra-party turmoil is playing out in the Florida senatorial race and elsewhere.
But toppling Paul may send the message that nothing is sacred in the evolving movement.

"Congressman Paul is generally credited with helping to start the Tea Party movement back in 2007," said Paul's campaign manager Mark Elam, referring to a 2007 fundraiser that raked in $4.3 million timed to fall on the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. "It's very clear that that was the beginning of the Tea Party activities."

Elam said internal polling shows Paul safely above the fray in next month's primary and that he is "happy to take on all comers." And he said Paul spends plenty of time in his district.
The Texas congressman is something of a political force. He's become somewhat of a brand name among devout libertarians, and his 2008 presidential campaign supporters were among the most enthusiastic in the country. As of the end of last year, he had a 124-to-1 fundraising advantage over the most well-heeled of his challengers. Fundraising reports showed he had $1.9 million on hand, compared with the $15,508 Graney had amassed. The two other candidates, Wall and John Gay, had less than that.

"So far none of the candidates have shown a lot of traction," Elam said.
But the Paul campaign has nevertheless demonstrated that it is taking the primary challengers seriously.
Paul agreed to attend a local debate with the other Republican candidates this Saturday, a meeting sponsored by the Katy Tea Party Patriots, the group Graney was formally involved with before throwing his hat in the ring last October.

And in a campaign e-mail to supporters last month, Paul warned that his base needed to "fight back" to ensure the "anti-incumbent, anti-Washington sentiment" doesn't sweep him out of office.
"If we do not fight back, they may be successful," the e-mail said.
Graney, a small-business owner who never ran for office before, said that while Paul has established himself as a national voice on his favored issues, he's not representing his district well.

He and Wall, who helped organize a local tax day Tea Party rally last April, said the claim that Paul inspired the Tea Party movement is false.
Wall also criticized Paul for earmarking money in the budget. Paul, whose district was targeted for $72 million in earmarks in the 2010 budget according to one study, has defended the practice in the past, arguing that he earmarks money so that its use is designated -- and that he votes against all appropriations bills anyway.
But Wall doesn't buy the explanation.

"There is definitely a strong movement for a new candidate," he said.

Yeah, I live in the district. There was no groundswell of support for some alternate candidate. The tea party movement around here is solidly in Paul's camp.

rp08orbust
03-10-2010, 07:58 PM
There's a test for whether Ron Paul has any chance in 2012 coming up on April 10.

http://battleofneworleans2010.com/

Winning one more straw poll by itself won't prove to anyone that he can win in 2012, but losing the straw poll will prove to the sheople that Ron Paul's "he can't win" stigma is deserved. And in reality, how can we expect him to win any caucus or primary if we can't muster 1,000 supporters for this straw poll in the next three weeks?

If Ron Paul does win this straw poll, and if he continues a winning streak right up through the 2011 Ames Straw Poll, then you might see the "he can't win" stigma starting to fade.

mello
03-10-2010, 08:53 PM
26) If he does run, the first gold krugerrand I bought for $900 that I have been saving specifically
for his 2012 campaign will go right to his first moneybomb (which by then that coin will probably
be worth around $2,000+)

ronpaulraps
03-10-2010, 09:18 PM
I think you grossly overestimate many of those factors. Having an unrealistic view of the obstacles against us does us no favors.

Claiming that 'Romney isn't fooling anyone" is misleading - he has MANY supporters.

Palin's cash differential is meaningless, Ron outraised all his GOP opponents in 2008 and still lost.

If we dismiss credible threats we allow them to attack us without defense - this is what we must do to them.

I Totally Agree With You On Everything You Said

speciallyblend
03-10-2010, 09:25 PM
I Totally Agree With You On Everything You Said

rpr, the good news is if the gop fails to listen and adapt ron pauls message/platform. then the gop will become the unviable 3rd party!!

BucksforPaul
03-10-2010, 11:26 PM
These are very good points by the OP. In regard to the polls, Ron Paul was not even included in most of the earlier polls thus his 1% showing. There were countless incidents where Ron Paul supporters were solicited for a poll but Dr. Paul was not included. This will not be the case in 2012 and Dr. Paul will be polling in double figures from the get go.

IMO, the biggest obstacle for us to overcome would be the Corporate Media's statist propaganda. This is why it is critical to continue the education process of our fellow Americans. Mention Ron Paul every chance you get. Someone complains about taxes... you mention "Taxpayers best friend" because Paul never voted for a tax increase. Health care... mention Dr. Paul being an MD and his solution. Constitution... challenge them to show even one vote by Paul that is unconstitutional during his 11 terms as congressman. War... he voted against them. Economy.. mention Dr. Paul predicting the current crisis as early as 2002. etc.. etc... However, the best way to destroy the remaining corporate media's credibility is to end your conversation with your fellow Americans is to tell them that the media will falsely attack Paul as being a racist (No need to go into detail, unless specifically probed about this issue). When they can't refute him they will use ad-hominem attacks. I guarantee you that the corporate bullshitters would pull this card as soon as they feel threatened and us mentioning this fact to as many people right now would discredit the so called MSM.

This works and I have already convinced twice as many people on supporting Dr. Paul since the last election, especially the ones who voted for Pres. Obama. One of my coworkers is a lady with both of her sons deployed in Afghanistan and she has become anti- Afghanistan war. She wants her sons home now and can see through the lies the government has told her. She did not know of Dr. Paul until I introduced her to him through youtube videos on my iphone. In fact, today she asked me for some books written by Dr. Paul and I was wondering if it would be appropriate to give her Dr. Paul's "Foreign policy of freedom?" Any suggestions would be appreciated because I do not want to come across as insensitive.

Thank you in advance

BucksforPaul
03-10-2010, 11:29 PM
If Ron Paul supporters don't ambitiously set out to own the delegation process, all is lost.

+1776

It would even be better to become delegates of our opponents also. :D

IMO watch out for the Grinch

Live_Free_Or_Die
03-11-2010, 12:44 AM
I will support Ron Paul but I won't be sucking on one of these...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2751339851_41e4b15727.jpg

Galileo Galilei
03-13-2010, 07:34 PM
I Totally Agree With You On Everything You Said

The reference to Romney not fooling anyone was in regards to tea party voters. Romeny has many supporters, but not from the tea party movement.

I made the case that the tea party movement is helping Ron Paul.

Galileo Galilei
03-13-2010, 07:35 PM
Also, Sean Hannity is on the radio every single day bashing "third party movements" and continuously trying to reinvent the GOP by renaming "republicans" as "conservatives". I listen to that bullshit every day just so I know what we're up against. He screams and hangs up on level headed intelligent people who disagree with him, like a little brat. But the people who agree with him are treated so well that his sheep-audience wet themselves over the idea of being "in" with that group. He talks to thousands if not millions of people a day. How are we cometing with that? If we're not -- we'll be in the same place we were 3 years ago.

Hannity will be doing a lot of screaming after the SRLC is over. I predict that Ron Paul will win their straw poll.

Galileo Galilei
03-13-2010, 07:40 PM
These are very good points by the OP. In regard to the polls, Ron Paul was not even included in most of the earlier polls thus his 1% showing. There were countless incidents where Ron Paul supporters were solicited for a poll but Dr. Paul was not included. This will not be the case in 2012 and Dr. Paul will be polling in double figures from the get go.

IMO, the biggest obstacle for us to overcome would be the Corporate Media's statist propaganda. This is why it is critical to continue the education process of our fellow Americans. Mention Ron Paul every chance you get. Someone complains about taxes... you mention "Taxpayers best friend" because Paul never voted for a tax increase. Health care... mention Dr. Paul being an MD and his solution. Constitution... challenge them to show even one vote by Paul that is unconstitutional during his 11 terms as congressman. War... he voted against them. Economy.. mention Dr. Paul predicting the current crisis as early as 2002. etc.. etc... However, the best way to destroy the remaining corporate media's credibility is to end your conversation with your fellow Americans is to tell them that the media will falsely attack Paul as being a racist (No need to go into detail, unless specifically probed about this issue). When they can't refute him they will use ad-hominem attacks. I guarantee you that the corporate bullshitters would pull this card as soon as they feel threatened and us mentioning this fact to as many people right now would discredit the so called MSM.

This works and I have already convinced twice as many people on supporting Dr. Paul since the last election, especially the ones who voted for Pres. Obama. One of my coworkers is a lady with both of her sons deployed in Afghanistan and she has become anti- Afghanistan war. She wants her sons home now and can see through the lies the government has told her. She did not know of Dr. Paul until I introduced her to him through youtube videos on my iphone. In fact, today she asked me for some books written by Dr. Paul and I was wondering if it would be appropriate to give her Dr. Paul's "Foreign policy of freedom?" Any suggestions would be appreciated because I do not want to come across as insensitive.

Thank you in advance

This is a good post. My guess is that Paul polls around 15% from the beginning, within striking distance of Palin and Romney who will be in the 20s.

He could poll higher. I expected Rand Paul to start out at around 15% and I was wrong about that. If Rand wins the Senate seat and Ron wins a few more straw polls, that will bump up Ron's poll numbers.

Has anyone seen a national poll? The only thing I've seen is the Intrade numbers.

Promontorium
03-13-2010, 11:53 PM
This reminds me of the first thing I ever read about Ron Paul:

Ten Reasons Why Ron Paul Can't Win
by Thomas R. Eddlem

by Tom R. Eddlem



DIGG THIS

It always perturbed me that the wide variety of neocon commentators on television regularly pronounce with such fury and unison that Ron Paul "can't win" but never give any reasons why he couldn't win the presidential race.

At first, I assumed that these guys would be denying he had a chance up until and including Ron Paul's inauguration day. And why shouldn't I assume that? The pundits probably don't give any reasons he can't win, I thought, because there aren't any.

Then I thought more deeply, and found that there are plenty of reasons why Ron Paul can't be elected. Here are the ten top reasons why Ron Paul can't win, in the format of David Letterman's Top Ten List. My logic is flawless. As Bill O'Reilly would say, "you can't even argue it."

10. Ron Paul is too popular among people who know where he stands . Instant polling numbers among focus groups watching the debates have his popularity at about 75 percent. But Americans don't vote for people who are that popular. It's true that George W. Bush got a little more than 50 percent of the vote in 2004 – just barely – but that was a fluke. Bush's popularity numbers have since sunk back to the traditional 25–35 percent range. Before 2004, not one of the winners in the last three Presidential campaigns even got 50 percent of the vote. Dubya didn't even win a plurality of the popular vote in 2000. So it's a clear modern precedent that in order to become President, you need to be unpopular rather than widely popular. Ron Paul simply can't win if he remains that popular, and there's no reason to believe people will begin to hate him.

9. He's got too much money, and nowhere to spend it. It's great that Ron Paul's official campaign is raising nearly as much money as the frontrunners. But it won't do him any good. What would he spend it on? He doesn't need to spend it on local campaigning, because he's already got more than 700 Meetups across the country. (More on that in reason #8). Many of these Meetups are printing bumper stickers, fliers, and yard signs without money from the campaign. They are creating phone banks on their own. A few are even making their own media advertising buys. Therefore, the campaign doesn't need money for any of these things. So the massive Ron Paul campaign fundraising, while impressive, is superfluous at best. Money simply won't help.

8. Ron Paul is cheating by harnessing the fervor of an army of volunteers, rather than the method pursued by the other candidates – who must pay a huge campaign staff to get their message out . It's not fair that Ron Paul has excited volunteers who will spend their own money to get him elected, while the other candidates have to pay lots of people salaries to work for their campaigns. So don't think that the other candidates won't cry "foul" when they notice that most of Ron Paul's campaign contributions are "off the books" in these Meetups. Collectively, the Meetups may be spending more money than the frontrunner campaigns. I noticed this myself recently when I attended a Ron Paul Meetup in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. I got handed a wad of Ron Paul bumper stickers from a guy who printed them up himself. Others passed me self-printed fliers and lapel stickers while the whole group passed the hat to print road signs on their own. Do you really think these expenditures were sent in to the Federal Election Commission as a campaign contribution? I doubt it. "We need a campaign 'fairness doctrine' to level the playing field," the other candidates will argue, quite possibly to great effect.

7. Ron Paul tells the truth. Ron Paul has a 20-year career in Congress of always voting the way he's promised, even sometimes on positions that could hurt him politically (See reason #5 for more on this). He's honest even when it hurts him, and that's great. But let's face it, Americans long ago tired of electing honest presidents. They very much prefer presidents who will lie to us "for your own good." This explains why they elected George "Read my lips, no new taxes" Bush, Bill "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Clinton, and most recently, George "Law enforcement officers need a federal judge's permission to wiretap a foreign terrorist's phone" Bush. Need I elaborate more? The American people long ago tired of honesty! Honesty just doesn't sell.

6. He's for lower spending AND lower taxes. Most Americans want lower taxes, so Ron Paul's halfway there, but they don't want to cut spending. Americans want a candidate who talks about lower spending but actually increases spending. This explains the Bill "the era of big government is over" Clinton and George "compassionate conservative" Bush presidencies. Of course, Americans also want balanced budgets … and Ron Paul's philosophy would give them both lower taxes and a balanced budget. But I still think the American people would settle for another candidate who promises to enact a balanced budget precisely four years after the end of his last term – four years after any influence he has over spending ends.

5. Ron Paul is a man of principle. Ron Paul is known for voting against pork even for his own congressional district. He voted against the Iraq war even when the American people were backing it in polling by three-to-one margins. He's the "1" in more 434-1 votes than all of the rest of the members of the U.S. House of Representatives put together. He doesn't take congressional pay raises or participate in the generous congressional pension system. While that might lead some people to think it would attract voters to his candidacy, it actually hurts him. Despite the fact that his campaign rallies regularly draw more supporters than any other candidate, these huge crowds have made him a very, very lonely man. Crowds are isolating psychological phenomena. Getting the biggest crowds at rallies only exaggerates the loneliness that people always have in crowds. Psychologically speaking, he can't take any more of the loneliness of those crowds. No one could. That's why the other candidates have limited themselves to smaller crowds of mostly salaried campaign officials and government employees.

4. Ron Paul has peaked. He wins first or second place in all of the online polls, so his expectations have been raised too high for him to win a primary. Ron Paul has already lost the expectations game, unless he can somehow pull out 274.8 percent or more of the total vote in the Iowa primary. I'm no mathematical expert, but my accountant tells me it's mathematically impossible for Ron Paul to pull in that kind of a vote.

3. He's been against the Iraq war from the start. You might think that taking a position against the Iraq war from the start would help a candidate in a campaign where the American people oppose the war by a two-to-one margin or more. But the truth is, the American people don't want a know-it-all candidate who has demonstrated foresight. They want a dumb bumbler that they can make fun of; it's the same social phenomena that caused people to watch the old Jerry Springer show. They want a president who can't pronounce "nuclear," preferably one who physically resembles a simian.

Also, and perhaps more importantly, the troops are about to pull out a dramatic victory from Iraq. Not with the current surge, but with the post-surge surge. The fact that Ron Paul is raking in more campaign contributions from veterans than any other candidate should not be taken as a sign that the troops want out of there. The troops aren't voting with their wallets, they're just getting tanned, rested and ready for the final surge. The campaign contributions are a diversional maneuver designed to draw out al Qaeda fighters, and those weapons of mass destruction Sean Hannity says were secretly stored in Syria. The post-surge surge will also expose the mystery behind Area 51, end world hunger and cure male-pattern baldness. This issue will be a loser for any anti-war candidate in short order. Just wait and see.

2. Ron Paul's a medical doctor, OB/GYN, and a graduate of Duke Medical School, but not a government health care management professional. Therefore, no American could possibly take him seriously when he gives his opinion on medicine. It's a good thing that Dr. Paul has not been given an opportunity to comment on any question about health care in any of the Presidential debates, because the other candidates' expertise on medicine would blow him away. It's only a matter of time before they embarrass him.

Other candidates like Mitt Romney have experience as part of a "management team" capable of delivering a "wide range of services." Ron Paul has only ensured proper health care for a few thousand individual people. The other candidates know that government policy can deliver much better health care for less cost than country doctors. Take, for example, Boston's "Big Dig." The Big Dig, the depression of Boston's central artery, is the largest public works project in history at $15 billion and counting. This could never have been accomplished by the private sector, and the Big Dig construction is almost finished after 10 years and going only 800 percent over budget. It's true the Big Dig has already killed a motorist who was crushed by the falling three-ton concrete blocks used as ceiling tiles. (How could anyone possibly have foreseen such an outcome from an innovative design of precariously fastening concrete ceiling tiles?) But the truth is that we need government to bring the same cost controls and safety controls of the Big Dig to health care. Ron Paul just doesn't understand this vital macroeconomic point.

1. George Stephanopoulos says Ron Paul can't win. George Stephanopoulos may only stand nine inches tall without television camera tricks, but that's because he's the only documented Greek Leprechaun in modern history. He therefore wields powerful clairvoyance powers that can shape the future. That explains Bill Clinton's election and reelection over the seemingly unstoppable Bob Dole. If you don't have George Stephanopoulos on your side, your cause is hopeless. Fortunately for Boston Red Sox fans, Stephanopoulos withdrew his longstanding "The Red Sox can never win the World Series" edict in October 2004.

Let's face it, the evidence against a Ron Paul victory is overwhelming. Dr. Paul will never be the "front-Ron-ner." At least, not until he takes his oath of office at his inauguration.

August 21, 2007

Thomas R. Eddlem [send him mail] is a radio talk show host, and a writer for Pro Libertate, AntiWar.com, and – of course – LewRockwell.com. He is also Legislative Action Director for RightSourceOnline.com. And he'd probably be a Ron Paul backer if he thought Dr. Paul had a chance to win.

Copyright © 2007 LewRockwell.com

cindy25
03-14-2010, 07:26 PM
25 reasons Why Ron Paul can win in 2012 (Summary)

Here is a summary of what Ron Paul has going for him to win the GOP nomination in 2012:

1) Rand Paul is polling at 44% and is up by 21% in his primary for US Senate in Kentucky. Rand has outfundraised the anointed GOP choice (Trey Grayson) by a 3 to 2 ratio over the past 6 months; $1.8 million to $ 1.2 million. Rand out-polls the likely democrat in the general election by about 15%.

If Rand can win, Ron Paul can win.

2) CPAC Straw Poll; Ron Paul won with 31%, Romney was second with 22%, Palin third at 7%, then Pawlenty at 6%, Mike Pence (congressman from Indiana) 5%, Huckabee 4%. Last year in 2009, Paul had finished tied for third with Palin, while Romney won it ( I can't remember who got 2nd).

When Ron Paul wins nationally promoted straw polls, it creates the perception he can win.

3) Ron Paul just won his House seat primary by a whopping 70%. He won 81% to 11%. Ron Paul will grab more headlines when he wins the general election in November.

This creates the perception Ron can win. The greatest enemy to Ron is the mass media created perception that he can't win.

4) Ron Paul has often been described as irrelevant because he has never sponsored major legislation into law, nor has he ever even gained national media for his legislation. That has now changed. Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill has passed the House with 317 sponsors, and is in the Senate with over 30 sponsors. This legislation is not going away. It will keep Ron Paul in the news during all of this year and 2011 for his legislative work. Rand Paul in the Senate also makes a big difference here.

5) The Tea Party movement backs Ron Paul. The only other leading GOP contender who has any tea party appeal is Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney is a phony and is not fooling anyone.

6) Every four years, we get an age shift in voters. New young voters tend to back Ron Paul, while old voters who have died since 2008 do not support Ron Paul. A four year shift is about 7% of the electorate.

7) Newspapers are against Ron Paul; they are going out of business or their circulation is declining. The Internet supports Ron Paul and it is on the rise.

8) Paul's leading contenders are Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee (if he runs).

All these candidates have weaknesses.

Huckabee has a cushy TV job, and doesn't seem ambitious enough to run.

Palin is widely viewed as unqualified to be president and has less money than Ron Paul.

Romney is a strong candidate, but he is a Mormon which hurts him among Christian conservatives. He was also a pro-abortion liberal governor of Massachusetts who now says he is a pro-life conservative. In other words, he's a phony. He does not anywhere near the organization of Ron Paul.

Pawlenty is the NWO choice for president. But he has low name recognition and is boring. He's also a liberal republican Governor from Minnesota with little appeal for conservatives. He is counting on the NWO media to help him.

9) The Economy; the weak economy plays into Ron Paul's hands to some extent.

10) End the Fed - Ron Paul's book gives him another outlet for his message. Unlike Mitt Romney's book, which is stone cold boring, people actually read Ron Paul's books.

11) Ron Paul is good for TV ratings and is getting a lot of national TV interviews on cable news like Fox, CNN, MSNBC and CNBC. Rand Paul is also getting a lot of national TV interviews.

12) Voters are getting used to Ron Paul's "odd" ideas.

13) Ron Paul is 74, but has the health and spunk of a 60 year old; he's not too old to run for president and serve one term in office.

14) Fund-raising - In the 4th quarter of 2007, Ron Paul was the # 1 GOP fundraiser. This was when he was below 10% in the polls. He will raise a lot more if he is at 15%-30% in the polls. Ron Paul could end up with more money to spend than Mitt Romney.

15) The NWO sets the pecking order when they start to do polls in early 2011. In 2007, Ron Paul was at 1% in these polls. Ron Paul will be at a minimum of 15% in the early 2011 polls, putting him among the viable contenders from the beginning.

16) The Wars in the Middle East - People are getting sick of these wars, and Ron Paul opposes them. Democrats who found out Obama was a phony might support Ron Paul.

17) 2012 is the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812, and will gain national attention. Interesting that the president during the War of 1812 was none other than James Madison, the Father of the U.S. Constitution.

James Madison is the ONLY president to follow the Constitution during a major war. Despite an invasion from the British Empire that included the burning of Buffalo and Washington, a siege upon Baltimore, and attack on New Orleans, the capture of Detroit, an Atlantic ocean naval blockade, and a secession movement in Hartford, Connecticut, James Madison never claimed special war powers, arrested dissidents, issued war propaganda, had a draft, or suspended habeas corpus, despite going up against the worlds greatest power with no income tax, no central bank, and not much of an army of navy. And we won it, gaining free trade for all American on the Great Lakes, Atlantic ocean, Mississippi river, West Indies, and Mediterranean Sea.

Word of what James Madison did in the War of 1812 might leak out to the people in 2011 and 2012.

18) A lot of people are getting sick of the war on drugs. Neither Bush or Obama will even consider legalizing medical marijuana, an issue which polls at 80% in favor of.

19) Ron Paul is the only candidate who can talk intelligently about the U.S. Constitution.

20) People are sick of the health care bill, and Ron Paul has credibility in opposing it. Ron Paul is also a medical doctor.

21) The Campaign For Liberty, Ron Paul's PAC, is raising lots of cash and forging many ties with key GOP leaders at the state level.

22) Rand Paul got the endorsements of the Ronald Reagan PAC, Sarah Palin, Steve Forbes, and the Gun Owners of America. Expect to see Ron Paul get some major endorsements, if Rand Paul can.

23) Ron Paul voted against all the bank bailouts.

24) Ron Paul has an army of volunteers that will hit every straw poll, from CPAC to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, to the county GOP straw poll at the annual meeting of John Doe County in all 50 States. He is going to win almost all of them.

25) Ron Paul has enough support to win the Ames Iowa Straw Poll in the summer of 2011. He got 1300 votes in 2007, and needs only about 5000 to win.

Ron Paul also has enough support to win the Southern Republican Leadership Conference Straw Poll on April 11.

Madison did propose a draft; Daniel Webster blocked it in the house

Galileo Galilei
03-14-2010, 08:13 PM
Madison did propose a draft; Daniel Webster blocked it in the house

Madison never proposed a draft. Someone in congress talked about a draft, but nothing came of it. Webster, an early fearmonger and grandstander made a big deal out of nothing. Webster also backstabbed our troops who were trying to fend off the British Empire's 10 year assault on our liberties. Madison, who was anti-war, would have vetoed a draft as it was not authorized by the US Constitution.

cindy25
03-15-2010, 12:16 AM
the biggest stumbling block is the Israeli lobby and the religious nut cases.

how are these countered.

last time the message did not get out-voters in NH thought McCain was the anti-war candidate

Galileo Galilei
03-28-2010, 01:24 PM
There is a 26th reason that I forgot.

There will be time, and more confidence, for those crossover democrats to register to vote instead for Ron Paul. In 2007, most were afraid to do so because RP was a new thing. But this time around, Ron is the real deal with better poll numbers.

On top of that, a lot of anti-war democrats now know they were duped by Obama, just another reason to switch to Ron Paul.

speciallyblend
03-28-2010, 01:46 PM
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Fozz
03-28-2010, 02:01 PM
8) Paul's leading contenders are Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee (if he runs).

All these candidates have weaknesses.

Huckabee has a cushy TV job, and doesn't seem ambitious enough to run.

Palin is widely viewed as unqualified to be president and has less money than Ron Paul.

Romney is a strong candidate, but he is a Mormon which hurts him among Christian conservatives. He was also a pro-abortion liberal governor of Massachusetts who now says he is a pro-life conservative. In other words, he's a phony. He does not anywhere near the organization of Ron Paul.

Pawlenty is the NWO choice for president. But he has low name recognition and is boring. He's also a liberal republican Governor from Minnesota with little appeal for conservatives. He is counting on the NWO media to help him.

Also, now that Obamacare passed, Romney will look like a hypocrite if he criticizes Obamacare since he enacted something similar in his own state. If he suddenly supports Obamacare, he will be too liberal to win the GOP nomination.

Galileo Galilei
03-28-2010, 02:08 PM
Also, now that Obamacare passed, Romney will look like a hypocrite if he criticizes Obamacare since he enacted something similar in his own state. If he suddenly supports Obamacare, he will be too liberal to win the GOP nomination.

That's a good point. And Romney is about 5% ahead of Huckabee and Palin according to the latest polls, so that will throw him back to the pack.

Fozz
03-28-2010, 02:10 PM
That's a good point. And Romney is about 5% ahead of Huckabee and Palin according to the latest polls, so that will throw him back to the pack.

Neither Huckabee, Palin, nor Romney are looking good at this point. Since people don't really know Pawlenty, I think he may have a chance to show everyone who he is.

So unless someone else arises, it could be Paul vs. Pawlenty.

Galileo Galilei
03-28-2010, 02:17 PM
Neither Huckabee, Palin, nor Romney are looking good at this point. Since people don't really know Pawlenty, I think he may have a chance to show everyone who he is.

So unless someone else arises, it could be Paul vs. Pawlenty.

If that happens, good. Pawlenty is not going to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference (no doubt becasue he knows he will do poorly there). And Pawlenty is not the type of candidate who is likely to appeal to tea party voters. And he has less name recognition than Ron Paul and less money, polls lower, and has less of an organization. And I don't see Pawlenty doing that well in the Iowa straw poll next year. It is next to Minnesota, but that didn't do much for Tommy Thompson in 2007.

Pawlenty is basically the NWO/MSM candidate. In that case, the NWO/MSM has a lot of work to do.

Fozz
03-28-2010, 02:28 PM
If that happens, good. Pawlenty is not going to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference (no doubt becasue he knows he will do poorly there). And Pawlenty is not the type of candidate who is likely to appeal to tea party voters. And he has less name recognition than Ron Paul and less money, polls lower, and has less of an organization. And I don't see Pawlenty doing that well in the Iowa straw poll next year. It is next to Minnesota, but that didn't do much for Tommy Thompson in 2007.

Pawlenty is basically the NWO/MSM candidate. In that case, the NWO/MSM has a lot of work to do.

I can't imagine it being that easy for Ron Paul. Nonetheless, if he does run, I think he needs to learn to be more politically savvy, like his son. If he has a better run campaign and if he becomes more skilled as a politician, and if the Tea Party is still strong, then he will be very capable of taking down Palin and Romney, and maybe Huckabee.

And if the MSM has a lot of work to do, then they WILL do it. It will be a very tough battle.

Fozz
03-28-2010, 02:42 PM
Yikes, what if General Petraeus runs?

Eisenhower vs. Taft all over again :eek:

Galileo Galilei
03-28-2010, 02:42 PM
I can't imagine it being that easy for Ron Paul. Nonetheless, if he does run, I think he needs to learn to be more politically savvy, like his son. If he has a better run campaign and if he becomes more skilled as a politician, and if the Tea Party is still strong, then he will be very capable of taking down Palin and Romney, and maybe Huckabee.

And if the MSM has a lot of work to do, then they WILL do it. It will be a very tough battle.

I won't be that easy. He is about 15% behind Romney in the polls, and about 10% behind Palin and Huckabee.

On the other hand, in 2006 at this time, most people had never heard of him. I actually voted for him in 1988. I heard of him somehow, I can't remember exactly, but I am not the type to vote for the lesser of two evils.

PreDeadMan
03-28-2010, 03:49 PM
Imagine if Rand Paul wins the senate seat, and Ron Paul wins the presidency.... That would be like hitting the jackpot lol. Father and Son in Washington!

Galileo Galilei
03-28-2010, 03:54 PM
Imagine if Rand Paul wins the senate seat, and Ron Paul wins the presidency.... That would be like hitting the jackpot lol. Father and Son in Washington!

Let's start with Rand in the Senate and Ron in the House. A tag-team for the Audit the Fed bill in 2011.

This alone could propel Ron to the top of the polls. Remember, the Audit the Fed bill is as yet to receive much media coverage. Most people have not heard of it yet.

Fozz
03-28-2010, 04:22 PM
Let's start with Rand in the Senate and Ron in the House. A tag-team for the Audit the Fed bill in 2011.

This alone could propel Ron to the top of the polls. Remember, the Audit the Fed bill is as yet to receive much media coverage. Most people have not heard of it yet.

Wouldn't we have to start all over with the cosponsors once the new Congress enters in January 2011?

Galileo Galilei
03-28-2010, 04:25 PM
Wouldn't we have to start all over with the cosponsors once the new Congress enters in January 2011?

We would. At some point the media will have to start covering it. They spent over a year deflecting the bill with the health care crap.

UtahApocalypse
03-28-2010, 04:34 PM
That would make a great website: www.RonPaulCanWin.com

It could have things like:

- 10-minute video on Paul vs. Romney, Palin, Pawlenty on the Economy (clips of statements made in years past prior to the bailouts)

- 10-minute video on Paul vs. Romney, Palin, Pawlenty on following the Constitution

- A comparison of voting records

- Famous people who are Ron Paul Supporters (critical to the mainstream voting public, unfortunately). Vince Vaughn, Arlo Guthrie, John Mayer, and a bunch of other people, along with quotes from both the "left" and the "right" praising RP grudgingly.

- Proof of media bias during the 2008 campaigns (the picture of the one RP supporter in the rain juxtaposed with many Romney supporters, whereas RP supporters actually dominated the event, Fox cutting the "electability" question and response from the re-air, etc.)

- And last, but not least, hammering home the fact that RP has the best chance of any of the Republicans against Obama in a general election. When most people say RP is unelectable, they mean "in the primaries", or at least thats how I see it. Even Carl Cameron, when delivering the "electability" question, had to correct himself from saying "in the general election.... I mean, the primary election".

- While I'm on this train of thought, how about some kind of Open Letter to disaffected Americans (of any political party), with the core of the message being this is why we believe you should seriously consider voting for Ron Paul in the primaries. This would encourage some jaded Obama supporters, independents, and republicans who feel that their party has now abandoned them to "cross over" and help RP secure even more votes.


This should get a thread and started right away.

Don't Tread on Mike
03-28-2010, 09:04 PM
You forgot the 26th reason. Because he's Ron Friggin Paul!

JaylieWoW
03-29-2010, 12:47 AM
When speaking about Ron to others and outlining some of his ideas, it is usually earmarking & term limits that people will throw back in my face in an attempt to paint Ron as being "just like all the others, talks a good talk". It is being said that if he is earmarking he's not really following his own insistence for lowering government spending.

Likewise, the fact he is still in Congress (say others) make him a hypocrite for stating he is for term limits.


So, does anyone have a good way to defend Ron from the above two sticking points? (Yeah, I know some people are just using it as an excuse because he says so many things they don't want to admit or to hear).

rp08orbust
03-29-2010, 12:58 AM
When speaking about Ron to others and outlining some of his ideas, it is usually earmarking & term limits that people will throw back in my face in an attempt to paint Ron as being "just like all the others, talks a good talk". It is being said that if he is earmarking he's not really following his own insistence for lowering government spending.

Likewise, the fact he is still in Congress (say others) make him a hypocrite for stating he is for term limits.


So, does anyone have a good way to defend Ron from the above two sticking points? (Yeah, I know some people are just using it as an excuse because he says so many things they don't want to admit or to hear).

Put them on the defensive by saying that any Congressman who does not earmark is failing to uphold the Constitution by ceding their legislative authority to unelected bureaucrats in the executive branch. Ron Paul doesn't just want 1% of the budget earmarked, he wants the whole thing earmarked! It is not hypocritical of Ron Paul to demand that other Congressmen do exactly what he does.

Galileo Galilei
04-11-2010, 07:10 PM
OK, so Ron tied for first. One down, 24 to go.

randomname
04-26-2011, 12:42 PM
bump

Matt Collins
04-26-2011, 12:54 PM
They are DAMN sure paying attention to us this time!!!! From the FOX NEWS article: "Paul’s blessing of a candidate could be a make-or-break moment late in the race. No one, not even Sarah Palin, may have more to say about whom the Republicans nominate than Paul." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...s-haley-quits/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/26/gop-field-shapes-paul-plays-haley-quits/)

Krugerrand
04-26-2011, 01:15 PM
6) Every four years, we get an age shift in voters. New young voters tend to back Ron Paul, while old voters who have died since 2008 do not support Ron Paul. A four year shift is about 7% of the electorate.

My first reaction was to make a snide remark about how this is obvious. Then, I remembered that in some parts of the country, dead voters make up a considerable block that is not to be dismissed. (yet, I don't know how one is to try and win them over, either)