RON PAUL WAR DEBATE on now!

[RideTheDirt]

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

[JamesButabi]

lol patrick kennedy going off right now! geez too bad he votes for every spending increase.

[CharlesTX]

thanks for the link.

[Bruno]

Was Ron just on?

Kucinich sure has moxy.

[BudhaStalin]

Go Kucinich!

[RideTheDirt]

I missed the last half because I had to talk to the plumber :(

[dr. hfn]

Ron did well

[Bruno]

I missed the last half because I had to talk to the plumber :(

i see tubes in the future easing your pain...

[LibertarianfromGermany]

aww, I missed Ron.

[Bruno]

Bump - Grayson up, calling it an unconstitutional foreign occupation

Duncan Hunter up now

[surf]

not really that funny, but seeing Hunter saying he hasn't experienced brain damage was kind of sad.

loved Grayson's tie.

i wonder if he (Hunter) really believes that this resolution is psychologically damaging to the troops - moreso than war.

[Bruno]

not really that funny, but seeing Hunter saying he hasn't experienced brain damage was kind of sad.

loved Grayson's tie.

i wonder if he (Hunter) really believes that this resolution is psychologically damaging to the troops - moreso than war.

Haven't heard of too many people compaining of PTSD, losing limbs, eyesight, etc. due to a Congressional Resolution.

[BuddyRey]

LOL! Hank Johnson from Georgia just accidentally referred to Nancy Pelosi as "Mr. Speaker."

[BenIsForRon]

The opposition side is using the same old fear tactics. Taliban back in control, more terrorist attacks, etc.

[wrestlingwes_8]

LOL! Hank Johnson from Georgia just accidentally referred to Nancy Pelosi as "Mr. Speaker."

+1

[evilfunnystuff]

tuned in just now as 'cinich was finishin pence on now

[BenIsForRon]

Oh NO!!!!! THIS RESOLUTION IS ANTI-TROOPS!!!

[Bruno]

Oh NO!!!!! THIS RESOLUTION IS ANTI-TROOPS!!!

Wanting them to come home alive is anti-troops? :confused: Scratching my head on that one.

[RileyE104]

Wanting them to come home alive is anti-troops? :confused: Scratching my head on that one.

Lol, apparently the Taliban is going to YouTube this Debate and use it against us? At least, that's what Mark Kirk just said..

[BenIsForRon]

I want to kick Mark Kirk in the dick.

[evilfunnystuff]

mark steven kirk
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ctbob/douche.jpg

[RileyE104]

mark steven kirk
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ctbob/douche.jpg

Totally... Now he's talking about Taliban propagandists "on the radio" and how this debate is going to help them.. What the hell is this guy on??

[RM918]

Totally... Now he's talking about Taliban propagandists "on the radio" and how this debate is going to help them.. What the hell is this guy on??

Even CONSIDERING an opposing point of view is traitorous because it gives our enemies fodder!

[wrestlingwes_8]

Holy cow things are getting pretty heated in this debate!

[Bruno]

Lol, apparently the Taliban is going to YouTube this Debate and use it against us? At least, that's what Mark Kirk just said..

They just grew stronger! omg!

They will fight us as long as we are in their country, down to the last man. The sooner we accept that, the sooner we can come home.

[Immortal Technique]

YouTube - This War Is Illegal! Ron Paul Afghanistan War Debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyiOGVLfy7w)

[BenIsForRon]

Yeah, fuck Kirk for saying that even having a DEBATE is bad for the troops! Dennis was right "We've waited 8 years to have this debate, should we wait another 8 years?"

[specsaregood]

Holy cow things are getting pretty heated in this debate!

I wish a fistfight would break out. Thats what we need to get americans interested in watching cspan and see what these douches have to say. Just the possibility of a fistfight would get thousands to tune in.

[DjLoTi]

I can't believe how many people are tuning in now!

[specsaregood]

I can't believe how many people are tuning in now!

??? Where are you getting those stats?

Kucinich, "I'm pretty sure I voted against the wall street bailouts. It was the fiscal conservative in me." lol

[BenIsForRon]

I'm really impressed with many congressmen/women on the pro-resolution side. Very thoughtful and well-spoken.

[BenIsForRon]

Oooooooh, he called it the retreat resolution! Might as well call it the "America is a pussy" resolution.

[BenIsForRon]

Pro-war guys talking a lot about America's "destiny". I guess he thinks we're destined to rule the world.

[CGeoffrion]

I haven't been able to turn this off...

[JK/SEA]

Follow the money. These guys thumping their chests demanding more death and destruction, have a financial stake. Dupont, General Dynamics, McDonnellDouglas, Boeing, etc. are big time contributors to these fools.

[purplechoe]

YouTube - Five Minute Speech in Support of Kucinich's Afghanistan Resolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=422uTaGxY8o)

[A. Havnes]

Pro-war guys talking a lot about America's "destiny". I guess he thinks we're destined to rule the world.

The Founders charted a very different destiny, I would say.

I hate how people tend to give us all these glitterly speeches about destiny, pretending America is only fighting for freedom and democracy (as though we're somehow Camelot with its slogan "Might For Right!"), and about how glorious our wars are.

And then you've got morons saying the terrorists are going to put propaganda up on youtube... :rolleyes:

[jmdrake]

Dennis Kucinich is quoting Paul Craig Roberts talking about documents he saw tying the desire to invade Afghanistan with oil and gas exploration. And he just brought up UNOCAL and the pipeline route! Wahooooo! Can't wait to see what Ron Paul had to say. And Kucinch just quoted "The Grand Chessboard"!

[BenIsForRon]

Yeah Kucinich just got to the heart of the matter: THE PIPELINES! He also quoted Zbigniew Brzezinski from his book "The Grand Chessboard". This whole fiasco is about control of middle eastern oil and gas supplies.

[jmdrake]

Phil Roe (Republican of Tennessee) just raised 9/11 as why we must stay in Afghanistan. I expect to see more of that tactic.

[BenIsForRon]

I can't believe these people saying we've stabilized Iraq. If we've stabilized Iraq, then we can leave, right?

[PreDeadMan]

wow ron paul's youtube video on this thread was a pretty damn loud great spoken speech! bravo!!!

[doctor jones]

Alan Grayson's amazing floor speech concerning this debate:

YouTube - Rep. Alan Grayson on Wars: We Won, Now Let's Go Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y2ImrrNJnQ)

WE WON! Let's come home.

[BenIsForRon]

Everybody wants the last word.

[specsaregood]

That uhm, "person" tried to slip it threw with just a voice vote so they wouldnt have to go on record. Glad Kucinich asked for the recorded vote.

[BenIsForRon]

I think the no's clearly have it, because it is the US House, but it's good that Kucinich called for the vote.

[specsaregood]

I think the no's clearly have it, because it is the US House, but it's good that Kucinich called for the vote.

The important part is getting all of them on record. So we can expose all the hipocrits that were anti-afghanistan war when it was "bushes war"

[specsaregood]

The house looks pretty empty. I wonder if the "no votes" will out number the ayes and nays combined.

[Condor Bastadon]

Well I must say, that Rep. Kennedy was a funny guy.

[BenIsForRon]

DAMN!!! Did you hear Patrick Kennedy? Fuck the press!

Only two members of the press covering the whole event! This is shameful! The war is purposefully being kept in the back of American's minds. The only way we can get out of this war is if we get Americans thinking about it.

[rancher89]

I thought Patrick Kennedy was going to blow a gasket...:eek:

[Brett]

This is such an important vote that's simply being avoided by the establishment who don't want to reveal their true colors.

I see the Republicans have one "yea" vote. I wonder who that is...

[specsaregood]

The house looks pretty empty. I wonder if the "no votes" will out number the ayes and nays combined.

4 minutes left to vote and:
14 yae
46 nae
371 no votes.

COWARDS!

[Proph]

I thought Patrick Kennedy was going to blow a gasket...:eek:

Too bad more Congressmen(women) don't have that passion, eh? At the very least it would make CSPAN more interesting to watch.

[lester1/2jr]

http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/pm/1942/20716cs.jpg

[catdd]

It's being defeated.

[specsaregood]

It's being defeated.

By a landslide. The hipocrisy of the democrats and dominance of the war regime in power in this country has been established.

[rancher89]

It lost, but we will have the recorded vote

[specsaregood]

65 anti-war votes
356 warmongers in the congress.
14 cowards unwilling to go on record.

[BenIsForRon]

I know two of the yea republicans were Ron Paul and Walter Jones, wonder who the other three were.

[RileyE104]

65 anti-war votes
356 warmongers in the congress.
14 cowards unwilling to go on record.

We can all assume Ron voted yes, so who are the other 4 Republicans that voted yes as well?

[BuddyRey]

Somebody PLEASE tell me you recorded the inconsistent and frenetic diatribe of Patrick Kennedy. He made an incredible spectacle of himself. It was both frightening and hilarious.

[specsaregood]

I know two of the yea republicans were Ron Paul and Walter Jones, wonder who the other three were.

Hunter from TN is another yea vote.

[Bruno]

Somebody PLEASE tell me you recorded the inconsistent and frenetic diatribe of Patrick Kennedy. He made an incredible spectacle of himself. It was both frightening and hilarious.

I'm looking forward to seeing that!

[Condor Bastadon]

Somebody PLEASE tell me you recorded the inconsistent and frenetic diatribe of Patrick Kennedy. He made an incredible spectacle of himself. It was both frightening and hilarious.

bumped for posterity. That was an epic rant.

[DapperDan]

bumped for posterity. That was an epic rant.

need tubes of it!

[JasonC]

I missed the last half because I had to talk to the plumber :(

You reminded me of the mises.org article about the govrnment mandates on the amount of water allowed to be flushed in a toilet in one cycle.

The gubberment caused your plumbing problems!

[LibertarianfromGermany]

The gubberment caused your plumbing problems!

To keep you from watching the debate!

[BuddyRey]

need tubes of it!

Ditto! I wish I knew how to make teh toobz, but I'm dependent on other, more computer-literate people for that.

[reagle]

Rep Patrick Kennedy
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/292450-1&start=18530&end=18784

[BuddyRey]

Rep Patrick Kennedy
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/292450-1&start=18530&end=18784

You're my hero!!!

[Texan4Life]

I want to kick Mark Kirk in the dick.

i almost LOLed right out of my chair!!

[Juan McCain]

need tubes of it!

Ron Paul on House floor today in support . . .

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/03/10/house-votes-against-ending-afghan-war/

[KCIndy]

For anyone interested, here's the way the breakdown of the vote:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll098.xml

[Theocrat]

For anyone interested, here's the way the breakdown of the vote:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll098.xml

Dang. My representative voted "Nay" on that bill. :mad:

[purplechoe]

Alan Grayson's amazing floor speech concerning this debate:

YouTube - Rep. Alan Grayson on Wars: We Won, Now Let's Go Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y2ImrrNJnQ)

WE WON! Let's come home.

"...that certainly was amazing, just amazing."

[KCIndy]

Dang. My representative voted "Nay" on that bill. :mad:

So did mine. :mad:

And I can't believe I wrote, "here's the way the breakdown of the vote" lol. Man, it's been a loooong day!

[catdd]

The only thing that will stop this insanity is bankruptcy, and I'm completely prepared for it.

[TheTyke]

Chaffetz voted Nay?!?!?! What the heck...! I really thought he was on the save wavelength as Ron... :(

[purplechoe]

I want to kick Mark Kirk in the dick.

that dick is my congressman... :( might our new senator, just won the Republican primary... :( :( and is leading 6% over a Democrat in the polls to take over Obamas old position in the Senate... :( :( :(

[Juan McCain]

I am surprised by some of the no votes . . .
even some Republicans that were before opposed to the Afghanistan troop buildup for fiscal reasons as well as human life -
is it the same old argument of using up 'political capital' in the Capitol ?

Vote them all out of office in November.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll098.xml

[JK/SEA]

You're my hero!!!

Kennedy voted no. he's no hero.

[JK/SEA]

Barney Frank..yes.

[Brett]

My congressmen didn't vote. Boring.

Difficult being a "moderate" democrat I guess.

[tropicangela]

How many of them were threatened with Marshal Law?

[Peace&Freedom]

I think this is the You Tube:

YouTube - This War Is Illegal! Ron Paul Afghanistan War Debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyiOGVLfy7w)

[specsaregood]

Just for the hell of it I did a search on dailykos for kucinich or afghanistan or war powers.
Nothing except a couple mentions of the house vote in general open threads.

Screw you "anti war" democrats. Not even brave or interested enough to discuss it.

[charrob]

--just checked: my congressman voted against the resolution. :mad:

He just lost my vote in November!

[btalex1990]

I missed the last half because I had to talk to the plumber :(

you know you can record streaming media and is actually preferred to those bringing out the truth and run alternative medias and want to promote ron paul.

next time you should record it ;) then you won't miss it. Computers and laptops today are modern DVRs and can record streaming media.

[btalex1990]

I am also about to write another article giving out quotes from this exact video since it's recent. Gotta do that since I now run a professional media outlet. Gotta bring out the truth :)

Ron Paul deserves the media publishing his words on the war. I may even contact the mainstream media asking them to bring out what Ron Paul said today..or wait now it's yesterday but still I am happy Ron Paul said the current ongoing wars are illegal.

He definitely deserves a article hand typed by me. I will publish it and show you it and he definitely deserves a thank you for all he has done for our country. At least hes thinking with his heart and head instead of his greed bones and lobbying. Ron Paul thinks with his own mind (Hes not a puppet at least I hope he isn't), and his Oath, and his duties instead of having his orders sent to him by the special interest groups.

It will be a shame once his term runs out. Ron Paul is a constitutional president.

[BuddyRey]

you know you can record streaming media and is actually preferred to those bringing out the truth and run alternative medias and want to promote ron paul.

next time you should record it ;) then you won't miss it. Computers and laptops today are modern DVRs and can record streaming media.

Really? How do you do that? I've always been mystified at the quality of some of these YouTube videos I see of CSPAN or other news networks.

[charrob]

Yeah, fuck Kirk for saying that even having a DEBATE is bad for the troops! Dennis was right "We've waited 8 years to have this debate, should we wait another 8 years?"

-last night most were shocked by this guy's powerful blow to Kucinich and angered on both LibertyForest real-time threads as the War Powers Resolution was being debated in congress.

-i just happened upon this: NOW i understand his motivation and hatred for Kucinich...now it's all clearer...


Accomplishments of a Pro-Israel Champion
Upgrading U.S.-Israel Missile Defense Cooperation


Congressman Kirk led the bipartisan effort to secure “Eyes in the Sky,” real-time satellite early-warning data, for the State of Israel. With access to “Eyes in the Sky,” Israel’s warning time of an Iranian missile launch grew from less than one minute to a full 11 minutes.

In 2008, Kirk led a bipartisan effort to deploy the X-Band AN/TPY-2 radar system to Israel. The radar, America’s most advanced system, doubledIsrael’s intercept range – giving the Jewish state at least two engagement windows to bring down an Iranian salvo.

Earlier last year, Kirk helped reverse the Administration’s cuts to Israel’s Arrow-3 upper tier missile defense system – securing full funding for the program to continue.

The Leader on Stopping Iran’s Nuclear Program

In 2005, Congressman Kirk became the first member of Congress to propose a gasoline restriction as the most effective way to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. In 2005 and 2006, Kirk introduced bipartisan resolutions calling for an international gasoline restriction. In 2007, he authored the Iran Sanctions Enhancement Act to extend current U.S. sanctions to the provision of gasoline.

Last year, Congressman Kirk authored the Iran Diplomatic Enhancement Act, expanding economic sanctions against Iran to include refined petroleum producers, suppliers, carriers and insurers. This legislation as incorporated into Chairman Berman’s Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act. Kirk is also the lead cosponsor of the Frank-Kirk Iran Sanctions Enabling Act of 2009, which would authorize state and local governments to direct divestiture from, and prevent investment in, companies with investments of $20,000,000 or more in Iran’s energy sector.

In 2009, the House passed two key Iran-related Kirk amendments: one prohibiting Export-Import Bank financing of projects controlled by companies providing gasoline to Iran, and another requiring the Securities and Exchange Commission to publicly disclose business dealings with or in Iran conducted by U.S.-listed companies.

Keeping Taxpayer Money Away from Hamas and Hezbollah


Congressman Kirk authored appropriations language mandating a first-ever comprehensive review by the Government Accountability Office of Cash Assistance and Emergency Cash Assistance programs run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency.

Kirk also ordered an Inspector General investigation into reports that more than $140,000 was provided by the U.S. Agency for International Development to the Hamas-controlled Islamic University in Gaza. He later authored appropriations language tightening anti-terror vetting language to include institutions that have terrorist trustees—thereby closing the funding loophole to Islamic University.

Did You Know – Preventing U.S. Assistance to Hamas

Did You Know – Disarming Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon

Did You Know – Combating Global Anti-Semitism and Holocaust Denial

http://www.kirkforsenate.com/?page_id=489

[Juan McCain]

Yeah, fuck Kirk for saying that even having a DEBATE is bad . . .

Congressman Pence of Indiana said something similar . . . that we shouldn't have the debate even.

No, even more of these debates before the primary season for the Congressional races.

Making a list . . . and checking it twice -
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll098.xml

356 Congressmen need to be voted out in November, if not in their primary -
as well as the totally absent Pelosi . . . and watch those 9 non-votes.

[jmdrake]

I think this is the You Tube:

YouTube - This War Is Illegal! Ron Paul Afghanistan War Debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyiOGVLfy7w)

Partial transcript.

The Taliban didn't launch this attack. The government of Afghanistan didn't launch it. The best evidence is Of those 20 people, 2 of them may have passed through Afghanistan. A lot of the planning was done in Germany and Spain and the training was done in the United States. Oh yes. The image is that they all conspired, a small group of people, with Bin Laden and made this decision. Right now the evidence is not there to prove that. But certainly Bin Laden was very sympathetic, loved it and wanted to take credit for it. And one of the reasons he wanted to take credit was that it would do three things for what he wanted. First it would enhance his recruitment efforts for Al Qaeda and his attacks against Western powers who have become overly involved in control of the middle east and have had a plan for 20 years to remake the middle east. He also said the consequence of 9/11 will be that we will bog the American people in a no win war and demoralize the people. And they're working on it. There's still a lot of moral support, but there are a lot of people that...[realize?] this country is totally bankrupt, and we're spending trillions of dollars on these useless wars, the people will become demoralized because history shows all empires end because they expand too far and the bankrupt the country just like the Soviet system came down. He also said that the dollars spent will bankrupt this country. And we are bankrupt. And yet there is no hesitation to quit spending one cent overseas. We build embassies in Bahgdad and Kabul, billion dollar embassies, fortresses, and it's all "necessary". And nobody is concerned. If people were concerned about the disasterous effect of debt on this countr we would change this foreign policy and we would be safer for it. We are not safer because of this foreign policy. It is a policy of intervention that has been going on for a long time and it will eventually end. This war is illegal, immoral and unconstitutional. The least you can say is that it's illegitimate. There is no real purpose at this. The Taliban did not attack us on 9/11. After we went into Afghanistan, immediately the concerns were shifted to remaking the middle east. We went into Iraq. Used this as a justification. It was nothing more than an excuse. Most Americans still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 and I imagine most Americans believe the Taliban had something to do with 9/11 and it's not true. We need to change our foreign policy and come back to our senses and defend this country and not pretend to be the policeman of the world.


Rock on Ron Paul!

[Juan McCain]

Yes . . . unfortunately, this is now how some 356 Democrats and Republicans have shunned this onto Obama . . .
it is "Obama's strategy" in defiance of what he sold to voters to get elected.

". . . this strategy of our President’s deserves support, and I urge opposition to the resolution."

http://www.internationalrelations.house.gov/press_display.asp?id=716

This is why Berman and most incumbents need to lose voter support in November -
they think we are gonna forget this list :
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll098.xml