Bill Gates says we can lower the population through vaccines and medicine

[johngr]

Right around 4:20
http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates.html

[american.swan]

Clicked. Scrolled to about 4:00 and he does say it. You can stop listening at 5:00

[american.swan]

A bit of clarification: He's saying through vaccines, medicine, and prenatal care we can "lower the projected population by 10-15%"

Very Important. A OR B. I don't like A or B
A) Bill Gates wants to take over the world and further the CO2 lie and THEREFORE lower the earth's population.
B) Bill Gates is duped into believing the CO2 nonsense and THEREFORE wants to lower the earth's population.

[PatriotOne]

He should know. He's been very generous with his money to sterilize the people of 3rd world countries using vaccines for a long time now. Of course the people being sterilized don't know that though.

[johngr]

A bit of clarification: He's saying through vaccines, medicine, and prenatal care we can "lower the projected population by 10-15%"

Global Warming for $1000, Alex


Very Important. A OR B. I don't like A or B
A) Bill Gates wants to take over the world and further the CO2 lie and THEREFORE lower the earth's population.
B) Bill Gates is duped into believing the CO2 nonsense and THEREFORE wants to lower the earth's population.

I believe the answer is "A"

________________________

Too bad that pie-thrower didn't do his part for the population problem.

[FrankRep]

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[coyote_sprit]

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[cajuncocoa]

OK, I listened to it three times, and I understand what he said, but it doesn't make sense to me.

How does improving vaccinations and medicine LOWER population? It seems to me, improving these things should INCREASE population.

What am I missing? :confused:

[sevin]

If they're really trying to sterilize people with voluntary vaccines then after several generations you'll see social darwinism at work -- people who refuse vaccines will have more children, so before long there will be a larger percentage of people who are the rebellious type.

Here's a thought, though. If people in third world nations won't use condoms and are left to reproduce as much as they want, won't their progeny end up starving?

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/15/633623104518948582-FlameShield-t2.jpg

[coyote_sprit]

OK, I listened to it three times, and I understand what he said, but it doesn't make sense to me.

How does improving vaccinations and medicine LOWER population? It seems to me, improving these things should INCREASE population.

What am I missing? :confused:

The vaccinations also sterilize you, so those people will live out the rest of their lives and die never having produced a child, so it's a net loss overall for the world population. It's simple math.

[FrankRep]

:rolleyes: Liberty has no operating system it's up to the consumer, and Ubuntu sucks.

Looks like american.swan is on my side. :)

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[coyote_sprit]

Looks like american.swan is on my side. :)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/image.php?u=471&dateline=1189603063

This isn't democratic, if it was then Microsoft would be the greatest OS simply because they control 90% of the market. :rolleyes:

[amy31416]

He should know. He's been very generous with his money to sterilize the people of 3rd world countries using vaccines for a long time now. Of course the people being sterilized don't know that though.

Is there any evidence that the populations who have received vaccinations or "medicines" actually have a lower birth rate?

[FrankRep]

Bill Gates is drinking the Globalist Kool-aid I think.

:mad:

Gates Foundation Gives $10 Billion for Inoculations
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/health-care/2865-gates-foundation-gives-10-for-inoculations

Bill Gates: Prophet of Doom
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/2833-bill-gates-prophet-of-doom

Bill Gates Warns of Climate Change
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/2972-bill-gates-warns-of-climate-change

[tropicangela]

Bump. He really does say that vaccines contribute to lowering the population.

[Pete Kay]

The population should be lowered. There's too many damned people on this world as it is. Though I don't think any government or corporation should force people not have children. At the same time I don't think governments should support people having children. People should have as many children as they can afford to feed. In the case of many third world nations that would be zero to one and they wouldn't be able to feed more if foreign governments didn't give them free food, which has lead to more poverty and suffering.

[Travlyr]

Anyone dumb enough to get the RFID chip implant... then, the drive-by "lower the population police" could simply "delete" the idiots.

[American Idol]

The population should be lowered. There's too many damned people on this world as it is.

Are you offering yourself?

[tropicangela]

i'm reading that Gates' explanation of this is that if people have healthier kids, they will have less kids because they won't have more kids to make up for the dying ones. ??? does seem like an oxymoron! he is pro vaccine and spends lots of money to develop and deliver them. Gates' father was head of Planned Parenthood, founded by Margaret Sanger who was a eugenicist.

in this link below, it describes his view, BUT it could be flawed (easily!) if they are giving out sterilizing vaccines to women and children, that would certainly lower the fertility rates! he is linking a supposed lower infant mortality from vaccines to lower fertility rates in women, by ultimately claiming that healthy families have less children.

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/annual-letter/2009/Pages/2009-preventing-childhood-deaths.aspx

[literatim]

YouTube - Overpopulation: The Making of a Myth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM)

[Pete Kay]

Are you offering yourself?

No, but I appreciate what your lack of virility does for the cause.
:D

[tropicangela]

What does Gates think about breastfeeding and formula companies? Breastfeeding promotes health and reduces transmission of disease GREATLY.

Bill Gates Invests in Companies Which Increase Infants' Deaths


All experts agree that non-breastfed infants in the Third World die at a rate much higher than those which are exclusively breastfed. The number of preventable deaths is somewhere between 50 and 75% of babies who die of diarrhea and other infections. (The issue of HIV transmission through breast milk triggers some of the hottest debates in medicine and will not be discussed here.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-gordon/bill-gates-invests-in-com_b_38676.html

[catdd]

"Bill Gates says we can lower the population through vaccines and medicine "

Freudian slip?

"Uh, I meant, INCREASE!!!"

[tropicangela]

i'm really starting to feel like throwing up... so i'll post this and i'm going out for a while.


The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is gaining a reputation for funding technologies designed to roll out mass sterilization and vaccination programs around the world. One of the programs recently funded by the foundation is a sterilization program that would use sharp blasts of ultrasound directed against a man's scrotum to render him infertile for six months. Now, the foundation has funded a new "sweat-triggered vaccine delivery" program based on nanoparticles penetrating human skin.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028887_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html

[Vessol]

Wouldn't vaccines and medicine increase one's lifespan and thus likelyhood to mate?

I fail to see how these would lower population growth.

[RonPaulwillWin]

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[ChaosControl]

We don't really need to lower the population. Well... I guess I wouldn't mind if urban area populations decreased. :)

[EndDaFed]

Less children dying from natural preventable diseases means that families will raise less kids. With out vaccinations and access to basic medial care families on average have to raise 6 to 7 kids in the hopes that 1 or 2 make it to adulthood. So with birth control measures available and vaccinations this decreases the incentive for a large family. It's really that simple. Of course it does not help that you have idiots like the pope who promote unsafe sex in Africa. You know that reliougs nonsense that claims condoms are of the devil.

[James Madison]

And yet, Bill Gates has 3 children. What a surprise.

[roho76]

And yet, Bill Gates has 3 children. What a surprise.

He didn't mean his kids he meant your kids. His elite blond hair blue eyed children do not count.

On a side note. I ordered a dell netbook PC the other day for work. It comes with Windows 7 Starter. What a piece of shit that is. I thought the purpose for this was since it's a netbook it needed a less hardware intensive OS to operate properly. This is BS. I just installed Ultimate and it runs flawlessly. Even Aero works perfectly. I'm sure it won't run Photoshop but I don't need it for that. I now know the only reason they install Starter is to get people to upgrade to the better version. Bill and company is despicable. What a bunch of Fascists.

I have to agree with whoever said that his programs will help weed out the retarded. If your dumb enough to let his cause poke to into infertility I'm sure the world will be better off with out your DNA running around. IMHO.

[Working Poor]

Is there any evidence that the populations who have received vaccinations or "medicines" actually have a lower birth rate?

Gardisil :mad:
I have two neices who had miscarriages after having this vaccine,

[tmosley]

He should know. He's been very generous with his money to sterilize the people of 3rd world countries using vaccines for a long time now. Of course the people being sterilized don't know that though.

He's not doing a very good job.

OR vaccinations don't cause sterility. Take your pick.

[tmosley]

Gardisil :mad:
I have two neices who had miscarriages after having this vaccine,

I had an uncle that got hit by a truck after walking under a ladder. Obviously, walking under ladders causes you to get hit by a truck.

You see, anecdotal evidence does not prove such claims.

[tropicangela]

Is there any evidence that the populations who have received vaccinations or "medicines" actually have a lower birth rate?

Well, in the US my guess is that it's hard to say if it would be linked only to vaccines, because we're inundated with vaccines, fluoridated water, cosmetics, pesticides, etc that can contribute to disrupting the endocrine system (infertility.)

[tropicangela]

Looks like Bill Gates Foundation promotes junk food in developing countries:
http://www.ecologos.org/gates.htm


Some experts are troubled by the idea of Bill Gates and multinational food companies teaming up to reach into underdeveloped countries' food systems. Critics dislike helping corporations peddle processed foods that, despite added nutrients, still aren't especially healthy because of their fat, sugar or sodium content. Many see the GAIN program as just a heavy-handed way to ease corporate access to poor markets -- and one that won't do much to counter malnutrition, to boot.

‘We the Peoples’ or ‘We the Corporations’?
Critical reflections on UN-business ‘partnerships’
http://www.ibfan.org/art/538-3.pdf


Global Alliance for Improved Nutrition (GAIN) & The Bill Gates Foundation... “Many, if not most, of the hungriest people are themselves farmers.They eke out a living by selling what they grow, and eating it.Helping foreign food purveyors penetrate their markets will only further rob them of their livelihood. For example, India’s dairy cooperatives – many run by poor women – would be hard pressed to withstand the onslaught of Kraft’s marketing power.” (Lappéand Lappé 2002)

In addition, they pointed out that GAIN’s:
“approach also hurts the poor if it shifts tastes towards processed foods, typically adding fat, sugar, and salt while removing needed fiber and micronutrients. This diet trend already contributes to the spread of diseases currently burdening the industrial world. Obesity and diet-related diseases including diabetes, heart disease, and cancer are becoming a global crisis. In the Third World, grossly insufficient health care budgets are now being diverted to treat these conditions, and away from treating deadly infectious diseases.” (Lappé and Lappé 2002)

She has suggested creating jobs, ensuring access to decent health care and teaching people how to grow vegetables in adverse conditions as alternatives to GAIN’s approach of
tackling malnutrition.53

“Earlier in the infant feeding debate, several Member States had
expressed concern about the new UN/Bill Gates backed Global
Alliance for Improved Nutrition GAIN… [because it] involves
companies known for pushing unhealthy brands of foods. These
companies include Procter and Gamble, Kraft … and Heinz, a
company well known for its violations of the baby food Code.
WHO has in the past clearly indicated that it does not want to be
involved in any ‘partnerships’ and ‘interaction’ with the tobacco
industry or any of its subsidiaries, but its guidelines on conflicts
of interests are only in a draft stage and are unclear. UNICEF by
joining this initiative is also violating its own guidelines on the
interaction with the private sector which exclude the tobacco [industry]
as well as violators of the International Code.” (IBFAN
2002)57

[JeNNiF00F00]

suppose I will be buying a mac next time around...

[Travlyr]

suppose I will be buying a mac next time around...

Good idea. I enjoy my Mac. Partitioned part of it off and installed Microsoft XP OS so I could run Autocad, etc. While I hardly ever use the XP side, it's there when I need it. :)

[Flash]

suppose I will be buying a mac next time around...

Google is releasing an operating system sometime in the future fyi.

[JeNNiF00F00]

Google is releasing an operating system sometime in the future fyi.

Yeah that sounds nice and all but Google is not a company I really trust. They make me paranoid lol

[tmosley]

Looks like Bill Gates Foundation promotes junk food in developing countries:
http://www.ecologos.org/gates.htm



‘We the Peoples’ or ‘We the Corporations’?
Critical reflections on UN-business ‘partnerships’
http://www.ibfan.org/art/538-3.pdf

I have found such foods to be cheaper than fresh food. I went on a diet using prepackaged meals, and have managed to lose 25 pounds over a couple of months with few problems. I also found that my food bill was cut almost in half versus what I normally bought, even including the fresh fruit and veg I buy to supplement the prepackaged material.

Industrialization is a wonderful thing--makes the great bulk of food cheaper than taking the time to make it yourself. This has freed up a lot of time in my family, so we are able to get a lot more done over the course of a day.

[tropicangela]

I have found such foods to be cheaper than fresh food. I went on a diet using prepackaged meals, and have managed to lose 25 pounds over a couple of months with few problems. I also found that my food bill was cut almost in half versus what I normally bought, even including the fresh fruit and veg I buy to supplement the prepackaged material.

Industrialization is a wonderful thing--makes the great bulk of food cheaper than taking the time to make it yourself. This has freed up a lot of time in my family, so we are able to get a lot more done over the course of a day.

there was nutrition lost along with the weight though... do you take vitamin supplements? and these articles specifically refer to HIGHLY processed prepackaged foods that aren't even foods by the time they're done with them. what kind of prepackaged foods did you eat?

[tmosley]

there was nutrition lost along with the weight though... do you take vitamin supplements? and these articles specifically refer to HIGHLY processed prepackaged foods that aren't even foods by the time they're done with them. what kind of prepackaged foods did you eat?

http://www.hormelfoods.com/brands/hormel/HormelCompleats.aspx

I doubt if anyone cares about "nutrition" when they are starving to death, they want the calories, along with the proteins and fats. They can eat some fruit to get everything else they need.

I add to two of those per day a breakfast bar, two cups of yogurt, 1-2 pieces of fruit, a snack bar, and a small dessert. Such a diet is for weight loss, and is probably a bit too spare to live on. Double the size of of the meals, or cut the size of the person's frame by 33% (as with most Africans compared to a tall, heavily built European such as myself), and you should be in the right neighborhood.

These guys aren't saying they have to eat these processed foods and nothing else. They are supplementing their diet.

[tropicangela]

Sure, let's just spread our crappy American diet around along with democracy. :rolleyes:

[Catatonic]

"Bill Gates says we can lower the population through vaccines and medicine "

Freudian slip?

"Uh, I meant, INCREASE!!!"

If you watch the video in whole, its definatly not a freaudian slip. The whole topic is how to lower population, and this is just a bullet point to that goal.

[Ricky201]

:rolleyes: Liberty has no operating system it's up to the consumer, and Ubuntu sucks.

If you want to use Firefox, I suggest you instead use a rebranded version for the reasons stated on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debi an_project) Wikipedia page.

Fail. If you do not know how to use Ubuntu, than of course it sucks.

[Noob]

OK, I listened to it three times, and I understand what he said, but it doesn't make sense to me.

How does improving vaccinations and medicine LOWER population? It seems to me, improving these things should INCREASE population.

What am I missing? :confused:
He means that they are improve becuse they sterilize people who take them. It also seems that the GMO Foods with human genes can also make the kids of people that eat them befor they were born also sterilize them, or make them very infertile.

[specsaregood]

You see, anecdotal evidence does not prove such claims.

No, it doesn't.

But when the WHO starts a new immunization program that targets only child-bearning aged women and later discovers that the vaccine they have given them was polluted with a hormone that caused their body to consider a fetus = a virus and develop antibodies against it rendering them sterile......it does cause one to ponder the situation....
http://www.akha.org/content/vaccinations/philippinetetanustoxoidscandal.pdf

[catdd]

If you watch the video in whole, its definatly not a freaudian slip. The whole topic is how to lower population, and this is just a bullet point to that goal.

I don't see how anyone could watch that entire video. The first two minutes were about global warming and his voice grates on my nerves.

[tropicangela]

He means that they are improve becuse they sterilize people who take them. It also seems that the GMO Foods with human genes can also make the kids of people that eat them befor they were born also sterilize them, or make them very infertile.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_20908.cfm

[libertyjam]

He means that they are improve becuse they sterilize people who take them. It also seems that the GMO Foods with human genes can also make the kids of people that eat them befor they were born also sterilize them, or make them very infertile.

If you guys are going to argue with the other side, at least get the other sides position or argument correct. What is stated above is nowhere close to the position Gates takes.

[MelissaWV]

I have found such foods to be cheaper than fresh food. I went on a diet using prepackaged meals, and have managed to lose 25 pounds over a couple of months with few problems. I also found that my food bill was cut almost in half versus what I normally bought, even including the fresh fruit and veg I buy to supplement the prepackaged material.

Industrialization is a wonderful thing--makes the great bulk of food cheaper than taking the time to make it yourself. This has freed up a lot of time in my family, so we are able to get a lot more done over the course of a day.

The problem is that the WRONG packaged foods will free up a whole lot of time (by helping you die much quicker). I'm not a health nut, but the amount of sodium in some packaged and restaurant foods is astounding. Some contain two or three times the sodium you should have in a day. The amount of fat in other foods is even worse, and certain foods don't do well being frozen, while others thrive. Like everything else, it's just important to glance at what you're going to buy before you buy it.

If packaged foods cuts your food bill in half, by the way, you were doing something terribly wrong. Eating fresh cuts my food bill in half and then some :) Buying bulk when it's on sale (chicken and pork freeze exceptionally well), preparing vegetables and fruit properly (salsa keeps better, for instance, than just tomatoes; marinara sauce jars well or freezes in containers; soups can keep for a very long time in a freezer; pie fillings and ice cream toppings can be made ahead of time with fruit that is on the verge of being overripe and headed towards spoiling), and making as much use of every part of what you buy (bones for stock, stale bread for stuffing cubes/breadcrumbs, citrus peels for zest and potpurri, etc.) can go a very long way.

I also make my own microwave meals :) They're delicious and usually only use a little pasta, or a tiny bit of meat, or a handful of vegetables, which is great because that's usually what's left out of a package. It's a great way to use the little bits left over.

Anyhow, I hope you checked the sodium on your packaged meals, and if it's high please consider having a banana and ensure you drink enough water. Just friendly advice.

[tropicangela]

If you guys are going to argue with the other side, at least get the other sides position or argument correct. What is stated above is nowhere close to the position Gates takes.

Unclear on your post. What's Gates position?

[tropicangela]

If packaged foods cuts your food bill in half, by the way, you were doing something terribly wrong. Eating fresh cuts my food bill in half and then some :)

This is true. I make meals for the family with plenty of leftovers to freeze.

When the Bertolli frozen meals are on sale, I buy those. And the Stouffers.

E-Mealz has a pretty good meal plan. they base it on the grocer's sales for you. they also have a vegetarian plan, low fat plan, and (weight watchers?) points plan. They use packaged and fresh foods in their recipes, but if they suggest something with high fructose corn syrup or unhealthy, I substitute with something else that I agree with. http://www.e-mealz.com/options.shtml

[tropicangela]

The Mediterranean Bertolli meals seem to have less saturated fat compared to their Classic Meals. http://www.bertolli.us/products/mediterranean-style-meals.aspx these are pricey, so I do wait for sales & use coupons for them.

[MelissaWV]

The Mediterranean Bertolli meals seem to have less saturated fat compared to their Classic Meals. http://www.bertolli.us/products/mediterranean-style-meals.aspx these are pricey, so I do wait for sales & use coupons for them.

I don't buy those... they're mostly pasta and meat and sauce, which one can certainly do for much less than the packaged meal price. I buy pasta when it's BOGO, and it lasts for ages (especially since I prefer to make my own, but premade is okay in a pinch). Sauce is cheaply made when one's friends get more tomatoes than they know what to do with (and roasted red peppers make a glorious addition to sauces). Meat is easily purchased BOGO. I'm not sure how much those meals are where you live, but the Bertolli meals here are like $7-$11 each, depending on which you want, and they serve something like 3 (?) people if I recall correctly.

You can make your own versions at home for a fraction of that as long as you already have the hardware (and freezer space) available.

[tropicangela]

I don't buy those... they're mostly pasta and meat and sauce, which one can certainly do for much less than the packaged meal price. I buy pasta when it's BOGO, and it lasts for ages (especially since I prefer to make my own, but premade is okay in a pinch). Sauce is cheaply made when one's friends get more tomatoes than they know what to do with (and roasted red peppers make a glorious addition to sauces). Meat is easily purchased BOGO. I'm not sure how much those meals are where you live, but the Bertolli meals here are like $7-$11 each, depending on which you want, and they serve something like 3 (?) people if I recall correctly.

You can make your own versions at home for a fraction of that as long as you already have the hardware (and freezer space) available.

They are that expensive, and I only buy them when they go on sale and use coupons. They are not economical or healthier than using fresh ingredients. They are what I do buy though when I don't use fresh to cook myself which is rare.

[libertyjam]

Unclear on your post. What's Gates position?

Without making comment on the validity of the argument:

I believe the answer is easily found online with minimal research. From what I have gleaned it is a theory that goes like this, with more children vaccinated against deadly diseases, the child mortality rate drops. When this happens and more offspring surviving, parents tend to have less offspring because the chances of survival or each child is much higher. Over time the rate of increase of a population can be dramatically reduced, especially in impoverished countries where large families are the norm to ensure the survivability of the bloodline. This theory would have been born on historical evidence and studies.

Like I said, right now I am not prepared to take sides on the validity of this theory but I believe it is the paraphrased position of org's like the Gates Foundation.
What it clearly illustrates is that the underlying belief is that vaccinations are helpful, and does not address any harmful side effects or a belief in a malevolent intentional purpose.

[tropicangela]

Without making comment on the validity of the argument:

I believe the answer is easily found online with minimal research. From what I have gleaned it is a theory that goes like this, with more children vaccinated against deadly diseases, the child mortality rate drops. When this happens and more offspring surviving, parents tend to have less offspring because the chances of survival or each child is much higher. Over time the rate of increase of a population can be dramatically reduced, especially in impoverished countries where large families are the norm to ensure the survivability of the bloodline. This theory would have been born on historical evidence and studies.

Like I said, right now I am not prepared to take sides on the validity of this theory but I believe it is the paraphrased position of org's like the Gates Foundation.
What it clearly illustrates is that the underlying belief is that vaccinations are helpful, and does not address any harmful side effects or a belief in a malevolent intentional purpose.

I read his theory. It's here, and it could easily be flawed - http://www.gatesfoundation.org/annual-letter/2009/Pages/2009-preventing-childhood-deaths.aspx

The CDC also tell us vaccines are safe and effective. And the government just put up a conspiracy theory web page to tell us what to think.

[libertyjam]

It could be flawed, but it could easily not be flawed, and there is a large body of evidence that in simplistic terms it is not. It could be that the large increase in the number of vaccines given at too young of an age is causing a large increase of problems. Not enough research has been done on that it seems. It could be that the way vaccines are manufactured has changed significantly and are more toxic now. It could be that vaccines are virtually ineffective and that child mortality decreases are solely due to improved hygienics as some claim, but the data I've seen by those that claim that is also flawed.
Whatever the argument is ones side is done a disservice if it does not correctly state the other sides position and adequately address it.

[pacelli]

Since Bill Gates wants to reduce the population, I nominate him to lead by example. Him first, along with all of the other population reduction nutcases.

[Noob]

Since Bill Gates wants to reduce the population, I nominate him to lead by example. Him first, along with all of the other population reduction nutcases.

The odds are they wont do that. But rather have everybody ulse do it, without them even knowing that they are doing it.

[tropicangela]

It could be flawed, but it could easily not be flawed, and there is a large body of evidence that in simplistic terms it is not. It could be that the large increase in the number of vaccines given at too young of an age is causing a large increase of problems. Not enough research has been done on that it seems. It could be that the way vaccines are manufactured has changed significantly and are more toxic now. It could be that vaccines are virtually ineffective and that child mortality decreases are solely due to improved hygienics as some claim, but the data I've seen by those that claim that is also flawed.
Whatever the argument is ones side is done a disservice if it does not correctly state the other sides position and adequately address it.

Comparing two charts next to each other, as on the Gates page, with one saying that infant mortality went down (supposedly because of vaccine efficacy) and claiming that it directly relates to a decrease in fertility (because ppl are more confident their kids won't die) is not conclusive enough to me.

I read a blurb on his other nutrition web page about how his foundation promotes breastfeeding, but there were no specifics on exactly how they go about doing that. Run a search on his website for "breastfeed" or "breast feed" and see what comes up. Now run a search on his site for "vaccine" and see what comes up.

He doesn't mention breastfeeding once on that "preventing childhood deaths" web page as good prevention. Instead, he promotes vaccines, vaccines, vaccines. Of course, he wouldn't be able to purchase stock in a mother's breastmilk...

He is a Nestle shareholder. Does the Nestle boycott have anything to do with the reduction of infant mortality over the years? Perhaps improved breastfeeding rates? http://www.breastfeeding.com/advocacy/advocacy_boycott.html

When women exclusively breastfeed, it's a good form of birth control and child spacing... when women start using formula right away they can have more babies right away. Gates doesn't address breastfeeding rates on his infant mortailty chart OR his fertility chart.

[tropicangela]

On the note of GMO...

Bill Gates Blames Hunger in Africa on Anti-GMO Environmentalists

DES MOINES, Iowa, Oct 15 (Reuters) - The fight to end hunger is being hurt by environmentalists who insist that genetically modified crops cannot be used in Africa, Bill Gates, the billionaire founder of software giant Microsoft, said on Thursday. http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_19384.cfm

Here is his web page promoting agriculture (sounds harmless enough on the cover)
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/agriculturaldevelopment/pages/default.aspx

[moostraks]

Thought this was interesting in light of the current discussion:

Gates Foundation gives $1.5 bln for women's health
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65658R20100608

"The program aims to cut across the "silos" of health initiatives focused on one thing -- AIDS, for example, or nutrition -- and get broader initiatives into place.

"That is in addition to grants that we already make in vaccines, diarrhea, malaria," Melinda Gates told reporters.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he would try to focus the Group of 20 meeting in Toronto later this month on the subject, adding the goal is to raise $15 billion.

"We may need an additional $45 billion by 2015," Ban said.

Ban and Gates described a comprehensive approach through 2014 to help women deliver babies safely and plan healthy families with access to contraception, while incorporating current vaccination and nutrition programs"

[MelissaWV]

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"That is in addition to grants that we already make in ... diarrhea ....



I'm sorry, that needed attention drawn to it :D

[Noob]

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_20908.cfm

Ban All GMOs!

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=2049

[tropicangela]

Ban All GMOs!

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=2049

Who should ban them? The FDA? No thanks.