After Ron Paul

[TruePatriot44]

If Ron Paul loses the GOP nomination and he chooses not to run as an independent, what is the revolution going to do? I'd hope to think that Ron Paul is just the messenger and that this is our message.

We should have a backup plan to continue promoting liberty, respect for the constitution, and ending this horrible foreign policy of intervention and empire building.

With all the meetup groups and supporters, we could create our own political party.

[ronpaulfan]

If Ron Paul loses the GOP nomination

Not even an option

[FrankRep]

This movement just created thousands of New Revolutionaries.

This is only the beginning.

[cujothekitten]

I'm going to vote for as many libertarians as humanly possible and continue libertarian activism.

[DeadheadForPaul]

I'm going to vote for as many libertarians as humanly possible and continue libertarian activism.

question: Were you a libertarian before this?

[cujothekitten]

question: Were you a libertarian before this?

Yes, I've been a libertarian for years

[Sematary]

If Ron Paul loses the GOP nomination and he chooses not to run as an independent, what is the revolution going to do? I'd hope to think that Ron Paul is just the messenger and that this is our message.

We should have a backup plan to continue promoting liberty, respect for the constitution, and ending this horrible foreign policy of intervention and empire building.

With all the meetup groups and supporters, we could create our own political party.

Or, you could support the Libertarian party, which is already established.

[koob]

i agree. i just am kind of hesitant to align myself with the actual libertarian party. they don't have the best reputation. ever hear of the guy that turned himself blue though his own health treatment? guys like him give the libertarian party a bad name. and besides, the way the system is set up the two parties rule. since the two parties are in power, they can make laws not allowing others in. and obviously they don't want other parties! they enjoy their power.

[mport1]

If Ron Paul loses the GOP nomination and he chooses not to run as an independent, what is the revolution going to do? I'd hope to think that Ron Paul is just the messenger and that this is our message.

We should have a backup plan to continue promoting liberty, respect for the constitution, and ending this horrible foreign policy of intervention and empire building.

With all the meetup groups and supporters, we could create our own political party.

We should also vote a straight Libertarian ticket.

[mport1]

i agree. i just am kind of hesitant to align myself with the actual libertarian party. they don't have the best reputation. ever hear of the guy that turned himself blue though his own health treatment? guys like him give the libertarian party a bad name. and besides, the way the system is set up the two parties rule. since the two parties are in power, they can make laws not allowing others in. and obviously they don't want other parties! they enjoy their power.

Well the best way is to infiltrate the other parties like Ron Paul did so we can get elected.

[BW4Paul]

If Ron does not get the nomination, then we know that we're going to be seeing one form or another of Big Government. By that time, our numbers will have grown to, oh, at least 10% of the US Population, I would imagine.

This is a very daring suggestion, but suppose... just suppose... that ALL of us got together and decided to protest these socialist policies by not helping to pay for them. That is, what if we ALL got together and decided not to pay our Income Taxes for the year as conscientious objectors. What could the government do? If millions and millions of us all across America stood together and refused to file, we would have a tremendous impact.

[koob]

Well the best way is to infiltrate the other parties like Ron Paul did so we can get elected.

exactly. and i wouldnt have a problem with the republican party if it went back to its roots. i'd gladly be a REAL republican.

[mavtek]

This movement is similar to the movement David Galloway had in England in the last 5 years. His message and his fortitude and tenacity got thousands together to form the Respect Party.

[ladyjade3]

Or, you could support the Libertarian party, which is already established.

Well, I was *thanked* for *leaving* the Libertarian Party. As such I will not be rejoining. They don't want my kind around apparently. Form some other group and I will gladly contribute. That's just me.

[DeadheadForPaul]

Well, I was *thanked* for *leaving* the Libertarian Party. As such I will not be rejoining. They don't want my kind around apparently. Form some other group and I will gladly contribute. That's just me.

I also did not renew my LP membership this year and will not be rejoining. Theyre impractical. I dealt with LP bullshit for 5 years and have had enough 0.1% showings with ideologues.

Take over the GOP! We need to network and put our money and grassroots efforts behind men like Governor Sanford in South Carolina, Jeff Flake, Terbolizard, etc around the country. Starting with the local level and moving up

[enjerth]

If Ron Paul loses the GOP nomination and he chooses not to run as an independent, what is the revolution going to do? I'd hope to think that Ron Paul is just the messenger and that this is our message.

We should have a backup plan to continue promoting liberty, respect for the constitution, and ending this horrible foreign policy of intervention and empire building.

With all the meetup groups and supporters, we could create our own political party.

Write-in. If Ron Paul isn't on the ballot, I'm writing his name in. That's how I'm going to vote, period. I'll encourage everyone to do the same.

[enjerth]

If Ron does not get the nomination, then we know that we're going to be seeing one form or another of Big Government. By that time, our numbers will have grown to, oh, at least 10% of the US Population, I would imagine.

This is a very daring suggestion, but suppose... just suppose... that ALL of us got together and decided to protest these socialist policies by not helping to pay for them. That is, what if we ALL got together and decided not to pay our Income Taxes for the year as conscientious objectors. What could the government do? If millions and millions of us all across America stood together and refused to file, we would have a tremendous impact.

If I refuse to file, they just keep the money my employer already sent in, which is more than I'll likely owe.

[davidkachel]

The Libertarian ideas are wonderful. Unfortunately, the Libertarians are fools. They think they can retake the country by running for petty little nothing local offices. They have thought this for decades and have gained exactly no ground at all!
It doesn't matter how many Libertarians hold the office of dog catcher. It won't make the slightest difference.
When the Libertarians realize they are in a war for freedom and start acting like it, and when they stop fighting among themselves like jealous children, then maybe they can finally accomplish something. Until then backing the Libertarians is a waste.

[RP4ME]

If Ron Paul loses the GOP nomination and he chooses not to run as an independent, what is the revolution going to do? I'd hope to think that Ron Paul is just the messenger and that this is our message.

We should have a backup plan to continue promoting liberty, respect for the constitution, and ending this horrible foreign policy of intervention and empire building.

With all the meetup groups and supporters, we could create our own political party.

well get involved in yoru state and local Libertarian or Rep. liberty Caucus or some other similar group and elected local and state offcials taht respect our Country

[Akus]

If Ron Paul loses the GOP nomination and he chooses not to run as an independent, what is the revolution going to do? I'd hope to think that Ron Paul is just the messenger and that this is our message.

We should have a backup plan to continue promoting liberty, respect for the constitution, and ending this horrible foreign policy of intervention and empire building.

With all the meetup groups and supporters, we could create our own political party.

The Republican party is hardly homogenius. There is a branch of die hard bomb everything/everybody neo-cons, and then there is group of Republicans whose views match very close those of Libertarians. The name of that subgroup currently escapes me, but if you're really interested, the internet is your friend. Use it, while you still can.

I think Libertarian party is still about as relevant as White Aryan Resistance because they do not have their priorities together. They are shooting at the Presidency that they haven't attained even once, while their local presence is hardly noticeable.

We as the Libertarian Republicans need to start small. Locate your local Republican headquarters. Become a local chair. I will plead guilty on not knowing all the details, but I understand your ability to breathe is about the only requirement to be politically active in your neck of the woods and they always, always, badly need people there. I think only Army has the worse problem of not getting enough people.

Also, check with your local police. There are programs there where you can participate in your community and spread Ron Paul's (really, Thomas Jefferson's and George Washington's) message.

Start small. We can't expect another Ron Paul to pop out of nowhere, which is basically what we're having right now. From the bottom up, slowly but surely, we need to take over the party, thus resulting in GOP returning to its roots, or fracturing into us and them.

[Akus]

If Ron does not get the nomination, then we know that we're going to be seeing one form or another of Big Government. By that time, our numbers will have grown to, oh, at least 10% of the US Population, I would imagine.

This is a very daring suggestion, but suppose... just suppose... that ALL of us got together and decided to protest these socialist policies by not helping to pay for them. That is, what if we ALL got together and decided not to pay our Income Taxes for the year as conscientious objectors. What could the government do? If millions and millions of us all across America stood together and refused to file, we would have a tremendous impact.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

Sorry, BeeDub, no disrespect, seriously, your heart is in the good place, but if we can't even fullfill the Free State Project deadlines, something we can do with no fear of legal preprecussions, if we can't even make RP a big money player by a million of us donating fifty lousy bucks, what are the chances we can organize ourselves into not filing our 1040s?

Ron Paul is the only glue that keeps us together. Do you understand that we have 9/11 truthers, White Supremacists (www.stormfront.org, anyone), Greens, Atheists, Socialists, Independents, Anarchists and God knows who the hell else as Ron Paul's constituency? What will the black RP supporters and White Pride people possibly have in common? Would they even want to?

I understand what you're saying and in the perfect ladida world this would be a great idea, but I am superskeptical we can pull this through.

[Hope]

Well, I was *thanked* for *leaving* the Libertarian Party. As such I will not be rejoining. They don't want my kind around apparently. Form some other group and I will gladly contribute. That's just me.

Whoa. That's ridiculous. What "kind" is it they don't want around, if you don't mind me asking?

[Taco John]

I don't know about anyone else, but Dr. Paul has won my vote regardless if I have to write it in. Nobody else even has a shot at it right now.

[winston_blade]

Infiltrate and stay in the GOP. We already have a good movement going, we just need to stay active even after the election is over.

[me3]

I understand what you're saying and in the perfect ladida world this would be a great idea, but I am superskeptical we can pull this through.
I'm sorry friend, but you aren't getting the RP message if you think that we're together to support a single man.

The idea is freedom. It's liberty. As Paul says, it's not divisive, it brings people together.

I think that the belief that all of these people supporting Ron, and any that may not continue with the movement, but seek political asylum elsewhere will be lost is wrong.

Ron is waking people up. Even if they leave the movement, they will have been profoundly changed, and look for libertarianism in the Democrat, Republican or special interest parties. I don't know many folks for whom RP is a single issue candidate.

[TheConstitutionLives]

If Ron Paul loses the GOP nomination and he chooses not to run as an independent, what is the revolution going to do? I'd hope to think that Ron Paul is just the messenger and that this is our message.

We should have a backup plan to continue promoting liberty, respect for the constitution, and ending this horrible foreign policy of intervention and empire building.

With all the meetup groups and supporters, we could create our own political party.

We need to have one final GIGANTIC meetup in front of the White House and then we all just march in together, kick everyone out, and take over!

How's that?

[Ron Paul Fan]

I'm not going to answer this question because it engages in hypotheticals, and like Hillary, I don't engage in these fantasy hypotheticals. You people aren't thinking positive enough. I've already made arrangements for February 6th, 2008 when Rudy Giuliani announces, "After the ass kicking I took courtesy of Congressman Paul yesterday, I am conceding the GOP nomination. Remember September 11th!!!!!!!!!" When that happens, I will bump this thread up and all of you will look like idiots for doubting our leader! The Revolution will live through Ron Paul's Presidency and beyond!!!!!!!!!!! Also, read my signature for a good Dr. Paul quote about this. Whatever happens, keep the movement alive for him and for liberty!!!!

[FrankRep]

I'm not seeing anyone in the election that has a strong message, besides RP. The mass media is blowing him off, but TV is only an illusion.

[traviskicks]

If Ron Paul loses the GOP nomination and he chooses not to run as an independent, what is the revolution going to do? I'd hope to think that Ron Paul is just the messenger and that this is our message.

We should have a backup plan to continue promoting liberty, respect for the constitution, and ending this horrible foreign policy of intervention and empire building.

With all the meetup groups and supporters, we could create our own political party.

Hopefully many of us will get involved in politics, stay with the republican party, run for office and spread freedom. I am certain in the next 50 years we will have quite a few presidents, congressmen, and senators who could proudly say they were once a member of the 'ron paul revolution'.

[fj45lvr]

Paul I believe is a member of the LIBERTY CAUCUS.

Staying "Connected" and informed is the real key to ORGANIZING....we most definetly need to be "organized" to work to achieve the collapse of tyranny!!

One thing I have seen recently is the Fact that Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine and other former Revolutionaries recognized some very profound truths from their prior expercience and knowledge of tyranny, Liberty and fighting a revolution to secure what we all should hold dear.

#1 thing is as Jefferson states: "When the people fear their government, there IS TYRANNY; when the government fears the people; there is LIBERTY"

What we need is for the Government to FEAR US!!! I imagine right now they may be seeing the blood pressure rise, if we are defeated it will be to them a natural relaxation and whatever "fear" would be gone temporarily.

Jefferson also states very profoundly:

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconcieve. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.-------And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants, it is it's natural manure."

This "spirit of resistance" Jefferson refers to is more than waving signs around and chatting on the web. It of course meant that people sacrificed their lives and fortunes.

Our "tree of liberty" is all but about dead currently....our current "WAR" and other serious examples of tyranny clearly demonstrate that. (like what happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars Donald Rumsfeld stated is unaccounted for in the Pentagon??)

[johngr]

boycott The Federal Reserve. LET THE IRS KNOW THAT WE NO LONGER REQUIRE THEIR "service"

[Nash]

Infiltrate and stay in the GOP. We already have a good movement going, we just need to stay active even after the election is over.

This is hands down the best way to keep this thing going. A 3rd party is NEVER going to win and keep major office in this country without instant run-off or proportional representation. Besides, those occasional 3rd party victories are usually about the individual and not the party.

I'm going to stay as a registered R and vote for the most liberty minded candidate in the Republican party I can find for each race going forward. If I can't find one I'll just vote Libertarian in general elections as a protest vote.

There are plenty of other Ron Paul type candidates out there right now in state and local offices and almost all of them are Republican. We'll just encourage them to stay in office and get more people like them into office. Sooner or later the party is going to start noticing us.

[rodent]

Well the best way is to infiltrate the other parties like Ron Paul did so we can get elected.

We should actually call ourselves "Ron Paul Republicans", kind of like how the old-timers call Ron Paul a "Barry Goldwater Republican."

[yaz]

We'll pressure his son, Rand Paul, to get involved in politics.

[MS0453]

There isn't one right way to accomplish our goals. This campaign is succeeding because we have people all over the place, doing all different sorts of things. That is to say, we have some people focusing on topics A, B, and C and some people going after this demographic and others that demographic. We need to do all things and anything, if our success is to continue.

[ClayTrainor]

We'll pressure his son, Rand Paul, to get involved in politics.

I was actually thinking about this last night... something tells me we will hear alot more from Rand in the future.