>>POLL<< Do you think anything of consequence will happen with Hawaii?

[Reason]

I am going to put my money on no because I have almost no trust in the MSM anymore. Hype hype hype.

[Matt Collins]

No for two reasons:

1- the distance is such that much energy will be dissipated in the transmission of the wave. By the time it arrives it will not be at it's full strength for sure.

2- the surrounding water around Hawaii is not shallow, in fact it's very deep. This means the wave wont be able to amplify very much prior to coming on land from my understanding.

Or I could completely not know what I am talking about. We'll know in a few hours.



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[Reason]

We'll know in a few hours.


Do we have a wave ETA for Hawaii?

Of all the coverage I've watched I don't recall them mentioning it...

[Wineman77]

Do we have a wave ETA for Hawaii?

Of all the coverage I've watched I don't recall them mentioning it...

4pm EST

[SamuraisWisdom]

No I don't think anything serious will happen, but it's better to be safe than sorry in this case. With all the evidence pointing toward the fact that something COULD happen, they made the right call by sounding the evacuation sirens.

[Promontorium]

I seriously doubt it.

The 2004 Tsunami was from a 9.2 earthquake, and it didn't damage property or hurt anyone past 5,000 miles.

This one was from an 8.8, and Hawaii is about 6,600 miles away.


New Zealand is over 1,000 miles closer, and Mexico is over 2,000 miles closer to where the earthquake occured. Is there a particular reason Hawaii thinks they're special?

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I hope not. Too many people are now tapped out from donating to the over-hyped Haiti disaster to help our own people. Once again, failure to put America First may sink us when we have trouble in our own backyard.

[Roxi]

What I don't understand is why it is acceptable to force evacuations. I mean if someone wants to stay then they should be able to right? I mean possibly they should have to forfeit the possibility of being rescued, but I don't think its right that someone can be forced to leave their property if they don't want to.

[dannno]

It's tough to say because the one they had in the South Pacific a few months ago was only a 7.7, and it did some terrible damage to Somoa.

That said i'll be out surfing this afternoon after the initial wave comes through here in CA (i'm gonna go check it out for myself here in about an hour..from a cliff)

[SamuraisWisdom]

I hope not. Too many people are now tapped out from donating to the over-hyped Haiti disaster to help our own people. Once again, failure to put America First may sink us when we have trouble in our own backyard.

Over-hyped? Their entire capital city and much of the rest of the country was/is in ruins with tens of thousands dead and that was over-hyped? WTF??

[SamuraisWisdom]

What I don't understand is why it is acceptable to force evacuations. I mean if someone wants to stay then they should be able to right? I mean possibly they should have to forfeit the possibility of being rescued, but I don't think its right that someone can be forced to leave their property if they don't want to.

People in charge of the evacuations would have to assume that if somebody doesn't want to leave their property than they don't fully understand the situation or the consequences. They're just trying to save lives.

[tangent4ronpaul]

These guys are in for a rough time...
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/Hawaii.shtml

Dial a Buoy - cool!
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/dial.shtml

-t

[Danke]

"Do you think anything of consequence will happen with Hawaii?"

It will snuff out Kīlauea volcano.

[dannno]

OK well looking at some imagery, it looks like the tsunami is heading directly for hawaii.

Also keep in mind that long interval swells travel long distances without severe degredation. For example, in the summer (here) there are giant storms off the coast of Chile that send waves up to California, and Newport Beach will occasionally get 20 foot waves from these storms.

http://www.surfline.com/travel/surfmaps/us/orange_county/images/romo_wedge.jpg

[ronpaulhawaii]

I seriously doubt it.

The 2004 Tsunami was from a 9.2 earthquake, and it didn't damage property or hurt anyone past 5,000 miles.

This one was from an 8.8, and Hawaii is about 6,600 miles away.


New Zealand is over 1,000 miles closer, and Mexico is over 2,000 miles closer to where the earthquake occured. Is there a particular reason Hawaii thinks they're special?

Yes, it was an earthquake from the same area in South America in 1960 that generated a tsunami that destroyed much of Hilo on the Big Island.

[TonySutton]

The magnitude of the earthquake does not have much bearing on the size of the tsunami. Tsunamis are caused when large amounts of water are suddenly displaced. For example, during an earthquake an underwater plate quickly drops. This sudden drop causes the water above the plate to drop quickly also, causing the tsunami.

[bunklocoempire]

Thanks for all your concern...:confused::rolleyes:;):)


"Do you think anything of consequence will happen with Hawaii?"

It will snuff out Kīlauea volcano.

LOL! Sheesh you guys! :)


These guys are in for a rough time...
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/Hawaii.shtml

Dial a Buoy - cool!
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/dial.shtml

-t

Nice links, thanks.

I'll try to update everyone as we hear/see things out here on the Big Island. We're at the 2000' level 12 miles from the coast , but it's a clear day and we can see the shore. Can't see Hilo proper but rather the shoreline 8 miles South of Hilo.

And... we also happen to be about 12 miles from Kilauea my fellow patriot Danke. :D

We've also got family and friends on Maui who have moved to higher areas and are keeping us posted.

From the local news/reporting, it's kinda like a "calm panic" out here right now in the low lying areas, sounds weird, but that's about the best way to describe it.

Gas and typical emergency supplies (rice, toilet paper, water and batteries) are getting gobbled up -calmly.

We’re about an hour and 5 from the wash cycle.

Bunkloco

[Matt Collins]

OK well looking at some imagery, it looks like the tsunami is heading directly for hawaii.
Link? :confused:

[Matt Collins]

Yes, it was an earthquake from the same area in South America in 1960 that generated a tsunami that destroyed much of Hilo on the Big Island.

FROM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_Chilean_tsunami

The 1960 Valdivia earthquake or Great Chilean Earthquake (Spanish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language): Gran terremoto de Valdivia) of 22 May 1960 is to date the most powerful earthquake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake) ever recorded, rating 9.5 on the moment magnitude scale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_magnitude_scale).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_Chilean_tsunami#cite_note-usgs9.5-0) It occurred in the afternoon (19:11 GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT), 14:11 local time) and its resulting tsunami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami) affected southern Chile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile), Hawaii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii), Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan), the Philippines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines), eastern New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand), southeast Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia), and the Aleutian Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands) in Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska).


The epicenter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicenter) was near Cañete (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca%C3%B1ete,_Chile) (see map) some 900 km (435 miles) south of Santiago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago,_Chile), although Valdivia, Chile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdivia,_Chile) was the most affected city. It caused localised tsunamis that severely battered the Chilean coast, with waves up to 25 metres (82 ft). The main tsunami raced across the Pacific Ocean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ocean) and devastated Hilo, Hawaii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilo,_Hawaii). Waves as high as 10.7 metres (35 ft) were recorded 10,000 kilometres (6,000 miles) from the epicenter, and as far away as Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) and the Philippines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines).


Earthquake induced tsunamis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami) affected southern Chile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile), Hawaii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii), Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan), the Philippines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines), eastern New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand), south east Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) and the Aleutian Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands). Some localised tsunamis severely battered the Chilean coast, with waves up to 25 metres (82 ft). The main tsunami crossed the Pacific Ocean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ocean) at a speed of several hundred km/h (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Km/h) and devastated Hilo, Hawaii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilo,_Hawaii), killing 61 people, allegedly due to their failure to heed warning sirens. Hilo's position in the bay caused a cumulative bounce of tsunami waves far more destructive to Hilo than to other more exposed areas of Hawaii. Tsunami waves as high as 10.7 metres (35 ft) were recorded 10,000 kilometres (6,000 miles) from the epicentre, severas far away as Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) and the Philippines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines).

[Promontorium]

Yes, it was an earthquake from the same area in South America in 1960 that generated a tsunami that destroyed much of Hilo on the Big Island.

That was a 9.5, which would make it about 11 times more powerful than this earthquake.

[Juan McCain]

if 6 foot of flood waters . . . inundation areas very likely to have some damage . . .
stay safe . . . go mauka if you can.

[ronpaulhawaii]

That was a 9.5, which would make it about 11 times more powerful than this earthquake.

Yep, lots of variables though and always better safe than sorry. For certain MSM coverage is predictable.


if 6 foot of flood waters . . . inundation areas very likely to have some damage . . .
stay safe . . . go mauka if you can.

Yep, and the initial 6ft waves that hit Tahiti had to pass other island groups and shallows. There is nothing between Hawaii and Chile

[Proph]

I voted yes simply because there are going to be some retarded surfers out there trying to catch "mad waves, brah!"

Hopefully errehbodeh is safe, though.

[tmosley]

The size and power of a tsunami is not necessarily directly related to the energy released in an earthquake. It depends on how much water was displaced, and how quickly. A 7.0 Earthquake could cause a devastating tsunami if the direction of movement was straight up and down, and it happened in one sudden movement. A 9.8 might not create any tsunami at all if it is 100% horizontal movement. It is in my limited understanding that the Pacific plate is subsiding under the South American plate, so quakes there are more likely to produce tsunamis.

I am not a geologist, so a grain of salt would be useful here.

[The Patriot]

No, but there will be some awesome waves.

[dannno]

Link? :confused:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=233632

[dannno]

Nothing that i could see happened here, though maybe i left the beach too soon.

There was a 2' surge reported a bit south of where I was.

[BamaFanNKy]

My brother has a house next to the beach and he had the option of leaving. I don't think they forced anyone to do anything. He is now 1,200 feet up and 6 miles in.

The point? It was the state who was doing this, not the feds (from what I understand). Of course my sister in-law was called into work and is an Army nurse so, the Army is preparing for help if there is any issues.

[dannno]

I voted yes simply because there are going to be some retarded surfers out there trying to catch "mad waves, brah!"

Hopefully errehbodeh is safe, though.

Except that every surfer I know is smarter than you and knows tsunamis are not surfable. Does that make you retarded?

[fatjohn]

Except that every surfer I know is smarter than you and knows tsunamis are not surfable.

@proph: you should sooo prove him wrong, brah!

[Promontorium]

I win.

[Dojo]

I win.

DAMN You....

"BUT they were Blinding me with science - science!"
"Science!"
"Science!"
"They were Blinding me with science"