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InterestedParticipant
02-27-2010, 11:17 AM
1. Set 1 Goal: Individual Liberty.

2. Refuse to include or adopt positions on "issues" at a group level

3. Refuse all branding or labeling of individuals

4. Refuse all group association

5. We become only a collection of individuals that believe-in and tolerate individual liberty, that means that every person has the unalienable right to make up their own mind and develop their own opinions and to not be assigned a group label for those individual opinions.

If "we" can do that, and remain disciplined, then the individuals that are part of this movement cannot be co-opted. What am I missing?

Spider-Man
02-27-2010, 11:21 AM
So basically Campaign For Liberty.

TinCanToNA
02-27-2010, 11:26 AM
You will be labeled, no matter what. The media needs small names or abbreviations to fit in their soundbytes, so they will christen this movement if we don't ourselves.

Leaders will naturally develop. Perhaps there might not be a single leader, but all of the local leaders of them have their own views on things, and you will have the associations which you are trying to distance yourself from anyways. Issues will be adopted or seemingly adopted because of the more outspoken members. Furthermore, "individual liberty" naturally collides with numerous current policies, and that in itself will force adoption of positions against those policies.

If you want a truly "unhijackable" movement, you will need a single strong leader and hope he goes where you want him. Or she. This, Ron Paul is not. He, in fact, refuses leadership of us which is very noble of him, but also appears to have never worked out for his benefit...

torchbearer
02-27-2010, 11:31 AM
actually G. Edward Griffin has created a model of a movement that cannot be hijacked, so has Bin Laden.

mediahasyou
02-27-2010, 11:37 AM
we dont need a movement, we need an enlightenment.

Juan McCain
02-27-2010, 11:39 AM
To paraphrase some of the campaign in talking with our meet-up groups in Iowa last time around . . .

Our own "brand" is something that is good and desirable . . . from the campaign marketing strategy people.

ok slim jims and bumper stickers . . .yadayadayada

But our problem was that we were distorted and maligned by the media and other GOP candidates and blogs etc. -
and that was - and still may be - how we are "branded" . . . yes, that only shows their ignorance.

We have to overcome that "branding" -
we know what kinda stuff it is as so do the trolls all over the internet.

So we must keep up the intelligent conversation on issues, imho.

Still, I never have discouraged the grassroots youthful enthusiasm -
Ron Paul 2012 will need plenty of that as well -
and youthful enthusiasm is already part of our "brand" so to speak.

torchbearer
02-27-2010, 11:40 AM
we dont need a movement, we need an enlightenment.

movements can usher in periods of enlightenment.
though you are an intelligent individual, most people are sheep.
it will first take a leader to wake them up.
evidence- look at the number of people who are here now because of ron's campaign.
first they saw him smack Rudy around at the debate, then they started googling, then they watch a ton of youtubes and now they are on a path of liberty enlightenment.
but it required a spark from a leader.

Slutter McGee
02-27-2010, 11:40 AM
6. Relegate ourselves to the status of the Libertarian Party.

I certainly am not saying that we should give up our principles. Simply that alliances in which we hold many of the same short term goals is beneficial.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

InterestedParticipant
02-27-2010, 02:12 PM
we dont need a movement, we need an enlightenment.
Great goal & post.

However, I see no real movement in this direction, as it doesn't seem to be something anyone is taking seriously. People here just seem to mostly want to chase noise and meaningless action.

JamesButabi
02-27-2010, 02:17 PM
Closest thing ive seen to a nonhijackable movement is the Free State Project. All of the participants merely agree on a cohesive statement and thats where it ends. They don't endorse, direct, or guide. Theres is just a general realization that grouping a bunch of liberty minded people in the same area will have positive effects.