New Rand Paul ad owns Grayson

[itshappening]

YouTube - Rand Paul - Strong Defense (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnfeq0t5oho)

This is a slam dunk, we need to keep this on the air in Kentucky!

Donate and Pledge today!

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[itshappening]

Spread it and help keep it on the air!

Rand needs as much $$$ as possible

[Andrew-Austin]

Is it that great? Oh noes, Trey has pledged to work with the President of the US. That means what to conservative Kentuckians?

[torchbearer]

Is it that great? Oh noes, Trey has pledged to work with the President of the US. That means what to conservative Kentuckians?

that trey supports barrack obama. that is the association, and people in kentucky obviously don't like him.

[TheEvilDetector]

I don't like the ad at all.

My reasons:

1) Militaristic tone
2) Guilt by association
3) No real issues

I am sure Rand Paul is a far more complex character than this ad shows him to be.

[itshappening]

it shows Grayson for what he is, a moderate Republican

[MRoCkEd]

That's great!

[Andrew-Austin]

that trey supports barrack obama. that is the association, and people in kentucky obviously don't like him.

I see. Kind of a leap to me but if that is the conclusion they get..

[itshappening]

I don't like the ad at all.

My reasons:

1) Militaristic tone
2) Guilt by association
3) No real issues

I am sure Rand Paul is a far more complex character than this ad shows him to be.

this is a response to an attack ad, the issue ads will come closer to the election but I think this is a great early volley especially since Grayson started it

we need to keep this on the air in March, so Donate and Pledge!!

[specsaregood]

I see. Kind of a leap to me but if that is the conclusion they get..

You gotta keep in mind that Obama lost KY both in the primary and the general elections.

[TheEvilDetector]

this is a response to an attack ad, the issue ads will come closer to the election but I think this is a great early volley especially since Grayson started it

we need to keep this on the air in March, so Donate and Pledge!!

Fair enough, but I think Rand would be served well not to get too deeply involved (and as a result distracted and sidetracked) with inane advertisements.

My guess is that the message Rand has to offer is quite different to the status quo message and therefore needs to be expressed in non status quo type advertisements to differentiate itself.

[itshappening]

Keep the ad on the air!

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[TruthisTreason]

YouTube - Rand Paul - Strong Defense (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnfeq0t5oho)

This is a slam dunk, we need to keep this on the air in Kentucky!

Donate and Pledge today!

http://www.randpaul2010.com

http://www.winrandwin.com/

The attack video ----
YouTube - Trey Grayson on National Defense (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPsnNGKlQHg)

Obama is not popular in Kentucky!

[sofia]

I don't like the ad at all.

My reasons:

1) Militaristic tone
2) Guilt by association
3) No real issues

I am sure Rand Paul is a far more complex character than this ad shows him to be.

This aint a Harvard debating contest. It's a GOP primary.

Know your audience.

The ad is perfect.

[itshappening]

we need to keep this on the air in March, it'll cost 10's of thousands to do so

the campaign needs more funds

[itshappening]

bump

[TheEvilDetector]

This aint a Harvard debating contest. It's a GOP primary.

Know your audience.

The ad is perfect.

What is the implication about the audience in your post?

[MRoCkEd]

What is the implication about the audience in your post?
KY Republican Primary voters are very pro-military and anti-Obama.

[Flash]

Fair enough, but I think Rand would be served well not to get too deeply involved (and as a result distracted and sidetracked) with inane advertisements.

My guess is that the message Rand has to offer is quite different to the status quo message and therefore needs to be expressed in non status quo type advertisements to differentiate itself.

I disagree. He is already the clear front runner, all he needs to do is secure the election. And pointing out Grayson (his opponent) voted for Clinton is the way to do it.

[Flash]

In 1998 and again in 2000, Paul defeated Loy Sneary, a Democratic Bay City rice farmer and former Matagorda County judge,[9] running ads warning voters to be "leery of" Sneary.

Oh noes Ron Paul is a traitor too. Attacking opponents with negative ads.

[itshappening]

exactly, Rand's "attack" needs to simply to paint Grayson as a moderate Republican compromiser which is not what primary voters want

[TheEvilDetector]

KY Republican Primary voters are very pro-military and anti-Obama.

I see.

If that's all that's needed to seal the deal in KY, why complicate matters I suppose.

[itshappening]

'Kentucky doesn't want another Arlen Specter'

he should say that from time to time too.

[itshappening]

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help keep it on the air to counter Grayson's lies

[PBrady]

I don't like the ad at all.

My reasons:

1) Militaristic tone
2) Guilt by association
3) No real issues

I am sure Rand Paul is a far more complex character than this ad shows him to be.
This.

Also, I just watched the original attack ad, and it didn't really address anything that Grayson brought up. Of course Grayson was wrong, but this "reply" ad did NOTHING to correct him.

YouTube - Friends of Trey Grayson TV Spot - "Rand" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03cm0Zyfbzw)

Honestly, Rand's was one of the worst ads I've seen - particularly given the heavy attack Greyson lobbed during his.

[emazur]

I don't like the ad at all.

My reasons:

1) Militaristic tone
2) Guilt by association
3) No real issues


Ditto, but you missed the most important reason. According to this ad, the state OWNS you and you don't have the right to dodge the draft, even for one of America's most flawed and failed militaristic adventures - Vietnam. To do so would be unAmerican and justifies being thrown in jail (and if you resist, worthy of being shot down).

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/gfx_RedWhiteBlue/icons/icon13.gifhttp://www.ronpaulforums.com/gfx_RedWhiteBlue/icons/icon13.giffor this ad

If I was running against Rand, I'd counter by saying Rand thinks the state has a claim on your life and that he supported the Vietnam War, and I'd hammer away until he relented. If he didn't, well that would tell me all I needed to know about Rand Paul.

[PBrady]

Ditto, but you missed the most important reason. According to this ad, the state OWNS you and you don't have the right to dodge the draft, even for one of America's most flawed and failed militaristic adventures - Vietnam. To do so would be unAmerican and justifies being thrown in jail (and if you resist, worthy of being shot down).

Yeah, that too.

I mean, he easily could have debunked the "you don't have to cut military spending to balance the budget" argument, but instead retorted with "YEAH, WELL HE VOTED FOR A DRAFT DODGER AND SAID HE WAS GONNA WORK WITH BARACK OBAMA" (the latter of which he has used twice now).

I have donated to him in the past, and won't take donating to him in the future off the table, but I think I'll keep my money focused locally on BJ Lawson for now.

[MelissaWV]

At this stage in the races going on, it's always interesting to actually read the job description and duties of the position someone's running for, then see the candidates' ads and what they talk about.

This whole exchange between them makes me facepalm.

[fisharmor]

If I was running against Rand, I'd counter by saying Rand thinks the state has a claim on your life and that he supported the Vietnam War, and I'd hammer away until he relented. If he didn't, well that would tell me all I needed to know about Rand Paul.

You assume anyone would care.

[TheTyke]

If I was running against Rand, I'd counter by saying Rand thinks the state has a claim on your life and that he supported the Vietnam War, and I'd hammer away until he relented. If he didn't, well that would tell me all I needed to know about Rand Paul.

Congrats! You just finished at 7% of the vote in the Republican primary of Kentucky.

Heck, my brother, still acts like anyone who opposed the Viet Nam war did it because they were communists. And he is better informed than most of the Republican electorate here, who would react even more viciously to an ad like that. I'm frankly glad the campaign doesn't get too much advise here... I like that so many people understand the philosophy and ideas, and this may help us educate people and change our country down the road... but they really do not grasp the first thing about winning elections.

[teamrican1]

I don't like the ad at all.

My reasons:

2) Guilt by association

I am sure Rand Paul is a far more complex character than this ad shows him to be.

Disagree on #2. It's not guilt by association. Greyson says that as Secretary of State he'll do everything he can to work with Barack Obama when what he should be doing is everything he can to resist Barack Obama. It's completely fair line of attack. Believe me, the words nullification and interposition are two words you will never hear coming from Greyson's mouth in his capacity Secretary of State. He truly believes that the Feds are superior to the State under the Federal Constitution and that he is duty bound to help the Feds impose whatever unconstitutional schemes they desire on to the people of Kentucky. I don't like the militarism either, but we have to take things one step at a time. Keeping our military "strong" while withdrawing from all the wars and foreign bases is the best way to frame things from a PR standpoint. Once they are all home we can work on disbanding the standing army.

[Annihilia]

Can't say I'm a fan of this ad, but I understand it's what it takes to win. Man do I hate politics, lol.

[itshappening]

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help keep it on the air to counter Grayson's lies

[itshappening]

bump

[0zzy]

It was going good, but instead of wasting space with Clinton and Obama he should of mentioned

Pro-national defense, pro-american, will stand up for the constitution and demand a deceleration. (this is what his press releases say)

I like the Arlen Spector thing tho. "He voted for Bill Clinton, he wants to work with Obama. Do we really need another Arlen Spector representing Republicans?"

[Jeros]

Fuck that ad! I'll dodge a draft too. :mad:

[sofia]

What is the implication about the audience in your post?

That most of them are uber-patriotic, somewhat war mongerish, and not easily moved by philosophic discourse...

[itshappening]

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help keep it on the air to counter Grayson's lies

[Matt Collins]

I don't like the ad at all.

My reasons:

1) Militaristic tone
2) Guilt by association
3) No real issues

I am sure Rand Paul is a far more complex character than this ad shows him to be.
Of course, but this is electoral politics and you only have 30 seconds! This is (unfortunately) where the rubber meets the road in American political discourse :(


Can't say I'm a fan of this ad, but I understand it's what it takes to win. Man do I hate politics, lol.
Exactly. :cool:


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[Stary Hickory]

I don't like the ad at all.

My reasons:

1) Militaristic tone
2) Guilt by association
3) No real issues

I am sure Rand Paul is a far more complex character than this ad shows him to be.

The national defense bit was fine. Grayson is going to try and go after Rand for his foreign policy views. The one legitimate function of government is defense. Rand stated he was for a strong defense...and who would not be? It doesn't mean that he supports the wars overseas.

[Juan McCain]

For one - between those two ads we've mostly seen just Grayson speaking . . .
we know that is what he wants to talk about - defense.

People in KY need to resolve what is the common defense the constitution gives authorization for -
we won Saddam is gone - most terrorists are on the run.

and they need to make a decision about how much money you can bleed from people for war long-term - the long-term costs go on and on.

KY jobs don't need to only be at Fort Campbell -
bringing them home and protecting the homeland . . . that is the common defense the constitution calls for.

[Justinjj1]

Rand Paul is a douche. I hope they throw his militaristic, neocon ass in Guantanamo and see how he likes it.

[Matt Collins]

Rand Paul is a douche. I hope they throw his militaristic, neocon ass in Guantanamo and see how he likes it.
Coming from the person with very few posts :rolleyes:



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[Giuliani was there on 911]

lol what a wonderful the ad that is. You guys don't understand how dumb the general population is, this is how they deserve to be spoken to. But at least this time one of the good guys is doing it. Ads like that are all they understand. Lmao @ "voted for draft dodger bill clinton"

[Liberty Stud]

Great ad. "Career politician Trey Grayson...." hahaha.

[TheEvilDetector]

lol what a wonderful the ad that is. You guys don't understand how dumb the general population is, this is how they deserve to be spoken to. But at least this time one of the good guys is doing it. Ads like that are all they understand. Lmao @ "voted for draft dodger bill clinton"

I'd personally hate to "dumb down" advertisements to increase their positive reception due to prior public media conditioning.

I don't think the people are dumb per se, but they don't seem to spend much time thinking critically and trying to find extra information, which I suppose is not completely their fault, given the number of distractions and responsibilities in modern life.

[Depressed Liberator]

I'm feeling sort of uneasy about Rand's foreign policy. I've actually felt this way for a while. I don't know what to think.

[libertythor]

This is the kind of ad that Ron Paul should have run.

[Matt Collins]

I'd personally hate to "dumb down" advertisements to increase their positive reception due to prior public media conditioning.

I don't think the people are dumb per se, but they don't seem to spend much time thinking critically and trying to find extra information, which I suppose is not completely their fault, given the number of distractions and responsibilities in modern life.
The reality is that educating the People is a lot different than winning their vote. Ron ran to educate and we see where that got him in terms of electoral victory (but he started a revolution). Rand is running to win, and he is ahead. Two entirely different objectives there! :)


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[TheEvilDetector]

The reality is that educating the People is a lot different than winning their vote. Ron ran to educate and we see where that got him in terms of electoral victory (but he started a revolution). Rand is running to win, and he is ahead. Two entirely different objectives there! :)


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I see. Makes sense I suppose.

[rockandrollsouls]

lol what a wonderful the ad that is. You guys don't understand how dumb the general population is, this is how they deserve to be spoken to. But at least this time one of the good guys is doing it. Ads like that are all they understand. Lmao @ "voted for draft dodger bill clinton"

Bingo. Rand and his campaign guys are very, very smart. They are running a race that we should be modeling at all levels.

As for Rand's foreign policy, he couldn't be more clear. Why would some of you be skeptical? If he beats the dead horse any more it's going to affect his campaign.

Some key points to remember:

1) Principled. Doesn't compromise, but speaks to the points the public wants to hear.
2) Well spoken and polite. Doesn't bash others, no matter how much he disagrees.
3) Highlights competitor's weak points, particularly those the public will react to.

In conclusion, Rand is the model for a principled, uncompromising candidate that knows how to play his cards. Just because he highlights certain talking points or tailors his ads in a way that will garner support from the general population, it doesn't mean he's compromising or changing his stance or anything; he's just very, very clever.

I've been preaching this method from the mountaintops for ages, particularly with regard to the Collins/Wamp incident (no offense, Matt,) and Rand goes to show it is the best way to go about things. He's killing them with kindness, people admire his stance on the issues, and he doesn't throw himself under the bus.

[TheEvilDetector]

Bingo. Rand and his campaign guys are very, very smart. They are running a race that we should be modeling at all levels.

As for Rand's foreign policy, he couldn't be more clear. Why would some of you be skeptical? If he beats the dead horse any more it's going to affect his campaign.

Some key points to remember:

1) Principled. Doesn't compromise, but speaks to the points the public wants to hear.
2) Well spoken and polite. Doesn't bash others, no matter how much he disagrees.
3) Highlights competitor's weak points, particularly those the public will react to.

In conclusion, Rand is the model for a principled, uncompromising candidate that knows how to play his cards. Just because he highlights certain talking points or tailors his ads in a way that will garner support from the general population, it doesn't mean he's compromising or changing his stance or anything; he's just very, very clever.

I've been preaching this method from the mountaintops for ages, particularly with regard to the Collins/Wamp incident (no offense, Matt,) and Rand goes to show it is the best way to go about things. He's killing them with kindness, people admire his stance on the issues, and he doesn't throw himself under the bus.

I have a foreign policy question.

If Rand had the means to achieve it, would he pull all troops out of middle east asap?

[Austin]

I have a foreign policy question.

If Rand had the means to achieve it, would he pull all troops out of middle east asap?

He doesn't believe it's the responsibility of congress to control troop levels, but instead the responsibility of the commander-in-chief.

[TheEvilDetector]

He doesn't believe it's the responsibility of congress to control troop levels, but instead the responsibility of the commander and chief.

Ok, let me rephrase:

Does he personally wish to see all US middle east based troops return home immediately?

[Juan McCain]

it shows Grayson for what he is, a moderate Republican

In this regard it's ok . . . but to a totally outside observer . . .
Grayson seems to be controlling the dialogue to be about defense.

The spot with the association of Grayson with Clinton and Obama . . . very good.
So, my suggestion . . . imho, carry the ball and run with it more ?

I see something like the Grayson line about "I will work with Obama"
then playing the audio of Grayson's words "I will work with Obama"
over "fat cat" depictions . . .

like the big health insurance companies with loads of cash coming in . . .
stuffing it in their pockets in a board room with Obama and Grayson pictures on the wall . . .
"30 million new customers . . . health insurance companies stock rises . . .
(few Kentuckians are benefitting from that "working with Obama")
then . . .
Rand Paul - working for Kentucky

so yeah, . . . more powerful suggestions that Obama and Grayson are a bit of a team.

Heck while it's Rand's campaign call . . .
some humor can help . . .
photoshop a surgeon's hat over Grayson and show it with this picture of NObama.

http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq47/panamajohn/docobama.jpg

Good luck . . . putting down NObamaCare and Grayson with it.

[Giuliani was there on 911]

Here's the next ad that Rand Paul should put out






*show that clip of Grayson saying he wants to work with Obama*

Grayson says he wants to work with Obama, but according to some of the most respected and trusted men in this country , president Obama's policies are directly aiding the terrorists who want to harm us.

*run a list of quotes by Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Dick Cheney,etc with their pictures, that say Obama's policies help terrorists*

So if Obama is helping the terrorists and Grayson wants to work with Obama, ask yourselves, who is Grayson really working for ?

Grayson strong on defense ? You decide for yourself

I'm Rand Paul and I approve of this message

[Natalie]

That is a great ad!! Wow!!

[Fozz]

Here's the next ad that Rand Paul should put out

*show that clip of Grayson saying he wants to work with Obama*

Grayson says he wants to work with Obama, but according to some of the most respected and trusted men in this country , president Obama's policies are directly aiding the terrorists who want to harm us.

*run a list of quotes by Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Dick Cheney,etc with their pictures, that say Obama's policies help terrorists*

So if Obama is helping the terrorists and Grayson wants to work with Obama, ask yourselves, who is Grayson really working for ?

Grayson strong on defense ? You decide for yourself

I'm Rand Paul and I approve of this message

Such an ad would make me puke.

[John Taylor]

Ok, let me rephrase:

Does he personally wish to see all US middle east based troops return home immediately?

ALL? No.

Many? Probably.

We should start with getting them out of Germany, Japan and Korea, then work our way towards more contentious areas. He has said that our troops should be out of Iraq as soon as it is stabilized, and that he would have voted for war against Afghanistan.

He's a non-interventionist, should be pretty clear.

[John Taylor]

Such an ad would make me puke.

I'm not sure this ad strategy is the best way to go... why not use Palin? Grayson can't touch her.

[Giuliani was there on 911]

Such an ad would make me puke.


Yeah, but 95% of Kentucky's GOP would love it. And the other 5% are smart enough to understand what's really going on.

[Jeros]

That is a great ad!! Wow!!

Really? Really?? So an implicit compromise of principles is required to win elections? Is this what we are going to cheer for? If a little compromise is good, is a lot of compromise better? Maybe would can become the next establishment party by lying about our principles! I don't think anybody has tried that yet! That would be awesome. We will get so many votes. We will win so many elections! Idiots everywhere will praise us!

I have always found that the easiest and most effective way to get people to support an ideological ends is by tricking them into agreeing with you. When they figure out they had been had, they will be way too embarrassed to admit their mistake and just continue supporting your means and ends. :rolleyes:

[Fozz]

Yeah, but 95% of Kentucky's GOP would love it. And the other 5% are smart enough to understand what's really going on.

No, your example stoops down far too low. I doubt that everyone is that stupid, and it will simply make Rand Paul look bad. It would also be slanderous and very dishonest.

[Juan McCain]

*show that clip of Grayson saying he wants to work with Obama*

*run a list of quotes by Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Dick Cheney,etc with their pictures, that say Obama's policies help terrorists*



Such an ad would make me puke.


I'm not sure this ad strategy is the best way to go... why not use Palin? Grayson can't touch her.

Palin ? If anything . . . use his Dad . . .RP . . . which Rand IS being attacked over.

Or shift Grayson's support and cooperation with Obama to other parts of the now dying down Obamamania . . .
non-defense issues or the combo - defense/defense spending/economy/jobs . . .

So, "Grayson is for cooperation with Obama" . . . oh yeah . . . "how much cooperation with Obama - on what ?"
Grayson is leaving voters guessing that, so Rand can fill in the blanks for Kentuckians.
Let Grayson eat some crow on that exact quote surely, in heavily Republican Kentucky.

But using Rush, Beck, Dick Cheney talking points ? . . .
( reeeccch . . . excuse me, I have to . . . ooompf . . . . ruunnnn to the . . . .splaaat . . . john.

[Juan McCain]

So how much IS Grayson beating it over everyone in Kentucky how he looks forward to working for Obama . . . ?
the words "President Obama" seem to just slide off his lips easy . . . he sure likes saying it.

Another clip, again in his own words, with worse lighting than the better lit, polished Grayson ad . . .

It would show to Kentuckians that Grayson has used Obama as his prop now several times -
Several coal miners walking off work past the gate talkin' to one another . . . "It must be a core of his philosophy ther' boys"

So, looping the 37 second mark in the clip below over and over
Grayson : "working with President Obama"
"working with President Obama"
"working with President Obama"

only takes a few seconds of time in the ad -
or mix all the different occasions Grayson has said it as a video "collage" . . .

Possibly . . . could use Grayson's "ballots not bullets" . . . maybe not.
The same guys at a pizza joint with the kids or whatever . . .
"wait there guys, does Grayson want to go takin' away my ammo for duck hunting season too"
Grayson : "not bullets"
"not bullets"
"not bullets"

@www.youtube.com/watch?v=B87WE2LBjkg

YouTube - Secretary Grayson's inaugural greeting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B87WE2LBjkg)

Rand Paul - working for Kentucky, not NObama

[rockandrollsouls]

Really? Really?? So an implicit compromise of principles is required to win elections? Is this what we are going to cheer for? If a little compromise is good, is a lot of compromise better? Maybe would can become the next establishment party by lying about our principles! I don't think anybody has tried that yet! That would be awesome. We will get so many votes. We will win so many elections! Idiots everywhere will praise us!

I have always found that the easiest and most effective way to get people to support an ideological ends is by tricking them into agreeing with you. When they figure out they had been had, they will be way too embarrassed to admit their mistake and just continue supporting your means and ends. :rolleyes:

Do you care to show us where, at all, the ad compromise principles in the least?

Rand is just smart; he knows the buzzwords. Get your head out of your behind and quit saying Rand is "compromising." He's not at all....he's like his father but better at "playing the game."

What you're saying is pure speculation and nonsense. If you think you can do it better and come out on top, YOU run for office.