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FrankRep
02-24-2010, 04:56 PM
Links promoting the article:
ht tp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/24/840350/-Ron-Paul-Is-A-White-Supremacist
ht tp://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/opinion-ron-paul-is-a-white-supremacist/


Ron Paul Is A White Supremacist

DailyKos
Feb 24, 2010


DailyKos brings up the racist letters allegedly written by Ron Paul.

On the John Birch Society, they bring up the KICKED OUT members (William Pierce, Tom Metzger) who later created prominent racist organizations. DailyKos fails to point out they were removed from the JBS organization many years ago.


In defense of the John Birch Society:

The John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/) doesn't support racism or anti-semitism. The JBS has many Black and Jewish members in the society, including JBS writers like Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell.


Black JBS writers:


Thomas Sowell (http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/6014-too-many-apologies-)

http://www.jbs.org/images/stories/columnists/sowell.001.jpg


Walter Williams (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/walter-williams/2912-black-opportunity-destruction)

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories/columnists/walterwilliams.001.jpg


Jewish member on the JBS National Council

David Eisenberg, JBS Jewish National Councilman. (http://www.jbs.org/john-birch-society-national-council)

http://www.jbs.org/images/stories/Article_Images/JBS_Leaders/eisenberg_sm.jpg


The John Birch Society Speakers Bureau:


Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson (http://www.jbs.org/action/speakers-bureau/1745)

http://www.jbs.org/images/stories/Speakers_Bureau/rev.jessepeterson.001-001.jpg


Reverend Steven L. Craft (http://www.jbs.org/action/speakers-bureau/1742)

http://www.jbs.org/images/stories/Speakers_Bureau/rev.stevencraft.001-001.jpg


Wilton Alston (http://www.jbs.org/action/speakers-bureau/1756)

http://www.jbs.org/images/stories/Speakers_Bureau/wiltalston.001-001.jpg


John Birch Society denounces Racism:



The associated press ran an article falsely claiming that the john birch society (JBS) harbored racism and anti-Semitism. Article by Dennis Behreandt



Racism and the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/1717-racism-and-the-john-birch-society)


Dennis Behreandt | John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
Thursday, 29 May 2008


The John Birch Society was falsely accused of racism and anti-Semitism by an Associated Press reporter, who offers no proof. The article appeared in 125+ news outlets over the 2008 Memorial Day weekend.

It is often suggested in the media that the John Birch Society harbors some elements of racism and anti-Semitism. That's a curious thing, particularly since the John Birch Society is always likewise noted as staunchly ultraconservative and anti-Communist.

A case in point comes from a recent Associated Press article by Shelia Byrd entitled "AP engages pastors, parishoners about racism in US." Midway through the article, discussing a church located in the Los Angeles suburb of San Marino, Byrd writes: "Before the 1960s, it was common for properties in San Marino to have a legal stipulation banning sales to blacks and Jews, and until 1989 the city was national headquarters to the ultraconservative, anti-communist John Birch Society."

Byrd and the Associated Press clearly want readers to take away one thought from this sentence: San Marino is a racist community, the anti-Communist John Birch Society had a headquarters (actually, it was just a regional office) there, therfore, the John Birch Society, like anti-communists generally, is racist.

There is more than one fallacy at work in this type of propagandistic construction. First, though two indicators, in a general sense, may be seen as rising in tandem, it is not necessarily the case that there is a causal relationship between the two. This is elementary logic. Consider the following syllogism as an example: Fish swim. Scuba divers swim. Ergo, scuba divers are fish.

Obviously, scuba divers are not fish, and anyone using such an argument to claim that they are is a fool. And yet, this is exactly the type of specious reasoning employed by Byrd in attempting to impute racism to the John Birch Society by leveling an ugly insult at the community in which the organization's headquarters were once located. By that standard, every resident and every business in that community is also racist, according to Byrd.

But the fallacious reasoning does not end there. Byrd implies that anti-communists are racists. On the contrary, anyone who knows anything about communism would know immediately that real anti-communists can never be racists.

Communism, like any other variant of socialism, is by its very nature collectivist. That means that communists, and communist theory, consider people at the level of the group. To a communist there are only groups of people like the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. But committed communists don't stop at those two classifications. The communist dialectic requires groups to pit against each other in order to form an ultimate synthesis. Thus, wherever communists are active, they seek to define victim groups and oppressors. These are arbitrary and are as often based on ethnicities and religions as on economics. In simple terms, communist rhetoric and theory is little more than an embrace of crude tribalism.

To be anti-communist, then, is to be opposed to the brute classification of individuals by group. Because racism is nothing more than an arbitrary classification of individuals, real anti-communists must invariably oppose racism. As such, the John Birch Society has always held that racism and anti-Semitism are not only morally repugnant, but are the tools used by communists to sow discord and rancor amongst the citizens of a nation.

Byrd and the Associated Press, it should be noted, also use the label "ultraconservative" in an attempt to discredit the John Birch Society. In the context of the United States of America, however, "ultraconservative" is not a pejorative. In fact, it should be viewed as a form of praise.

To be a conservative in any nation is to desire to respect and, if necessary, to conserve those institutions that have proven their worth over time. Consequently, the word "conservative" can mean many different things in different places. An ultraconservative in London might conceivably be a strong advocate of British imperial ambition and monarchical power. In Moscow during the Gorbachev era (and even today), a conservative will likely be a supporter of Soviet-style secular tyranny.

In the United States, however, a conservative is one who seeks to support and retain the traditional institutions of the U.S. government, including the rule of law under the Constitution, and the political doctrines of individual rights and freedom as espoused by the Founding Fathers.

In celebrating and upholding the latter, The John Birch Society, as the Associated Press notes, is both anti-communist and ultraconservative. As a natural consequence, the Society both opposes collectivism in all its forms, including racism and anti-Semitism, and strongly supports the doctrines of individual freedom that have made this nation the greatest on Earth. Anyone who doubts this can ask any of our members, speakers and writers, including those who are African American and Jewish.


SOURCE:
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/1717-racism-and-the-john-birch-society

FrankRep
02-24-2010, 05:08 PM
Edit: I'll wait for an official JBS response.


Ron Paul I believe released a statement about the staffer who was fired because they were the ghost writer. Where can I get that statement?

catdd
02-24-2010, 05:12 PM
Better to get this settled before the next elections.

georgiaboy
02-24-2010, 05:21 PM
Isn't DailyKos basically liberal/progressive? Why would they attack RP/JBS? Seems like to them, a divided GOP is the best thing in the world for them.

Is it because, just like the big gov't Republicans, the imperialist Democrats also sense a tide shifting on their side away from all the social engineering of their controlling establishment and toward freedom & true non-interventionism internationally? hmmmm.....

AParadigmShift
02-24-2010, 05:22 PM
Jeez, if only Ron had let a young girl drown in a car, or abused a woman with a cigar. . . he'd be on easy street.

Whether RP personally wrote those newsletters or not, I do not find them so much racist, only lacking PCness, and that is something we should applaud.

Guitarzan
02-24-2010, 05:29 PM
Isn't DailyKos basically liberal/progressive? Why would they attack RP/JBS? Seems like to them, a divided GOP is the best thing in the world for them.

Is it because, just like the big gov't Republicans, the imperialist Democrats also sense a tide shifting on their side away from all the social engineering of their controlling establishment and toward freedom & true non-interventionism internationally? hmmmm.....


The Lefty sites attack Ron Paul because he has alot more in common with the liberals than what the lefty gatekeepers want their underlings to realize.

In other words, they don't want Paul peeling away any more of the liberal base than he already has, which he could/would/is doing every passing day.

catdd
02-24-2010, 05:34 PM
Isn't DailyKos basically liberal/progressive? Why would they attack RP/JBS? Seems like to them, a divided GOP is the best thing in the world for them.

Is it because, just like the big gov't Republicans, the imperialist Democrats also sense a tide shifting on their side away from all the social engineering of their controlling establishment and toward freedom & true non-interventionism internationally? hmmmm.....


He is a threat to the status quo - left and right.

Anti Federalist
02-24-2010, 05:34 PM
They attack RP for the same reason HotAir, LGF and other neocon sites attack him.

They all are, above everything else, statist. They worship at the alter of the almighty state: everything else is secondary to increasing the power and control of the state.

The only difference is slight variations on what they think the state should do.

purplechoe
02-24-2010, 05:45 PM
are the DailyKos guys coordinating with Reason on this one?

FrankRep
02-24-2010, 05:47 PM
are the DailyKos guys coordinating with Reason on this one?
Both articles were posted the same day. Sounds fishy.

merrimac
02-24-2010, 05:57 PM
The Democrats who read Daily Kos would never vote for Ron Paul anyway. And for the few Republicans reading the article it will probably make them like Paul more since he's being attacked by such a partison paper.

Don't worry about these attacks. If anything, we should be happy about them. I can remember when MoveOn attacked Rudy Giullioni before the primaries and all the other Republicans were secretly jealous.

Don't worry about and don't divert even a small fraction of your efforts rebutting these attacks. Just focus on promoting Paul's message. But if you must rebut the "racist" allegation, just point out that anyone who supports the Federal Reserve System and the Drug Wars are doing more harm to the black community than anything Paul has done.

Immortal Technique
02-24-2010, 06:08 PM
There was David Duke,
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jav7FPZftEU/SMm9tROBuDI/AAAAAAAAAYk/TJZmZBhSlGY/s400/kkk_david_duke.jpg

And Robert Byrd (Democrat)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Jav7FPZftEU/SMm_8g15t-I/AAAAAAAAAYs/FSaCSqa7UyU/s400/Robert+Byrd.jpg

Both of whom organized this community.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Jav7FPZftEU/SMnAK7loy8I/AAAAAAAAAY0/lA_6L6fp_nY/s400/kkk_dcmarch.jpg

FrankRep
02-24-2010, 06:31 PM
Attacks on The John Birch Society (JBS) and the Ron Paul movement by people like Will Bunch is nothing new. by Art Thompson


CPAC Brings Left-wing Attacks on the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/6007-cpac-brings-leftwing-attacks-on-jbs)


Art Thompson, CEO | John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
23 February 2010


Attacks on The John Birch Society are nothing new. However, one does get tired of the lack of civility of the style in which they are addressed. And, truth seems to be considered old fashioned in the liberal media.

The latest example of pugilistic verbiage and “facts” looking more like rubber bands than factual information comes from Will Bunch on the philly.com blog site. The blog’s subtext is “anything & everything philly.” Apparently, the news business is slow in Philly, because Bunch felt it necessary to write an obnoxious hit piece on The John Birch Society rather than cover news and events in the city of Brotherly Love. It is a bit of a stretch to figure out what The John Birch Society attending the recent CPAC conference in Washington, D. C. has to do with Philadelphia. Bunch must have gotten writer’s block and needed something to say about something ― anything.

Bunch takes as his starting point the fact that Ron Paul won the CPAC straw poll. There’s got to be trouble in that somewhere, right? Well, for Bunch and other libs the trouble comes from Ron Paul’s acceptance of The John Birch Society. Clearly, Bunch sees in both Paul and JBS some sort of threat to America (or is that to liberal America?) So he smears Ron Paul with the JBS and the JBS with Paul.

The title of his article is “John Birch wins 2012 straw poll at CPAC (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/John_Birch_wins_2012_straw_poll_at_CPAC.html).” It takes a few seconds of reading to discover that it wasn’t the JBS who won the poll but Ron Paul. Why then didn’t the title refer to Paul winning? The answer is that it doesn’t fit the agenda of the writer.

In reading the article it is obvious that the man is obsessed with the JBS since he has spent a good deal of time going through our website and articles about the Society from other sources. But, we do not remember him contacting us for any clarification or for our response to the charges made. The fact is, these charges have been drummed up again after decades of dormancy because the Left is running scared again. When they run scared, they use scare tactics. Bunch simply started to run with “faulty” gleaned from other sources.

Such as Robert Welch, the Founder of the JBS, calling Eisenhower a Communist. Read the book. It is called The Politician. The book is not even hard to find. You can get a copy here (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/the-politician.html). People like Bunch, though, don’t want people to read the book and form their own opinions. Rather, they just throw out a smear and hope people buy it and form the desired bias. When you think about it, that is just downright insulting to those reading Bunch’s column. Ultimately, when this strategy is successful, truth takes a back seat to fear.


http://www.jbs.org/images/stories/Book_Covers/politician.001.jpg (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/the-politician.html)


And there’s a double standard too, when it comes to factual reporting. When we report the truth, it sometimes causes discomfort. Problems in government, mistreatment of prisoners, torture, conspiracy — any one of a number of subjects that we honestly investigate tend to be frightening when you think about their consequences. But when mainstream sources or liberals in general engage in serious journalism of this type (I know, it is increasingly a rarity), they are called responsible reporters. We, on the other hand, are too often dismissed, and worse.

This is not just a complaint of mistreatment. Instead, it is a very serious matter indeed.

Our delivery of facts is intended to get people to wake up to the dangers to the Constitution and to the independence and liberty of the American people. The left wants to abrogate the Constitution all the while saying they are defending it. The ACLU is a prime example.

It is all well and good to defend a part of the Constitution, such as First Amendment, for example. But those who do not defend the entire Constitution because some of its parts run counter to ideology do a gross injustice to the American people. Seldom do liberals defend the Second Amendment as they defend the First. And, it is very rarely that they ever even mention the Tenth Amendment that reserves power to the states and the people.

They do not mention it because they do not want the people to ask why the federal government is taking unto itself powers reserved to the people and the states. As they say, out of sight, out of mind.

So by attacking The John Birch Society and the Ron Paul’s of the world, they hope to stop people from listening to what is really going on.

Just to clarify, we do not support candidates for office, nor do we support political parties or raise funds for people to run. That is not our job. We are thankful when men such as Ron Paul stand up for much of what we stand for.


SOURCE:
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/6007-cpac-brings-leftwing-attacks-on-jbs

paulitics
02-24-2010, 08:46 PM
I just noticed there is nothing but crickets over there regarding the extension of the patriot act. THEY ARE USELESS ASSHATS.

FrankRep
02-24-2010, 08:56 PM
I just noticed there is nothing but crickets over there regarding the extension of the patriot act. THEY ARE USELESS ASSHATS.
Who is useless?

RonPaulCult
02-24-2010, 09:09 PM
Kos means vagina in Farsi so um....there

FrankRep
02-24-2010, 09:10 PM
"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist."


---Ron Paul, 2007 (http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst041607.htm)

InterestedParticipant
02-24-2010, 09:20 PM
How does this discussion promote the ideals of liberty for all? Just pitting one group against another in another set of mindless energy absorbing battles that benefits no one.

Let Kos, the left vector-leader, speak to his left-vectored audience. If they don't know his dad is CIA, then that's their problem.

FrankRep
02-24-2010, 09:35 PM
How does this discussion promote the ideals of liberty for all? Just pitting one group against another in another set of mindless energy absorbing battles that benefits no one.

Let Kos, the left vector-leader, speak to his left-vectored audience. If they don't know his dad is CIA, then that's their problem.

You're right. I need to just ignore it.

InterestedParticipant
02-24-2010, 09:43 PM
You're right. I need to just ignore it.
Kos is a short little fellow with a whinny voice who has no problem whining a lot. Ignore the noise.

Danke
02-24-2010, 09:45 PM
Kos means vagina in Farsi so um....there

DailyKos = Daily Pussy?

RonPaulCult
02-24-2010, 09:48 PM
DailyKos = Daily Pussy?

Yes - for real! When I mention the site to my Persian wife, she snickers every time.

reardenstone
02-24-2010, 09:56 PM
Isn't DailyKos basically liberal/progressive? Why would they attack RP/JBS? Seems like to them, a divided GOP is the best thing in the world for them.

Is it because, just like the big gov't Republicans, the imperialist Democrats also sense a tide shifting on their side away from all the social engineering of their controlling establishment and toward freedom & true non-interventionism internationally? hmmmm.....

This is good in a way because it means that they left is really fearful of Ron Paul. If he was no threat they would ignore him or humor him like Rachel Maddow does.

What we need are more attack dog blogs for Ron Paul. We could nip this in the bud now by:

1. Posting refutations of this and myth-busting all of these Newsletter and JBS claims of racism with proof and out own defense pieces.


2. Once the pieces are out there start in on legal action against groups for slander and libel. That would take it public and put it down for once and for all. I know it is not the approach most liberty people like but when this is our chance, we can't just let his good name be smeared like that.

Danke
02-24-2010, 09:58 PM
Yes - for real! When I mention the site to my Persian wife, she snickers every time.

I wonder if this had any influence in Josh picking "Liberty Forest."

reardenstone
02-24-2010, 10:03 PM
I have read through about 10 comments now, all DailyKOS assholes, and I am getting sick.

If they hate the constitution so much why don't they go somewhere else? No. They want to destroy our country and make it over in their image.
They want to steal and usurp which makes them the ultimate hypocrites.

reardenstone
02-24-2010, 10:17 PM
okay... Why is Reason going after Ron Paul?

I don't understand why you would go after someone who think 80% or more the same as you do?

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-24-2010, 10:27 PM
okay... Why is Reason going after Ron Paul?

I don't understand why you would go after someone who think 80% or more the same as you do?

Dude...beltwaytarians. CATO/Reason, etc. they are all the same.

Don't rely on the (principled) left for anything, but use them for specific purposes. Ending the Fed, ending the wars, etc.

The only real people you can count on are staunch libertarians. Libertarians have a congruent and logical philosophy. The left doesn't and they are all over the place, such is the life of the utilitarian.

reardenstone
02-24-2010, 10:47 PM
Dude...beltwaytarians. CATO/Reason, etc. they are all the same.



I had never read Reason but another libertarian recommended it. I highly doubt his choice now.

I like reading Cato and Freeman but at times they seem much the same as typical right wing blogs just without the Iraq war support. Me too attacks on the current Democrats.

The libertarian party I envision is much more visionary than that. We need to lose the snarkiness and the image of being Republicans who like their pot. Real vision and real outreach is what is needed. Less saying "No" and more communication on how freedom can solve problems and how government creates problems.

I am not a climate change denier and I think it would behoove the libertarians to be more like Joe Kennedy and say that is concerned for the environment. We should explain how the private sector would be much better stewards for the environment.

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-24-2010, 11:04 PM
I had never read Reason but another libertarian recommended it. I highly doubt his choice now.

I like reading Cato and Freeman but at times they seem much the same as typical right wing blogs just without the Iraq war support. Me too attacks on the current Democrats.

The libertarian party I envision is much more visionary than that. We need to lose the snarkiness and the image of being Republicans who like their pot. Real vision and real outreach is what is needed. Less saying "No" and more communication on how freedom can solve problems and how government creates problems.

I am not a climate change denier and I think it would behoove the libertarians to be more like Joe Kennedy and say that is concerned for the environment. We should explain how the private sector would be much better stewards for the environment.


No one deny's climate change happens, people deny that the Earth is warming, and that humans and specifically CO2 is the cause. There is a mountain of evidence against AGW. Similarly, the falsifications and blatant manipulation by Pro-AGW alarmists is breath taking. From monitoring stations, to missing whole chunks of ice the size of California, to the hockey stick graph, etc.

I find it odd how one can be a libertarian (logical), and then believe in the illogical theory of AGW. Does not compute. :confused:

InterestedParticipant
02-24-2010, 11:30 PM
This is good in a way because it means that they left is really fearful of Ron Paul. If he was no threat they would ignore him or humor him like Rachel Maddow does.

What we need are more attack dog blogs for Ron Paul. We could nip this in the bud now by:

1. Posting refutations of this and myth-busting all of these Newsletter and JBS claims of racism with proof and out own defense pieces.


2. Once the pieces are out there start in on legal action against groups for slander and libel. That would take it public and put it down for once and for all. I know it is not the approach most liberty people like but when this is our chance, we can't just let his good name be smeared like that.
No, it's just a dialectic that is being flogged for its full value, so that people will get all bent-out-of-shape and invest time yelling at DailyKos in Cyberspace. Hey, go yell at DailyKos, but don't invest a moment of your time looking at how we are currently ripping-off pension funds and your government surpluses around the nation. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Again, tell me how this gets you, or anyone here, closer to the ideals conveyed in the Declaration of Independence?

reardenstone
02-26-2010, 07:04 AM
No one deny's climate change happens, people deny that the Earth is warming, and that humans and specifically CO2 is the cause. There is a mountain of evidence against AGW. Similarly, the falsifications and blatant manipulation by Pro-AGW alarmists is breath taking. From monitoring stations, to missing whole chunks of ice the size of California, to the hockey stick graph, etc.

I find it odd how one can be a libertarian (logical), and then believe in the illogical theory of AGW. Does not compute. :confused:

My typos. eek:

I am more a climate neutralist who is waiting for more chunks of reliable information. The climate undergoes metacycles of warming and cooling outside of the seasonal revolutions. Yet, there is evidence that we can temporarily alter the climate with aerosols. We also create localized air pollution of which the results are immediately observable with bad air quality and the thick gray haze that covers a city visible from miles away. We also have natural forms of aerosols from sea mist and volcanoe eruptions but they would be here anyway. Adding industrial aerosols to the mix is hardly benign.

I agree that we need a private solution. We are ignoring votes from more classically liberal democrats when we dismiss issues they care about. We just have to present a private solution versus their public solution.

TheEvilDetector
02-26-2010, 07:08 AM
The name calling such as racism, are properly likened to the sounds of the last breaths and gasps from the mortally wounded status quo animal.