Will CPAC try to ban Ron Paul next year?

[Agorism]

I can't see Ron Paul losing CPAC 2011 at this point. 800 or so YAL members came and voted for Paul, and that number will probably increase next year.

It seems like there will be no feasible way to defeat Paul next year so I think Cheney and some of these insiders will probably work to get him banned?

Just a thought.

We need JBS to sponsor again so that we don't get shenanigans going into CPAC.

[BamaFanNKy]

Hell no they won't.

[Chester Copperpot]

lets stop with the negativity

[brandon]

No they won't ban him.

And CPAC is small beans in the grand scheme of things. Just because Paul got 1000 activists to show up at a conference and vote for him doesn't mean he's a shoe in for a national election in two years

[Agorism]

Well I don't want to give any ideas, but I guarantee there are people already contemplating how to exclude him (like in that Fox debate in New Hampshire.)

So we might as well discuss it. If JBS sponsors again, then we avoid these problems.

[BuddyRey]

We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

[itshappening]

No, CPAC has always been good to us

[FrankRep]

The Pro-War Neoconservatives are PISSED about Ron Paul winning and the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/) presence at CPAC.

I believe the John Birch Society would love to co-sponsor CPAC again, but we'll need help from the liberty movement to get it done because the Neoconservatives will fight like hell trying to keep the JBS out.

Just remember the Neoconservatives hate Ron Paul, but they hated the John Birch Society first.


What are Neoconservatives?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MYK7YGZ5L._SL500_AA240_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/William-F-Buckley-Jr-Establishment/dp/1881919064

William F. Buckley, Jr.: Pied Piper for the Establishment
John F. McManus, JBS President



Neoconservatism Explained:
William F. Buckley Jr.: the Establishment’s “House Conservative”
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/457-william-f-buckley-jr-the-establishments-house-conservative

Pragmatists? Neoconservatives? What's the Difference?
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/744-pragmatists-neoconservatives-whats-the-difference

[John of Des Moines]

They need the money.

[Fozz]

I can't see Ron Paul losing CPAC 2011 at this point. 800 or so YAL members came and voted for Paul, and that number will probably increase next year.

It seems like there will be no feasible way to defeat Paul next year so I think Cheney and some of these insiders will probably work to get him banned?

Just a thought.

We need JBS to sponsor again so that we don't get shenanigans going into CPAC.
As long as we have money, I think we'll be fine.

[Agorism]

I thought that Buckley picture was Lindsey Graham when I first glanced at it.

[TonySutton]

I do not think CPAC wants to see a drop off in sponsors and attendees next year. A Ron Paul ban would guarantee it.

[FrankRep]

I do not think CPAC wants to see a drop off in sponsors and attendees next year. A Ron Paul ban would guarantee it.
CPAC has a decision to make. They can try to please the Republican establishment by banning Ron Paul/Campaign for Liberty/John Birch Society so that Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, and the Free Republic crowd, etc, will participate or choose the Tea Party/Ron Paul/Libertarian/Constitutionalist crowd and risk being boycotted by the Neoconservatives.

[ctiger2]

Hahaha! They can't ban Ron Paul. That's like kicking Jimi Hendrix out of the Jimi Hendrix Experience.

[low preference guy]

If they don't ban him, the neocons might quit CPAC.

If they ban us, RP will probably have a bigger conference somewhere nearby.

Maybe there won't be a CPAC at all, or it will be made of only one faction. That would showcase a potential civil war in the Republican Party.

It sounds great to me.

[freedoms-light]

I'm a bit confused.
Back in the 1960s I always thought JBS was some kind of ultra-conservative Commie under every bed southern country church type religious organization, (remember the song by Charlie Daniels uneasy rider - "I'm a faithful follower of brother John Birch, and I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church....") you know, the neo-cons of the day. I was just a teenager back then and not really into current events or politics of the day, but I did take a lot of BS in school for liking Goldwater, they said he wanted to blow up the world or something.
Now I know I had the Goldwater thing right but...
My question is when did the paradigm shift. I feel like the frog getting boiled slowly.
I don't think I missed a real lot from the mid 70's on, but the change regarding how the JBS is now seen baffles me. How'd it happen? They seem more the anti-war type now.

[freedoms-light]

YouTube - Charlie Daniels "Uneasy Rider" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMN7fGZW_BY)

[Matt Collins]

If they don't ban him, the neocons might quit CPAC.

If they ban us, RP will probably have a bigger conference somewhere nearby.

Maybe there won't be a CPAC at all, or it will be made of only one faction. That would showcase a potential civil war in the Republican Party.Distinct possibility of CPAC splitting. Look, Palin and Huckabee didn't appear. Huckabee publicly stated that it was because of "the libertarians". Since that trend is growing does it mean that there will be more libertarians @ CPAC next year than this year? And if so, will the neocons bow out?

OR

Another possibility is that they simply change the rules for the event somehow making it much harder to win the straw poll, or they simply make it harder for the CFL/YAL/JBS types to have a presence.

It remains to be seen but the next 300 days will be interesting nonetheless. Maybe Senator Paul will make a joint appearance with Congressman Paul. :D

[FrankRep]

Back in the 1960s I always thought JBS was some kind of ultra-conservative Commie under every bed southern country church type religious organization, you know, the neo-cons of the day.

The John Birch Society was pointing out back in the 50/60s that America was going down the path of big government: communism, world government, and erosion of Constitutional liberties. The JBS was anti-Federal Reserve, anti-Vietnam war, pro-states rights, and pro-limited government.

People in the 1960s were clueless about where the government was heading, but 50 years later (Ron Paul) people can look back and say the John Birch Society was correct.

The media was attacking the JBS just like how the media is attacking Ron Paul today. Lots of lies were being spread in the mass media to discredit the JBS.



My question is when did the paradigm shift. I feel like the frog getting boiled slowly.

The JBS has been pretty constant on what they believe in and now we have 50 years of research to understand the players in the game and what they're strategies are.


I don't think I missed a real lot from the mid 70's on, but the change regarding how the JBS is now seen baffles me. How'd it happen? They seem more the anti-war type now.

The JBS still believes in a non-interventionist foreign policy and even opposed the Vietnam war.


PS:

For the record, The JBS didn't call Eisenhower a Communist. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=232981&p=2564669)

[phill4paul]

I can only hope.

[FrankRep]

Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin both support the John Birch Society.


Ron Paul at the 50th Anniversary of John Birch Society

Viddler.com - Ron Paul At the 50th Anniversary of JBS - Uploaded by jbirch (http://www.viddler.com/explore/jbirch/videos/1/?advanced=fa23b1da)

Chuck Baldwin at the 50th Anniversary of John Birch Society

Viddler.com - Chuck Baldwin Speech at JBS 50th Anniversary Celebration - Uploaded by jbirch (http://www.viddler.com/explore/jbirch/videos/2/?advanced=3a8e63e4)

[Epic]

I'm a bit confused.
Back in the 1960s I always thought JBS was some kind of ultra-conservative Commie under every bed southern country church type religious organization, (remember the song by Charlie Daniels uneasy rider - "I'm a faithful follower of brother John Birch, and I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church....") you know, the neo-cons of the day. I was just a teenager back then and not really into current events or politics of the day, but I did take a lot of BS in school for liking Goldwater, they said he wanted to blow up the world or something.
Now I know I had the Goldwater thing right but...
My question is when did the paradigm shift. I feel like the frog getting boiled slowly.
I don't think I missed a real lot from the mid 70's on, but the change regarding how the JBS is now seen baffles me. How'd it happen? They seem more the anti-war type now.

From what I understand, they were basically always generally anti-war. They had the slogan "bring the troops home" during Vietnam. The left doesn't like them because they - the left - are warmongers too.

[freedoms-light]

Thanks,
Since getting de-neoconned I liked what I heard about JBS.
Just had very vague memory of them from my past. I know they didn't change, maybe it was the church folk getting neo-conned by Kristol and Co and AIPAC.
I did get semi awakened in the 90's with getting back into listening to SW radio I found the likes of Tom Valentine, Bill Cooper, Chuck Harder, and a few others.
Ruby Ridge and Waco really woke me up for OKC event.
Militia guy Mark Koernke was just the caller "Mark from Michigan" back then.
I have logs of a national paging channel from the day of OKC bombing and they definetly were talking about a lot of bombs not just the Rider Truck one.




The John Birch Society was pointing out back in the 50/60s that America was going down the path of big government: communism, world government, and erosion of Constitutional liberties. The JBS was anti-Federal Reserve, anti-Vietnam war, pro-states rights, and pro-limited government.

People in the 1960s were clueless about where the government was heading, but 50 years later (Ron Paul) people can look back and say the John Birch Society was correct.

The media was attacking the JBS just like how the media is attacking Ron Paul today. Lots of lies were being spread in the mass media to discredit the JBS.




The JBS has been pretty constant on what they believe in and now we have 50 years of research to understand the players in the game and what they're strategies are.



The JBS still believes in a non-interventionist foreign policy and even opposed the Vietnam war.


PS:

For the record, The JBS didn't call Eisenhower a Communist. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=232981&p=2564669)

[low preference guy]

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[FrankRep]

From what I understand, they were basically always generally anti-war. They had the slogan "bring the troops home" during Vietnam. The left doesn't like them because they - the left - are warmongers too.

The John Birch Society vs. The Vietnam War (circa 1965)

YouTube - The John Birch Society vs. The Vietnam War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1EFlMKV6sY)

[Agorism]

YouTube - Charlie Daniels "Uneasy Rider" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMN7fGZW_BY)

That sounds like Johnny Cash lol

[Agorism]

The Beat Farmers also like the JBS.

YouTube - Gun Sale at the Church (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0npOg8TvJuE)

[freedoms-light]

Great. sounds a little like Steve Earle to me.
Anyway, sorry guys if I derailed this thread.
Just took a detour, I guess.



The Beat Farmers also like the JBS.

YouTube - Gun Sale at the Church (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0npOg8TvJuE)

[Agorism]

Did that Charlie Daniels song mention JBS?

[freedoms-light]

Did that Charlie Daniels song mention JBS?

Partial lyrics (the song is over 5 min long)

I said would you beleive this man has gone as far


as tearin' Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars

and he voted for George
McGoveren for president

well he's a friend of them long-haired hippie type pinko ****


I betcha he's even got a Commie flag Tacked up on the wall inside of his garage


he's a snake in the grass I tell ya guys

he may look dumb but that's
jus a disguise

he's a mastermind in the ways of espionage

they all
started lookin' real suspicious at him

and he jumped up an' said jes' wait a minute
jim

you know he's lyin' I've been livin' here all of my life

I'm a
faithfull follower of Brother John Birch

and I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church


and I ain't even got a garage -- you can call home and ask my wife