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FrankRep
02-23-2010, 07:47 PM
Jon Stewart on CPAC 2010

Second video

http://www.indecisionforever.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-on-cpac-2010/

TheBlackPeterSchiff
02-23-2010, 07:50 PM
Now its War!

wrestlingwes_8
02-23-2010, 07:54 PM
I hate that guy...

BenIsForRon
02-23-2010, 08:13 PM
You guys have such short memories. Yes, he's a socialist, but he respects Ron Paul more than any fuckhead on Fox News (Napalitano and Stossel don't count, they're not on the main channel).

brandon
02-23-2010, 08:13 PM
lol I thought the video was funny.

And Ben, I couldn't really care less whether he respects RP or not. RP is just a man , and one that I hardly know...he's not a god. People don't have to respect him.

Chester Copperpot
02-23-2010, 08:15 PM
i didnt notice any direct slam at libertarianism.. and I saw no mention of ron paul anywhere.

Stary Hickory
02-23-2010, 08:15 PM
You guys have such short memories. Yes, he's a socialist, but he respects Ron Paul more than any fuckhead on Fox News (Napalitano and Stossel don't count, they're not on the main channel).

Translation he is a liberal and socialist...therefore a cool guy. Lean left much?

brandon
02-23-2010, 08:17 PM
i didnt notice any direct slam at libertarianism.. and I saw no mention of ron paul anywhere.

And he didn't defend progressives either. He just made jokes about some of the idiots at CPAC.


Not sure where the title of this thread came from.

FrankRep
02-23-2010, 08:22 PM
You guys have such short memories. Yes, he's a socialist, but he respects Ron Paul more than any fuckhead on Fox News (Napalitano and Stossel don't count, they're not on the main channel).

Jon Stewart supports and promotes big government policies and essentially slams Constitutional principles.

FrankRep
02-23-2010, 08:23 PM
i didnt notice any direct slam at libertarianism.. and I saw no mention of ron paul anywhere.
Look at the end the of second video. He shows you a "Libertarian" world.

Depressed Liberator
02-23-2010, 08:24 PM
Christ, what's with the Beck leg humpers? Look, I don't agree with Stewart on these types of domestic issues, but he's a lot fairer with the ideas of Ron Paul than nearly anyone else in the MSM. Hell, I remember him bringing up why Fox News treated Ron Paul like shit to Bill O'Reilly, who pretty much said because he was nuts. Plus I agree with him a lot on foreign policy.

gls
02-23-2010, 08:28 PM
i didnt notice any direct slam at libertarianism.. and I saw no mention of ron paul anywhere.

Exactly, and that's B.S. in my opinion. Paul's straw poll victory was by far the biggest news to come out of CPAC, yet TDS devotes the entire episode to the conference without mentioning it once. Instead they go the easy route of making fun of the hypocrisy of 'conservatives' like Dick Cheney and Glenn Beck. The message to the audience is that "you may not love Obama so much anymore, but he is much better than these guys." All the while they go out of their way to ignore the real story because Ron Paul's wide appeal might just drive some of their viewers to question the false left-right paradigm.

Travlyr
02-23-2010, 08:30 PM
That was just weird. The liberty movement has the fascist cartel running scared. They know their days are numbered. Thanks to the Internet... and Ron Paul, of course.

Jon Stewart: Progressivism has increased the standard of living?!? Really! And that would be like what $40k + debt when you are born? And how about all the good jobs?

Weird.

End the FED... the sooner the better.

FrankRep
02-23-2010, 08:33 PM
Exactly, and that's B.S. in my opinion.
Look at the end the of second video. He shows you a "Libertarian" world.

BenIsForRon
02-23-2010, 08:36 PM
Translation he is a liberal and socialist...therefore a cool guy. Lean left much?

I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. Let me check...

...

Yep, you're making shit up.

Flash
02-23-2010, 08:37 PM
Its just a comedy show, I wouldn't look too much into it.

BenIsForRon
02-23-2010, 08:38 PM
Its just a comedy show, I wouldn't look too much into it.

Which is why they didn't talk about Paul. They needed material for comedy, not for in depth political analysis.

gls
02-23-2010, 08:50 PM
Look at the end the of second video. He shows you a "Libertarian" world.

Yes, the intention was to conflate libertarianism with the disgusting neocon philosophy. Mentioning the sizable amount of support given to Ron Paul - the antiwar, anti-corporatist, pro-civil liberty crusader - might have caused some to question that assumption.

FrankRep
02-23-2010, 08:53 PM
No Jon Stewart, the Boston Public Library of 1895 wasn't the result of Progressivism.

People donated money to help build it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Public_Library#History.2C_architecture.2C_a nd_collections


Josiah Quincy, Jr. anonymously donated $5,000 to begin the funding of a new library. Quincy made the donation while he was mayor of Boston. Indirectly, John Jacob Astor also influenced the establishment of a public library in Boston. At the time of his death, Astor bequeathed $400,000 to New York to establish a public library there. Because of the cultural and economic rivalry between Boston and New York, this bequest prompted more discussion of establishing a public library in Boston.[5] In 1848, a statute of the Great and General Court of Massachusetts enabled the creation of the library. The library was officially established in Boston by a city ordinance in 1852.

Jeros
02-23-2010, 09:20 PM
Jon Stewart supports and promotes big government policies and essentially slams Constitutional principles.

You are probably angry that he is ripping on your boy Beck so much :D

FrankRep
02-23-2010, 09:27 PM
You are probably angry that he is ripping on your boy Beck so much :D
I'm over Beck now. I'm looking at Jon Stewart promoting Progressivism AKA: Fabian Socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society)

AuH20
02-23-2010, 11:18 PM
Yes, the intention was to conflate libertarianism with the disgusting neocon philosophy. Mentioning the sizable amount of support given to Ron Paul - the antiwar, anti-corporatist, pro-civil liberty crusader - might have caused some to question that assumption.

Stewart dislikes originalism as well. He admitted he was a fan of Eugene V. Debs (founder of the Socialist Party of America) in his youth. I'm shocked how much respect he gets in this forum, then again if Ron Paul was a threat, you'd sure as hell see him lampooned in one of his sketches.

BlackTerrel
02-23-2010, 11:30 PM
Stewart dislikes originalism as well. He admitted he was a fan of Eugene V. Debs (founder of the Socialist Party of America) in his youth. I'm shocked how much respect he gets in this forum, then again if Ron Paul was a threat, you'd sure as hell see him lampooned in one of his sketches.

Who hasn't been lampooned in one of his sketches?

Toureg89
02-23-2010, 11:54 PM
yeah, the guys political leanings doesnt ruin the lawls he allows me to experience.

and its kinda obvious he's a socialist.

but some people on here take the criticisms a little too far. in one thread, a poster said he was advocating communism when he (Stewart) was really advocating safety regulations.

while no one here is particularly partial to either, the two are quite different.

maybe safety regulations can LEAD to communism, but still 2 VERY different concepts.

Baptist
02-23-2010, 11:59 PM
****, what's with the Beck leg humpers? Look, I don't agree with Stewart on these types of domestic issues, but he's a lot fairer with the ideas of Ron Paul than nearly anyone else in the MSM. Hell, I remember him bringing up why Fox News treated Ron Paul like shit to Bill O'Reilly, who pretty much said because he was nuts. Plus I agree with him a lot on foreign policy.

Hey man, you have 16 posts on this site. In your very first post you complain about RPF, stating that it has gone downhill. In almost every other post you use curse words, talk about circle jerks, or use the Lord's name in vein. If this site has gone downhill, it's because of classy people like you. Could you please wash your mouth out with soap? Thanks.

Imperial
02-24-2010, 12:30 AM
Yes, the intention was to conflate libertarianism with the disgusting neocon philosophy. Mentioning the sizable amount of support given to Ron Paul - the antiwar, anti-corporatist, pro-civil liberty crusader - might have caused some to question that assumption.

Actually he was saying a "conservative" world.

I don't get the idea that progressivism is opposite of libertarianism. I would argue that statism or neo-conservatism is the opposite, not progressives.

Ricky201
02-24-2010, 12:36 AM
I really don't get why we're still paying attention to the MSM. Underground/alternative free-market press ftw.

american.swan
02-24-2010, 12:54 AM
Oh for crying out loud. Presidents and popular people get made fun of ALL the time with jokes like on Jay Leno and Comedy Central. Popularity always brings with it comedians. Chill out.

FrankRep
02-24-2010, 01:02 AM
Actually he was saying a "conservative" world.

I don't get the idea that progressivism is opposite of libertarianism. I would argue that statism or neo-conservatism is the opposite, not progressives.

He called it a "non-progressivism" world with no regulations and no taxes. Progressivism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism) promotes growing government control and is opposed to libertarian ideology.

Texan4Life
02-24-2010, 01:19 AM
yeah, the guys political leanings doesnt ruin the lawls he allows me to experience.

+1 i thought it was funny

if I took it the tiniest bit seriously, yeah I'd be a little pissed.

gls
02-24-2010, 01:39 AM
Oh for crying out loud. Presidents and popular people get made fun of ALL the time with jokes like on Jay Leno and Comedy Central. Popularity always brings with it comedians. Chill out.

You comment makes no sense. My point is not that they ridiculed Ron Paul but that they intentionally ignored him -- pretending that the only people who were at CPAC are warmongering incarnations of evil like Cheney or bipolar hypocritical loudmouths like Beck. This is because Paul offers a real choice that would appeal to the many young people who watch the Daily Show, often as their sole or primary source of 'news'.

Stewart is not on the side of liberty. He's not really even on the side of the socialists. He is with the pro war, pro bailout, pro deficit, anti privacy and civil liberties corporate executives who sign his paychecks. The proof is in his actions.

Bucjason
02-24-2010, 07:41 AM
...when it did it become "cool" and "intellectual" in this country to be a grown-ass man , and think you still need a nanny ( government) in order to survive?

angelatc
02-24-2010, 08:19 AM
Jon Stewart on CPAC 2010

Second video

http://www.indecisionforever.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-on-cpac-2010/

The secret for me is to stop watching him. It's really kind of hard to watch how desperate he's become over the years. You can see he's trying really hard to be funny. He seriously overuses his mannerisms and has lowered himself to adding profanity, which is the cheapest comedy trick in the book. He's really a sad caricature of himself over the years.

When he first took over the show he seemed so sure that he was going to get a big network / movie deal - he used to openly joke about it.

He got work in a couple of movies that I didn't see, but he mocked them openly so they must have been bad.

Steve Carrell got his break on Stewart and now he's living the life Stewart wanted. I love knowing that.

NYgs23
02-24-2010, 08:28 AM
I thought it was funny, especially the point about Beck's visit to the library. He's just a comedian; don't take him too seriously.

SelfTaught
02-24-2010, 09:44 AM
And Ben, I couldn't really care less whether he respects RP or not. RP is just a man , and one that I hardly know...he's not a god. People don't have to respect him.

Agree with this comment 100%.

When we try to raise Ron Paul to god-like status, that just gives the MSM another reason to label us a cult. We are not a cult (or at least I hope not). We should try to be free individual thinkers that don't have to resort to name-dropping Ron Paul every chance we get. We should be able to articulate our ideas without referencing Ron Paul. That just makes us look like a bunch of stooges.

Having respect for Ron Paul should not be the only reason we give props to someone in the media. Kucinich or Stewart can ride Ron Paul's dick all day and that still wouldn't change my mind about them. They are progessive/liberal/socialists that would not give a second thought about clamping down on the economy, regulating everything you do, and high fiving each other claiming that they make America a better place.

And don't I don't give a shit about whether or not their heart is in the right place. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Toureg89
02-24-2010, 09:46 AM
He called it a "non-progressivism" world with no regulations and no taxes. Progressivism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism) promotes growing government control and is opposed to libertarian ideology.
actually, libertarian ideology does not change the constitutional ability of many states to institute the same progressive programs of the federal government.

so, constitutional libertarianism would have it that we try to create as small a government in our state as possible, but leave the progressive forces in other states alone.

so, Stuart's depiction of nationwide *libertarianism* is inherently skewed, and the most any intelligent human can take from it is the humor.

cajuncocoa
02-24-2010, 10:06 AM
Jon Stewart on CPAC 2010

Second video

http://www.indecisionforever.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-on-cpac-2010/

Did this really surprise anyone? :rolleyes:

haaaylee
02-24-2010, 01:09 PM
You comment makes no sense. My point is not that they ridiculed Ron Paul but that they intentionally ignored him -- pretending that the only people who were at CPAC are warmongering incarnations of evil like Cheney or bipolar hypocritical loudmouths like Beck. This is because Paul offers a real choice that would appeal to the many young people who watch the Daily Show, often as their sole or primary source of 'news'.

Stewart is not on the side of liberty. He's not really even on the side of the socialists. He is with the pro war, pro bailout, pro deficit, anti privacy and civil liberties corporate executives who sign his paychecks. The proof is in his actions.

Right, i'd much rather he have put Paul into this clip and made fun of him as well! Not.

Clearly, as a comedian, he wanted the skit to be funny. Which means he needed people to make fun of. You'd think you'd be happy, therefore, that he didn't mention Paul.

Come on people.

haaaylee
02-24-2010, 01:16 PM
Look at the end the of second video. He shows you a "Libertarian" world.

He never said it was a Libertarian world. He was trying to show you a world without Progressives, and that is what the audience probably thought. It included some things that sound nice to us (no income tax, etc.) but considering the story was about CPAC i highly doubt anyone watching even connected that to Libertarians.

lester1/2jr
02-24-2010, 03:07 PM
it's just a bit, at the same time he should be careful he doen't follow olbermann down the road to left wing nowhere

gls
02-24-2010, 03:18 PM
Right, i'd much rather he have put Paul into this clip and made fun of him as well! Not.

Clearly, as a comedian, he wanted the skit to be funny. Which means he needed people to make fun of. You'd think you'd be happy, therefore, that he didn't mention Paul.

Come on people.

He didn't have to "make fun" of Paul. He could have easily joked about the reaction to Paul's victory and the ensuing media attempts to dismiss and disparage it. Of course that would never happen because Stewart and TDS are part of the problem. They do not want their audience to see that there is a real alternative to the warmongering corporatist Obama and the warmongering corporatist neocons.

New2Libertarianism
02-24-2010, 03:23 PM
All in good fun. His show is great.

Natalie
02-24-2010, 03:27 PM
I thought it was hilarious! He's just an entertainer. And Ron Paul likes him :)

sluggo
02-24-2010, 03:30 PM
John Stewart is no Craig Kilborn.

haaaylee
02-24-2010, 03:32 PM
He didn't have to "make fun" of Paul. He could have easily joked about the reaction to Paul's victory and the ensuing media attempts to dismiss and disparage it. Of course that would never happen because Stewart and TDS are part of the problem. They do not want their audience to see that there is a real alternative to the warmongering corporatist Obama and the warmongering corporatist neocons.



Jon Stewart is never going to run his show the way you want him to.

He gets to make his own decisions on what he thinks his audience wants to hear. Apparently he didn't think mentioning Ron Paul was one of them. Oh well!

It doesn't mean he is one of the PTB or some horrible Socialistic progressive evil person. He's a fucking comedian! Trying to not get his show canceled.

haaaylee
02-24-2010, 03:34 PM
John Stewart is no Craig Kilborn.

:( i miss him.

Depressed Liberator
02-24-2010, 08:02 PM
Hey man, you have 16 posts on this site. In your very first post you complain about RPF, stating that it has gone downhill. In almost every other post you use curse words, talk about circle jerks, or use the Lord's name in vein. If this site has gone downhill, it's because of classy people like you. Could you please wash your mouth out with soap? Thanks.

I'm being edgy, brosus.