What the hell Dennis Kucinich?

[BamaFanNKy]

He wants to lower retirement age to 60 for 6 months so people can go on Social Security (Use TARP money) and that would "Create" a million jobs? So what's the difference between that (putting people on TARP/Social Security) and taking people off the unemployment roles. Hmmmm, seems they are just trying to play with the math. http://wallstreetpit.com/17390-a-bad-idea-from-dennis-kucinich

[Stary Hickory]

Yeah he is a nutcase. In all he is a crazy socialist.

[slothman]

He is still better than most Congresspeople even though he has some weird ideas.
Remember, he voted against the USAPATRIOT act and probably against the DMCA.

[Old Ducker]

He's a populist, but at least he isn't corrupt. We have a guy just like him in Oregon, De Fazio.

[New2Libertarianism]

A few bad opinions, but certainly not corrupt and by far better than most.

[SelfTaught]

Not surprised. He adamantly believes that economies only "work" with the strong guiding hand (or fist) of the government.

Kucinich can suck a kock.

[BamaFanNKy]

Again, I'm attacking this insane idea of moving the age lower to show "Job Growth." It's not job growth even if this plan passed. Plus, lowering the age is the exact opposite of what needs to happen.

[nobody's_hero]

I have to give him credit. It is an interesting idea, but a bad one.

I suggested once to a liberal friend of mine that everyone should go into the road building business. If government is simply going to 'create jobs,' let it all be put into road construction.

The road should be built in a circle large enough for everyone in America to work on it at the same time. Once the road is finished, people need not worry, as their jobs will go from being builders to maintainers. This should keep Americans busy with a job, and it will not be pointless or wasteful as they will certainly have to use that circular road to get back to where they left off on the previous work-day.

I hadn't figured out how they were going to eat, though.

[Todd]

A few bad opinions, but certainly not corrupt and by far better than most.

agreed.

I'd rather have a guy who's wrong than bought and paid for. At least you know what Dennis is selling.

[Natalie]

Kucinich lost my support at the DNC when he was all over Obama's cojones, saying how great the Democrats are and how terrible Republicans are. Major fail.

[SelfTaught]

agreed.

I'd rather have a guy who's wrong than bought and paid for. At least you know what Dennis is selling.

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree.

I'd rather be robbed by a thief than a politician. At least a thief will rob you and know that it's wrong. A politician will steal your money and then lecture you on how the theft will improve society.

[brandon]

If you want people to retire earlier, how about eliminating the income tax liability of 401k distributions after a certain age? There's an idea.

[jmdrake]

If you want people to retire earlier, how about eliminating the income tax liability of 401k distributions after a certain age? There's an idea.

What? You mean actually let people make more money? ;)

Actually this DK proposal was trashed here a month or so ago. Yeah it's boneheaded. The good news is that it has about as much chance of passage as a law to create an extra terrestrial amnesty program. I'll take DK when he's helpful (audit the fed, end the wars) and ignore him when he's nutty.

Hey, how about term limits to force people in congress to retire early? ;)

[Jeros]

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree.

I'd rather be robbed by a thief than a politician. At least a thief will rob you and know that it's wrong. A politician will steal your money and then lecture you on how the theft will improve society.

I'd rather be robbed by a politician than a hybrid thief-politician. :D I guess its the argument between socialism and fascism.

[specsaregood]

He's a magical socialist elf and I'm glad he is there in the congress. If not him, no doubt somebody worse and without a conscience would be in his seat.

[silus]

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree.

I'd rather be robbed by a thief than a politician. At least a thief will rob you and know that it's wrong. A politician will steal your money and then lecture you on how the theft will improve society.
I think thats the point he was trying to make. At least with Dennis Kucinich you know where he stands and he will make it clear, unlike other politicians that you have no idea what their motives are...

Kucinich has often been an ally of Ron Paul in congress on MANY issues, including the bailout, and thats good enough for me. Some of you guys act as if he's impure and unfit to even agree with on some things. The guy deserves respect. He's not trying to strong arm the American people to support him by using fear tactics or by manipulating public perception. He puts his ideas on the table and allows the American people to decide. At the end of the day, thats really all you can ask for out of a politician.

So show a bit more respect please.

[Stary Hickory]

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree.

I'd rather be robbed by a thief than a politician. At least a thief will rob you and know that it's wrong. A politician will steal your money and then lecture you on how the theft will improve society.

And a thief will have the decency to leave you lying bloody in the gutter. A politician will follow you around and rob you daily. And if you are lucky they might even just threaten to kill you unless you become their slave.

[Stary Hickory]

I think thats the point he was trying to make. At least with Dennis Kucinich you know where he stands and he will make it clear, unlike other politicians that you have no idea what their motives are...

Kucinich has often been an ally of Ron Paul in congress on MANY issues, including the bailout, and thats good enough for me. Some of you guys act as if he's impure and unfit to even agree with on some things. The guy deserves respect. He's not trying to strong arm the American people to support him by using fear tactics or by manipulating public perception. He puts his ideas on the table and allows the American people to decide. At the end of the day, thats really all you can ask for out of a politician.

So show a bit more respect please.

Ok I will remember this, Kunich is a loon. He is a statist to the core. I see tons of Beck bashing, I see tons of bashing on republicans like Sanford and the like. Yet people will come here and post with a straight face that they support Kunich.

Unbelievable. That guy is a serious statist.

[surf]

he's one of our few democrat or republican allies when it comes to war. for this he deserves a lot of respect. what he lacks in economic school of thought, he's one of the few on the democratic side that i could ever see speaking at a hollywood anti-war rally.

who knows, perhaps he'll endorse RP in 2012.

[Koz]

Kucinich is part of the problem not part of the solution.

[zade]

Why do some of you think it's right to insult anyone who disagrees with you, especially with someone as honorable as Dennis? Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the policy in question, it's fine to bring it up and disagree with it, but no need to insult the man. Ron Paul has even spoken highly of Kucinich. And Ron Paul has talked about working with progressives and having tolerance for other viewpoints, which is exactly what it will take to move forward. So no, Kucinich is not a nutcase who can suck a kock.

[BamaFanNKy]

Why do some of you think it's right to insult anyone who disagrees with you, especially with someone as honorable as Dennis? Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the policy in question, it's fine to bring it up and disagree with it, but no need to insult the man. Ron Paul has even spoken highly of Kucinich. And Ron Paul has talked about working with progressives and having tolerance for other viewpoints, which is exactly what it will take to move forward. So no, Kucinich is not a nutcase who can suck a kock.

I never said he was a kook or nutcase. I just said, "What The Hell" to his bill.

[Stary Hickory]

Why do some of you think it's right to insult anyone who disagrees with you, especially with someone as honorable as Dennis? Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the policy in question, it's fine to bring it up and disagree with it, but no need to insult the man. Ron Paul has even spoken highly of Kucinich. And Ron Paul has talked about working with progressives and having tolerance for other viewpoints, which is exactly what it will take to move forward. So no, Kucinich is not a nutcase who can suck a kock.

Honorable? Ok I have to sift through 10,000 threads of Beck bashing and random GoP bashing. Regardless if some of these guys are darn close to libertarians on issues or not. Ok fine so people here are "purists", fine I can get with that. Yet because Kunich is a liberal he is "honest" and "honorable". And we ought to leave him alone despite the fact he has massive statist designs in his head for all of our lives. This kind of hypocrisy is really amusing. Where did the purists all go?

A man with those desires in a position of power is a Tyrant. He does not deserve my respect nor even my passive support. He is FAR from the position of liberty that I hold dear. It's not even a close call.

[zade]

I never said he was a kook or nutcase. I just said, "What The Hell" to his bill.

Yeah, not you.


Honorable? Ok I have to sift through 10,000 threads of Beck bashing and random GoP bashing. Regardless if some of these guys are darn close to libertarians on issues or not. Ok fine so people here are "purists", fine I can get with that. Yet because Kunich is a liberal he is "honest" and "honorable". And we ought to leave him alone despite the fact he has massive statist designs in his head for all of our lives. This kind of hypocrisy is really amusing. Where did the purists all go?

A man with those desires in a position of power is a Tyrant. He does not deserve my respect nor even my passive support. He is FAR from the position of liberty that I hold dear. It's not even a close call.

No, not because he's a liberal, but because he is, in fact, honest. He was against the bailouts, the war on drugs, the war on terror, the patriot act, and he's for opening up the Fed, he's with us on the largest abuses of government.

Yet you refuse to admit that someone can be honest and honorable if they disagree with you on economic policy, all in the name of preserving "purism." I'm not asking you to change your political opinions, or even to give him your "passive support," just to drop the pretentious idea that anyone who disagrees with you is a tyrant and a nutcase.

[silus]

Ok I will remember this, Kunich is a loon. He is a statist to the core. I see tons of Beck bashing, I see tons of bashing on republicans like Sanford and the like. Yet people will come here and post with a straight face that they support Kunich.

Unbelievable. That guy is a serious statist.
Maybe you are unable to make the proper distinction. Someone can support Kucinich on the war, the bailout, the patriot act, fighting for peace, impeaching Bush, questioning 9/11, without supporting his other political aims. Neat, huh.


Kucinich is part of the problem not part of the solution.
Wrong. He's both. But at this stage in our nations history he is more a part of the solution as he is a force against the establishment that prevents real choice and expression in our political system. In case you have not noticed, Ron Paul is not running for his second term with Kucinich being his main competitor. Both have been on the fringes. They are both trying to crack it open.


Honorable? Ok I have to sift through 10,000 threads of Beck bashing and random GoP bashing. Regardless if some of these guys are darn close to libertarians on issues or not. Ok fine so people here are "purists", fine I can get with that. Yet because Kunich is a liberal he is "honest" and "honorable". And we ought to leave him alone despite the fact he has massive statist designs in his head for all of our lives. This kind of hypocrisy is really amusing. Where did the purists all go?
1. Check your facts and your integrity before you go and put words in peoples mouths. No one has said or believes "because Kucinich is a liberal he is honest." It sounds like you don't understand the meaning of the words you are using...:confused:

2. Glen Beck is more of a threat to this movement than Kucinich. So bringing up his name and trying to make accusations of hypocricy make it seem as though you don't even understand who or what Ron Paul has been struggling with for these many years. And by going back to the word of the day, honor, you might see why Beck incites so much hatred and Kucinich does not.


A man with those desires in a position of power is a Tyrant. He does not deserve my respect nor even my passive support. He is FAR from the position of liberty that I hold dear. It's not even a close call.
To repeat an earlier point, the America today is NOWHERE NEAR the ideal nation that you see. So instead of pretending that you are an extremist putting every ounce of sweat and blood into seeing this pure vision of liberty become true, accept reality and the fact that before real political choice can come, before your ideal government can come into power, you must fight for the environment where it can exist. Kucinich and Paul both fight for that. In congress, Kucinich is a natural ally to Ron Paul on many issues...

RP on Kucinich: "Sometimes In the difficult, complicated, politicized resolutions that we have in the Congress and we see through it frequently it will be Dennis and myself that will be voting no against it because we interpret things in a very similar way. So we both have a lot of things in common..."

He's already earned Dr. Paul's respect long ago. So stop being so insecure with your beliefs and so oblivious as to who the real threats are to liberty today.

[Todd]

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree.

I'd rather be robbed by a thief than a politician. At least a thief will rob you and know that it's wrong. A politician will steal your money and then lecture you on how the theft will improve society.

That seems flawed to me. I know hundreds of thieves and robbers who don't see any moral "wrong" in theivery. It's just a means unto an ends to them. They see it as their "job".

I get what your saying that the common thief is less threat than the politican, but that's not what I was suggesting.

I'd rather have to fight someone like Kucinich in my district than a master of deception like Senator John Edwards.

What I mean about Kucinich is....... I know his principles........ I know his intentions and beliefs. You don't have to guess. You don't have to guess with guys like Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul. That doesn't mean I want what a Bernie Sanders or Kucinich is selling, but I'd rather know up front than deal with what, for the most part is the general rule in politicians..........that they are the greatest equivocators on earth.

[winston_blade]

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree.

I'd rather be robbed by a thief than a politician. At least a thief will rob you and know that it's wrong. A politician will steal your money and then lecture you on how the theft will improve society.

What's the difference?

[slothman]

Can you give a list of current people in Congress that are better than Kucinich?
Does it only have 1 person in it?

[bruce leeroy]

Can you give a list of current people in Congress that are better than Kucinich?
Does it only have 1 person in it?

I would say in addition to Dr Paul, I would include Russ Fiengold and also Tom Greene from Houston, partially because they are pro-second and kucinich isnt.

[QueenB4Liberty]

A few bad opinions, but certainly not corrupt and by far better than most.

Yeah.

[charrob]

Can you give a list of current people in Congress that are better than Kucinich?
Does it only have 1 person in it?

good point, and totally agree.:p

[charrob]

Repeal Patriot Act and Restore Constitutional Rights to Americans by Dennis Kucinich
Posted on February 25, 2010 by dandelionsalad


by Congressman Dennis Kucinich
Washington, Feb 25, 2010

Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), a vocal critic of the USA Patriot Act and advocate for civil rights, today made the following statement regarding the House vote to extend provisions of the USA Patriot Act:

“This legislation extends three problematic provisions of the PATRIOT Act and, at the same time, leaves some of the most egregious provisions in place, absent any meaningful reform and debate.

“The three provisions being extended today include the “roving wiretap;” which allows the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to issue secret orders to wiretap any target without having to specify the target or the device. This extension also includes the “lone wolf” surveillance provision, which allows intelligence agencies to conduct investigations of non-U.S. individuals not connected to a foreign power or terrorist group – a provision that the Administration has never had to use. Finally, this legislation would extend Section 215 powers of the PATRIOT Act, which allow the government to order any entity to turn over “any tangible things” as long as it specifies it is for “an authorized investigation.” Section 215 orders constitute a serious violation of Fourth and First Amendment rights by allowing the government to demand access to records often associated with the exercise of First Amendment rights, such as library records.

“Despite years of documentation evidencing abuse of these provisions during the Bush Administration, the Department of Justice has failed to hold Bush Administration officials accountable for illegal domestic spying by barring any lawsuits to be brought against those officials. Months into this Administration, The New York Times reported that the National Security Agency had “intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits,” and that the practice was “significant and systematic.” Passage of this legislation today continues to make Congress complicit in these violations of our basic constitutional rights.

“A letter written by the American Bar Association in 2005 to Members of Congress expressed grave concern over ‘inadequate Congressional oversight of government investigations undertaken pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act…to assure that such investigations do not violate the First, Fourth, and Fifth amendments to the Constitution.’ As Members of Congress sworn to protect the rights and civil liberties afforded to us by the Constitution, we have a responsibility to exercise our oversight powers fully, and significantly reform the PATRIOT Act, ensuring that the privacy and civil liberties of all Americans are fully protected. More than eight years after the passage of the PATRIOT Act, we have failed to do so. As National Journal correspondent Shane Harris recently put it, we have witnessed the rise of an ‘American Surveillance State.’ We have come to love our fears more than we love our freedoms,” said Kucinich.


http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/repeal-patriot-act-and-restore-constitutional-rights-to-americans-by-dennis-kucinich/