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johnwk
02-19-2010, 09:13 PM
Please note that Americans For Fair Taxation, which is part of fairtax org., is attempting to seduce and co-opt the tea party movement with an organized march on Washington (http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com/) to demand tax reform. But the problem is, they are promoting a calculated and despotic form of tax reform called the fairtax which was designed by a well funded group of Washington insiders and would, if adopted, tighten the iron fist of Washington’s progressives around the necks of America’s businesses and working people.

One does not have to look far to find the “progressive” nature of the proposed fairtax reform, just visit fairtax org and read What is the FairTax plan? (http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_main)


“The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment“.


For those who are interested, I can assure you our founding fathers would never have agreed to the so called “fairtax” (H.R. 25) which proposes to allow Congress to enter the states and impose a 25% tax upon the sale of people’s property, including the sale of their labor. As a matter of fact, our founders intentionally rejected allowing Congress to lay any general tax among the states which reached the people and their property [a wealth based tax] unless the tax was apportioned among the States in which case each state was obligated to contribute a share of a total sum being collecting which was to be in proportion to its number of representatives in Congress. But keep in mind this general tax among the states was only to be used if imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress’ expenditures, in which case the general tax among the states was then to be used. For some documented particulars please see my thread titled Our progressive sympathizing lying media and the 2010 Census! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=227186)

But getting back to the march on Washington to promote tax reform, and specifically the organizer’s alleged “fairtax“, here is some of what the alleged fairtax proposes to do as found in its legislative text which Neil Boortz sugar coats when advocating this despotic tax reform proposal.

1.

H.R. 25 proposes to make it an offense against the federal government for a person to exercise an inalienable right of mankind ___the right to sell the property one has in their labor. For example, a baby sitter, lawn care worker, handyman, manicurists, carpenter, roofer, etc.who may want to do work on the side to meet their family’s expenses, must, to be legal, register with government, collect a tax for the federal government, file sales tax returns under the penalty of perjury, keep any records Congress may dream up, in addition to being subject to audits which will be necessary for compliance purposes which is what the American people now complain of under existing federal taxation!

2.

Neither the language of H.R. 25 nor the ringleaders behind the alleged fairtax propose to withdraw Congress’s power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits and gains as were laid under the Corporate Excise Tax ACT of 1909 prior to the adoption of the 16th Amendment, and were upheld in Flint vs. Stone Tracy before the 16th Amendment was adopted! So even if the 16th Amendment were repealed, which is supposedly to take place after the alleged fairtax is put into operation, Congress still maintains the power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other “income” as laid and collected prior to the adoption of the 16th Amendment!

3.

H.R.25 also proposes to create two new federal tax collecting agencies, an “Excise Tax Bureau” … “to administer those excise taxes not administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms”, and the Excise Tax Bureau would also be there to administer a corporate excise tax which is left within the powers of Congress under H.R.25! This of course would allow progressives to leach another tax from small business owners in addition to the alleged fairtax, and would require two separate sets of books for business owners to keep and to be audited by the feds___ one for the alleged fairtax, and one for any corporate excise tax which would be imposed after the people get used to the alleged fairtax.


In addition, a “Sales Tax Bureau“ is the other federal tax collecting agency proposed to be created under the alleged FT, and would administer the alleged fairtax in any state Congress may arbitrarily decide to administer the tax in.

In other words, under the alleged fair tax the American People will be subject to three tax collecting agencies to fill the national treasury: the Excise Tax Bureau, the Sales Tax Bureau and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms!

4.

H.R. 25 also proposes to put every American Family on the public dole with its progressive “family consumption allowance” which is a monthly entitlement check sent to every household to allow Americans, especially the poor, to purchase a rationed amount of tax free necessities of life, which would make voters with limited economic means extremely dependent upon the federal government for their monthly subsistence check!

Were we not warned in the Federalist Papers that control over a man’s subsistence amounts to a power over his will? And how many “poor working people” would have a vested interest in voting for progressives who would promise to increase the family consumption entitlement during federal elections if they are elected, or reelected to office?

5.

H.R. 25 would also subjugate our founder’s intended rule for apportioning any general tax among the states laid by Congress ___ a rule now subjugated by progressives who got the 16th amendment adopted.

Keep in mind the rule of apportionment was to be applied if imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress’ expenditures and Congress found it necessary to lay a general tax among the states in which case each state‘s share of a total sum being raised by Congress was to be determined in proportion to its number of votes in Congress, i.e., Representation with proportional obligation, a rule which progressives and the friends of big government hate and fear with a passion!

What the ringleaders behind the alleged fair tax need to answer is why do they support enlarging the iron fist of the federal government’s taxing power? Why not simply work to return to our founding father’s original tax plan which allowed Congress to lay and collect taxes on specifically selected articles of consumption, primarily to be used on articles of luxury, as described in Federalist No. 21?



Why not simply work to add the following 32 words to our Constitution which would force Congress to return to the Constitution’s original tax plan as the founders intended it to operate?


The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money


The above words if added to our Constitution would bring us back to our founding father’s original tax plan as they intended it to work ___ a tax plan which paved the way for America to become the economic marvel of the world when is was adhered to.

In any event, please, be very careful of supporting fair.tax org in its proposed march on Washington for tax reform, which they will use to claim the American People are in support of the alleged fairtax.


For related information concerning our founding father’s original tax plan CLICK HERE (http://townshipnews.org/?p=1360)



Regards,
JWK


If we can make the majority of America’s families dependent upon a federal government check, [the alleged fair tax’s family consumption allowance] we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s working population enslaved to pay the bills

rancher89
02-19-2010, 10:02 PM
There is nothing "fair" about the fairtax. Period.

sevin
02-19-2010, 11:25 PM
Thank you for posting this. I did not realize how bad the "fair tax" really is.

We definitely need to watch out for this and tell our friends about it. A lot of republicans have been talking about the fairtax, so a lot of conservatives (at least some that I know) already think it's a good idea.

If a republican gets elected in 2012, a time when the government will be more thirsty for tax revenue than ever, this could become a reality. :eek:

revolutionisnow
02-19-2010, 11:38 PM
Neal Boortz the neo con "libertarian" really supports this fair tax nonsense. He has hinted multiple times that he will run in 2012, so look forward to it becoming an issue in the debates.

Vessol
02-19-2010, 11:53 PM
I get in fights with a bunch of Glenn Beck conservatives at work constantly over fairtax >_<

johnwk
02-20-2010, 06:24 AM
I get in fights with a bunch of Glenn Beck conservatives at work constantly over fairtax >_<



I also get into arguments with the fairtax cultists. At another site I just got into an argument with one who claimed I was nuts about the alleged fair tax creating two new tax collecting agencies. They told me to read the fairtax book. I told them to forget the fairy tale version and read THE TEXT OF THE LEGISLATION (http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.25:..) and then quoted from it:

As to eliminating the IRS. The IRS employees are simply moved to two new tax collecting agencies: the Excise Tax Bureau and the Sales Tax Bureau

SEC. 302. ADMINISTRATION OF OTHER FEDERAL TAXES.
(a) In General- Section 7801 (relating to the authority of the Department of the Treasury) is amended by adding at the end the following:
`(d) Excise Tax Bureau- There shall be in the Department of the Treasury an Excise Tax Bureau to administer those excise taxes not administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
`(e) Sales Tax Bureau- There shall be in the Department of the Treasury a Sales Tax Bureau to administer the national sales tax in those States where it is required pursuant to section 404, and to discharge other Federal duties and powers relating to the national sales tax (including those required by sections 402, 403, and 405). The Office of Revenue Allocation shall be within the Sales Tax Bureau.'.


Problem is, Neal Boortz has conned these people with his fairy tale version of the tax.



Regards,

JWK

Aratus
02-20-2010, 10:38 AM
most flat*taxes are more FAIR than nearly all fair*taxes?
this jerry brown + ross perot + steve forbes equation?

hillertexas
06-06-2011, 08:38 AM
bump

dean.engelhardt
06-06-2011, 08:58 AM
+rep, but you will find some fairtax supports that are not going to like this. I didn't pay much attention to the issue until the last debate. So many peole like the idea of getting rid of the IRS they fail to see how terrible the fairtax is.

AlexanderY
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
But guise Herman Cain supports the FairTax.