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jmdrake
02-18-2010, 08:33 PM
I'm so glad I voted for this guy in 2008.

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin571.htm

I WISH JOE STACK HAD NOT KILLED HIMSELF



By Chuck Baldwin
February 19, 2010
NewsWithViews.com

All of us are now aware of the Texas man who yesterday flew his private plane into a 7-story Austin office building. Apparently, he intentionally crashed his plane into the building to target the IRS offices that were housed inside the facility.

As I am writing this column just hours after the event took place, there has not yet been a lot of time for the major news media talking heads to spin the story. By the time this column is released on Friday, however, I'm sure we will all have been inundated with copious references to this man, Joe Stack, as being "off his rocker," or similar assertions. Perhaps our friends at DHS will label Stack a "right-wing domestic terrorist." However, Mr. Stack apparently left behind a "suicide manifesto" explaining his actions. After carefully reading Stack's manifesto, I am quite convinced that he was not crazy, and he was not a "terrorist." However, he was angry.

A lot of us are angry--and for many of the same reasons that Mr. Stack was angry! While I would certainly take exception to some of the things Stack says in his manifesto, he said things that many of us are feeling.

Stack began his manifesto by saying, "If you're reading this, you're no doubt asking yourself, 'Why did this have to happen?' The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time."

He goes on to say, "Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble [principles] represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was 'no taxation with representation' . . . These days anyone who really stands up for that [principle] is promptly labeled a 'crackpot,' traitor and worse."

For the most part, he's right about that, of course. It has been a long time since the average hardworking American has been represented in Washington, D.C. By and large, the politicians in DC represent only Big Money interests. Just try talking with your congressman or senator and see how much personal interest he or she takes in anything you have to say. As for emails, letters, and faxes, unless they number in the tens of thousands, they are mostly used as kindling for the fireplace.

Obviously, Mr. Stack had long felt the frustration of being ignored by these pimps in Washington that we know as congressmen. He wrote, "While very few working people would say they haven't had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say."

I suppose that just about every American could say the same thing.

Then, regarding our current tax system, Stack wrote, "Here we have a [tax] system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly 'holds accountable' its victims, claiming that they're responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law 'requires' a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that's not 'duress' [then] what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is."

He also wrote, "However, this is where I learned that there are two 'interpretations' for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us."

However, I think a better way of putting his statement would have been, "There are two interpretations for every law; one for the GOVERNMENT, and one for the rest of us." And only the most naïve among us would not understand that statement.

According to Stack's manifesto, he earned an engineering degree with the goal of becoming an "independent engineer." He said this about working his way through college: "I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time."

I know that feeling! My wife and I married between my sophomore and junior years of college, and for months we had a grand total of $15 a week to spend on groceries. And believe me: that did not go very far--not even in 1974. How many politicians on Capitol Hill do you think could even remotely relate to Mr. Stack?

Stack later said, "I decided that I didn't trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself."

Wow! What a revolutionary idea: taking responsibility for yourself! Now I know that practically no one on Capitol Hill can relate to Mr. Stack!


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After quoting a portion of the tax law relating to Section 1706 (Treatment of Certain Technical Personnel), Stack wrote, "The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave."

His manifesto clearly reveals bitterness and resentment toward the IRS, the tax system, the banker and Big Business government bailouts, and the emergence of police-state attitudes and actions in the aftermath of 9/11. He expressed disdain for "the monsters of organized religion." He talked about his move from California to Texas. He referred to a divorce and the way his savings and retirement had been wiped out after a career of working "100-hour workweeks."

Stack also noted, "The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government." I can say "Amen" to that.

Stack's conclusion: "I have had all I can stand."

In what was obviously a reference to what he was about to do, he wrote, "Nothing changes unless there is a body count."

Then, later he said, "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at 'big brother' while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won't continue; I have just had enough."

Stack wrapped up his manifesto by saying, "Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."

See Joe Stack's manifesto here.

My heart goes out to Joe Stack! The sentiments expressed above are shared by millions of Americans who are also fed up with Big Brother. We are fed up with our country being turned into a burgeoning police state, under the rubric of "national security." We are fed up with the harassments of the IRS. We know the "war on drugs" is merely the government's way of cutting out the competition (this is exactly what more than one retired federal law enforcement agent--employed in the drug war--told me). We know the "war on terror" is nothing but an excuse to trample our constitutional liberties. We are fed up with the voracious vampires known as the Federal Reserve sucking the lifeblood out of the veins of America's hardworking Middle Class. We are tired of the CFR, CIA, and America's State Department manufacturing perpetual wars that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives for the benefit of the global elite. We are fed up with an arrogant and oppressive federal government that is strangling the life and freedom out of our states. We all share Joe Stack's pain!

I really wish Joe Stack had not killed himself, however. We need each other. By taking his life, he reduced our strength. The global elites delight in our demise. As we grow weaker, they grow stronger.

But the fight is not over; the battle is not lost! Rumblings of freedom's revival can be felt across the length and breadth of this nation. The clanging of liberty's resolve can be heard in hamlets and villages from Montana to South Carolina. There are still millions of us--from virtually every walk of life--who will not surrender our liberties without a fight! And we have not yet begun to fight!

So, to the rest of us Joe Stacks out there: let's not fly our planes into buildings. Let's not end our lives prematurely. Instead, get mad; get organized; get educated; start equipping your heart, mind, and body for the battle ahead. Let's fight; let's study; let's prepare; let's make every would-be tyrant on Capitol Hill and Wall Street know that we are not going to sit back and let them steal our country. Let's send a message, in no uncertain terms, that if they want our pound of flesh, they are going to have to come and get it--and if they do, it's going to cost them a whole lot more than a pound of theirs!

Oh, Joe! I wish you had not killed yourself.

silus
02-18-2010, 08:39 PM
Chuck Baldwin should wait for the facts to come out before jumping on the bandwagon. His manifesto might have been worth its wait in gold, but until you know the actual events that led to his end, then you really don't know if it was his long frustration with government or a more personal, family issue that triggered this decision.... In any case, I think after reading this letter the man is trying to give his death more honor than it should. He left a wife and a daughter. And I believe its EXTREMELY rare where a movement is better served through death than in life.

t0rnado
02-18-2010, 08:41 PM
We don't know much about this guy yet. Sure, what he wrote might seem a bit right-wing, but that's still just an assumption.

jmdrake
02-18-2010, 10:01 PM
Chuck Baldwin should wait for the facts to come out before jumping on the bandwagon. His manifesto might have been worth its wait in gold, but until you know the actual events that led to his end, then you really don't know if it was his long frustration with government or a more personal, family issue that triggered this decision.... In any case, I think after reading this letter the man is trying to give his death more honor than it should. He left a wife and a daughter. And I believe its EXTREMELY rare where a movement is better served through death than in life.

Chuck isn't saying the movement was better served through this man's death. Quite the opposite. And you're right, we don't know all of the facts. I think most with Pastor Baldwin that there are better ways to fight this system than killing yourself and others and there are frustrations in the letter that we can all agree with.


We don't know much about this guy yet. Sure, what he wrote might seem a bit right-wing, but that's still just an assumption.

I don't think Stack was an "right winger". In fact I'm pretty sure he wasn't based on his statements about healthcare. But I'm not sure what that even matters? You don't have to be right wing to know the tax system is out of whack.

ctiger2
02-18-2010, 10:09 PM
I don't think Stack was an "right winger". In fact I'm pretty sure he wasn't based on his statements about healthcare. But I'm not sure what that even matters? You don't have to be right wing to know the tax system is out of whack.

He wasn't a right winger. From what I took out of it he was disenfranchised with the entire political system. He was basically pointing out what most of us know here already. We're being robbed and enslaved. He chose the easy way out.

klamath
02-18-2010, 10:19 PM
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jake
02-18-2010, 10:22 PM
frustration building..

cajuncocoa
02-18-2010, 10:26 PM
Has anyone actually read Joseph Stack's suicide message?

He sounded more like a left-wing loon than any of the people I've met at a Campaign for Liberty tea party.

I don't think he was "one of us."

The number of people who are jumping on this guy's bandwagon is extremely disturbing.

jmdrake
02-18-2010, 10:35 PM
Goodness, some folks don't get it. Pastor Chuck isn't saying he's "one of us". And least that's not what I'm seeing. ctiger2 hit the nail on the head. A message of frustration at the growing corpotocracy resonates across the political spectrum. But resorting to violence isn't the solution. There are people on the left as mad at the bailouts and the tax system as we are. If everyone could put aside their red state/blue state differences for one election cycle and just vote against every bailout politician we'd have our country back.

sevin
02-18-2010, 10:39 PM
Has anyone actually read Joseph Stack's suicide message?

He sounded more like a left-wing loon than any of the people I've met at a Campaign for Liberty tea party.

I don't think he was "one of us."

The number of people who are jumping on this guy's bandwagon is extremely disturbing.

Agreed. At the end of his letter he says: "The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. "The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed."

Sounds pretty leftist to me.

Please stop associating this guy with our movement.

Baptist
02-18-2010, 10:46 PM
My guess is that he was not that political at all. He was just a normal sheeple who wanted to live the American dream. However, this sheeple experienced what it is like when the government comes after you.

jmdrake
02-18-2010, 10:49 PM
Agreed. At the end of his letter he says: "The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. "The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed."

Sounds pretty leftist to me.

Please stop associating this guy with our movement.

I was one of the first people to say he was not a part of our movement based on his position on healthcare! That said the frustration with the tax system cuts across ideological lines. I told a friend of mine who I know voted for Obama about someone crashing into an IRS building and the first thing out of his mouth was "Good". That was before I told him that people died in the crash. I'll put this in bullet points.


Stack part of liberty - tea party - ron paul movment? NO!
Stack understandably angry? YES!
Stack chose the right way to deal with his anger? NO!
Possible to reach people like Stack on left and right who are frustrated as hell and get them to do something constructive instead of self destructive? Hopeful yes.


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akforme
02-18-2010, 10:52 PM
He is one of us. He's an individual that found his best option due to pressure from government force. We can say he's wrong but the fact is you put anyone in certain situations and these will be the results.

cajuncocoa
02-18-2010, 10:58 PM
He is one of us. He's an individual that found his best option due to pressure from government force. We can say he's wrong but the fact is you put anyone in certain situations and these will be the results.

Nope. I reject your theory. Killing is wrong, and no matter what my circumstances, I would not compromise my values.

sevin
02-18-2010, 11:09 PM
I was one of the first people to say he was not a part of our movement based on his position on healthcare! That said the frustration with the tax system cuts across ideological lines. I told a friend of mine who I know voted for Obama about someone crashing into an IRS building and the first thing out of his mouth was "Good". That was before I told him that people died in the crash. I'll put this in bullet points.



Damn, dude. I didn't say YOU were associating him with this movement. I was addressing the people who are.

jmdrake
02-18-2010, 11:35 PM
Damn, dude. I didn't say YOU were associating him with this movement. I was addressing the people who are.

My bad. :o

RedStripe
02-18-2010, 11:49 PM
Agreed. At the end of his letter he says: "The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. "The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed."

Sounds pretty leftist to me.

Please stop associating this guy with our movement.

Except the fact that his description of the capitalist system is accurate - it is the libertarian re-coining of the phrase "capitalism" to mean something that it isn't (a free market system) that is inaccurate and completely absurd considering the way the terms is actually used by the vast majority of people.

nayjevin
02-19-2010, 04:00 AM
Except the fact that his description of the capitalist system is accurate - it is the libertarian re-coining of the phrase "capitalism" to mean something that it isn't (a free market system) that is inaccurate and completely absurd considering the way the terms is actually used by the vast majority of people.

Please explain.

nobody's_hero
02-19-2010, 05:40 AM
Joe Stack might have been a convertible leftist, [at least to the extent of] Mike Gravel.

The first sign of a liberal's thirst for revolution is that they actually get pissed at big-government.

I know many of us are libertarians, so distrust that government will ever do what it says it's gonna do comes natural to us. But, as Ron Paul mentions in The Revolution: A Manifesto liberals have an "inexcusably naive" trust in government. It's true. Think of all the programs that liberals know are bankrupt and have failed at the hands of government, but yet they still trust the government to make it all better. Over, and over, and over.

So, if you see a liberal who is actually criticizing a big-government program like the IRS and the income tax, that's your chance to 'spread the gospel'! That's an opportunity to talk to that liberal about libertarianism and the strict-constitutionism that Ron Paul advocates.

webstar
02-19-2010, 06:33 AM
Joseph Stack contributed $500.00 to the Ron Paul for President campaign.

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?28931046803

Love him or hate him, loath him or embrace him, he is now part of the Ron Paul image.

purplechoe
02-19-2010, 06:36 AM
Joseph Stack contributed $500.00 to the Ron Paul for President campaign.

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?28931046803

Love him or hate him, loath him or embrace him, he is now part of the Ron Paul image.

I've read in one of the threads that it was a different guy that lived in a different city. Besides "if" it was him, he probably donated to Obama as well. I base that on the last 2 lines of his letter.

webstar
02-19-2010, 06:44 AM
"he probably donated to Obama as well"?!?!?!?!?

Do you have proof of such a claim?

If he is NOT a Paul supporter, there are those who are doing their best to show he was

http://politicalintegritynow.com/2010/02/joseph-stacks-facebook-page-and-emily-walters/

this is getting very interesting. I am sure more will emerge.

purplechoe
02-19-2010, 06:51 AM
"he probably donated to Obama as well"?!?!?!?!?

Do you have proof of such a claim?

no proof just speculating, but Ron Paul is a capitalist and according to the suicide note:


...The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.


Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

GunnyFreedom
02-19-2010, 06:59 AM
Joseph Stack contributed $500.00 to the Ron Paul for President campaign.

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?28931046803 (http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?28931046803)

Love him or hate him, loath him or embrace him, he is now part of the Ron Paul image.

Joseph Robert Stack who is a CPA, did donate $500 to RP's campaign on 12/12/07. Joseph Andrew Stack who despised CPA's and crashed an airplane into the IRS because of his irrational hatred for CPA's, did not. These are two different people with two completely different backgrounds.

webstar
02-19-2010, 07:10 AM
thanks for clearing that up. It is all over the net.

GunnyFreedom
02-19-2010, 07:12 AM
thanks for clearing that up. It is all over the net.

Please counter that disinformation wherever you see it. If you feel the need, feel free to simply copy-paste what I wrote above.


ETA -- oh yeah, and they may be leftist, but does anybody know how to get Snopes to cover this? This is clearly disinformation, and ppl may go to Snopes to check it. People deserve to know the truth.

A. Havnes
02-19-2010, 07:46 AM
Where are you guys finding the suicide note?

Bruno
02-19-2010, 07:49 AM
Where are you guys finding the suicide note?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack1.html

seeker4sho
02-19-2010, 08:08 AM
I'm so glad I voted for this guy in 2008.

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin571.htm

I WISH JOE STACK HAD NOT KILLED HIMSELF



By Chuck Baldwin
February 19, 2010
NewsWithViews.com

All of us are now aware of the Texas man who yesterday flew his private plane into a 7-story Austin office building. Apparently, he intentionally crashed his plane into the building to target the IRS offices that were housed inside the facility.

As I am writing this column just hours after the event took place, there has not yet been a lot of time for the major news media talking heads to spin the story. By the time this column is released on Friday, however, I'm sure we will all have been inundated with copious references to this man, Joe Stack, as being "off his rocker," or similar assertions. Perhaps our friends at DHS will label Stack a "right-wing domestic terrorist." However, Mr. Stack apparently left behind a "suicide manifesto" explaining his actions. After carefully reading Stack's manifesto, I am quite convinced that he was not crazy, and he was not a "terrorist." However, he was angry.

A lot of us are angry--and for many of the same reasons that Mr. Stack was angry! While I would certainly take exception to some of the things Stack says in his manifesto, he said things that many of us are feeling.

Stack began his manifesto by saying, "If you're reading this, you're no doubt asking yourself, 'Why did this have to happen?' The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time."

He goes on to say, "Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble [principles] represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was 'no taxation with representation' . . . These days anyone who really stands up for that [principle] is promptly labeled a 'crackpot,' traitor and worse."

For the most part, he's right about that, of course. It has been a long time since the average hardworking American has been represented in Washington, D.C. By and large, the politicians in DC represent only Big Money interests. Just try talking with your congressman or senator and see how much personal interest he or she takes in anything you have to say. As for emails, letters, and faxes, unless they number in the tens of thousands, they are mostly used as kindling for the fireplace.

Obviously, Mr. Stack had long felt the frustration of being ignored by these pimps in Washington that we know as congressmen. He wrote, "While very few working people would say they haven't had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say."

I suppose that just about every American could say the same thing.

Then, regarding our current tax system, Stack wrote, "Here we have a [tax] system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly 'holds accountable' its victims, claiming that they're responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law 'requires' a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that's not 'duress' [then] what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is."

He also wrote, "However, this is where I learned that there are two 'interpretations' for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us."

However, I think a better way of putting his statement would have been, "There are two interpretations for every law; one for the GOVERNMENT, and one for the rest of us." And only the most naïve among us would not understand that statement.

According to Stack's manifesto, he earned an engineering degree with the goal of becoming an "independent engineer." He said this about working his way through college: "I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time."

I know that feeling! My wife and I married between my sophomore and junior years of college, and for months we had a grand total of $15 a week to spend on groceries. And believe me: that did not go very far--not even in 1974. How many politicians on Capitol Hill do you think could even remotely relate to Mr. Stack?

Stack later said, "I decided that I didn't trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself."

Wow! What a revolutionary idea: taking responsibility for yourself! Now I know that practically no one on Capitol Hill can relate to Mr. Stack!


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After quoting a portion of the tax law relating to Section 1706 (Treatment of Certain Technical Personnel), Stack wrote, "The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave."

His manifesto clearly reveals bitterness and resentment toward the IRS, the tax system, the banker and Big Business government bailouts, and the emergence of police-state attitudes and actions in the aftermath of 9/11. He expressed disdain for "the monsters of organized religion." He talked about his move from California to Texas. He referred to a divorce and the way his savings and retirement had been wiped out after a career of working "100-hour workweeks."

Stack also noted, "The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government." I can say "Amen" to that.

Stack's conclusion: "I have had all I can stand."

In what was obviously a reference to what he was about to do, he wrote, "Nothing changes unless there is a body count."

Then, later he said, "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at 'big brother' while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won't continue; I have just had enough."

Stack wrapped up his manifesto by saying, "Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."

See Joe Stack's manifesto here.

My heart goes out to Joe Stack! The sentiments expressed above are shared by millions of Americans who are also fed up with Big Brother. We are fed up with our country being turned into a burgeoning police state, under the rubric of "national security." We are fed up with the harassments of the IRS. We know the "war on drugs" is merely the government's way of cutting out the competition (this is exactly what more than one retired federal law enforcement agent--employed in the drug war--told me). We know the "war on terror" is nothing but an excuse to trample our constitutional liberties. We are fed up with the voracious vampires known as the Federal Reserve sucking the lifeblood out of the veins of America's hardworking Middle Class. We are tired of the CFR, CIA, and America's State Department manufacturing perpetual wars that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives for the benefit of the global elite. We are fed up with an arrogant and oppressive federal government that is strangling the life and freedom out of our states. We all share Joe Stack's pain!

I really wish Joe Stack had not killed himself, however. We need each other. By taking his life, he reduced our strength. The global elites delight in our demise. As we grow weaker, they grow stronger.

But the fight is not over; the battle is not lost! Rumblings of freedom's revival can be felt across the length and breadth of this nation. The clanging of liberty's resolve can be heard in hamlets and villages from Montana to South Carolina. There are still millions of us--from virtually every walk of life--who will not surrender our liberties without a fight! And we have not yet begun to fight!

So, to the rest of us Joe Stacks out there: let's not fly our planes into buildings. Let's not end our lives prematurely. Instead, get mad; get organized; get educated; start equipping your heart, mind, and body for the battle ahead. Let's fight; let's study; let's prepare; let's make every would-be tyrant on Capitol Hill and Wall Street know that we are not going to sit back and let them steal our country. Let's send a message, in no uncertain terms, that if they want our pound of flesh, they are going to have to come and get it--and if they do, it's going to cost them a whole lot more than a pound of theirs!

Oh, Joe! I wish you had not killed yourself.

That is outstanding. I could not agree more. Everybody has a breaking point. I can only hope and pray that folks that reach their breaking point will direct their anger in ways that will accomplish our goal of replacing the tyrants in office without out voluntarily sacrificing their lives. I also hope the tyrants will get their just due when all is said and done -- either prison time or the death chamber whichever is appropriate for their crimes.

seeker4sho
02-19-2010, 08:28 AM
Joseph Stack contributed $500.00 to the Ron Paul for President campaign.

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?28931046803

Love him or hate him, loath him or embrace him, he is now part of the Ron Paul image.

So? What is your point? The man reached his breaking point and ended his life by attacking those that caused him to reach that point. I dare say all RP supporters -- including me -- have a breaking point. Hopefully when we reach that point we will direct our anger in such a way that will not end in suicide. For me, ending my life for a cause bigger than me would not be the "easy way out" as some have suggested. I would have to be extremely desperate to do something that drastic -- like physically protecting my love ones for example. My loyalties are to God, family, country - in that order.

GunnyFreedom
02-19-2010, 08:33 AM
So? What is your point? The man reached his breaking point and ended his life by attacking those that caused him to reach that point. I dare say all RP supporters -- including me -- have a breaking point. Hopefully when we reach that point we will direct our anger in such a way that will not end in suicide. For me, ending my life for a cause bigger than me would not be the "easy way out" as some have suggested. I would have to be extremely desperate to do something that drastic -- like physically protecting my love ones for example. My loyalties are to God, family, country - in that order.

Joseph Robert Stack who is a CPA, did donate $500 to RP's campaign on 12/12/07. Joseph Andrew Stack who despised CPA's and crashed an airplane into the IRS because of his irrational hatred for CPA's, did not. These are two different people with two completely different backgrounds.

jmdrake
02-19-2010, 10:05 AM
Please counter that disinformation wherever you see it. If you feel the need, feel free to simply copy-paste what I wrote above.


ETA -- oh yeah, and they may be leftist, but does anybody know how to get Snopes to cover this? This is clearly disinformation, and ppl may go to Snopes to check it. People deserve to know the truth.

Well Snopes has a web forum.

http://message.snopes.com/

seeker4sho
02-19-2010, 01:31 PM
Joseph Robert Stack who is a CPA, did donate $500 to RP's campaign on 12/12/07. Joseph Andrew Stack who despised CPA's and crashed an airplane into the IRS because of his irrational hatred for CPA's, did not. These are two different people with two completely different backgrounds.

I will read his manifesto again but I believe his primary beef was with the IRS.