Rand on AC 360-Palin would make a great president

[cindy25]

Ron and Rand both on now

[specsaregood]

Ron and Rand both on now

That is not an exact quote. "Could make a great president, BUT what we will see is the primary selection process....."

[MRoCkEd]

He tried avoiding the question, but Anderson boxed him in.
What could he do?
If he said otherwise, he would be giving Grayson great footage.

[Depressed Liberator]

I think Rand would have preferred if she had endorsed no one. I don't think he feels comfortable even talking about her.

That said, I still blacked out when he said that.

[specsaregood]

He tried avoiding the question, but Anderson boxed him in.
What could he do?


Could, not Would. Hell I could make a great president.

Saying "Would" involves seeing into the future or being blind to possiblities.
"Could" says there are good things about somebody, but it would depend on their actions once in office.

[Immortal Technique]

He said and i quote

"Yeah I think Sarah Palin could be a Great President"

[Cowlesy]

attempt box-in, hit piece?

Perhaps

[Imperial]

Yep he tried to dodge it. Oh well. It isn't an endorsement.

Good question from Cooper though. Of course the media will ask things like that.

[specsaregood]

attempt box-in, hit piece?
Perhaps
Rand was smooth though. That question was right after a question about "Is McCain your type of Republican" And Rand was ready with something nice to say.

[FrankRep]

Sarah Palin would be a better president than Bush and Obama. I'll be afraid she'll be influenced by her Neocon friends like McCain.

Sarah Palin endorsed Rand Paul, which is very helpful with Republicans.

[cindy25]

he didn't have a choice to say that, but It still might come back to haunt him.

Palin could be a great president if she took off the Israeli flag, and told Kristol to go to hell

[runningdiz]

Yeah it was an obvious he was trying to dodge it and he did an excellent job doing so. People have to constantly keep in mind he is running a campaign so he is going to speak like a typical politician running for an election. Never answer the question and just say things that will help get him elected.

I will be interested to hear him speak when he is elected and does not have to guard what he says as much as he does now.

[Immortal Technique]

I know he wants to win but that really disturbed me

[someperson]

Sarah Palin would be a better president than Bush and Obama.
I feel that is unlikely, as history tends to repeat.

YouTube - The George Bush You Forgot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VMtUCnGmxk)

[Fr3shjive]

I know he wants to win but that really disturbed me

+1. He's supposed to be the non-politician and call it like it is. He could've come right out and said "I respect Sarah Palin and I think she's great but I dont think she'd be a good choice for president". Dont sit there and lie through your teeth just to get a few votes.

[FrankRep]

he didn't have a choice to say that, but It still might come back to haunt him.

Palin could be a great president if she took off the Israeli flag, and told Kristol to go to hell
Majority of Republicans support Israel. Just the way it is.

[specsaregood]

Sarah Palin endorsed Rand Paul, which is very helpful with Republicans.

Palin is an interesting case. She is in some ways a monster of their own creation. I've been listening to some neocon radio lately and callers keep saying stuff like "when we get palin elected in 2012" the talk show hosts such as Hannity try to avoid it and do all they can to avoid saying anything bad about her; although they go out of their way to keep from saying they agree. In fact what they say is very similar to what Rand said. In some ways it appears they are more scared of her than us.

[IPSecure]

I wish he would have said hell no, my Dad would be though...

[FrankRep]

I wish he would have said hell no, my Dad would be though...
Bad politics. Very stupid.

[jmdrake]

Sarah Palin would be a better president than Bush and Obama.

How exactly? With Obama you can make the "She wouldn't be pushing Obamacare" argument. You can't say that with Bush. I think in some ways she would be worse than both.


I'll be afraid she'll be influenced by her Neocon friends like McCain.

Yeah. And Obama and Bush have been badly influenced too. So how is Palin supposed to be better again?



Sarah Palin endorsed Rand Paul, which is very helpful with Republicans.

And now we see the price of the endorsement. (And I saw this before the endorsement was ever made). Palin doesn't need a direct endorsement from Rand. She just needs to mute criticism from him. Mission accomplished.

[low preference guy]

He said and i quote

"Yeah I think Sarah Palin could be a Great President"

I'm impressed how fast Rand can think on his feet. That's a perfect answer, because as someone said, anyone "could" be a good President. If I was in Rand's place, I wouldn't think of the right answer so quickly.

[jmdrake]

I feel that is unlikely, as history tends to repeat.

YouTube - The George Bush You Forgot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VMtUCnGmxk)

My thoughts exactly.

[Justinjj1]

Rand isn't a straight shooter, that's something that Ive noticed about him that I really do not like. He seems to be willing to play the game of politics a lot more than his dad and not stick to his guns.

[low preference guy]

Rand isn't a straight shooter, that's something that Ive noticed about him that I really do not like. He seems to be willing to play the game of politics a lot more than his dad and not stick to his guns.

Is that bad? I think it's good to have two different styles. Both Rand and Ron will contribute something positive to the liberty movement.

[IPSecure]

Bad politics. Very stupid.

Frack politics, honest answers is what we need.

We will just have to disagree...

[FrankRep]

Frack politics, honest answers is what we need.
We will just have to disagree...

I hate politics too, but you have to play the game.

[jmdrake]

he didn't have a choice to say that, but It still might come back to haunt him.

Palin could be a great president if she took off the Israeli flag, and told Kristol to go to hell

....And if she learned that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11
....And if she apologized for backing the Bush bailout
....And if she distanced herself from people like Rick Perry and John McCain
....And if she quit writing notes to herself on her hand
....And if she quit overreacting when people used the word "retarded" or talked about "lipstick on a pig
....And if she cut her ties to Henry Kissenger
....And

[specsaregood]

Frack politics, honest answers is what we need.

We will just have to disagree...

It was a honest answer. The question was not Palin vs RP1.
He said "Sarah Palin could be a great president" how do you know that is untrue? Can you see the future? I wouldn't support her and Rand didn't say he would either. But how can you say definitively that should wouldnt be a great president?

[Justinjj1]

I guess that's good if you want more milquetoast politicians. What attracted me to Ron in the first place was his brutal honesty. I have a feeling Rand is going to be a big disappointment, but hopefully I'm wrong.

[IPSecure]

It was a honest answer. The question was not Palin vs RP1.
He said "Sarah Palin could be a great president" how do you know that is untrue? Can you see the future? I wouldn't support her and Rand didn't say he would either. But how can you say definitively that should wouldnt be a great president?

RP1 - Kule.



Regarding Palin: I believe we are watching in real time the rise of the third party, which will be controlled by the powers that be from its' inception.

[Justinjj1]

It was a honest answer. The question was not Palin vs RP1.
He said "Sarah Palin could be a great president" how do you know that is untrue? Can you see the future? I wouldn't support her and Rand didn't say he would either. But how can you say definitively that should wouldnt be a great president?

Almost everything she has ever publicly said leads me to the conclusion that she would be an awful president. Theoretically, Charles Manson could be a great president but based on all that I know about him I would never claim that he "could be a great president".

[BlackTerrel]

Give me a break. When you have a microphone in front of you 12 hours a day you're never going to agree with everything that someone says - especially if it's a six word quote taken out of context.

Let's judge people by their body of work please.

[TheConstitutionLives]

I know he wants to win but that really disturbed me

Then you don't know politics. Candidates have to say things that appeal to their voting base. Duh. Cut him some slack.

[jmdrake]

Is that bad? I think it's good to have two different styles. Both Rand and Ron will contribute something positive to the liberty movement.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ron is Gandalf. Rand is Frodo. Politics is the ring of power. That ring is being entrusted to Rand. But just like Frodo, Rand has to be careful not to be corrupted by its enticing allure. This can work. But it can backfire too.

[TheConstitutionLives]

Frack politics, honest answers is what we need.

We will just have to disagree...

You should run for office and do nothing but speak your mind. Let's see how far you get.

[Immortal Technique]

+1. He's supposed to be the non-politician and call it like it is. He could've come right out and said "I respect Sarah Palin and I think she's great but I dont think she'd be a good choice for president". Dont sit there and lie through your teeth just to get a few votes.

or hell he could have said i dont speculate on those kind of matters
He shouldnt have taken the endorsement in the first place, the woman is a neocon
look i love Ron but Rand got some growing up to do if you ask me, hes playing politics and snuggling up to a neo con just to get elected

[eok321]

The Pauls are getting alot of love in the comments section on AC360:)

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/16/live-blog-from-the-anchor-desk-21609-2/#comments

Being a moderate democrat, Ron Paul is one of the few republicans I support. I would have voted for him in the presidential election if he would have won the primaries. I really like him, he has always been honest as far a politician goes. Sarah Palin is not that type of person, I really dont like the type of person she is, she caters to the audience and is very dishonest.

[ammorris]

I guess that's good if you want more milquetoast politicians. What attracted me to Ron in the first place was his brutal honesty. I have a feeling Rand is going to be a big disappointment, but hopefully I'm wrong.

If your goal is to stick to continue backing politicians with no hope of winning while the country careens toward absolute tyranny, then yes, Rand will be a big disappointment. The rest of us would very much like to have someone in a position of influence who can actually put into action the ideas that we talk about, even if it means putting up with some nonsense during campaign season.

[cindy25]

Majority of Republicans support Israel. Just the way it is.

true, but I don't understand why.

most Jews vote Democratic and always will.

[Annihilia]

Rand isn't a straight shooter, that's something that Ive noticed about him that I really do not like. He seems to be willing to play the game of politics a lot more than his dad and not stick to his guns.

I know it's been said to death, but Rand is also not in the same position as his father.

[IPSecure]

You should run for office and do nothing but speak your mind. Let's see how far you get.

So we all play the politics game, and end up with... ?

[jmdrake]

Then you don't know politics. Candidates have to say things that appeal to their voting base. Duh. Cut him some slack.

This ain't an either or. Or rather it wasn't before the Palin endorsement. Rand already had a double digit lead. But some folks were like "beg Palin to endorse Rand". (I doubt that made a difference. I think she would have endorsed him anyway simply because he had a double digit lead.) Yes at this point we're stuck with Palin and some other neocon baggage and that's going to cause problems for the movement as a whole going into 2012, but that's the hand we've got. That doesn't mean everybody has to be happy about it.

[Justinjj1]

You should run for office and do nothing but speak your mind. Let's see how far you get.

You have to play to the lowest common denominator to be successful in politics. Maybe I'm wrong but what we need is not politicians, but people who are willing to promote ideas. I think Ron Paul is more successful having stuck with his principles and lost the election of '08, than if he would have won it and compromised his beliefs. I can picture Rand being a Jim Demint type senator that we agree with on certain issues and is better than most, but still is willing to toe the party line most of the time.

[low preference guy]

You have to play to the lowest common denominator to be successful in politics. Maybe I'm wrong but what we need is not politicians, but people who are willing to promote ideas. I think Ron Paul is more successful having stuck with his principles and lost the election of '08, than if he would have won it and compromised his beliefs. I can picture Rand being a Jim Demint type senator that we agree with on certain issues and is better than most, but still is willing to toe the party line most of the time.

Ron Paul compromised a lot. Take the issue of illegal immigration, and those ads he ran. He doesn't believe in that, he was for making immigration easy in '88. The libertarian position is that two wrongs don't make a right. If the immigrants take welfare services, you abolish the welfare services, not the immigration. If abolishing welfare is not achievable politically, you still let the people come so they will break the welfare system. That's the libertarian answer, but I'm glad Ron Paul didn't say it. He is in a position of more influence for having done so.

Also, take a look at letters Ron Paul sent encouraging his supporters to look into incumbent neocons in Texas. That's because he made a deal or was threatened into supporting incumbents, but nevertheless, he wasn't being a straight shooter there.

Even Judge Napolitano said "Ron did some things that he had to do". He was referring to these kind of tricks, and the Judge said it approvingly.

Both Rand and Ron are doing the best they can from where they are.

[Romulus]

politics = groupthink. The minute you start having an individual thought, you are ostracized for it. It's a herd mentality dynamic and its the death of us all.

[CapitalistRadical]

I'm tired of watching my candidates get 3% in the polls! Is it really because of lack of brutal honesty? If voters wanted straight talk, Congress would be full of libertarians and socialists. No, it's about time we had people who knew how to play the game. Aren't you guys excited at the prospect of victory?!

[IPSecure]

Aren't you guys excited at the prospect of victory?!

Absolutely!

[TruthisTreason]

Aren't you guys excited at the prospect of victory?!

YES!! +2

If some people on this forum are depending on "ron paul supporters" or "the liberty movement" or some sort of "magic moment"( where everyone thinks like Ron Paul) to propel Rand Paul to the Senate...please pinch yourself now. We are the minority! It's going to take more than us! We have to develop coalitions of voters that agree with us on some issues NOT all issues. Unless we want to bring home that 3%! You hope those you bring in learn to respect you and open their minds to the views they may not agree with. But if not you work on the things you agree on!

The Sarah Palin endorsement is one of the best things that has happened in Rand's campaign heading into this primary election, in my eyes.

The so called movement is never going anywhere until some realize it's about building coalitions. If you don't want to work with people you don't agree with, you are not ready for politics. Perhaps, you should start a dictatorship on some island or stick to posting on this forum with me. :p

[CapitalistRadical]

The so called movement is never going anywhere until some realize it's about building coalitions.

Absolutely!

People here really need to learn the difference between compromise on principles and coalition building. Keep your principles 100% pure! But build temporary coalitions with anybody that will take you even an inch in the right direction.

Study history. The hard-core Marxists didn't get very far in the West. Contrast that failure with what the evolutionary Fabians achieved. They worked with an entire spectrum of partial sympathizers and temporary allies. Because they kept their eye on the prize.

[BuddyRey]

I wish they had asked Ron this question instead of Rand. He would have given them an answer that would have shorted out their microphones! :D

[purplechoe]

<----- holdes his tongue...

[tangent4ronpaul]

YouTube or it didn;'t happen!

-t

[Matt Collins]

Maybe I'm wrong but what we need is not politicians, but people who are willing to promote ideas.We have to win the people's hearts and minds in the off cycle, then during election time it's easy to win their votes. That's the whole concept of the CFL - a vehicle for education and activism so that liberty candidates have an organized and structured base.


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[Ron_Paul_Knows]

YouTube - Ron Paul & Rand Paul Explain Why Voters Are So Angry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oddRDcEUKnE)

[Matt Collins]

YouTube - Ron Paul & Rand Paul Explain Why Voters Are So Angry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oddRDcEUKnE)

[specsaregood]

Notice the little label on the screen lists Evan Bayh as a republican...

[Mike4Freedom]

Is that bad? I think it's good to have two different styles. Both Rand and Ron will contribute something positive to the liberty movement.

Also notice how Rand is doing in the polls. He is killing it right now and will continue to do so. I also believe he will vote just like his father does, for liberty and freemdom.

[Ricky201]

I think it's interesting hearing Ron say that Rand was the child that challenged him the most. That's probably how they are so good at debates ;).

[Bman]

I'm done with Rand and here by apologize to anyone I may have attacked for criticizing Rand.

Saying Rand is a liberty candidate is like saying Demint is a liberty candidate. While I think out of the 3 people running for Kentucky he'd be the best, I just can't believe anymore that he is a liberty candidate. This has nothing to do with what he said about Palin. It had more to do with hearing the seperation he is trying to make from some of his fathers stances.

His stance on personal liberties is weak. Highlighted by his stance on drugs, and Gitmo.

I wouldn't send Demint money and I will never again, unless I see or hear some drastic changes, send Rand any more money.

Again I sincerely apologize to anyone I may have attacked for trying to tell us Rand is not a liberty candidate. You were right I was wrong.

[Baptist]

I'm done with Rand and here by apologize to anyone I may have attacked for criticizing Rand.

Saying Rand is a liberty candidate is like saying Demint is a liberty candidate. While I think out of the 3 people running for Kentucky he'd be the best, I just can't believe anymore that he is a liberty candidate. This has nothing to do with what he said about Palin. It had more to do with hearing the seperation he is trying to make from some of his fathers stances.

His stance on personal liberties is weak. Highlighted by his stance on drugs, and Gitmo.

I wouldn't send Demint money and I will never again, unless I see or hear some drastic changes, send Rand any more money.

Again I sincerely apologize to anyone I may have attacked for trying to tell us Rand is not a liberty candidate. You were right I was wrong.


It is disappointing. I'm pretty much fed up with politics. I still continue to spread the ideas of freedom to everyone I know, but I don't even know if I'll vote anymore, let alone donate time and money to candidates.

[Bman]

It is disappointing. I'm pretty much fed up with politics. I still continue to spread the ideas of freedom to everyone I know, but I don't even know if I'll vote anymore, let alone donate time and money to candidates.

I'm not done. It will only get worse if nothing is tried. I'm just going to be a bit more reserved and save my money for closer to home more often than not.

I really am disheartened. Especially when I see all of the well this is playing the game BS. As if all of a sudden people have forgotten how we get in a mess like this is in the first place.

For F&^k sake a person can't even get an endorsement from LPAC if they are running against a Republican incumbent. It's just not going to work this way. If you bend too much you will break. I'm afraid I see some fracturing and people need to come to terms with how bad they really wnat what Ron Pauls talks about or they can live in the status quo and many years from now question why all their efforts only achieved more of the same.

[itshappening]

notice Rand said COULD not WOULD.

COULD being the operative word.

I dont care for Palin much but her endorsement will help Rand win and that's 6 years in the Senate by which time Palin will be long forgotten

[purplechoe]

this is the only thing that come to my mind when I think about this subject...

WARNING - ADULT LANGUAGE

YouTube - The Seven Words (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Nrp7cj_tM)

[purplechoe]

http://www.politicallore.com/images/GOP_Sinking_Ship.jpg

[LittleLightShining]

Yep he tried to dodge it. Oh well. It isn't an endorsement.

Good question from Cooper though. Of course the media will ask things like that.He couldn't dodge it if he tried. He made a pact with the devil when he got her endorsement. Just like Ron has to endorse incumbent Republicans at the expense of people like Deb Medina, Rand, too, will have to compromise-- only more so because he's not an incumbent with a track record. He's bending with the wind all the time...

I'm glad I didn't send him any money. Fine if he wins but he's a politician now-- not a statesman.

[itshappening]

He couldn't dodge it if he tried. He made a pact with the devil when he got her endorsement. Just like Ron has to endorse incumbent Republicans at the expense of people like Deb Medina, Rand, too, will have to compromise-- only more so because he's not an incumbent with a track record. He's bending with the wind all the time...

I'm glad I didn't send him any money. Fine if he wins but he's a politician now-- not a statesman.

6 years in the senate vs. a few months appealing to mainstream Republicans. think about it.

[constituent]

+1. He's supposed to be the non-politician...

according to whom?

[constituent]

It is disappointing. I'm pretty much fed up with politics. I still continue to spread the ideas of freedom to everyone I know, but I don't even know if I'll vote anymore, let alone donate time and money to candidates.

I'm in the same boat... but it doesn't mean that you can't influence others to make better or more rational/informed decisions about their choices.

Granted, that is in a sense a donation, it also reaps its own benefits for you. I can't really say the same thing for sending in cash, advertising money bombs (gratis), etc. At that point, it seems to me that you're just working to make someone else's living... there are people who do this as a way of life, ya know?

[LittleLightShining]

6 years in the senate vs. a few months appealing to mainstream Republicans. think about it.

I have.

[FSP-Rebel]

I still support Rand as I think he's just doing what it takes to win a KY GOP Primary race for US Senate. But for the super-principled out there, consider joining the Free State Project and moving to NH where real libertarians are elected quite frequently, especially in local and state rep/senator races. When I moved to NH, my one vote was amplified by well over 1000% in these local/district races compared to where I used to live. Anyway, just wanted to interject an alternative plan for those who aren't optimistic about attaining liberty on a national level any time soon, even if a few liberty candidates get elected.