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erowe1
02-16-2010, 04:58 PM
I've tried to find archives of the old JBS Conservative Index scores for when Hostettler was in the House and Coats was in the Senate. So far all I've turned up are these few that someone archived on their website from 2002-2004.

http://www.lloydbaileysscuba.com/truth/ConservativeIndex.php

November 2002 (2 scores) - Hostettler scored 90/86, 2nd best in the House, behind Paul (89/91).

July 2003 - Hostettler scored 80 (tied with Tancredo and Franks), 3rd best in the House behind Flake (90) and Paul (100).

December 2003 (2 scores) - Hostettler scored 80/80 (tied on both scores with Tancredo), second in the House behind Paul (100/100)

July 2004 (2 scores) - Hostettler scored 80/80 (tied with Flake, Tancredo), 2nd best in the House behind Paul (100/100)

November 2004 (2 scores) - Hostettler scored 90/83, 4th best in the House behind Franks (100/78), Flake (100/85), Tancredo (100/85), and Paul (100/100)

In each of these scores Hostettler far surpasses most other Republicans, who generally score 50 or so. I can understand people who want to be purists, and I won't try to talk anyone out of that. But make no mistake, Hostettler is far superior to the average Republican and is hardly a neocon.

I know we have some JBS members in the forum. If any of them can hunt out other scores from Hostettler's tenure in the House (1995-2007), or Dan Coats' tenure in the House or Senate (1980-98), please share.

FrankRep
02-16-2010, 05:20 PM
The Older versions of the JBS Freedom Index (http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/Freedom_Index_111-2.pdf) aren't online anymore, but I'm digging into Hostetter's history though.

http://www.issues2000.org/IN/John_Hostettler.htm


He sounds fairly Conservative, but he's a little neocon on the Iraq war and Homeland Security.



- Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
- Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)

- Voted YES on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
- Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)

- Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)
- Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
- Voted YES on adopting the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. (Oct 2004)
- Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
- Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
- Voted YES on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
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John Taylor
02-16-2010, 06:08 PM
The Older versions of the JBS Freedom Index (http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/Freedom_Index_111-2.pdf) aren't online anymore, but I'm digging into Hostetter's history though.

http://www.issues2000.org/IN/John_Hostettler.htm


He sounds fairly Conservative, but he's a little neocon on the Iraq war and Homeland Security.



- Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
- Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)

- Voted YES on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
- Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)

- Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)
- Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
- Voted YES on adopting the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. (Oct 2004)
- Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
- Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
- Voted YES on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
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Well keep digging, he's definitely not a Ron Paul, but he's definitely more of a Patrick Buchanan conservative than a Bush conservative, and while he's not completely on board, he's without a doubt the best guy running down there. I'm not saying mortgage your house to support him, but he's a decent guy.

erowe1
02-16-2010, 06:50 PM
The Older versions of the JBS Freedom Index (http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/Freedom_Index_111-2.pdf) aren't online anymore, but I'm digging into Hostetter's history though.

http://www.issues2000.org/IN/John_Hostettler.htm


He sounds fairly Conservative, but he's a little neocon on the Iraq war and Homeland Security.



- Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
- Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)

- Voted YES on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
- Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)

- Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)
- Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
- Voted YES on adopting the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. (Oct 2004)
- Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
- Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
- Voted YES on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
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No on authorization of force against Iraq.
No on authorization of force against Kosovo.
No on creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security.
No on warrantless wiretaps.
Yes on defunding the UN.
Plus a ton more...
In addition to all those votes counted in those JBS indexes, see here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=222752

FrankRep
02-16-2010, 09:23 PM
:) Very cool.


Former US Congressman John Hostettler to attend Constitution Party event (http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/former-us-congressman-john-hostettler-to-attend-constitution-party-event/)

Independent Political Report
November 22, 2008

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/former-us-congressman-john-hostettler-to-attend-constitution-party-event/

erowe1
02-16-2010, 09:32 PM
:) Very cool.


Former US Congressman John Hostettler to attend Constitution Party event (http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/former-us-congressman-john-hostettler-to-attend-constitution-party-event/)

Independent Political Report
November 22, 2008

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/former-us-congressman-john-hostettler-to-attend-constitution-party-event/

Yeah, he even said there that he had voted for Baldwin for president.

IPR had other posts about that meeting as well. This one is interesting.
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/howard-phillips-makes-members-of-cpnc-angry-with-comment-on-rep-john-hostettler/

erowe1
02-20-2010, 12:59 PM
I just realized that I misunderstood how the scores are reported in these. Where they give 2 scores, the second one is always cumulative with previous scores for that session of Congress.

So the two key scores from those archives are the final cumulative one for the 107th Congress, and the final cumulative one for the 108th Congress.

In the 107th, Hostettler's final score (among those included in this archive) is 86, third place in the House behind Paul (91), and Flake (88).
http://www.lloydbaileysscuba.com/truth/pdf/ci107-4.pdf

In the 108th congress, Hostettler's final score (among those included in this archive) is 83, fourth place in the House behind Paul (100), and Flake and Tancredo (tied with 85).
http://www.lloydbaileysscuba.com/truth/pdf/ci108-4.pdf