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RP seems to spend an inordinate amount of time in places like Utah, Washington State, Tennessee etc.
Shouldn't he be "living" in Iowa and New Hampshire? Romney and Rudy have spent far more time in NH than he has!
70% of his fundraising comes from the Internet...so it's not like these visist to less important states are bringing in any inordinate sums of money. And it surely has to be costing a lot of campaign money to criss this big country from Utah to Tennesse etc.
Early wins in Iowa and NH would do far more to help him nationally than all the visits to places like Tennessee ever could.
Let's face it, if he doesn't win New Hampshire (and he has lots of catching up to do)....his chances will diminish significantly if not die altogether.
I'm really perpexled by his non-strategic galavanting to such states. Anyone else have a different take on this?
UtahApocalypse
10-06-2007, 09:52 PM
Ron Paul took 2nd place in the Utah State GOP Convention Straw Poll. This was 100% due to the hard work of the supporters here. Yes, he should be spending time in the big states but his support is everywhere. If he wins even small states that will say something.
FrankRep
10-06-2007, 09:54 PM
His official campaigning people knew what they are doing. They have their reasons.
richard1984
10-06-2007, 09:56 PM
RP seems to spend an inordinate amount of time in places like Utah, Washington State, Tennessee etc.
Shouldn't he be "living" in Iowa and New Hampshire? Romney and Rudy have spent far more time in NH than he has!
70% of his fundraising comes from the Internet...so it's not like these visist to less important states are bringing in any inordinate sums of money. And it surely has to be costing a lot of campaign money to criss this big country from Utah to Tennesse etc.
Early wins in Iowa and NH would do far more to help him nationally than all the visits to places like Tennessee ever could.
Let's face it, if he doesn't win New Hampshire (and he has lots of catching up to do)....his chances will diminish significantly if not die altogether.
I'm really perpexled by his non-strategic galavanting to such states. Anyone else have a different take on this?
Perhaps it's related to money and fundraising?
cjhowe
10-06-2007, 09:57 PM
*cough*money*cough**cough*
*cough*publicity*cough**cough*
Matt Collins
10-06-2007, 09:58 PM
1575 was the official door count in Nashville.
That makes Nashville the BIGGEST RON PAUL RALLY EVER!!!
(right in Fred's backyard too!)
Ron Paul took 2nd place in the Utah State GOP Convention Straw Poll. This was 100% due to the hard work of the supporters here. Yes, he should be spending time in the big states but his support is everywhere. If he wins even small states that will say something.
all states are ultimately important...no disrespect to Utah!
But first things first...unless he carries NH...he'll be going into Super Tuesday perceived as the "he cant win" candidate and then be wiped out..
You win NH by going to the diners and shaking tons of hands..he needs to get up there
*cough*money*cough**cough*
*cough*publicity*cough**cough*
his money comes from mainly from online...and he can have fundraisers all throughout New England just as easily as he could in TN...
as for "publicity"..TN publicity does nothing for NH..
I'm telling you...if he loses a libertarian leaning NH we are in deep shit...it's Romney's backyard and it aint gonna be easy
ronpaulyourmom
10-06-2007, 10:03 PM
I would also argue that getting higher poll numbers in IA/NH is worth more publicity money than some of this fundraising.
I think they're thinking right now is that the race is super fluid and that it's going to stay that way. I think they want to have enough cash in the bank to be able to make a surge in November / December. This is all the more reason for us to really pour our money into October.
I know we've had some good media days, but the major battle is still getting Ron Paul legitimacy. The more money we can get into his pocket right now, the sooner he can dig deep into these early states and boost his poll numbers.
Corydoras
10-06-2007, 10:04 PM
he can have fundraisers all throughout New England just as easily as he could in TN...
But in absolute numbers, there are simply a lot more Republicans in TN than concentrated anywhere in New England, and that means more money.
LibertyEagle
10-06-2007, 10:19 PM
RP seems to spend an inordinate amount of time in places like Utah, Washington State, Tennessee etc.
I also want him to go to New Hampshire, but he spent like what, 1 day in Utah and the same in Tennessee? In both of those states he also had fundraisers on the same day as the rally. As far as his sweep through California and Washington state goes, he raked in over 1/2 a million dollars from that trip and it was the end of the quarter. Very understandable.
austin356
10-06-2007, 10:23 PM
The pundits and public wrongly put more emphasis on national polling than NH polling.
What he is doing is quite common sense:
Run a debt free, very very little expenditure campaign.
This builds up the war chest.
He moves to Iowa and NH during December after his warchest is built,
Then the spends that money on paid media while he is grassrooting it in Iowa and NH.
This gives him the benefit of having both a high cost media campaign (Romney style) and combines it with a boots on the ground grassroots campaign.
specsaregood
10-06-2007, 10:29 PM
The pundits and public wrongly put more emphasis on national polling than NH polling.
What he is doing is quite common sense:
Run a debt free, very very little expenditure campaign.
This builds up the war chest.
He moves to Iowa and NH during December after his warchest is built,
Then the spends that money on paid media while he is grassrooting it in Iowa and NH.
This gives him the benefit of having both a high cost media campaign (Romney style) and combines it with a boots on the ground grassroots campaign.
Bingo. And at the same time it increases his support all across the nation. This is a national campaign. He is increasing his support ALL across the U.S. His is not limited to a few select states.
Hey Max, what are you guys doing up in northern NJ? Us southern NJ people are tearing it up down here. We are committed to stealing NJ from Rudy. The reaction from people today in a Republican-dominated town was AWESOME.
USPatriot36
10-06-2007, 10:40 PM
It actually makes since to visit the other states now and then closer to the election spend a ton of time in New Hampshire.
Bingo. And at the same time it increases his support all across the nation. This is a national campaign. He is increasing his support ALL across the U.S. His is not limited to a few select states.
Hey Max, what are you guys doing up in northern NJ? Us southern NJ people are tearing it up down here. We are committed to stealing NJ from Rudy. The reaction from people today in a Republican-dominated town was AWESOME.
we have north nj overpasses covered with revolution banners...we also ran 35,000 founding fathers flyer inserts in bergen record...
we also handed out 1000 flyers of rudy in drag..lol
as u know, south jersey folks are different than we up north...this is ny culture and 9-11 happened just miles away...rudy is still #1...but we're working on it..
specsaregood
10-06-2007, 10:52 PM
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austin356
10-06-2007, 10:52 PM
we have north nj overpasses covered with revolution banners...we also ran 35,000 founding fathers flyer inserts in bergen record...
we also handed out 1000 flyers of rudy in drag..lol
as u know, south jersey folks are different than we up north...this is ny culture and 9-11 happened just miles away...rudy is still #1...but we're working on it..
Not to mean any offense but you guys have the toughest job in the nation. NJ is the most statist state in the nation.
Converting SF people to Paul has to be much easier than converting NJ people!
amakris
10-06-2007, 10:53 PM
1575 was the official door count in Nashville.
That makes Nashville the BIGGEST RON PAUL RALLY EVER!!!
(right in Fred's backyard too!)
That Nashville video is a stunner! And here I thought I was going to have to break 1,100 in Ann Arbor. You've upped the bar, Nashville. We'll do are darnest to break that on Tuesday night.
But in the meantime, major Kudos to Nashville!
FreedomLover
10-06-2007, 10:54 PM
Let's face it, if he doesn't win New Hampshire (and he has lots of catching up to do)....his chances will diminish significantly if not die altogether.
I'm really perpexled by his non-strategic galavanting to such states. Anyone else have a different take on this?
I think Ron paul is doing more to self himself to the nation by paying attention to many states then to play the romney game of pandering to the 3 or 4 starter states and just let the untangible 'big mo' carry him.
Of course, I agree RP should spend some more time in NH, but NH as a must win, do or die, is a little overzealous. I think top 3 finishes are the realistic goals for both states that do a big service to ron paul. If Ron Paul were able to get 2nd in both states after romney, it will be more about RP than romney. At this point most pundits are expecting romney to win iowa and new hampshire, but what they ain't expecting is ron paul to overshoot the guilianis and the thompsons and the mccains, that would be a story that is almost as amazing as coming in first.
First place in NH is very important to us, but we want all states to know about rp. I think Romney's front-loading plan will backfire, because Romney just isn't a popular guy nationally. Just in the states where his face has been on tv and where's he been living for the past year is he 'popular' and even then he doesn't have such an overwhelming lead as he should.
inibo
10-06-2007, 11:21 PM
Not to mean any offense but you guys have the toughest job in the nation. NJ is the most statist state in the nation.
You've never been to Maryland, have you?
MGreen
10-06-2007, 11:37 PM
Why does he spend so much time in DC? I mean, COME ON!
Seriously though, he still has three months. I'm sure that, come November, he'll be spending a lot of his time in NH. As has been said, the campaign people know what they're doing.
Sematary
10-06-2007, 11:42 PM
1575 was the official door count in Nashville.
That makes Nashville the BIGGEST RON PAUL RALLY EVER!!!
(right in Fred's backyard too!)
Nothing (NOTHING) will top Philadelphia. :D
davidhperry
10-07-2007, 12:13 AM
Nothing (NOTHING) will top Philadelphia.
You have to top Nashville first though - else you owe me a case of (good) beer. If you kick our butts, the beer is on me. :)
DrNoZone
10-07-2007, 10:00 AM
RP seems to spend an inordinate amount of time in places like Utah, Washington State, Tennessee etc.
Shouldn't he be "living" in Iowa and New Hampshire? Romney and Rudy have spent far more time in NH than he has!
70% of his fundraising comes from the Internet...so it's not like these visist to less important states are bringing in any inordinate sums of money. And it surely has to be costing a lot of campaign money to criss this big country from Utah to Tennesse etc.
Are you kidding me? When he was in SLC (speaking to over 1,000 people I might add), Lew Moore said they had raised over $350k in their western states visits in the week prior to his visit in SLC. That's SERIOUS cash.
Utah is also predominantly Republican in voting, so spending time here isn't a bad idea at all.
paulitics
10-07-2007, 10:10 AM
his money comes from mainly from online...and he can have fundraisers all throughout New England just as easily as he could in TN...
as for "publicity"..TN publicity does nothing for NH..
I'm telling you...if he loses a libertarian leaning NH we are in deep shit...it's Romney's backyard and it aint gonna be easy
I agree 100%. It is what it is. I'm getting kind of worried that the strategy is the same as the Iowa straw poll, wait until 2 weeks before. This comes from us ( not including you Max) and the campaign itself. If you are not a media darling (Rudy, hillary) you have to devote as much time, energy, and money as possible in the first few states to have any chance. it should be 90%/10%. But until the majority of us are on board with this and demand a change in direction, nothing will happen
Even Romney, who has much more publicity than us, understands that he is NOT Giuliani, and has to use this strategy.
I agree 100%. It is what it is. I'm getting kind of worried that the strategy is the same as the Iowa straw poll, wait until 2 weeks before. This comes from us ( not including you Max) and the campaign itself. If you are not a media darling (Rudy, hillary) you have to devote as much time, energy, and money as possible in the first few states to have any chance. it should be 90%/10%. But until the majority of us are on board with this and demand a change in direction, nothing will happen
Even Romney, who has much more publicity than us, understands that he is NOT Giuliani, and has to use this strategy.
That Anita Andrews chick never even went to New Hampshire from what I understand. She just wasted time and money in places like unwinnable NY and delegate rich Alabama?
Glad she's gone. Just a waste of money she was in my opinon.
Here in NJ, people in my own Meetup give me grief over my obsession with NH. I still do NJ stuff, but my main focus is NH.
Matt Collins
10-07-2007, 11:24 AM
Nothing (NOTHING) will top Philadelphia. :DI doubt you'll be able to top 2000 in Philly. Prove me wrong...
Ozwest
10-07-2007, 11:48 AM
I doubt you'll be able to top 2000 in Philly. Prove me wrong...
If the weather is good, the outdoor venue combined with good guest speakers and hopefully some rock/ blues/country music will make for a happening experience. Plus Ron Paul being in a city that is a bellwether for freedom and liberty will inspire many to make the journey... A concentrated population within easy driving distance and a large community of students will also help swell the numbers. Minimum 4000, but the skys the limit.
Chrispy
10-07-2007, 11:55 AM
Here is my take on this.
Iowa and NH are both early primary states and lots of people vote in the primaries. Ron Paul support is pretty evenly spread across the country. I think he has a better chance in the states that aren't as political (less primary turnout) because ALL his supporters in that state will vote for him in the primaries (or a much higher % than the other candidates supporters). I think this is something the other candidates might not grasp.
So for all we know the big win could manifest itself on Feb 5th
ValidusCustodiae
10-07-2007, 12:40 PM
He's not running for president of Iowa or governor of New Hampshire. He's running for President of These United States.
Karsten
10-07-2007, 12:47 PM
Maybe Ron Paul is the Howard Dean of 2008. After all, he seems to be adopting Dean's "50-state strategy". :D
winston_blade
10-07-2007, 01:03 PM
On second thought, RP could lose all the states up to Super Tuesday and still win. His support is throughout the country, while Rudy McRomneyson is popular in the early states, or nowhere at all. I have yet to meet a real-life Rudy supporter here in Indiana.
You can underestimate the importance of fundraisers. If he can head over to a rally and have a vip dinner/luncheon or both and rake in 50K each event, that's pretty important.
You can get some big chunks of money when holding those fundraisers. I spoke to someone with some inside knowledge and they said the name of the game is money. At the end of the day, money wins these races, and Ron Paul is in this to win.
He's not getting corporate money, so VIP fundraisers are the only way to go. If he can bring in several hundred thousand by stopping in a couple cities that are not "early primaries" he has to do it to bring in the cash.
Our online support and grassroots support is still important, but he can't ignore fund raising, they have to do it to compete.
Ron Paul Fan
10-07-2007, 11:29 PM
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071008/FRONTPAGE/710080330
I have solved the case! This article posted in the News about the Campaign forum tells us why Dr. Paul is going to so many states- He doesn't want to be perceived as being too lazy! So people are riding him about not going to enough states and people are riding him about going to too many states! Make up your minds! Actually, I think it was just an attempt at a joke by Dr. Paul that didn't work.
The real reason he goes to a lot of states is summed up with one word: MONEY! MONEY MONEY MONEY! Since we're currently failing at filling up lady liberty, he needs someone to pick up the slack! Keep donating MONEY! MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
KingTheoden
10-07-2007, 11:37 PM
He has to help broaden the our ranks nationally. Part of that means doing fund raising trips all across the country, part of that means attending high profile events that other candidates will also attend.
I bet that come November, the Granite State will be seeing a lot of Uncle Ron. In the meanwhile, we need to push hard for outreach in terms of man power and capital expansion. There is time yet in this race.
The answers seem to be in this thread already.
RP has to raise money for the big push. He also has to cultivate media exposure nationally, and continue building the grassroots. Over-campaigning in Iowa and NH comes off as desperate, and I truly believe the Romney campaign is approaching the all-in point, where they simply cannot do much more and realize a significant return.
The trick for Paul will be wiping out Huckabee and one of McCain/Giuliani/Romney in NH. Placing top 3 will instantly catapult him in to another level nationally, with the grassroots continuing in the rest of the country.
quickmike
10-08-2007, 12:19 AM
Buchanan won NH in 96 but lost the election right? So whats this "you cant win without NH" nonsense all about?
abstrusezincate
10-08-2007, 12:21 AM
To get the money that the campaign needs, I believe they need to get a larger base of donors than other candidates. That requires reaching out to many places, and that's a good reason to travel. It creates buzz, and then it is up to the grassroots in those places to make things happen.
Yes, the early primaries must be a priority and they are. It is no accident that those states were staffed first, but getting help from elsewhere counts. It is a way to get media coverage, when the national media ignores you, you get on the local news. And, for better or worse, more of your citizens watch the local telecast than the national coverage. It is under the radar, just like this whole grassroots effort has been.
That said, I hope they are spending the time to network with leaders to get support, especially amongst the disaffected Christian conservatives. We need their help to win this, and they need us to prevent Rudy. Together, it can happen, but Ron needs to talk more policy, and less about this ideal America and more about the steps he would take, if elected, to get us there. A policy plan.
Thrice
10-08-2007, 12:26 AM
Not to derail the thread topic, but it did remind me that I have a question: is there any resource that lists Paul's campaigning history? A buddy of mine insists that Paul's been hording his money and not actually campaigning ("sitting at home") and I didn't know if there was a resource out there outside of manually tracing where he's been through the main webpage.
davidhperry
10-08-2007, 12:37 AM
You can get some big chunks of money when holding those fundraisers. I spoke to someone with some inside knowledge and they said the name of the game is money. At the end of the day, money wins these races, and Ron Paul is in this to win.
The name of the game is most certainly money. The whole reason that Ron is still in the race right now is because he pulled in $5M last quarter. If his fundraising had declined like all the others did, he'd already be toast by now.
I worked with Jonathan Bydlak (campaign finance director) to put the Nashville fundraiser and rally together. Raising as much money as quickly as possible is the primary mission right now - it's the lifeblood of the campaign. As important as huge rallies are, they would have never brought Ron to Nashville if we didn't have the fundraising - that is, by far, the utmost priority as this point, and it should be.
Besides not taking special interest money like a lot of other folks, Ron also is at a disadvantage compared with some candidates since he's in Congress. For example, when he uses someone's private plane, he has to pay them fair market value for that because he's a member of congress and you can't comp members of congress with free stuff. On the other hand, someone could loan a plane to Rudy or Mitt for free. So Ron has a lot of reasons to soak up as much cash as he possibly can - we have to keep it rolling.
paulitics
10-08-2007, 07:58 AM
Buchanan won NH in 96 but lost the election right? So whats this "you cant win without NH" nonsense all about?
a dark horse is not guaranteed to win an election by taking NH, but is guaranteed to lose by not taking it.
I think winning NH is a key component, but he must beat expectations in Iowa as well.
Ninja Homer
10-08-2007, 08:17 AM
It's obvious that he's going to these other states for money. He probably committed to these events before he knew that he had $5.1 million. It sure wouldn't help his campaign to back out of them.
I'm sure he'll still travel for big events, but you'll probably see him spending a lot more time in NH and Iowa now.
LibertyEagle
10-08-2007, 08:46 AM
Not to derail the thread topic, but it did remind me that I have a question: is there any resource that lists Paul's campaigning history? A buddy of mine insists that Paul's been hording his money and not actually campaigning ("sitting at home") and I didn't know if there was a resource out there outside of manually tracing where he's been through the main webpage.
That's ridiculous. He's been going all over the place, not to mention ramping up his campaign organization. If you check, you will see that he spent most of what he raised in Q2.
Now, I wish he would do more presentations like what he did with the South Carolina GOP. We need a little less rah rah chanting from the Ron Paul faithful in rallies and more sit down conversations with the GOP. I'd also really like him to have a one-on-one with Dr. Dobson.
That said, I trust the campaign to do what is best.
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