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Liberty Star
02-13-2010, 01:07 PM
It's a war, in wars people get killed. But Obama administration seems to make such a big deal every time few civilians of afghan race get killed by accident.

Obama seems to have tied the hands of US soldiers behind their back after sending them to war, this way it could take decades before the mission is accomplished and they can return home.


NATO says insurgents killed; family says civilians


KABUL — A joint Afghan-NATO force killed several insurgents during a raid on a compound where troops discovered the bodies of two men and two bound and gagged women, NATO said Friday. Family members accused U.S. soldiers of killing innocent civilians.

Afghan officials in Paktia province confirmed Friday they are investigating the deaths of five people in a home near the provincial capital of Gardez.

Police Chief Gen. Azizudin Wardak said the five — two men and three women — were killed Thursday night during a party. One of the men worked for the police, while the second man worked for the attorney general's office, he said.

"Who killed them? We still don't know," he said, adding the investigation is under way.

Civilian deaths during military operation are a hot-button issue in Afghanistan, and U.S. commanders have issued strict orders to limit the use of force when civilians are at risk. President Hamid Karzai has also called on NATO to stop night raids into private homes because they offend Afghan culture and help turn people away from the government and its allies.

The Interior Ministry sent a team Friday to Paktia to investigate the incident, indicating the high level concern over new allegations of civilian casualties.

NATO forces have pledged to "cooperate fully in this joint investigation," said Brig. Gen. Eric Tremblay, spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force.

In a statement, NATO forces said the operation took place Thursday night in the Gardez district after the joint force received reports of militant activity at a compound near the village of Khatabeh.

"Several insurgents engaged the joint force in a fire fight and were killed," the statement said, without saying how many had died. Then "a large number of men, women, and children" exited the compound and were detained by the joint force, it said.

An initial statement said the joint force searching the compound made a "gruesome discovery" — the bodies of three women who had been bound, gagged and killed. The bodies had been hidden in an adjacent room, the statement said.

But a second statement several hours later said the joint force found the bound and gagged bodies of two women and two dead men. There was no explanation for the initial discrepancy.

Eight men have been detained for questioning, NATO forces said, adding that a joint forensic investigation will be conducted.

However, relatives of the dead accused American forces of being responsible for the deaths of all five people when contacted by The Associated Press by phone.

A man who identified himself as Hamidullah said he had been in the home as some 20 people gathered to celebrate the birth of a son when a group of men he described as "U.S. special forces" surrounded the compound.

When one man came out into the courtyard to ask why, Hamidullah said he watched U.S. forces gun him down.

"Daoud was coming out of the house to ask what was going on. And then they shot him," he said.

Then they killed a second man, Hamidullah said. The rest of the group were forced out into the yard, made to kneel and had their hands bound behind their back, he said, breaking off crying without giving any further details.

A deputy provincial council member in Gardez, Shahyesta Jan Ahadi, said news of the operation has inflamed the local community that believes the Americans were responsible for the deaths.

"Last night, the Americans conducted an operation in a house and killed five innocent people, including three women. The people are so angry," he said.


Full news report here:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iwRZOZ9PCE0ZK94CLpZTxIsgh8RwD9DQI3T00

Liberty Star
02-13-2010, 01:18 PM
Other latest news from Afghanistan:


Five NATO troops killed in Afghanistan (Lead)

Published on : Saturday 13 Feb 2010


Kandahar, Feb 13 : Two NATO and three US soldiers were killed in separate attacks Saturday in southern Afghanistan, the same day thousands of US, British and Afghan forces began their biggest-ever operations in the country.

One NATO soldier was killed in a roadside bomb attack in the volatile region, while another died of small arms fire from the suspected Taliban in the same region, the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said in a statement.

The statement did not disclose the nationalities of the deceased, nor did it provide information about the exact location of Saturday's incidents. Most of the foreign soldiers in the region are from the US, Britain, Canada and the Netherlands.

Separately, three US soldiers, also serving under the banner of ISAF forces in the southern region, were killed when a homemade bomb exploded Saturday, a separate NATO military statement said.

NATO did not say if the two troops were taking part in any offensive, but said that the three US service members were not part of the major operations carried out by some 15,000 US-led forces in southern Helmand province.

In the neighbouring province of Helmand, the combined forces of the operation - named Mushtarak, which means "together" - began their highly publicized offensive shortly after midnight Saturday. They have so far killed five insurgents, officials said.

http://www.littleabout.com/news/69474,five-nato-troops-killed-afghanistan-lead.html


Not clear of these 5 insurgents are same as in NATO report above, that residents claim to be civilians attending a party.

erowe1
02-13-2010, 01:20 PM
It's a war, in wars people get killed. But Obama administration seems to make such a big deal every time few civilians of afghan race get killed by accident.

Obama seems to have tied the hands of US soldiers behind their back after sending them to war, this way it could take decades before the mission is accomplished and they can return home.


I can't tell, are you being sarcastic?

If not, then what mission are you talking about that can ever be accomplished?

Lovecraftian4Paul
02-13-2010, 01:21 PM
What is the mission in Afghanistan?

Anti Federalist
02-13-2010, 01:22 PM
I can't tell, are you being sarcastic?

If not, then what mission are you talking about that can ever be accomplished?

Yeah, that.

Liberty Star
02-13-2010, 01:22 PM
Actually I was, that's the argument almost always cited by those who claim that we're carrying out mission of spreading our brand of freedom and equality abroad by bombing and stuff.