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FrankRep
02-11-2010, 12:04 AM
Secession: A Solution to the Washington Debt Threat
http://www.lewrockwell.com/holland/holland13.1.html


Secession Is In the Air (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/sale2.1.1.html)


Lew Rockwell.com
February 9, 2010


I don’t know if you’ve noticed it, but secession is in the air.

First of all, a fellow named Bill Miller has started a new website, SecessionNews.com (http://www.SecessionNews.com/), and it is a Drudge-Report-like compilation of anything connected with secession across the land and around the world. It is an extraordinary endeavor, and it reflects a great deal of talk about, interest in, separatism and independence these days. Miller, a retired computer engineer, has undertaken this, he says, because he has a passionate interest in getting Americans to understand that secession is a legitimate and honorable political strategy. Increasingly, it seems, they’re listening.

A regular contributor to the Miller site is Russell Longcore, who has also started up a new site of his own, the bluntly named DumpDC.com (http://www.DumpDC.com/). Longcore, who seems to have insurance and publishing businesses in Georgia, writes long and vigorously about secession in his fairly regular posts. "Secession," he says, "is on the lips of many Americans today. When they look at a Federal Government that is spinning wildly out of control, state secession begins to have an allure as a remedy. America has gone from a nation of sovereign states with a carefully defined Federal Government to a nation where states are but subservient territories of a rapacious, tyrannical ruling entity that entirely ignores any restrictions on its power." His site figures to do something about that.

Last December another new voice was added to the cause, from something called Attackthesystem.com that considers itself to represent the "radical Left." It argued that secession should be supported because it was the best way to bring down the American empire and all that it stands for, including its support for corporate capitalism, longtime goals of the traditional Left. Vermont liberals of the Sanders persuasion should take a look at it ("Why the Radical Left Should Consider Secession").

In January one notable event, carried by the AP to the lengths of the land, was the launch of the campaign by Dennis Steele and Peter Garritano (and others) for an independent Vermont, but you know all that. You might not have known that another secession campaign, or something very close to it, was launched just before that in Texas, where the Texas Nationalist Movement (http://www.TexasNationalist.com/) ("Independence. In our lifetime") announced its support for the Ron Paul Republican candidate for governor, Debra Medina. She is "in line with the core beliefs of our organization," it said, and she believes that the people of Texas should vote on the issue of independence, a core TNM demand.

(Just as an aside: Libertarians, particularly the smarter Paulists, are important allies for secessionists, since they get to the nullification/secession place with only a few prompts if they’re not already there. Ron himself has said it’s a workable option.)

Also in January the invaluable website TenthAmendmentCenter.com (http://www.TenthAmendmentCenter.com/) began tracking the number of legislatures coming back into session this year and considering bills to reassert their sovereignty and Tenth Amendment rights. By the end of January resolutions were introduced in 11 states (Washington, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Missouri, Mississippi, Kentucky, Illinois, Maryland, and Rhode Island). Last year (also tracked on this site) Tenth Amendment resolutions were introduced in 33 states, passed both houses in five, and were OK’d by the governors in two. The movement looks to be gaining momentum again.

In February that movement held a Tenth Amendment Summit, in Atlanta, assembling state representatives and candidates from across the country for a one-day closed meeting on strategies, and next day hearing presentations from Judge Napolitano, the Fox commentator, and Ray McBerry, a secessionist candidate for Georgia Governor.

Also in February there took place a remarkable conference boldly announced as on "Nullification, Secession, and the Human Scale of Political Order" in Charleston, South Carolina, maybe the first ever large-scale scholarly conference on secession open to the public. It featured many leading secessionist scholars, including Donald Livingston, Thomas DiLorenzo, SVR’s Thomas Naylor, Marshall DeRosa, Kent Brown, and yours truly, and was attended by upwards of 100 people, an impressive turnout, especially considering the admission cost of $2–400.

A national Tea Party Convention was also in February, not exactly a secessionist event but a measure of the underlying discontent that is leading people at least to protest the system (and the debt) they’ve been given and start thinking (some of them) about alternatives.

So what’s going on?

Basically, of course, it is the growing dissatisfaction, in blue states as well as red, and the purple and mauves, too, with a government grown too big, complicated, and corrupt to function. It can’t do health care, swine flue, stimulus payments, carbon limits, education, jobs, corporate bonus control, or airport security. It can send 30,000 soldiers to the sinkhole of Afghanistan, because Congress long ago gave up any role in military policy and the peace movement long ago folded up, but that’s what Presidents always do when they want to seem to be strong. Reagan invades Granada, Bush I Panama and Iraq, Clinton Kosovo, Bush II Iraq and Afghanistan. All for no reason than showing that they can do something in Washington.

But there’s more to it than that. There is a deep and fundamental perception that corporate America – briefly, Wall Street – really is in the saddle and runs the country, and for its own benefit, of course. Very successfully, too, and with complete impunity. It cares nothing for public opinion and has no shame. Now this may always have been true, but there used to be the accepted illusion that the corporations had some interest in making the people happy, or prosperous – "What’s good for General Motors is good for the country." But now that the country owns General Motors they make no pretense that they are interested in spreading the wealth at all. And it is because the public perceives it – unconsciously if not knowingly – that there is the general sense of unease, of anger.

Many of those feeling this unease and anger, of course, don’t know what to do about it other than going to tea parties and shouting at town halls. But it is clear that a great many others are following the inexorable logical train that leads to secessionist thinking: this system is broken and can’t be fixed, party (including third party) politics is part of the problem not the solution, armed rebellion doesn’t have a chance against an apparently ruthless state, and the only way to change things and have a chance of a better world is through peaceful secession – getting out, not getting back. It has, too, the virtue of seeming to be doable – not like revolution or regime change or socialism or any other variant of extreme politics.

It’s not that I have any great faith in the mass of people of this nation using logic, but it just feels as if more people are following this line of thinking these days than… than any time since, say, 1865.


SOURCE:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/sale2.1.1.html

Stary Hickory
02-11-2010, 12:05 AM
Decentralization of power and return of power to the people. I support it fully.

FrankRep
02-11-2010, 12:06 AM
Texas Nationalist Movement News: (http://www.texasnationalist.com/)


New Internet Radio AD Spurs Massive Response (http://www.texasnationalist.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=261:new-internet-radio-ad-spurs-massive-response&catid=938:tnm-news&Itemid=104)

09 February 2010

A new radio advertising campaign by the Texas Nationalist Movement which targets online listeners at some of Texas' biggest radio stations has led to a "massive" response.

"This has been a huge deal for us," TNM president Daniel Miller said of the radio spot, which has aired to listeners on the websites of at least 85 Texas radio stations since Feb. 4. "The company that does this (streams web ads in place of broadcast ads for radio stations) is able to target listeners by their I.P. address, and we've been able to focus on Texas listeners."

The spots have aired on the live webcasts of stations such as KRLD (Dallas), KILT (Houston), KLLL (Lubbock) and others, Miller said.

Radio stations typically stream advertising from outside contractors because their broadcast advertising has a different source of revenue.

"Because we can specifically target stations and listeners, we can also track what kind of impact we're getting, and it has been tremendous," Miller added.

"We've turned new memberships, petition signatures and just thousands of website hits off this," Miller said. "We did this first one as a test, but based on the results, I think we'll be doing a lot more of these in the future."


Click here to hear the Ad:
http://www.texasnationalist.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=261:new-internet-radio-ad-spurs-massive-response&catid=938:tnm-news&Itemid=104

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02-11-2010, 12:36 AM
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InterestedParticipant
02-11-2010, 12:45 AM
Secession: A Solution to the Washington Debt Threat
http://www.lewrockwell.com/holland/holland13.1.html


Secession Is In the Air (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/sale2.1.1.html)


Lew Rockwell.com
February 9, 2010


I don’t know if you’ve noticed it, but secession is in the air.
Why did Lew write this article and provide bread crumbs to these sites? especially the secessionnews and attackthesystem sites, one for the left and one for the right, but both leading to the same synthesis.

Ideas. Thoughts?

tpreitzel
02-11-2010, 03:35 AM
"But it is clear that a great many others are following the inexorable logical train that leads to secessionist thinking: this system is broken and can’t be fixed, party (including third party) politics is part of the problem not the solution, armed rebellion doesn’t have a chance against an apparently ruthless state, and the only way to change things and have a chance of a better world is through peaceful secession – getting out, not getting back. It has, too, the virtue of seeming to be doable – not like revolution or regime change or socialism or any other variant of extreme politics."

I'm been saying something similar for more than a decade. Few like the idea of having to annul this union, but the prospect of continuance grows dimmer by the day, e.g. financial, etc. Oh, some remnant of the old union will probably linger for a considerable time after the initial break-up, but our destiny seems pretty clear as a former republic of unified states.

Kotin
02-11-2010, 03:54 AM
Why did Lew write this article and provide bread crumbs to these sites? especially the secessionnews and attackthesystem sites, one for the left and one for the right, but both leading to the same synthesis.

Ideas. Thoughts?

I am not quite sure.. I would be very interested to hear your opinion on the matter?

libertarian4321
02-11-2010, 04:12 AM
This whole "secession" thing got started last year when Rick Perry made an off hand remark about Texas having the "right to secede" according to it's annexation agreement (he was mistaken, btw).

At that time, Rasmussen did a poll of Texans that found that 75% of Texans was AGAINST secession (only 18% were for it, the rest undecided).

Debra Medina was specifically asked if she supported secession in the Texas Governor's debate, and she said she was NOT in favor of secession.

Good thing she did, because if she had started ranting about secession, she would have lost my support.

I want a fiscally conservative governor, not a bomb throwing radical.

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-11-2010, 05:58 AM
This whole "secession" thing got started last year when Rick Perry made an off hand remark about Texas having the "right to secede" according to it's annexation agreement (he was mistaken, btw).

At that time, Rasmussen did a poll of Texans that found that 75% of Texans was AGAINST secession (only 18% were for it, the rest undecided).

Debra Medina was specifically asked if she supported secession in the Texas Governor's debate, and she said she was NOT in favor of secession.

Good thing she did, because if she had started ranting about secession, she would have lost my support.

I want a fiscally conservative governor, not a bomb throwing radical.

You do know secession is peaceful right? You also know this country was formed via secession, right?

Brooklyn Red Leg
02-11-2010, 06:48 AM
You do know secession is peaceful right? You also know this country was formed via secession, right?

There is also the fact that secession is part of the law of the land since the first Congress under The Constitution adopted The Declaration of Independence as being law.

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-11-2010, 06:50 AM
There is also the fact that secession is part of the law of the land since the first Congress under The Constitution adopted The Declaration of Independence as being law.

I heard the Judge say this, but do you have an actual link to the US Code for this?

Brooklyn Red Leg
02-11-2010, 06:56 AM
I heard the Judge say this, but do you have an actual link to the US Code for this?

Damned if I know, but the Judge was where I heard it. Maybe someone could tweet him and ask?

pacelli
02-11-2010, 07:03 AM
(Just as an aside: Libertarians, particularly the smarter Paulists, are important allies for secessionists, since they get to the nullification/secession place with only a few prompts if they’re not already there. Ron himself has said it’s a workable option.)

Wow, Rockwell is doing a great job employing psychological manipulation tactics here. In this one single "aside" he sets "Paulists" on an intellectual pedestal, while also making an assumptive generalization about their willingness to conclude that secession is a "workable option". I find it interesting that Rockwell uses the phrase, "only a few prompts". Isn't a prompt a form of stimulus? To cap it off, he invokes the old man's name to capture the idolatry lovers.

To quote the most exciting thing I've ever heard Rockwell say, "You got owned". Hah.

payme_rick
02-11-2010, 07:06 AM
This whole "secession" thing got started last year when Rick Perry made an off hand remark about Texas having the "right to secede" according to it's annexation agreement (he was mistaken, btw).



Let's not give Slick too much credit here... "this whole secession thing" has been going on far longer than one year... Perry just made it more of a topic than it previously was...

Stary Hickory
02-11-2010, 07:40 AM
There is also the fact that secession is part of the law of the land since the first Congress under The Constitution adopted The Declaration of Independence as being law.

Well I believe this to be true, but even if the US government tried to use the law in a way to prevent a state from seceding I would laugh in their face. The US government has long ago pissed on the Constitution. For those slime balls to bring it out in an attempt to prevent states from peacefully seceding would add insult to injury.

There is no law that can make moral that people ought to be slaves or subjects of a central authority.

Warrior_of_Freedom
02-11-2010, 07:41 AM
secession is a horrible idea, it will ruin the U.S like it ruined the U.S.S.R

FrankRep
02-11-2010, 07:42 AM
Ron Paul on the Republic of Texas

YouTube - Ron Paul - Republic of Texas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2lmwg4eQ2s)


Ron Paul: Secession Is Not Un-American
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/04/23/ron-paul-secession-is-not-un-american/


Ron Paul on Secession

YouTube - Dr. Paul on Secession (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvliy8rEJDQ)

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-11-2010, 07:43 AM
secession is a horrible idea, it will ruin the U.S like it ruined the U.S.S.R

The Eastern European States are doing much much better on their own. Fail is fail.

I must ask though. In what ways will it ruin the US? We would all be far better off without the leviathan.

BenIsForRon
02-11-2010, 07:45 AM
I am not quite sure.. I would be very interested to hear your opinion on the matter?

You shouldn't be interested. He's just going to pull something out of his as and present it as fact.

FrankRep
02-11-2010, 07:53 AM
Why did Lew write this article and provide bread crumbs to these sites? especially the secessionnews and attackthesystem sites, one for the left and one for the right, but both leading to the same synthesis.

Ideas. Thoughts?

Sounds like the author would like to see a temporary alliance between the "far right" and the "far left" to fight the expanding tyrannical American Empire.

fj45lvr
02-11-2010, 10:32 AM
Secession should be the CHIEF strategy of any real "liberty" movement. It is much easier to free yourself where you live in your local area than the NATION (duh).

Liberation of people from the "central government" in DC will finally create real competition in governance (what is necessary to bring out the BEST with anything: competition)

InterestedParticipant
02-11-2010, 10:39 AM
I am not quite sure.. I would be very interested to hear your opinion on the matter?
My independent opinion is not welcome here, and will ruffle far too many feathers and completely and totally disrupt this thread.

But it has to raise someone's curiosity that both the right and the left are pushing the "secession" vector, and that a libertarian leader is making sure this audience knows about it. Certainly, the surface agenda is not the only agenda at play here, is it?

FrankRep
02-12-2010, 07:30 AM
Patrick J. Buchanan: Secession in the Air

http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan129.html

InterestedParticipant
02-12-2010, 09:50 AM
My independent opinion is not welcome here, and will ruffle far too many feathers and completely and totally disrupt this thread.

But it has to raise someone's curiosity that both the right and the left are pushing the "secession" vector, and that a libertarian leader is making sure this audience knows about it. Certainly, the surface agenda is not the only agenda at play here, is it?
PM me if you want to discuss it.

kahless
02-12-2010, 12:09 PM
I welcome state secession but believe the largest obstacle will not be the federal government but that of an assault from the mainstream media from which the sheeple are led. Foxnews and MSNBC might be polar opposites but would likely lead the assault equally.

In order for any successful liberty movement to succeed we must have favorable representation in the media. Without it the movement is doomed to failure.