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MRoCkEd
02-08-2010, 11:13 AM
Good article from Jane Hamsher at FDL: http://firedoglake.com/2010/02/08/palin-drives-libertarians-out-of-tea-party/


Sarah Palin got a lot of publicity for speaking at the Tea Party convention in Nashville, but I’m not sure she knew where she was because her Sunday morning follow-up hit a sour note note that destroyed whatever support she got from appearing there in the first place:

President Barack Obama won’t be re-elected in 2012 unless he can “toughen up” on national security, according to Sarah Palin. The former Governor of Alaska believes that declaring war on Iran could help the president get re-elected.

“Say he decided to declare war on Iran or decided really to come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do,” Palin told Fox News’ Chris Wallace Sunday. “That changes the dynamics in what we can assume is going to happen between now and three years.”

She might as well have said “let’s burn the constitution and expand the Fed.”

Granted, the tea party messaging can be pretty schizophrenic and has often served as a grab bag of anti-Obama sentiment. But their primary message has always been economic, and they have their roots in the libertarian-leaning, anti-interventionist conservatism of Ron Paul.

Tea party star Allen West, who raised over twice as much in the 4th quarter of 2009 than Democratic incumbent Ron Klein (FL-22), says “We must get away from occupation warfare and nation building.” Rand Paul, who is very likely to win Jim Bunning’s Kentucky Senate seat, would’ve voted against the war in Iraq and wants a constitutional declaration to continue the war in Afghanistan. Adam Kokesh is running as an anti-war candidate against Democratic Rep. Ben Ray Luján in Arizona’s third congressional district (Lujan voted for the war supplemental).

There’s a tension within the conservative movement right now between the more social conservative, neocon wing that Palin represents, and the anti-tax tea party libertarians who have stronger paleo leanings. The latter have an ugly nativist streak, but they are straining to get away from George Bush’s war. It’s gays & God vs. guns.

There was a lot of pushback because of the price of the Palin tickets, and many of the rank-and-file tea party activists see her as a symbol of the establishment GOP’s attempt to co-opt their nascent movement.

Palin evidently thought she could endorse Rand Paul and they’d all throw flowers at her feet. Instead they’re having a melt down over her speech, trying to figure out how to keep the neocons out of future conventions.

Rather than navigating the gulf between the tea party activists and the GOP, Palin drove a wedge between them.

Well, at least she had the good sense not to mention her Bridge to Nowhere. But you have to wonder why they invited her there in the first place.

DamianTV
02-08-2010, 11:34 AM
Palin is just as in the pockets of the CFR as anyone else that had a snowballs chance of winning the election. Palin == Puppet. Wake up and get off the Palin bus!

AParadigmShift
02-08-2010, 11:44 AM
Palin evidently thought she could endorse Rand Paul and they’d all throw flowers at her feet. Instead they’re having a melt down over her speech, trying to figure out how to keep the neocons out of future conventions.

There's no doubt Ms. Palin and her hangers-on thought they'd be welcomed and "greeted as liberators."

FAT. CHANCE. THAT.

:p

Matt Collins
02-08-2010, 11:48 PM
ugh....

Reason
02-09-2010, 02:27 AM
New Southern Avenger Video Covering "Sarah Palin's Bad Tea" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=230454)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=230454 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=230454)

angelatc
02-09-2010, 05:43 AM
New Southern Avenger Video Covering "Sarah Palin's Bad Tea" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=230454)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=230454 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=230454)

Wow, talk about a threadjack...

What did Hamshear mean by a "nativist streak," exactly? And she totally missed that the group with the acronym that stands for Taxed Enough Already has already abandoned that ideology in favor of the tired old, traditional GOP platform.

tron paul
02-09-2010, 01:32 PM
There's no doubt Ms. Palin and her hangers-on thought they'd be welcomed and "greeted as liberators."

FAT. CHANCE. THAT.

:p

Yet we get along famously with far-left progressive Jane Hamsher, enemy of unborn babies, property rights, and guns.

Is authenticity the difference; is Palin fake and Hamsher real?

The Deacon
02-09-2010, 01:36 PM
Maybe Palin will drive Librarians in to the Tea Party since she looks the part of a naughty librarian/secretary.

Brian Defferding
02-09-2010, 04:17 PM
I'm a Libertarian Party member. I think Palin is, while a good capitalist, a terribly stupid politician and I don't agree with many of the things she is for. Plus, I thought the Tea Party movement was over anyway the moment the Republicans joined after Obama's win. Because they weren't there when King George was in power, it made the whole thing seem disingenuous (despite its good and genuine disapproval for excessive government).

angelatc
02-09-2010, 04:26 PM
And, with all due respect, it doesn't really take much to scatter Libertarians. And if you don't think Trayson knows it, you're fooling yourself.

awake
02-09-2010, 04:26 PM
"good capitalist"?

She has been state funded for all of her working life ... Her parents were state funded (one a teacher; the other a school secretary). She understands capitalism like GM understands the free market. Both are government taxpayer funded.

"But the problem with Sarah is that, like so many Americans, she’s never really thought too deeply about the State. In actual fact, her life, rogue or not, is the story of state subsidy, state employment, state redistribution of wealth, state corruption and state centralizing power.

Children of the 60s are the special children of both the warfare state and the welfare state, that scientific bureaucratic corporate state that Ike warned of in 1961 fifty years ago. And Sarah Palin, bless her heart, is devoted to her parents.

Her human parents had careers in the public school system. Dad was a science teacher, and mom a school secretary in Idaho, and in Alaska as well. They believed in public schooling. Sarah and her siblings were schooled by the state, as were and are Sarah’s kids.

It likely never occurred to the Palins to do otherwise" Karen Kwiatkowski (http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski243.html)

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-09-2010, 04:30 PM
Bastiat, was a "good" Laissez-Faire radical. Molinari was a "good" Free-Market Laissez-Fairest. Ludwig von Mises was a "good" Laissez-Fairest. Jean-Baptiste Say was a "good" Laissez-Fairest.

Read these mens work and now look at Palin. In any comparative analysis one can only conclude that Palin is not a Free-Marketeer. Not a Laissez-Fairest. Not a radical. Not a Capitalist. Palin is a Trotskyite-Fascistic war-monger, redistributer, monopolist supporter.

The first question you can ask and will instantly know if the person is a Free-Marketeer or not is:

Do you support the repealment and abolition of the Sherman and Clayton Anti-trust Acts.

Brett
02-09-2010, 04:30 PM
This is why the signs I bring to Tea Parties are about legalizing some sort of drug.

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-09-2010, 04:31 PM
This is why the signs I bring to Tea Parties are about legalizing some sort of drug.

:p I go the Anti-War and Voluntaryist route. Really riles them up. :D

Brett
02-09-2010, 04:54 PM
:p I go the Anti-War and Voluntaryist route. Really riles them up. :D

I'm ready to defend my position when it's about drugs. I know I'm Anti-War but I haven't really investigated the specifics why. The last thing I want is to misrepresent our cause in front of people who already hate it. Otherwise that does sound fun too

awake
02-09-2010, 04:59 PM
War destroys the worlds most precious resource: Human beings who labor which builds wealth upon which civilization rests.

Matt Collins
02-09-2010, 05:04 PM
New Southern Avenger Video Covering "Sarah Palin's Bad Tea" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=230454)

[/URL][url]http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=230454 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=230454)
YouTube - SA@TAC - Sarah Palin's Bad Tea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnDJIFgE0nU&feature=player_embedded)

Brian Defferding
02-09-2010, 05:16 PM
"good capitalist"?

She has been state funded for all of her working life ... Her parents were state funded (one a teacher; the other a school secretary). She understands capitalism like GM understands the free market. Both are government taxpayer funded.

"But the problem with Sarah is that, like so many Americans, she’s never really thought too deeply about the State. In actual fact, her life, rogue or not, is the story of state subsidy, state employment, state redistribution of wealth, state corruption and state centralizing power.

Children of the 60s are the special children of both the warfare state and the welfare state, that scientific bureaucratic corporate state that Ike warned of in 1961 fifty years ago. And Sarah Palin, bless her heart, is devoted to her parents.

Her human parents had careers in the public school system. Dad was a science teacher, and mom a school secretary in Idaho, and in Alaska as well. They believed in public schooling. Sarah and her siblings were schooled by the state, as were and are Sarah’s kids.

It likely never occurred to the Palins to do otherwise" Karen Kwiatkowski (http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski243.html)


Bastiat, was a "good" Laissez-Faire radical. Molinari was a "good" Free-Market Laissez-Fairest. Ludwig von Mises was a "good" Laissez-Fairest. Jean-Baptiste Say was a "good" Laissez-Fairest.

Read these mens work and now look at Palin. In any comparative analysis one can only conclude that Palin is not a Free-Marketeer. Not a Laissez-Fairest. Not a radical. Not a Capitalist. Palin is a Trotskyite-Fascistic war-monger, redistributer, monopolist supporter.

The first question you can ask and will instantly know if the person is a Free-Marketeer or not is:

Do you support the repealment and abolition of the Sherman and Clayton Anti-trust Acts.

You guys are looking at it from a political and economist's point of view, which for all intents and purposes you are correct and that's why I said she is a terrible politician - but I'm talking about how Palin left politics to write a huge money-making book, charge up the nuts for speaking appearances, and become another paid pundit on Fox. Believe you me, she is making lots of money riding off of her newfound fame - something that is very capitalist. That's the reason for me saying she's a good captialist.

But as a politician, she's a corporatist like the rest of them, and I agree with what you guys say.