Have you seen the Democrats new strategy?

[c0unterph0bia]

I'm starting to see this spammed more and more every day. I've seen it on YouTube, and in similar discussions on Democratic hopefuls forums. Apparently there is a core Democratic following that is genuinely going to use this strategy.

This is a copy and paste of one of the many different spam messages . . .
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"We have Two chances to get rid of these Neo-Cons in government. Every Democrat should register Republican IMMEDIATELY, vote for Ron Paul in the GOP primary. Then when the primary gets stolen then vote Democrat in the actual election. Two chances, please don't loose either."

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:eek: I would assume this means one of three things.

1.) If they had to pick a Republican to win, it would be Ron Paul. However they would rather just have a Democrat win in the end - Ron Paul is the backup plan.

2.) The people posting these think that Ron Paul could steal the primary, then basically stand no chance against the Democrats in the election.

3.) The people posting these are avid Ron Paul supporter who are attempting to trick the Democrats.

:confused: What do you guys think?


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For all those wondering why this is my first post I apologize that I have not been an active member :( I have spent most of my time as an avid Ron Paul supporter on YouTube and have neglected these forums as a result. I am in fact a Die-Hard Ron Paul supporter since early July. My YouTube profile can be found here http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=c0unterph0bia I hope to spend more time among you in the coming months :) I will be posting more frequently in the future.
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[FreedomLover]

Not good.

[McDermit]

I vote 2

[steph3n]

It could be a Fred Thompson paid blogger posting this for all we know, the neocons are trying to paint Ron Paul as a liberal.

[Grandson of Liberty]

Fine by me. . .as they say, "Wow, that backfired." :)

[anewvoice]

Sounds like a plant to me. This benefits the other GOP candidates more than the democrats.

[born2drv]

I say we should all get on dailykos or whatever and pretend to be democrats and copy and paste ;)

Hillary Vs. Paul would be no contest... would not even be close..... Paul would win by a landslide.

Paul would get all the republicans, all the libertarians, all the "classical" liberal democrats that favor non-intervention in our lives and abroad, and all the anti-war crowd.

[Johnnybags]

can say its democrats supporting Paul. The dems do not want Paul to run against. The Repubs do not want Paul either,so for this mission they band together to get Republicans to discount Ron. Its an old ploy. Truth is the elitist do not care if its Hillary or Rudy who wins as long as its one of them.

[cujothekitten]

I'm ok with this. If they want to vote for Paul in the primaries then that's good for us, it will then be our job to explain why Paul is the best choice against the democrat.

Ps. it's clearly number 2 and I'm ok with that.

[Kregener]

This is either:

A) brilliant

B) verging on the insane

"A" if it is an undercover Ron Paul supporter.

"B" if it is an actual democrat.

I hope MILLIONS end up following it.

[gornandez@yahoo.com]

i was actually hoping this would happen.... even if they believe they are doing it to ensure a dem win (which if ron cant stop is probly inevitable anyway). once you get ron as nominee debating anyone, more heads are gonna turn to him.
only down side is this dem tactic may alienate hardcore republicans who notice this. but then, could we rely on them to pick ron for themselves? mmm idunno idunno...

[JPFromTally]

Does anybody else find it odd that the originator of this thread only has 1 post?

[apropos]

Hillary will win the democratic nomination. If Ron Paul gets that far, he'll tear her dithering stances apart economically, militarily, and historically.

I only hope that the strategy from the original post is being employed. We'll get the anti-Hillary vote in the general election (which is at least 50% of the country) if nothing else. People do NOT want her running the show.

[LibertyEagle]

I fail to see why this wouldn't be anything but good news for us.

[yongrel]

Does anybody else find it odd that the originator of this thread only has 1 post?

Yeah, that struck me as a wee bit strange too.

*cough*troll*cough*

let's not talk about forum invasions and deceptive posting methods please. Please don't give further credibility to the notion of RP supporters being spammers.

[speciallyblend]

I fail to see why this wouldn't be anything but good news for us.

I Think its great,it can only help us.If the original post is honest great,if they think there hurting us then great,IT ISNT.It only assures more will hear the only message worth hearing the rest are all the same to some degree

RON PAUL 2008

The Liberals are romney/thompson/rudolf/mccain so i find it amusing if they try to pin Ron Paul as one,since he is the only Conservative running for Office

RON PAUL 2008

[RTsquared]

Does anybody else find it odd that the originator of this thread only has 1 post?

That's the reason I didn't reply sooner.

[Chrispy]

The way i see it is that there are enough disillusioned democrats out there that Hillary wouldn't even stand a small chance of winning against Ron Paul. Liberals would jump ship so fast they would have to rename the party to "The Titanticratic Party"

The only thing that would be bad about this is if it somehow was construed to reflect badly on Ron Paul supporters. Hold that, they can win the election for us if they want to.

[erowe1]

This is great! Granted, the Democrats are being foolish, and getting Paul as the GOP nominee will spell their doom. But if their self-destructive plan helps Paul get votes, I'm all for it. We should encourage them in this in every way possible.

Just don't let other Republicans know we like this. It will make it seem like we aren't loyal to the party and turn off true-blue Republicans from supporting Paul, which would do more harm than good.

[speciallyblend]

Does anybody else find it odd that the originator of this thread only has 1 post?

I hear you,but its a good post either way,so he has one post then another:)

[speciallyblend]

This is great! Granted, the Democrats are being foolish, and getting Paul as the GOP nominee will spell their doom. But if their self-destructive plan helps Paul get votes, I'm all for it. We should encourage them in this in every way possible.

Just don't let other Republicans know we like this. It will make it seem like we aren't loyal to the party and turn of true-blue Republicans from supporting Paul, which would do more harm than good.

I think its a great selling [point to be honest.I'm registered Republican and i have only one reason to vote Republican RON PAUL ,or i dont vote republican.I'm the Swing Voter,the republicans should be thankful im even voting Republican,like i said the REPUBLICAN PARTY/GOP is DEAD IN THE WATER WITHOUT RON PAUL.l

This is not a Warning.ITS A PROMISE. I will not vote Republican unless they nominate RON PAUL. The ball is in the GOP court,dont blow it like thay have so far

ITS RON PAUL or the GOP can kiss my familys votes goodbye.

[ronpaulitician]

4) The people posting these believe the news of Democrats voting for Paul in the primaries while planning on voting for the Democrat candidate in the general election will somehow discredit Paul.

Only Paul can discredit Paul, so if some Democrats decide to follow this tactic, great.

[goldstandard]

So more people will hear his message? Great. I don't think there is a big risk that they will change back to the Democrats after they have been exposed to RP.

[Bradley in DC]

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"We have Two chances to get rid of these Neo-Cons in government. Every Democrat should register Republican IMMEDIATELY, vote for Ron Paul in the GOP primary. Then when the primary gets stolen then vote Democrat in the actual election. Two chances, please don't loose either."

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:eek: I would assume this means one of three things.

2.) The people posting these think that Ron Paul could steal the primary, then basically stand no chance against the Democrats in the election.

Obviously number two: Democrats have bad grammer--and we're not going to LOSE. ;)

[Ninja Homer]

I'm guessing that they are saying that they have 2 chances to get a president that isn't a neocon. If Ron Paul wins the GOP primary they won't have a neocon. If a Democrat wins the general election they won't have a neocon.

I think this is a pretty good guess though, because that's what they FUCKING SAID!



"We have Two chances to get rid of these Neo-Cons in government. Every Democrat should register Republican IMMEDIATELY, vote for Ron Paul in the GOP primary. Then when the primary gets stolen then vote Democrat in the actual election. Two chances, please don't loose either."

I think we just need to focus on the primary. After Ron Paul wins the primary, it will be a new battle, though much easier.

I think we need to take every vote we can get. Hillary has a very high negative, about 50%. That means 50% of people do not want Hillary as president. If she dominates in Iowa, there may be a lot of Democrats in other states that switch to Republican and vote for Ron Paul just to beat Hillary.

70% or more people want an end to the war in Iraq.
50% of people don't want Hillary as president.
Ron Paul is more anti-war than Hillary.

It's the perfect storm for Ron Paul. It's just a matter of getting the message out, and with $5 million and a lot of dedicated supporters, we can do it.

[Hook]

It's unfortunate that the Dems don't realize that their top candidates are neocons as well.
(Or I guess Neo-Lib or whatever)

[erowe1]

I think its a great selling [point to be honest.I'm registered Republican and i have only one reason to vote Republican RON PAUL ,or i dont vote republican.I'm the Swing Voter,the republicans should be thankful im even voting Republican,like i said the REPUBLICAN PARTY/GOP is DEAD IN THE WATER WITHOUT RON PAUL.l

This is not a Warning.ITS A PROMISE. I will not vote Republican unless they nominate RON PAUL. The ball is in the GOP court,dont blow it like thay have so far

ITS RON PAUL or the GOP can kiss my familys votes goodbye.

It may be a selling point for you. But we don't need to sell Paul to you right now. We need to sell him to Republican primary voters more than anyone else. And telling them that they should like Ron Paul because he's a draw to people who hate the GOP is not necessarily a good way of doing that.

[MGreen]

It's a surefire plan for the Democrats to lose the election in 2008. Sounds like a genuine Democrat strategy to me. :)

[Richandler]

It's a surefire plan for the Democrats to lose the election in 2008. Sounds like a genuine Democrat strategy to me. :)

Me too! Democrats are clueless about how to win. I think lots of Republican have the same strategy except they re-register Democrat and vote for Hillary so that a Neo-Con will stay incharge.

[Jean]

I think this could be a plant. I have heard lots of Republican party people who are scared the Democrats will cross over and vote Ron Paul so the main stream neocon canidates will lose. Then jump back to the Democrats in the final election. It could be a Democrat scaring the Republicans. Could be a Ron Paul supporter? Who knows?

[orenbus]

who cares why their voting, as long as they help us win :) once we get into the
general election and it's RP vs. Hillary, the bulk of the argument anit-war, Ron Paul
wins that hands down. Also people will see Hillay is just giving us the same old
B.S., RP is speaking truth to power. AND THAT'S COMING FROM A EX-REGISTERED
DEMOCRAT, I CAME OVER FOR ONE REASON TO GET RON PAUL ELECTED AS PRESIDENT!!!

[speciallyblend]

Exactly let republican primary voters know the GOP IS DEAD IN THE WATER unless they nominate RON PAUL,thats a very good selling point,if that doesnt sell them,then i guess they can complain when they elect hillary.The gop doesnt stand a chance against hillary unless it is RON PAUL,if that doesnt sell them,then you need to move on to the next gop person.

[mdh]

Welcome them with open arms into our revolution - many of them may stick around! ;)

[American]

The blowback from this could be good, I dont have a problem with this. Those who are going to vote GOP will vote the party line (who ever they are told to vote for) but this is going after fence sitters or undecided, either way its good for RP IMHO. There are undecided on both sides, so once they hear RP as a real alternative, I am sure the liberals will vote RP. Not everyone wants socialism, and high taxes.

[c0unterph0bia]

Updated the orignal message for all those people calling me a troll :mad:

I feel kind of nubbish for not being active on these forums, but this is the first thing I've felt inclined to post about. I always just prowled the forums, but never made an account until now :rolleyes: . Sorries!

[orp]

Sounds like a plant to me. This benefits the other GOP candidates more than the democrats.

In an effort to dissuade me from voting for Ron Paul rather than one of the establishment approved GOP candidates, a neo-con republican argued that all the democrat anti-war support that Ron Paul now has, his great advantage over other GOP candidates, will simply disappear in the general election. Being anti-war will not benefit Ron Paul in a race against Hillary Clinton. Since his anti-war stance is really not all that great in terms of helping the GOP to victory in 2008, Republican voters should stick with one of the "top-tier" candidates i.e. a neo-con.

The source of this strategy could possibly be establishment GOP. :mad:

Needless to say, if this were to be the case, that strategy will backfire because I think the Democrat anti-war support for Ron Paul is genuine, and, even if not, come the general election, when the vast majority of Americans have a chance to actually hear Ron Paul and understand his message, many of these pseudo "anti-war supporters" will become genuine supporters and vote for him against Hillary.:p :p

[FreedomLover]

I think another interesting point is that if the security situation in iraq actually improves as it has in the past couple weeks, and if ron paul gets the nomination against hillary, then the "just come home" strategy may work much more to our advantage then previously thought.

Being in Iraq during a period of calm may make the quick withdrawal (just come home) seem much more viable to pro-war republicans and will still be a big winner with the 60-70% of the country (along with most of the democrats) who want the troops to come home within the next 12 months. It will make people go, "ok, the troops have been there a while, the surge worked, we can leave now"

The chance of an anti-war republican winning may also spur the iraqis to take more control over their affairs and realize that they must begin to start functioning as if the troops will not be there anymore soon. This I imagine will help increase the rate of political reconciliation and help the government have more legitimacy among the people. The inevitability of the us leaving iraq may also take more of the "umpf" out of the insurgency.


This is really all speculation, we will have to wait a couple months to see if the on-the-ground situation in iraq can be an advantage to us...