North Carolina State Public Education Wants to Eliminate Founding Fathers in History

[Galileo Galilei]

North Carolina State Public Education Wants to Eliminate Founding Fathers in History Classes

Who needs the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence?

From the Foundry, a subsidiary of the Heritage Foundation, Julia Shaw has uncovered another liberal new-age enlightenment process developing in the State of North Carolina. The idea is to start the history teaching period at 1877 so the students can feel—get this—”better connected to the present”:

Forget George Washington, James Madison, Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln—nothing meaningful happened in America before 1877.

That’s the lesson North Carolina public high schools may start teaching. Under proposed changes in their high school history curriculum, the U.S. History course (which seniors take) will cover events from 1877 forward only.

It will be as if the American Founding never happened.

According to Rebecca Garland, the chief academic officer for North Carolina Department of Public Instruction, the goal of this change is to teach what students will feel connected to, “where they see the big idea, where they are able to make connections and draw relationships between parts of our history and the present day.”

Do you get the feeling that 2010 is the year when the liberal socialist establishment is doubling down, (or in Obama’s case, tripling), thinking they just might never reach this crescendo of dementia again before some one puts a “freeze” on their path to never never land?

For you folks who feel inclined to leave an impression or opinion:

Liberalism is a severe mental derangement disorder that leads to a permanent vegetative state.

http://forums.starnewsonline.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7341065438/m/1331038569

[Danke]

1877? WTH?

Marx published the first volume of Das Kapital in 1867!!

[Galileo Galilei]

Biden Calls US Constitution: "Dangerous Roadblock"

by Tom McGregor

Perhaps, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a Democrat, is seeking to be appointed as the Chief-of-Gaffes of the United States of America. In an attempt to explain that the 60-seat threshold for support of legislation in the Senate is supposedly ludicrous, he contends that the U.S. Constitution is "a dangerous new roadblock in the way of American government." He made this shocking comment at a Florida fundraiser on Sunday.

Politico quotes Biden as saying that, "as long as I have served, ... I've never seen, as my uncle once said, the constitution stand on its head as they've done. This is the first ime every single solitary decision has required 60 senators. No democracy has survived needing a super-majority."

Despite the bleak warning, Mr. Biden claims that he's optimistic "the nation will appreciate the White House's achievements, "the American people are very smart, and we'll demonstrate by November that the project is working."

According to Politico, "Biden spoke at the home of Jack and Mona Anatramiam, in outdoor tent. He told some 150 attendees - who donated a minimum of of $1,000 - that the American response to the earthquake in Haiti was overwhelming."

Urging contributors, Biden said, "not only keep them in your prayers, but be as generous as you always have been. If you have the choice between increasing your contribution to us (Democrat Party) or sending it to the Haitian people, send it to the Haitian people. Send it to the Haitian people."

To read the entire article from Politico, link here:

http://radaractive.blogspot.com/2010/02/biden-calls-us-constitution-dangerous.html

[GunnyFreedom]

W....T....F over?

this will be a big campaign point for me, thanks for bringing it up!

[payme_rick]

W....T....F over?

this will be a big campaign point for me, thanks for bringing it up!

GATA... or get after that ass...

[Ricky201]

I thought public education did this already. I've learned more from the liberty movement about our countries founding than anything from the schools.

I thought Benjamin Franklin was a President, I had no idea that Italy was part of World War II, had no idea who John Adams was, and thought Abraham Lincoln was a founding father.

I also got a 3.4 GPA in high school.

[payme_rick]

I thought Benjamin Franklin was a President


Funny...

just told the story last night that while staying in Manhattan spring break '03, a dude lookin' to make some cash shinin' shoes etc... offered a bet: Bet you $10 you can't tell me which president is on the $100 bill...

made the bet... gave him the 10

[Natalie]

Biden Calls US Constitution: "Dangerous Roadblock"

by Tom McGregor

Perhaps, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a Democrat, is seeking to be appointed as the Chief-of-Gaffes of the United States of America. In an attempt to explain that the 60-seat threshold for support of legislation in the Senate is supposedly ludicrous, he contends that the U.S. Constitution is "a dangerous new roadblock in the way of American government." He made this shocking comment at a Florida fundraiser on Sunday.


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Omg! :eek::(

[Galileo Galilei]

I'm shocked that Biden would snub the U.S. Constitution!

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm shocked that Biden would snub the U.S. Constitution!

ROFLMAO! hahaha

I'm surprised it took him this long! ;-)

[InterestedParticipant]

We are witnessing why Elite power grabs have always ended in bloodshed throughout history.

[GunnyFreedom]

we are witnessing why elite power grabs have always ended in bloodshed throughout history.

+1776

[Dianne]

I live in North Carolina. I think they are eliminating this portion of the education, because they don't even recognize the names. NC is so clueless... who the hell was Thomas Jefferson?? but we do know who MacDaddy is... nice work NC

[jmdrake]

I thought public education did this already. I've learned more from the liberty movement about our countries founding than anything from the schools.

I thought Benjamin Franklin was a President, I had no idea that Italy was part of World War II, had no idea who John Adams was, and thought Abraham Lincoln was a founding father.

I also got a 3.4 GPA in high school.

That...is...scary.

When I was a kid there was a cartoon that taught a different story from the revolutionary war each week. I don't remember what the name of it was, but it always started with this ghost coming out of a grandfather clock. Too bad they don't have edutainment like that anymore. :( I was homeschooled 8th grade. We went from Christopher Columbus through Jimmy Carter. (My book didn't go any further than that). H.S. history was easy by comparison.

[BenIsForRon]

Do you have a better source than a forum post? I'm not going to believe this until I see something more definitive.

[GunnyFreedom]

Do you have a better source than a forum post? I'm not going to believe this until I see something more definitive.

Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584758,00.html?mep

Heritage's The Foundry:

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/05/it-will-be-as-if-the-american-founding-never-happened/

Hot Air:

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/02/05/north-carolina-state-public-education-wants-to-eliminate-founding-fathers-in-history-classes/

The Christian Action League:

http://christianactionleague.org/news/high-schoolers-in-n-c-may-get-abbreviated-version-of-u-s-history/

[The Deacon]

At least kids wouldn't learn the wrong Civil War history.

[Galileo Galilei]

Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584758,00.html?mep

Heritage's The Foundry:

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/05/it-will-be-as-if-the-american-founding-never-happened/

Hot Air:

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/02/05/north-carolina-state-public-education-wants-to-eliminate-founding-fathers-in-history-classes/

The Christian Action League:

http://christianactionleague.org/news/high-schoolers-in-n-c-may-get-abbreviated-version-of-u-s-history/

good post.

The original post also links to a source, which in turn links to another source.

[slothman]

I didn't even read the rest after she said "liberal new-age enlightenment process".

She implies all Liberals are bad which isn't true.
What I want to know is how many people who are for this are actually liberal and how many are conservative.

[NYgs23]

Teachers have reached the point where they just hope the students learn something. It hardly matters what just so long as they can say that something sticks. When I did my student teaching, we had to follow a few guideline about what books to teach and so on, and other than that we basically played it by ear. It's not like there is any real system.

And shouldn't the students have learned about the early American history before senior year?

As for Biden, it sounds like he's criticizing the Senate super-majority rule, not the Constitution itself.

[phill4paul]

If American History doesn't include EVERYTHING to the present than they may as well just eliminate it from the curriculum altogether.

Without the Revolutionary War, the founders and the Declaration of Independence their would not even be a sovereign nation called the united States of America!

If the youth of today need to "connect" with anything then it should be the past and specifically this time period.

Phone calls and emails come Monday.:mad:

[Matthew Zak]

It must nauseate liberals to talk about liberty.

[rancher89]

I saw this on face book yesterday--NC has sunk to a new low in education...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584758,00.html


The official quoted in this story defending the new policy is Rebecca Garland. Here is her contact information:

Rebecca Garland, Executive Director
NC State Board of Education Office
6302 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-6302

The elected official you should direct your opinions to is State Superintendent June Atkinson. We all get to vote for (or against) her. Her contact information is:

Office of the State Superintendent
NC Education Building
6301 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-6301
919.807.3430
jatkinson@dpi.state.nc.us

Let 'em have it!:D

[BuddyRey]

This has to be the least libertarian state in the entire southern U.S. I hope we can get Glen elected, or I'm outta here.

[GunnyFreedom]

This has to be the least libertarian state in the entire southern U.S. I hope we can get Glen elected, or I'm outta here.

Believe it or not, it's not as bad as it looks. Well, it is, really, but it is a problem that can actually be overcome pretty quickly once we reach the tipping point.

The problem we have in NC is that we have an overwhelmingly conservative electorate with an overwhelmingly liberal/progressive government, almost entirely because of how all of our districts are gerrymandered. We can overcome that problem, but 2010 has to be the year we do it, on account of redistricting in 2011.

Now, I am the last person on earth to tell folks to vote for a party, and for the first time in my life I am seeing that as a valid strategy, purely on account of the redistricting problem in 2011. If we can redraw the districts fairly in 2011, then we can turn this state around rather quickly. If we cannot, then we may as well head for greener pastures.

The scariest part of this for me, is that it's me that's saying this, but the cold truth is that everything hinges on getting a Republican majority in the State House and Senate in 2010. Even if I DON'T get elected, a GOP majority will redraw the districts and remove most of the Democrat gerrymander. I think the results will be even MORE fair if I have my say on the mater, but that's actually beside the point.

If we do not get a GOP majority, even if I DO get elected, then we will be unable to overcome the Democrat gerrymander, and NC will be a lost cause for at least another 10 years -- and in 2020 we are not likely to have such a strong blowback opportunity as we have right now.

This will be the first time in my life that I advocate voting for a party, seriously. But then again this is also the first time in my life when actually voting for a party will have a significant positive impact on the State for decades to come.

I expect it will also be the only time in my life when doing so is a valid strategy.

But 2010 in North Carolina will be a unique moment in history, when a perfect storm of Democrat blowback aligns with the census and with redistricting in such a way that the mere creation of a partisan majority can change.....everything....for the better, probably for the next 30 years.

So, and it really pains me to say this because it is the opposite of everything I have stood for over my entire life, (but just for this once it happens to be true) in North Carolina come November we need to vote for the Republican. The jackass neocon, the liberal RINO, the establishment stooge, or the Constitutional Conservative. PREFERABLY the Constitutional Conservative, obviously, but if we get the districts redrawn properly -- or at least erase the Dem gerrymander -- then we will have the opportunity in the future to affect REAL CHANGE in the way NC does business.

If we do not erase the Dem gerrymander, then no mater how good we do in 2010, we will simply be spitting in the wind.

This redistricting is a bigger issue than I can describe, and it is perhaps the single most important issue in this election. It only happens once every 10 years, and this will be the first time since reconstruction that we have a chance for someone other than the Dems to control it.

So yeah, it pains me to say it, but just for this one year out of all the years past, or future, we need to vote for the Republican even if he or she is a jackass. :(

If we can create a GOP majority in both houses of the State Assembly, then there is hope for saving NC in the future. If we CANNOT, then there is no hope, and I will be looking to join Free State Wyoming.

[rancher89]

Believe it or not, it's not as bad as it looks. Well, it is, really, but it is a problem that can actually be overcome pretty quickly once we reach the tipping point.

The problem we have in NC is that we have an overwhelmingly conservative electorate with an overwhelmingly liberal/progressive government, almost entirely because of how all of our districts are gerrymandered. We can overcome that problem, but 2010 has to be the year we do it, on account of redistricting in 2011.

Now, I am the last person on earth to tell folks to vote for a party, and for the first time in my life I am seeing that as a valid strategy, purely on account of the redistricting problem in 2011. If we can redraw the districts fairly in 2011, then we can turn this state around rather quickly. If we cannot, then we may as well head for greener pastures.

The scariest part of this for me, is that it's me that's saying this, but the cold truth is that everything hinges on getting a Republican majority in the State House and Senate in 2010. Even if I DON'T get elected, a GOP majority will redraw the districts and remove most of the Democrat gerrymander. I think the results will be even MORE fair if I have my say on the mater, but that's actually beside the point.

If we do not get a GOP majority, even if I DO get elected, then we will be unable to overcome the Democrat gerrymander, and NC will be a lost cause for at least another 10 years -- and in 2020 we are not likely to have such a strong blowback opportunity as we have right now.

This will be the first time in my life that I advocate voting for a party, seriously. But then again this is also the first time in my life when actually voting for a party will have a significant positive impact on the State for decades to come.

I expect it will also be the only time in my life when doing so is a valid strategy.

But 2010 in North Carolina will be a unique moment in history, when a perfect storm of Democrat blowback aligns with the census and with redistricting in such a way that the mere creation of a partisan majority can change.....everything....for the better, probably for the next 30 years.

So, and it really pains me to say this because it is the opposite of everything I have stood for over my entire life, (but just for this once it happens to be true) in North Carolina come November we need to vote for the Republican. The jackass neocon, the liberal RINO, the establishment stooge, or the Constitutional Conservative. PREFERABLY the Constitutional Conservative, obviously, but if we get the districts redrawn properly -- or at least erase the Dem gerrymander -- then we will have the opportunity in the future to affect REAL CHANGE in the way NC does business.

If we do not erase the Dem gerrymander, then no mater how good we do in 2010, we will simply be spitting in the wind.

This redistricting is a bigger issue than I can describe, and it is perhaps the single most important issue in this election. It only happens once every 10 years, and this will be the first time since reconstruction that we have a chance for someone other than the Dems to control it.

So yeah, it pains me to say it, but just for this one year out of all the years past, or future, we need to vote for the Republican even if he or she is a jackass. :(

If we can create a GOP majority in both houses of the State Assembly, then there is hope for saving NC in the future. If we CANNOT, then there is no hope, and I will be looking to join Free State Wyoming.

I cannot stress how important what Gunny is saying here, I've been saying this for months. We must turn the NC legislature around this fall, and unlike Gunny, I think it will take 20 years to recover from the Dem gerrymandering that will happen if they win.

Strong Republican Districts are likely to be carved up and used to create the two new Districts we are expected to gain after the census.

If you want more "Mel Watt" districts, then vote Dem or third party this year in NC, it's as simple as that.

[dgr]

That's the point I've been trying to make with all the independent groups I'm involved with.
If you don't unseat the democrats, you will never have the chance to unseat any republician, let alone elect a 3rd party candidate. The problem is made even more compliciated by the Iron clad control of the NCGOP. They enforce the "eat your own" primary warfare. Any GOP candidate not "blessed" by the NCGOP is the primiary target of the NCGOP, and then tey usually lose the general. I call it " let's all fall in line and march over the cliff together" election strategy.Usually they don't have to really do anything as the non NCGOP candidate has little money to run a campaign. I'm hoping volenteers and word of mouth will overcome that this year.
As to the school book controversy, they planned to get it in under the radar, but the Texas school book story , brought it out in the open, But the deadline for public comment is Feb. 15 even though we are trying to orginize a protest, time is short

[GunnyFreedom]

That's the point I've been trying to make with all the independent groups I'm involved with.
If you don't unseat the democrats, you will never have the chance to unseat any republician, let alone elect a 3rd party candidate. The problem is made even more compliciated by the Iron clad control of the NCGOP. They enforce the "eat your own" primary warfare. Any GOP candidate not "blessed" by the NCGOP is the primiary target of the NCGOP, and then tey usually lose the general. I call it " let's all fall in line and march over the cliff together" election strategy.Usually they don't have to really do anything as the non NCGOP candidate has little money to run a campaign. I'm hoping volenteers and word of mouth will overcome that this year.
As to the school book controversy, they planned to get it in under the radar, but the Texas school book story , brought it out in the open, But the deadline for public comment is Feb. 15 even though we are trying to orginize a protest, time is short

Remember, we came within 12 votes (out of something like 1700) of wresting that "iron clad control" away from the establishment in 2009. In 2011 we need to double our activism and put the right person in the chairmanship. Already a lot of T.F.'s support has eroded on account of the salary and the salaried position that was created in secret and behind closed doors. We will have a lot of momentum going for us in 2011 to put the right people in charge. We just need to double-down on getting everybody to actually ATTEND their conventions next year. No more of this staying home because clipping their toenails is more important. WE CAME WITHIN 12 REAL VOTES of electing C.A. to the chair. We easily had 25 of OUR ppl just stay home because they couldn't be bothered.

[Dianne]

Remember, we came within 12 votes (out of something like 1700) of wresting that "iron clad control" away from the establishment in 2009. In 2011 we need to double our activism and put the right person in the chairmanship. Already a lot of T.F.'s support has eroded on account of the salary and the salaried position that was created in secret and behind closed doors. We will have a lot of momentum going for us in 2011 to put the right people in charge. We just need to double-down on getting everybody to actually ATTEND their conventions next year. No more of this staying home because clipping their toenails is more important. WE CAME WITHIN 12 REAL VOTES of electing C.A. to the chair. We easily had 25 of OUR ppl just stay home because they couldn't be bothered.

Well NC is where I live, so I'm ready to get to work.

[rancher89]

Expect to see more postings in the NC state subforum regarding this year's efforts.

[haaaylee]

YouTube - North Carolina's History Idiocy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Sduf6aRho)


http://www.bluenc.com/nc-dept-public-instruction-history-did-not-begin-1877



Apparently the Department making this decision is taking advice up to Feb 15th. There is a survey here that anyone can take:
http://www.ncpublicschools.org/acre/standards/phase2/


and here is a video with an interview:
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/28861318/american-history-is-history-in-class.htm#q=North+Carolina+School

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

North Carolina State Public Education Wants to Eliminate Founding Fathers in History Classes

Who needs the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence?

From the Foundry, a subsidiary of the Heritage Foundation, Julia Shaw has uncovered another liberal new-age enlightenment process developing in the State of North Carolina. The idea is to start the history teaching period at 1877 so the students can feel—get this—”better connected to the present”:

Forget George Washington, James Madison, Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln—nothing meaningful happened in America before 1877.

That’s the lesson North Carolina public high schools may start teaching. Under proposed changes in their high school history curriculum, the U.S. History course (which seniors take) will cover events from 1877 forward only.

It will be as if the American Founding never happened.

According to Rebecca Garland, the chief academic officer for North Carolina Department of Public Instruction, the goal of this change is to teach what students will feel connected to, “where they see the big idea, where they are able to make connections and draw relationships between parts of our history and the present day.”

Do you get the feeling that 2010 is the year when the liberal socialist establishment is doubling down, (or in Obama’s case, tripling), thinking they just might never reach this crescendo of dementia again before some one puts a “freeze” on their path to never never land?

For you folks who feel inclined to leave an impression or opinion:

Liberalism is a severe mental derangement disorder that leads to a permanent vegetative state.

http://forums.starnewsonline.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7341065438/m/1331038569

If we are to keep our religions to ourselves, then perhaps we should keep our opinons about history to ourselves as well? Besides, don't worry about it. Take away the natural law that our Founding Fathers declared and they become just typical tyrants like the rest. The political point is the self evident and unalienable Truth (from the mouth of God Himself) and not our Founding Fathers. One cannot destroy, overthrow, or in any way alter it.

[The Deacon]

Seriously, if public schools even cover the Founders, they are guaranteed to put them in a horrible light. Probably best if the subject doesn't even come up in a public prison ce...I mean classroom.

[fisharmor]

If we are to keep our religions to ourselves, then perhaps we should keep our opinons about history to ourselves as well?

I'll one-up you and state that we ought to keep our educations to ourselves.
The only consistent libertarian position is elimination of public education.
But I'd settle for a hamstringing in the short term, in the form of vouchers.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I'll one-up you and state that we ought to keep our educations to ourselves.
The only consistent libertarian position is elimination of public education.
But I'd settle for a hamstringing in the short term, in the form of vouchers.

As "public" education taught a child of a slave how to learn by way of Socrates serving him as a mid-wife philosopher (serving teacher), private education during that ancient time trained the children of the ruling class how to take their rightful positions on the throne of power.
Why would you prefer the learning of public institutions over the training of private institutions when the latter is what caused the long lasting dynasties (tyrannies)?

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Seriously, if public schools even cover the Founders, they are guaranteed to put them in a horrible light. Probably best if the subject doesn't even come up in a public prison ce...I mean classroom.

But the Founding Fathers aren't the point, but it was the political conclusion that they signed under penalty of God's judgement as a natural law -- A self evident and unalienable Truth declaring that all human beings -- whether he be a king on the throne owning all things, or a trespassing prostitute owning nothing -- were created equal having within them the same exact business agenda for life. Such a Truth cannot be altered, destroyed, or manipulated in any way, shape, or Form.

[fisharmor]

As "public" education taught a child of a slave how to learn by way of Socrates serving as a mid-wife philosopher (serving teacher) to him, private education during that ancient time trained the children of the ruling class how to take their rightful positions on the throne of power.
Why would you prefer the learning of public institutions over the training of private institutions when the latter is what caused the long lasting dynasties (tyrannies)?

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying.
I do not prefer public institutions to private institutions. I don't like institutions. And I think I have some pretty good reasons.

It sounds like you're arguing that private schooling lead to tyrannies. But the big brick wall we in the liberty movement are up against is the fact that public schools have cemented our own tyranny.

That is the point of the OP: that the tyranny-du-jour is eliminating references to men who fought against tyranny.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying.
I do not prefer public institutions to private institutions. I don't like institutions. And I think I have some pretty good reasons.

It sounds like you're arguing that private schooling lead to tyrannies. But the big brick wall we in the liberty movement are up against is the fact that public schools have cemented our own tyranny.

That is the point of the OP: that the tyranny-du-jour is eliminating references to men who fought against tyranny.

Be at ease. One cannot alter, manipulte, or destroy the self evident and unalienable Truth declared by our Founding Fathers because it is a natural law.