Genocide supporter to be next judge on "American Idol"?

[Liberty Star]

Although he's done some interesting work in pushing the envelope in talk radio and has done a lot to make homosexuality and other sexual freedoms more acceptable in America, but is pro genocide racist like Howard Stern the right person to be a permanent fixture on any show on MSM?
He was allgedly forced off the air after his on air racist remarks advocating genocide of ( Iraqi ) arabs way before Iraq war, is neocon lobby trying to rehabilitate him now?
Incidentally his broadcast with his pro-genocide racist talk seems to have been removed from youtube but it's no secret as many in America have heard it.

[sofia]

Although he's done some interesting work in pushing the envelope in talk radio and has done a lot to make homosexuality and other sexual freedoms more acceptable in America, but is pro genocide racist like Howard Stern the right person to be a permanent fixture on any show on MSM?
He was allgedly forced off the air after his on air racist remarks advocating genocide of ( Iraqi ) arabs way before Iraq war, is neocon lobby trying to rehabilitate him now?
Incidentally his broadcast with his pro-genocide racist talk seems to have been removed from youtube but it's no secret as many in America have heard it.

sexual freedoms?

u mean people were not allowed to procreate before degenerate perverts like Stern came along?

so called "sexual fredoms" have done more to ruin this nation than all the socialist and foreign warfare policies combined.

the traditonal family unit is disintegrating because of easy sex, easy dovorce, an epidemic of adultery, and 40% out-of-wedlock births.

Sex was once a deep bonding thing between a man and a woman for a lifetime. Now its as common and meaningless as a handshake.

The collapse of the family unit will inevitably lead to tyranny cuz a degenerate and dependent people will need the state.

"sexual freedom" = government slavery.....Why do u think the left is all for "sexual freedom" and against economic freedom?

[heavenlyboy34]

From my research, it seems that the modern nuclear family is actually very rare in history. Plural marriage of various sorts are much more common. (Look how many wives Abrahm/Abraham allegedly had! :eek:) Prostitution has also always been around-it's the world's oldest career.

What strikes me as unique and destructive in American marriage is the extent that the government participates in it. :( The leading cause cited for divorce (last I checked) was financial disagreements. So your argument about sexual freedom being more destructive than the warfare/welfare State seem to fail.


sexual freedoms?

u mean people were not allowed to procreate before degenerate perverts like Stern came along?

so called "sexual fredoms" have done more to ruin this nation than all the socialist and foreign warfare policies combined.

the traditonal family unit is disintegrating because of easy sex, easy dovorce, an epidemic of adultery, and 40% out-of-wedlock births.

Sex was once a deep bonding thing between a man and a woman for a lifetime. Now its as common and meaningless as a handshake.

The collapse of the family unit will inevitably lead to tyranny cuz a degenerate and dependent people will need the state.

"sexual freedom" = government slavery.....Why do u think the left is all for "sexual freedom" and against economic freedom?

[Freedom 4 all]

Although he's done some interesting work in pushing the envelope in talk radio and has done a lot to make homosexuality and other sexual freedoms more acceptable in America, but is pro genocide racist like Howard Stern the right person to be a permanent fixture on any show on MSM?
He was allgedly forced off the air after his on air racist remarks advocating genocide of ( Iraqi ) arabs way before Iraq war, is neocon lobby trying to rehabilitate him now?
Incidentally his broadcast with his pro-genocide racist talk seems to have been removed from youtube but it's no secret as many in America have heard it.

Who are we talking about?

[Liberty Star]

sofia, I'm not a Stern fan , especially since his sick views came out. But there is no denying that he's done more than anyone else in US media in trying to make sexual perversions more like a "norm" or acceptable among younger Americans. Like which other radio/TV host would have Carmen Electra sit on a dildo machine and dare her on invoking her marriage to Rodman?
He couldn't do stuff like this in Iraq before its liberation or even today. I can understand why he used to have a following because of his tendency to push the limits. But after hearing his shameless war mongering against people of other races, he's a sick freak of nature in my book who has no place in US media.

[RJT]

Although he's done some interesting work in pushing the envelope in talk radio and has done a lot to make homosexuality and other sexual freedoms more acceptable in America, but is pro genocide racist like Howard Stern the right person to be a permanent fixture on any show on MSM?
He was allgedly forced off the air after his on air racist remarks advocating genocide of ( Iraqi ) arabs way before Iraq war, is neocon lobby trying to rehabilitate him now?
Incidentally his broadcast with his pro-genocide racist talk seems to have been removed from youtube but it's no secret as many in America have heard it.

Just to correct you on a few things:

He wasn't forced off the air because of any remarks about Iraq; he was pushed off of a few Clear Channel stations after an interview with a boyfriend of Paris Hilton. Clear Channel - and since this was right after the Janet Jackson Super Bowl - wanted to make an example of him as to avoid FCC punishment. That happened in early 2004, obviously not "before" the Iraq war. These incidents continued as the FCC was granted more power, and he moved on to satellite radio.

Btw, he hates YouTube and always attempts to have his material removed from it; I doubt what you're referring to was removed because of its actual content.

PS: he turned against the Iraq war and spoke just last month about how he hates Obama escalating the war in Afghanistan, too. He also had very kind words to say about Ron Paul, particularly his foreign policies, when he was running.

Carry on.

[The Patriot]

sexual freedoms?

u mean people were not allowed to procreate before degenerate perverts like Stern came along?

so called "sexual fredoms" have done more to ruin this nation than all the socialist and foreign warfare policies combined.

the traditonal family unit is disintegrating because of easy sex, easy dovorce, an epidemic of adultery, and 40% out-of-wedlock births.

Sex was once a deep bonding thing between a man and a woman for a lifetime. Now its as common and meaningless as a handshake.

The collapse of the family unit will inevitably lead to tyranny cuz a degenerate and dependent people will need the state.

"sexual freedom" = government slavery.....Why do u think the left is all for "sexual freedom" and against economic freedom?

What are you talking about? You are a nutjob. What do you suggest we do, ban sodomy and divorce? Your chain of events makes no sense, the state doesn't become the parent and become tyrannical when people are allowed to have free relationships and have privacy in their bedrooms. Tyranny is when the state forces people to stay in relationships(often times abusive and void of love) and when people can't express themselves freely.

And that divorce rate statistic is skewed. near 50% of marriages end up in divorce, but that doesn't mean 50% of couples get divorced, it generally means the same dysfunctional people can't stay in marriage. Society isn't going to collapse because gay guys can have sex without being arrested, it will collapse because of high inflation, high taxes, and unsustainable debt.

[Natalie]

Can somebody please post a link where I can hear the supposed "shameless war mongering against people of other races"?

I think Howard Stern is okay. He's kind of a liberal-tarian. Yeah, his show is stupid, but once I heard him do a pretty good interview with Jesse Ventura.

[Liberty Star]

Just to correct you on a few things:

He wasn't forced off the air because of any remarks about Iraq; he was pushed off of a few Clear Channel stations after an interview with a boyfriend of Paris Hilton. Clear Channel - and since this was right after the Janet Jackson Super Bowl - wanted to make an example of him as to avoid FCC punishment. That happened in early 2004, obviously not "before" the Iraq war. These incidents continued as the FCC was granted more power, and he moved on to satellite radio.

Btw, he hates YouTube and always attempts to have his material removed from it; I doubt what you're referring to was removed because of its actual content.

PS: he turned against the Iraq war and spoke just last month about how he hates Obama escalating the war in Afghanistan, too. He also had very kind words to say about Ron Paul, particularly his foreign policies, when he was running.

Carry on.

So did Rahm Emanuel after supporting invasion. He also probably wanted just bombing the place to hell but no reconstruction stuff afterwards.

I had heard he was forced out after same mideastern or muslim executive had taken over said radio network but not certain on that. But his talk had been recorded and publicized enough to create a backlash. He said something to the effect on air that we should bomb arabs ( "towel heads" may be was the term used in that broadcast) and wipe the smiles off their faces and make them cry, not in exact same words.



Who are we talking about?

Howard Stern.

[MelissaWV]

So your family broke up and tyrrany is winning because I tongue-kiss girls and do kinky sexual things? Wow. Your family wasn't really very strongly held-together, it seems :(


sexual freedoms?

u mean people were not allowed to procreate before degenerate perverts like Stern came along?

so called "sexual fredoms" have done more to ruin this nation than all the socialist and foreign warfare policies combined.

the traditonal family unit is disintegrating because of easy sex, easy dovorce, an epidemic of adultery, and 40% out-of-wedlock births.

Sex was once a deep bonding thing between a man and a woman for a lifetime. Now its as common and meaningless as a handshake.

The collapse of the family unit will inevitably lead to tyranny cuz a degenerate and dependent people will need the state.

"sexual freedom" = government slavery.....Why do u think the left is all for "sexual freedom" and against economic freedom?

[RJT]

So did Rahm Emanuel after supporting invasion. They want bombing done apparently bot not the reconstruction stuff afterwaes.

I thought he was forced out after same time mideastern or muslim executive had taken over said radio network but not certain on that. But his talk had been recorded and publicised enough to create a backlash.


Did Rahm Emanual talked about agreeing with Ron Paul on "everything" after one of the GOP debates? How about Afghanistan?

I've listened to Stern for many years, he was NOT forced out because of any Muslim executive. If you could produce anything to prove me wrong on that, I'd welcome it, because I certainly have no recollection of that.

Bottom line: Stern is a radio performer - not a serious political pundit - and he's going to exaggerate. He once spoke of deporting all Scientologists, should you also add that to his awful, genocidal rhetoric? Stern was traumatized by 9/11, and was a hawk for the 2 or so years after that. No question. But he has since changed.

[Liberty Star]

Did Rahm Emanual talked about agreeing with Ron Paul on "everything" after one of the GOP debates? How about Afghanistan?

I've listened to Stern for many years, he was NOT forced out because of any Muslim executive. If you could produce anything to prove me wrong on that, I'd welcome it, because I certainly have no recollection of that.

Bottom line: Stern is a radio performer - not a serious political pundit - and he's going to exaggerate. He once spoke of deporting all Scientologists, should you also add that to his awful, genocidal rhetoric? Stern was traumatized by 9/11, and was a hawk for the 2 or so years after that. No question. But he has since changed.

I didn't say he supported foreign occupations, I said he advocated genocide. He could agree with the Pope or Moses, that doesn't change the fact about what he advocated.

This is what I found in quick google:


Farid Suleman
Farid Suleman has been the chairman and CEO of Citadel Broadcasting since ... In late 2004, Suleman made headlines by cutting Howard Stern's radio show from ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farid_Suleman


Following your line of argumentation, would it be defensible if a Palestinian "traumatized" by Israeli bombing of his home or family advocated bombing of jews?

[RJT]

Although he's done some interesting work in pushing the envelope in talk radio and has done a lot to make homosexuality and other sexual freedoms more acceptable in America, but is pro genocide racist like Howard Stern the right person to be a permanent fixture on any show on MSM?
He was allgedly forced off the air after his on air racist remarks advocating genocide of ( Iraqi ) arabs way before Iraq war, is neocon lobby trying to rehabilitate him now?
Incidentally his broadcast with his pro-genocide racist talk seems to have been removed from youtube but it's no secret as many in America have heard it.


I didn't say he supported foreign occupations, I said he advocated genocide.

This is what I found in quick google:

As I said, he was removed from a lot of stations, starting right after the Janet Jackson Super Bowl, and it had nothing to do with comments about Iraq.

"In late 2004," he had long since turned against the Iraq war (or do you think they finally got around to punishing him for comments in 2002/03?), but FCC fines were getting bigger and bigger and stations were feeling the heat. He had also signed with Sirius in September 2004, and some stations didn't want him promoting that on their air.

To the issue of "advocating genocide" - you obviously aren't a listener of his and you're taking his comments a bit too seriously. That's understandable, but I'm telling you as someone who has listened to him for many a year, he's not a supporter of genocide. He exaggerates, says outrageous things, and is an entertainer. That's all.

[Flash]

Howard Stern actually praised Ron Paul in.. 08 I think. I think the audio might still be on youtube.

My one big complaint against Howard Stern is what he said about John Mackey:

YouTube - Howard Stern on John Mackey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RKmtsN6uW0)

[Liberty Star]

RJT, I don't think "9/11" is an enetertainig subject even though him and his sidekicks were laughing early on when two planes hit WTC.

I have listened to him for more than few years and used to be a bit of fan early on, you shouldn't assume I'm not aware of his style and antics. What he said was no joke.

[RJT]

RJT, I don't think "9/11" is an enetertainig subject even though him and his sidekicks were laughing early on when two planes hit WTC.

I have listened to him for more than few years and used to be a bit of fan early on, you shouldn't assume I'm not aware of his style and antics. What he said was no joke.

Well, you started off by saying he was punished for comments about Iraq; he wasn't. You talk about him being a "neocon" and like Rahm Emanual; he isn't. So my assumption was well placed.

If you want to take seriously his comments - in the context of his overreaction to 9/11 and performing on the radio w/ the biggest reputation of saying wild things - and truly believe that he, at his core, wants to murder millions of people, then fine.

We're not going to agree.

[paulitics]

As I said, he was removed from a lot of stations, starting right after the Janet Jackson Super Bowl, and it had nothing to do with comments about Iraq.

"In late 2004," he had long since turned against the Iraq war (or do you think they finally got around to punishing him for comments in 2002/03?), but FCC fines were getting bigger and bigger and stations were feeling the heat. He had also signed with Sirius in September 2004, and some stations didn't want him promoting that on their air.

To the issue of "advocating genocide" - you obviously aren't a listener of his and you're taking his comments a bit too seriously. That's understandable, but I'm telling you as someone who has listened to him for many a year, he's not a supporter of genocide. He exaggerates, says outrageous things, and is an entertainer. That's all.

That is how I remember it. And actually, almost everyday he would talk about having to worry about his job security for coming out against the Iraq War and the Bush administration.

He was very Anti Bush around 2004 and spoke out against the war. The closest thing I recall of him being a genocide supporter was the day of 911, asking the question of "when are we going to blow up these towel heads?" I used to listen to him almost everyday back when he was funny.

[Liberty Star]

Well, you started off by saying he was punished for comments about Iraq; he wasn't. You talk about him being a "neocon" and like Rahm Emanual; he isn't. So my assumption was well placed.

If you want to take seriously his comments - in the context of his overreaction to 9/11 and performing on the radio w/ the biggest reputation of saying wild things - and truly believe that he, at his core, wants to murder millions of people, then fine.

We're not going to agree.

If a radiohost of Palestinain descent on air on a US radio network called for indiscriminate bombing/killing of the jews, you would defend such views in the same way you are defending HS's views on air?

"Overreaction" in the form of genocide or terrorism advocacy is never kosher. We don't have to agree, but we have to be clear about our stance on immorality of such advocacy.

[RJT]

If a radiohost of Palestinain descent on a US radio network called for indiscriminate bombing/killing of the jews, you would defend such views in the same way you are defending HS's views on air?

You mean, in the context soon after an attack by Jews that killed 3,000 people a few miles away? And that same radio host - not a political pundit or news host - said similar things? Would I agree with it? Of course not, but I'd "get" the overreaction, especially if the radio host is paid to be outrageous in the first place.

Howard Stern isn't Rush Limbaugh - I don't know of anyone who goes to him for his political views, and the views he does give are always exaggerated because that is his persona. You're getting too worked up over the comments of a "shock jock" made after 3k people were killed a few miles from where he worked. Please, try to put it into context.

I noticed your signature, your bringing up of Rahm Emanuel, and now this. I get it.

New topic.

[Liberty Star]

Looking at your tolerence for violent racism and advocacy of mass murder of innocent by a media personality, I wish I could say I get it, but I don't. His conduct on air was real vulgarity, way beyond the usual dildo stuff he does to make his living and put food on his children.

[Working Poor]

sexual freedoms?

u mean people were not allowed to procreate before degenerate perverts like Stern came along?

so called "sexual fredoms" have done more to ruin this nation than all the socialist and foreign warfare policies combined.

the traditonal family unit is disintegrating because of easy sex, easy dovorce, an epidemic of adultery, and 40% out-of-wedlock births.

Sex was once a deep bonding thing between a man and a woman for a lifetime. Now its as common and meaningless as a handshake.

The collapse of the family unit will inevitably lead to tyranny cuz a degenerate and dependent people will need the state.

"sexual freedom" = government slavery.....Why do u think the left is all for "sexual freedom" and against economic freedom?

Sofia-

I agree 100% with you on this. Which is why I write so much about this. Break down the family structure and who will be the family? The most logical answer seems to be government.

So many children are being raised by only one parent or are in foster care because their birth families are incapable of caring for them it is no wonder there is so much imbalance going on with children. I am amazed that so many parents just put their kids on birth control with out a second thought because according to them they cannot control what their children do. I wonder why they can't control them it just makes me ill to think about it.
I think it so sad that sex for some people is reduced to even less than a salutation.

[WaltM]

Although he's done some interesting work in pushing the envelope in talk radio and has done a lot to make homosexuality and other sexual freedoms more acceptable in America, but is pro genocide racist like Howard Stern the right person to be a permanent fixture on any show on MSM?
He was allgedly forced off the air after his on air racist remarks advocating genocide of ( Iraqi ) arabs way before Iraq war, is neocon lobby trying to rehabilitate him now?
Incidentally his broadcast with his pro-genocide racist talk seems to have been removed from youtube but it's no secret as many in America have heard it.

what makes you think you can't one day be convinced genocide is as acceptable as homosexuality is? maybe you're just not open minded, and to those who are OK with Stern & genocide, you're just another orthodox fundamentalist bigot who hates certain people for doing things that never hurt you.

[Liberty Star]

what makes you think you can't one day be convinced genocide is as acceptable as homosexuality is? maybe you're just not open minded, and to those who are OK with Stern & genocide, you're just another orthodox fundamentalist bigot who hates certain people for doing things that never hurt you.

That's a very interesting out of the box thinking. If not being open minded about mass killing of innocent or even small scale violence against innocent is defined as bigotry, I guess I will be a bigot by that definition.

Many a men think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices, and I may be one of those people.

[WaltM]

That's a very interesting out of the box thinking. If not being open minded about mass killing of innocent or even small scale violence against innocent is defined as bigotry, I guess I will be a bigot by that definition.


Thanks for admitting that being a bigot isn't always a bad thing.

I don't get what's the difference between homosexuality, race mixing and genocide, don't they all produce the same results?





Many a men think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices, and I may be one of those people.

cool

[Zippyjuan]

I don't think of genocide when I hear of Howard Stern. I think of a teenage boy who never grew up and all the crazy people he got on his show. I don't listen to Howard (used to catch an occasional moment when he was on terestial stations) or watch American Idol but I don't see the two working out together. This may be the beginning of the end of the show? I can see him voting in favor of all the girls who look like strippers- which will encourage contestants to be more sleazy.

[Liberty Star]

Thanks for admitting that being a bigot isn't always a bad thing.

I don't get what's the difference between homosexuality, race mixing and genocide, don't they all produce the same results?


cool

Anytime.

It seems like my argument in OP has been misread by many, on second thought it should been worded differently. I meant to point to hypocrisy of people like Stern who pretend to be "open minded" but their so called open minded thinking seems to stop at promotion of homosexuality/domestic racial mixing acceptance issues and turns into violent supremacist bigotry when it comes to human rights of people of other races in mideast. They are genocidal bigots in reality and some of the biggest supremacists around.

[Dreamofunity]

Thanks for admitting that being a bigot isn't always a bad thing.

I don't get what's the difference between homosexuality, race mixing and genocide, don't they all produce the same results?

Um, am I reading this correctly? How does homosexuality and race mixing result in mass murder, or is there some other 'result' you're referring to?

[kahless]

As far as the show it is one thing to have show of sexual comedy but in my opinion he has taken it too far with his sponsorship of Ashley Madison. (an online dating service for people who wish to cheat on their partners.) That is really messed up on so many levels.

[TheConstitutionLives]

is neocon lobby trying to rehabilitate him now?



- ummmmm...no. Maybe, just maybe, they want a person who is provocative to be a judge on a talent show b/c they believe he's good for ratings.