Are you serious?

[furface]

Direct quote on one of his videos "what I'd like to see is a foreign policy that's a little more like Ronald Reagan's foreign policy." Ronald Reagan is the modern day author of borrow and spend military madness. Definitely not libertarian. Ronald Reagan was not a libertarian. He ushered in the biggest expansion of government in history. Take a look at all the government spending and debt curves. They all go crazy right around 1980, when Regan was elected.

Until Chuck Devore comes out as Ron Paul has stated that we should disengage from all foreign military conflicts, that we should attempt to understand what's driving terrorism, that we should stop all taxpayer stolen foreign aid, I'm merely going to laugh at Chuck Devore.

I'd also like to see Chuck Devore come out in favor of the elimination of the income tax, something I'm guessing he won't do because he's in favor of big government. He sounds distinctly like Jolly John McCain in his view that the "military can be more efficient." I don't care whether the military is efficient of not. I just want it cut 90% down to where it properly protects our borders and nothing more.

[Free Moral Agent]

Politicians like to sprinkle Ronald Reagan any chance they get, even Ron Paul's campaign did it. I think you're really flying off the cuff just by that single quote. The following was taken from the "Defense Policy" section on this issues page...



While a strong supporter of a robust and modern volunteer military, Chuck has been a consistent skeptic of direct military intervention since the 1980s, preferring instead to encourage those who want freedom and democracy overseas with more indirect methods, if possible. Chuck knows that we neither have enough people or treasure to be a global policeman for decades.

Regarding our current conflicts, we must define and then achieve victory. If we are not prepared to defeat our enemies, then we should not sacrifice our men and women in uniform to a lost cause.

http://www.chuckdevore.com/issues/

[nurse_emily]

I am a little concered how this guy has his own forum and the Campaign for liberty champion "John Dennis" who is running against Pelosi does not......:confused:

[Slutter McGee]

I thought some people would have learned by now that sometimes you have to play politics to win. Guess not.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[Brian4Liberty]

I am a little concered how this guy has his own forum and the Campaign for liberty champion "John Dennis" who is running against Pelosi does not......:confused:

Should this forum be a clearing house for "Liberty" candidates? Maybe, maybe not. There is another group doing that:

http://www.liberty-candidates.org/

To be fair, we could create new sub-forums for each of the following candidates. Experience has taught that endorsing candidates can create some controversies though ;):

Liberty Candidates 2010

* *2010 Candidate Application
* Adam Kokesh
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[Free Moral Agent]

Interestingly, Chuck DeVore is nowhere to be found on that list.

[erowe1]

Interestingly, Chuck DeVore is nowhere to be found on that list.

It's not really a comprehensive list of "liberty" candidates. It's a comprehensive list of candidates who have voluntarily gone through the vetting process of that website's group, which includes filling out a questionnaire, and then deemed "liberty" candidates on that basis.

[Brian4Liberty]

Interestingly, Chuck DeVore is nowhere to be found on that list.

He is on this list. Each list has slightly different criteria, and information on candidates tends to change over time:



http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=211594

Senate Candidates

Joe Kennedy-Massachusetts LOST
Jeff Hostettler-Indiana
Chuck Devore-California
Chris Simcox-Arizona
Curtis Coleman-Arkansas
Jim Rutledge-Maryland
Peg Luksik-Pennsylvania
Peter Schiff-Connecticut
Rand Paul-Kentucky
Tom Alceire-New Hampshire
Anthony Gentile-Louisiana

House Candidates

Dr. Robert Lowery-TX-23rd NEW
Patrick Sellers-PA-6th NEW
Terri McCormick-WI-8th
Mike Firsching-IL-19th
Linda Goldthorpe-MI-1st
Michael McPadden-VA-5th
Valerie Meyers-GA-8th
Rob McNealy-CO-6th
Joe Tegerdine-MS-4th
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Collins Bailey-MD-5th
Casey Anderson-UT-2nd
David Gay-NY-25th
Chick Heileson-ID-2nd
Adam Kokesh-NM-3rd
Bob Parker-MO-8th
David Ryon-OH-15th
David Ratowitz-IL-5th
Earl Sholley-MA-4th
Jake Towne-PA-15th
David W Hedrick-WA-3rd
Rachel Grubb-IN-3rd
Michael Frisbee-GA-13th
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Paul Lambert-AL-6th
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Joe Petronis-TX-10th
JT Goodin-WA-8th
Doug Hutchison-VA-2nd
John Dennis-CA-8th
Mark Reed-CA-27th
Mike Vasovski-SC-3rd
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RJ Harris-OK-4th
Joe McArtor-MD-1st

Governor

Adam Andrzejewski-Illinois
Debra Medina-Texas
Doug Turner-New Mexico
Randy Brogdon-Oklahoma
Ray McBerry-Georgia
Tom Emmer-Minnesota

[furface]

Devore uses all the language of the neocon, like "I support Israel's right to defend itself" without actually coming out and promoting aggressive intervention. I will give him one thing. He clearly doesn't support attacking Iran until Iran "fires one missile at Israel." But only heavy duty maniacs like Sarah Paliln support preemptive attacks on Iran. So Chuck Devore isn't Sarah Palin. Hurray.

http://www.chuckdevore.com/n/news.asp?artid=256&headline=Excerpts:-Chuck-DeVore-wins-the-first-Debate

Sorry, I'm a big fan of speaking the truth. Regardless of the political costs there has to be a penalty for doing things like bringing the interests of a foreign country up in a U.S. Senate campaign. Israel's interests shouldn't even be part of the equation. To bring it up is treasonous, and that's what Devore is doing.

Again, I'll concede that he is more thoughtful about the subject than a lot of other Republicans around. Maybe he shows enough thoughtfulness on the subject to make the right decision when he's in office. I don't know.

However, I say to hell with political reality. Speak the truth. I want a candidate who takes people to task when they start talking about the interests of another country during a U.S. Senate campaign. Break the viscous cycle of the prisoner's dilemma in which we're all forced to lie about foreign policy only because every body does it. The only way to break it is to start speaking the truth.

[johnrocks]

I don't know anything about this guy so I went to his web site, I read his stand on issues and thought "ok, so far ,so good" and then I read that he is a Lincoln Fellow at the Claremont Institute so I went there only to have my eyes start bleeding!

The Claremont Institute's 30th Anniversary Dinner Featuring Dick Cheney - It's On!
Updated March 9—The Claremont Institute is proud to welcome Vice President Dick Cheney as keynote speaker at a dinner in celebration of our 30th Anniversary. It will be held on Saturday evening, March 27, 2010, at the Millennium Biltmore in Los Angeles, California. Vice President Cheney is to be awarded the Claremont Institute's Statesmanship Award.

http://www.claremont.org/

He might be better than the rest that he's running against and if so then I wish him luck however that was a red flag to me, not someone I'd donate to.

[Brian4Liberty]

Devore uses all the language of the neocon, like "I support Israel's right to defend itself" without actually coming out and promoting aggressive intervention. I will give him one thing. He clearly doesn't support attacking Iran until Iran "fires one missile at Israel." But only heavy duty maniacs like Sarah Paliln support preemptive attacks on Iran. So Chuck Devore isn't Sarah Palin. Hurray.

http://www.chuckdevore.com/n/news.asp?artid=256&headline=Excerpts:-Chuck-DeVore-wins-the-first-Debate

Sorry, I'm a big fan of speaking the truth. Regardless of the political costs there has to be a penalty for doing things like bringing the interests of a foreign country up in a U.S. Senate campaign. Israel's interests shouldn't even be part of the equation. To bring it up is treasonous, and that's what Devore is doing.

Again, I'll concede that he is more thoughtful about the subject than a lot of other Republicans around. Maybe he shows enough thoughtfulness on the subject to make the right decision when he's in office. I don't know.

However, I say to hell with political reality. Speak the truth. I want a candidate who takes people to task when they start talking about the interests of another country during a U.S. Senate campaign. Break the viscous cycle of the prisoner's dilemma in which we're all forced to lie about foreign policy only because every body does it. The only way to break it is to start speaking the truth.

Chuck is more thoughtful about it than your average parrot, and often talks about non-interventionist foreign policy. His opponent Carly Fiorina managed to say "Israel" four times in the first ten seconds of that debate, and probably said it 14 times in about 2 minutes. It's hard to tell which country she is running for election in. :rolleyes: