Multiculturalism: Cultural Insanity Run Amok

[FrankRep]

Edit:
For the people who post without reading articles:
The article is criticizing "moral diversity" (aka: moral anarchy) and not "cultural diversity." This article is not about race.



The philosophy of Multiculturalism has been around since the 1970s and it now infects every aspect of American life.


Multiculturalism: Cultural Insanity Run Amok (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/sam-blumenfeld/2843-multiculturalism-cultural-insanity-run-amok)


Sam Blumenfeld | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
28 January 2010


The philosophy of Multiculturalism has been around since the 1970s and it now infects every aspect of American life. Its latest nefarious manifestation is in airport security, where the notion that all ethnic groups are of equal value has made ethnic profiling a no-no. Just because all of the suicide bombers have been Islamic jihadists does not mean that young Moslem men should be singled out for greater scrutiny than anyone else.
That is why everyone who wants to travel by air must be subjected to the same intensive security inspection as a would-be suicide bomber, because it would be unfair to single out Moslems as the only people capable of blowing themselves up in a plane. Under multiculturalism everyone is capable of doing just that.

And that’s why the United States government is willing to waste billions of dollars a year scrutinizing perfectly normal people so that it can maintain its adherence to a preposterous cultural philosophy that only a small academic elite believe in.

In July 1982, the National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) decided that multiculturalism had to become an integral part of teacher training. Its manual states:

“Multicultural education is preparation for the social, political, and economic realities that individuals experience in culturally diverse and complex human encounters…. Multicultural education should include, but would not be limited to experiences which: (1) promote analytical and evaluative abilities to confront issues such as participatory democracy, racism and sexism, and the parity of power; (2) develop skills for values clarification including the study of the manifest and latent transmission of values; (3) examine the dynamics of diverse cultures and the implications for developing teaching strategies; and (4) examine linguistic variations and diverse learning styles for the development of appropriate teaching strategies.”

But what all of that gobbledygook means is that the traditional Judeo-Christian model of American values is no longer valid as the model to be held up to children in the public schools. A multicultural society is made up of many equally valid ideals that could serve as equally valid models for young Americans. No one is required any longer to conform to the once dominant Judeo-Christian cultural ideal.

According to Charles A. Tesconi, dean of the College of Education at the University of Vermont:

“As a descriptor, multiculturalism points to a condition of numerous life-styles, values, and belief systems. By treating diverse cultural groups and ways of life as equally legitimate, and by teaching about them in positive ways, legitimizing differences through various education policies and practices, self-understanding, self-esteem, intergroup understanding and harmony, and equal opportunity are promoted.”

Thus, multicultural education embraces much more than mere cultural pluralism or ethnic diversity. It legitimizes different lifestyles and values systems, thereby legitimizing moral diversity — which is simply moral anarchy. The concept of moral diversity directly contradicts the Biblical concept of moral absolutes based on the Ten Commandments, on which this nation was founded.

How is multicultural education taught? It is not a course which is taught separately from the rest of the subject matter. It is, in reality, a world-view which, in the words of a multicultural specialist at Emporia State University, “must permeate the total educational environment.”

Indeed, according to an associate professor at West Virginia University, multicultural education “must be carefully planned, organized, and integrated into all the subject areas. But most emphatically it must begin when children first enter school.”

The idea that there exists a common value system known as Americanism no longer prevails in American public schools. Yet we know that Americanism does exist and does constitute the basis of American consciousness: the conviction that this nation was created with God’s help and blessings to demonstrate to the world that with the true God all good things are possible, and that without Him we will be consigned to the same tyranny and misery that now afflicts the millions of people who live under paganism, atheism and communism.

During the celebration of the 100th anniversary of the Statue of Liberty that concept of Americanism was expressed over and over again in song and speech in three simple words: God Bless America. Those three words acknowledge the existence, power, and sovereignty of the God of the Bible. They express the essence of Americanism, the peculiar consciousness that makes us different from other peoples. You never hear the President of France, or Germany, or Russia calling for God’s blessings.

While that American consciousness was given to us by our Founding Fathers who, for the most part, were indeed white, Anglo-Saxon Protestants, one does not have to be white, Anglo-Saxon, or even Protestant to accept it. There are many African-Americans, Hispanics, Germans, Armenians, Russians, Catholics, and Jews who accept it.

Becoming an American does not mean aping WASPS. It means accepting the essence of what the Founding Fathers stood for and died for. That essence is founded on Biblical principles which include the concept of moral absolutes. To deprive school children of that knowledge is to rob them of their common American heritage.

Multiculturalism is also an important stepping stone to globalism, that concept of a future world government which the public schools are promoting as aggressively as ever. In an article entitled “Multicultural Education and Global Education: A Possible Merger,” Donna J. Cole of Wittenberg University wrote:

“A multiculturalized global education would address the basic concern of where the individual fits into the mosaic of humanity and where others fit in the same mosaic…. would aid students in understanding that our membership in groups affects our values and attitudes….[It] would assist students in recognizing the need to be flexible and adjustable citizens in a rapidly changing world.”

The National Education Association (NEA), of course, endorses multicultural-global education as “a way of helping every student perceive the cultural diversity of the US citizenry so that children of many races may develop pride in their own cultural legacy, awaken to the ideas embodied in the cultures of their neighbors, and develop an appreciation of the common humanity shared by all people of the earth.”

That was written in 1986 before Islamist jihadists, those fanatic followers of the god of the Koran, declared war on the United States. But apparently that hasn’t changed anything. Note that the NEA recognizes no American culture that the student may take pride in. He is to appreciate the cultures of others, learn about them, at the expense of learning about his own.

The ultimate purpose of multicultural-globalist education is to prepare young Americans to accept as inevitable and desirable a world socialist government in which American national sovereignty will be surrendered for the greater good of “world peace and brotherhood.” Social studies professors have rewritten American history to play down patriotism and national pride. Patriotism leads to an ethnocentric mindset, not conducive to world government.

The only way parents can safeguard their children from such socialist brainwashing is to educate them at home or place them in private schools where traditional subject matter is taught in the traditional way. Patriotism is alive and well in the home-school movement where Biblical principles prevail. And while we must all live in a society where multiculturalism has run amok, the greatest gift parents can give their children is the knowledge that moral sanity is far more important and necessary for our national survival than conforming to secular humanist cultural standards that reject God’s law.



[I]Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld is the author of nine books on education including NEA: Trojan Horse in American Education, The Whole Language/OBE Fraud, and The Victims of Dick & Jane and Other Essays. Of NEA: Trojan Horse in American Education, former U.S. Senator Steve Symms of Idaho said: “Every so often a book is written that can change the thinking of a nation. This book is one of them.” Mr. Blumenfeld’s columns have appeared in such diverse publications as Reason, The New American, The Chalcedon Report, Insight, Education Digest, Vital Speeches, WorldNetDaily, and others.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/sam-blumenfeld/2843-multiculturalism-cultural-insanity-run-amok

[Vessol]

I disagree with this article hotly, however I have class soon and will try to elaborate further later.

Simply put, America was founded on equality for all under the law. Not for a few and for Christians.

The simple fact that it spports racial profiling and wanting to separate us into groups is definitely anti-Liberty.

It brings up why I dislike the John Birch Society once more, they want freedom and equality only for Christians and want a theocratic Republic.

[Lord Xar]

I agree with the article.

My daughter has recently been saying some odd things out of the blue "number is one is bad, number 2 is cool, number 3 is where you can be..." or "there is no best...." and she is being indoctrinated by her education to believe that striving for betterment is a fools gambit etc... and forget about multi-culturalism voodoo... it is exactly, I feel, as the article suggests. There is a reason why most of Europe is being overrun with "different cultures and ideologies". The idea is to dilute the host countries culture, thus reduce its effectiveness...

Balkanization in culture, thoughts and votes - reduce and conquer. Chattal.

[FrankRep]

The simple fact that it spports racial profiling and wanting to separate us into groups is definitely anti-Liberty.

No where in this article does it support racial profiling.
The shows the effects of moral anarchy.


"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
- John Adams


Mission statement of the John Birch Society: (http://www.jbs.org/about)

To bring about less government, more responsibility, and — with God's help — a better world by providing leadership, education, and organized volunteer action in accordance with moral and Constitutional principles.

[RedStripe]

The philosophy of Multiculturalism has been around since the 1970s and it now infects every aspect of American life. Its latest nefarious manifestation is in airport security, where the notion that all ethnic groups are of equal value has made ethnic profiling a no-no.

You know an article is going to be bad when it starts off with a dumb statement like this. The author fails to establish how "the notion that all ethnic groups are of equal value" has "made ethnic profiling a no-no." Is the author insinuating that some ethnic groups have a greater value than others? If yes, he's an embarrassment to his own publication. If no, then he himself proves that such a belief does not necessarily mandate a belief that ethnic profiling is a "no-no," since he clearly thinks it is not. Either way, he's a fucking moron.

The reason that racial, ethnic, and religious profiling is a "no-no" is actually because our common law and criminal justice system has historically frowned on pure percentage-based assessments of potential criminality. I bet the author of this very article had his underpants tied in a knot when Ron Paul bumperstickers etc. were identified as signs of a potential terrorist. Yet the truth is, statistically speaking, people who are Ron Paul supporters or "Super Patriots" are more likely to violently resist the government than your typical sheep. But we were right to be infuriated at the suggestion, as are religious and ethnic minorities who are constantly being profiled by the law enforcement apparatus.

Does the author of this article think that it would be acceptable or even constitutional for the police to use someone's income level, education, or neighborhood of residence as a basis for building a suspicion of criminal intent?



And that’s why the United States government is willing to waste billions of dollars a year scrutinizing perfectly normal people so that it can maintain its adherence to a preposterous cultural philosophy that only a small academic elite believe in.

No, the government is actually spending that money because we are suffering from the blowback that results from a foreign policy that views some ethnicities as anything but equal to others. The author has yet to establish how this "preposterous cultural philosophy" (that all ethnicities are equal? LOL - how PREPOSTEROUS!) is actually connected to airport security screening policies.



In July 1982, the National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) decided that multiculturalism had to become an integral part of teacher training. Its manual states:

“Multicultural education is preparation for the social, political, and economic realities that individuals experience in culturally diverse and complex human encounters…. Multicultural education should include, but would not be limited to experiences which: (1) promote analytical and evaluative abilities to confront issues such as participatory democracy, racism and sexism, and the parity of power; (2) develop skills for values clarification including the study of the manifest and latent transmission of values; (3) examine the dynamics of diverse cultures and the implications for developing teaching strategies; and (4) examine linguistic variations and diverse learning styles for the development of appropriate teaching strategies.”

But what all of that gobbledygook means is that the traditional Judeo-Christian model of American values is no longer valid as the model to be held up to children in the public schools.

Clearly the reason that the author assumes that the reader doesn't understand the NCATE manual excerpt is because the author himself has a severely limited reading comprehension. Or perhaps he just doesn't care what it says and can't wait to insert his own imagined interpretation. Once again, he's a fucking moron either way.



A multicultural society is made up of many equally valid ideals that could serve as equally valid models for young Americans.

Sounds great to me.



No one is required any longer to conform to the once dominant Judeo-Christian cultural ideal.

When were we ever? Oh yea. The Dark Ages. Forgot about that.



According to Charles A. Tesconi, dean of the College of Education at the University of Vermont:

“As a descriptor, multiculturalism points to a condition of numerous life-styles, values, and belief systems. By treating diverse cultural groups and ways of life as equally legitimate, and by teaching about them in positive ways, legitimizing differences through various education policies and practices, self-understanding, self-esteem, intergroup understanding and harmony, and equal opportunity are promoted.”

Thus, multicultural education embraces much more than mere cultural pluralism or ethnic diversity. It legitimizes different lifestyles and values systems, thereby legitimizing moral diversity — which is simply moral anarchy. The concept of moral diversity directly contradicts the Biblical concept of moral absolutes based on the Ten Commandments, on which this nation was founded.

Oh no! Moral Anarchy! Please, Dr. Bible-thumper, take us back to the time when right and wrong was so clear and absolute and the world was so perfect - for example, back during the time of our country's founding when racial equality was absolutely wrong and owning other human beings was absolutely right! Things were just so much more simple before this "all ethnic groups are equal" gobbleygook!



How is multicultural education taught? It is not a course which is taught separately from the rest of the subject matter. It is, in reality, a world-view which, in the words of a multicultural specialist at Emporia State University, “must permeate the total educational environment.”

Indeed, according to an associate professor at West Virginia University, multicultural education “must be carefully planned, organized, and integrated into all the subject areas. But most emphatically it must begin when children first enter school.”

And Dr. Bible-thumper pouts at this because he wishes that his "Judeo-Christian" world-view was being taught to Children, rather than a set of skills that these young people can use to critically examine his world-view. What a surprise.



The idea that there exists a common value system known as Americanism no longer prevails in American public schools. Yet we know that Americanism does exist and does constitute the basis of American consciousness: the conviction that this nation was created with God’s help and blessings to demonstrate to the world that with the true God all good things are possible, and that without Him we will be consigned to the same tyranny and misery that now afflicts the millions of people who live under paganism, atheism and communism.[

What in the FUCK is this dude smoking? The reason there isn't a common value system is because of ignorant, bigoted assholes such as this author who continue to parade their preferred set of superstitions and imagined history around as divine truth and superior to all others whereas multiculturalism is establishing a common ground of respect (which, no surprise, is "destroying america" according to such assholes).

The bolded portion of that quote is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read on the internet. ON THE ENTIRE INTERNET. And to think that this guy gets PUBLISHED? It's so sad.



During the celebration of the 100th anniversary of the Statue of Liberty that concept of Americanism was expressed over and over again in song and speech in three simple words: God Bless America.

First of all, how DARE this author tell God what to do. God will bless or curse America if and when he god-damn-well pleases to do so. This author has NO PLACE to COMMAND God to "bless" a nation created by mere mortals.



Those three words acknowledge the existence, power, and sovereignty of the God of the Bible.

Or maybe people just say it because we live in a land of Bible-thumping ignoramuses?



They express the essence of Americanism, the peculiar consciousness that makes us different from other peoples. You never hear the President of France, or Germany, or Russia calling for God’s blessings.

No, Mr. Author, what makes you different from "other peoples" is that you're a dumb fuck. If the actions of our Presidents provides proof of the character of our nation, I would gladly side with Jefferson's assessment that the Bible is essentially a worthless dung pile.



While that American consciousness was given to us by our Founding Fathers who, for the most part, were indeed white, Anglo-Saxon Protestants, one does not have to be white, Anglo-Saxon, or even Protestant to accept it. There are many African-Americans, Hispanics, Germans, Armenians, Russians, Catholics, and Jews who accept it.

Yay, people with different skin colors share your dumb beliefs. So what?



Becoming an American does not mean aping WASPS. It means accepting the essence of what the Founding Fathers stood for and died for. That essence is founded on Biblical principles which include the concept of moral absolutes. To deprive school children of that knowledge is to rob them of their common American heritage.

Since the Founding Father's didn't believe in evolution, clearly evolution should not be taught in public schools because that would be depriving "the children" of their "common American heritage".... Hah! See my point?.... wait.... these people don't believe in evolution either... fuck.



Multiculturalism is also an important stepping stone to globalism, that concept of a future world government which the public schools are promoting as aggressively as ever. In an article entitled “Multicultural Education and Global Education: A Possible Merger,” Donna J. Cole of Wittenberg University wrote:

“A multiculturalized global education would address the basic concern of where the individual fits into the mosaic of humanity and where others fit in the same mosaic….[It] would aid students in understanding that our membership in groups affects our values and attitudes….[It] would assist students in recognizing the need to be flexible and adjustable citizens in a rapidly changing world.”

The National Education Association (NEA), of course, endorses multicultural-global education as “a way of helping every student perceive the cultural diversity of the US citizenry so that children of many races may develop pride in their own cultural legacy, awaken to the ideas embodied in the cultures of their neighbors, and develop an appreciation of the common humanity shared by all people of the earth.”

Oh what a terrible thing it would be if that bolded portion came true!!! Please save us Dr. Bible-thumper!

Also, BOATS and AIRPLANES (flying cars, for the layman) are ESSENTIAL STEPPING STONES towards WORLD GOVERNMENT AND MUST BE STOPPED!



That was written in 1986 before Islamist jihadists, those fanatic followers of the god of the Koran, declared war on the United States. But apparently that hasn’t changed anything. Note that the NEA recognizes no American culture that the student may take pride in. He is to appreciate the cultures of others, learn about them, at the expense of learning about his own.

Note, first, how the author contradicts the bolded portion of the preceding excerpt which states, "so that children of many races may develop pride in their own cultural legacy," and then how jingoistic his foreign policy outlook is. This guy is a moron. He insinuates that we should not view Islam, Arab culture, etc as highly as we did before Islamic jihadists "declared war on the United States." Hmm, given the history of organized religion and Christianity, maybe we shouldn't view them highly either. Oh wait, im already there!



The ultimate purpose of multicultural-globalist education is to prepare young Americans to accept as inevitable and desirable a world socialist government in which American national sovereignty will be surrendered for the greater good of “world peace and brotherhood.” Social studies professors have rewritten American history to play down patriotism and national pride. Patriotism leads to an ethnocentric mindset, not conducive to world government.

Hey guys, I got a PHD just so I could make wild claims with absolutely no support and still get published! Or wait, maybe Dr. Bible-thumper has actually uncovered a MASSIVE CONSPIRACY to brainwash American children into accepting a ONE-WORLD SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT *muahahahaha*



The only way parents can safeguard their children from such socialist brainwashing is to educate them at home or place them in private schools where traditional subject matter is taught in the traditional way. Patriotism is alive and well in the home-school movement where Biblical principles prevail. And while we must all live in a society where multiculturalism has run amok, the greatest gift parents can give their children is the knowledge that moral sanity is far more important and necessary for our national survival than conforming to secular humanist cultural standards that reject God’s law.

What an absolute joke. This is why homeschoolers and people who don't like public schools get laughed at. Because they are associated with morons such as the author of this article.

[FrankRep]

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[WaltM]

there's a word for opponents of multiculturalism

[BlackTerrel]

The philosophy of Multiculturalism has been around since the 1970s and it now infects every aspect of American life. Its latest nefarious manifestation is in airport security, where the notion that all ethnic groups are of equal value has made ethnic profiling a no-no. Just because all of the suicide bombers have been Islamic jihadists does not mean that young Moslem men should be singled out for greater scrutiny than anyone else.

How does this author propose to identify Muslims?

[BuddyRey]

Multiculturalism has been around a Hell of a lot longer than the 1970's, and I don't know about the rest of you, but it's only improved my life. I'm within two blocks of a great Chinese restaurant, a great Italian restaurant, and a passable Mexican restaurant, all because of the sweat and blood of entrepreneurs who come here from other countries to provide better lives for their families.

[FrankRep]

Multiculturalism has been around a Hell of a lot longer than the 1970's, and I don't know about the rest of you, but it's only improved my life. I'm within two blocks of a great Chinese restaurant, a great Italian restaurant, and a passable Mexican restaurant, all because of the sweat and blood of entrepreneurs who come here from other countries to provide better lives for their families.

The article is criticizing "moral diversity" (aka: moral anarchy) and not "cultural diversity." I like Chinese, Italian, and Mexican food as well.



Thus, multicultural education embraces much more than mere cultural pluralism or ethnic diversity. It legitimizes different lifestyles and values systems, thereby legitimizing moral diversity — which is simply moral anarchy. The concept of moral diversity directly contradicts the Biblical concept of moral absolutes based on the Ten Commandments, on which this nation was founded.

[MelissaWV]

This was already addressed at least five dozen times, but to shorten the inevitable 20 page thread about racism and profiling and whatever else it will turn into...

Richard Reid was "not suspicious" to some of the airport scanners because he didn't have the right kind of name to be suspicious. He spoke proper English, too! Of course, now because of him, the TSA profiles people wearing shoes :(

Profiling itself, though, is helpful. Profiling is a compilation of various factors, not just someone's race, which could be useful in narrowing down the "potential terrorists" by behavior. The trouble is that the same "potential terrorists" will learn your methods and adapt, hence making them pretty pointless. Even still, you can figure that a person juggling several children is less likely to be a terrorist threat... not because they're a parent, but because pulling off the maneuvers involved with getting a device/substance past security, and then detonating that device/substance, is very difficult to do while dealing with several children. It is also really difficult to keep one's toddler from grabbing whatever device/substance you were trying to keep concealed. (It's just an example.)

Picking out someone because they "look too brown" or whatever else is silly. The average TSA flunkie thinks *I'm* Middle Eastern during the summer.

[FrankRep]

Picking out someone because they "look too brown" or whatever else is silly. The average TSA flunkie thinks *I'm* Middle Eastern during the summer.
The article is criticizing "moral diversity" (aka: moral anarchy) and not "cultural diversity." This article is not about race.

[MelissaWV]

The article is criticizing "moral diversity" (aka: moral anarchy) and not "cultural diversity." This article is not about race.


That is why everyone who wants to travel by air must be subjected to the same intensive security inspection as a would-be suicide bomber, because it would be unfair to single out Moslems as the only people capable of blowing themselves up in a plane.

Not about cultural diverisity at all? Could have fooled me. :D

[FrankRep]

The article is criticizing "moral diversity" (aka: moral anarchy) and not "cultural diversity." This article is not about race.


That is why everyone who wants to travel by air must be subjected to the same intensive security inspection as a would-be suicide bomber, because it would be unfair to single out Moslems as the only people capable of blowing themselves up in a plane.


Not about cultural diverisity at all? Could have fooled me. :D

Islamic Jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad) is a huge moral issue. Suicide bombings isn't a cultural value we should embrace.

[Reason]

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[Vessol]

I'll say it again. I dislike the article and the John Birch society because they promote a Theocratic Republic. A Republic ruled by one religion and one faith. This in my opinion is not liberty. How can you provide freedom to all, when you only think it should be afforded to those who follow your moral beliefs.

America was founded and only exists because of multiculturalism. Your argument against chaotic moralism is unfounded because you will find the same basic morals present in all religions and beliefs. Basically summed up the Golden Rule, treat one like you would treat yourself.

I'm aware that you are against learning about other cultures and religions, so perhaps you have not been able to study other faiths and learn that in reality, most if not all of faiths same the same basic morals.
And doesn't multiculturalism, and learning about others faiths promote peace and understanding? When you understand what a man believes and why, even if you disagree with him, you have more respect for him.

It is misunderstanding, refusing to learn about others, holding your own beliefs above others in all regards. It is THESE which produce conflict, hatred, and even wars.

This is what I see the John Birch Society preaching and while I respect your views and your rights to them, I disagree with them.

[The Patriot]

America was founded and only exists because of multiculturalism.

Yea, remember all those Mexicans and Hindus who signed the Declaration of Independence:rolleyes:

[Vessol]

Yea, remember all those Mexicans and Hindus who signed the Declaration of Independence:rolleyes:

Remember all those Mexicans and Hindus who came here to enjoy equality for all under the law which they did not have in their homelands, and helped build this country over its three hundred years to be the great nation it is.

The founding fathers laid the blueprints for America. Americans built them. American=/=WASP. American=Many cultures and many faiths, a melting pot, multiculturalism.

If you do not support equality for all under the law, including muslims from being profiled at airports unfairly then other passengers, then you in my opinion are not a freedom lover. You only care for freedom for your select viewpoint.

[The Patriot]

Remember all those Mexicans and Hindus who came here to enjoy equality for all under the law which they did not have in their homelands, and helped build this country over its three hundred years to be the great nation it is.

Can't recall them. Mexicans and Hindus didn't really come here until after 1965. Can't say things have gotten better since than. Things have gotten worse since the 60s. Not saying there is a correlation necessarily, but you can't say mass immigration from around the world has made this country better because the country hasn't gotten any better because of it.

[Vessol]

Can't recall them. Mexicans and Hindus didn't really come here until after 1965. Can't say things have gotten better since than. Things have gotten worse since the 60s. Not saying there is a correlation necessarily, but you can't say mass immigration from around the world has made this country better because the country hasn't gotten any better because of it.

Mexicans have been living in the Southwest United States for over 100 years. Hindus have been coming to America since the late 1800's from Asia. Many British citizens.

These are only two small populations out of the multitudes that have come to America.

[The Patriot]

If you do not support equality for all under the law, including muslims from being profiled at airports unfairly then other passengers, then you in my opinion are not a freedom lover. You only care for freedom for your select viewpoint.

I support equality under the law, I never said anything to the contrary, I just think it is absurd to say this country was built on multiculturalism. There may have been differences between say the original Scotch Irish and English Protestants who primarily founded the country and the later Italians, Poles, and Russian Jews but the differences aren't as large as say between White America today and the often separated Latino community. These people generally don't melt into the so called pot. They pride themselves on themselves being foreign and part of a larger ethnic nation. I am not saying Latinos are bad, I have latinos friends, but to say recent Latino immigration has made the country infinitely better isn't backed up by the current set of circumstances.

[Vessol]

I support equality under the law, I never said anything to the contrary, I just think it is absurd to say this country was built on multiculturalism. There may have been differences between say the original Scotch Irish and English Protestants who primarily founded the country and the later Italians, Poles, and Russian Jews but the differences aren't as large as say between White America today and the often separated Latino community. These people generally don't melt into the so called pot. They pride themselves on themselves being foreign and part of a larger ethnic nation. I am not saying Latinos are bad, I have latinos friends, but to say recent Latino immigration has made the country infinitely better isn't backed up by the current set of circumstances.

My opinion on the Latino community being so seperate is because it is also new. New populatons in a country tend to stick together.

Give it two or three generations and they will be mixed in well in America.

Just like my Irish ancestors who faced a lot of hatred and prejudice when they immigrated here in the late 19th century.

Also I was not saying you were against equality for all under the law, but rather the article by the OP was.

[The Patriot]

My opinion on the Latino community being so seperate is because it is also new. New populatons in a country tend to stick together.

Give it two or three generations and they will be mixed in well in America.

Just like my Irish ancestors who faced a lot of hatred and prejudice when they immigrated here in the late 19th century.

Also I was not saying you were against equality for all under the law, but rather the article by the OP was.

Will see, it has been two generations and often the children of the immigrants speak spanish as a first language and believe the southwest is part of a larger latino nation. Now, by opinion isn't based on bigotry or assumptions, but merely my every interactions with latinos in large amounts in Los Angeles. Maybe it will change, I hope it will. I didn't live during the early 1900s, but I don't think the Irish felt their loyalty was to a foreign nation, they wanted to be American citizens. I know for a fact when my family came from Italy the kids were taught english first and foremost, they weren't even taught Italian, they wanted to be part of America, not Italy.

[FrankRep]

I'll say it again. I dislike the article and the John Birch society because they promote a Theocratic Republic.

The JBS promotes a Constitutional Republic, not a Theocracy. This article is merely talking about moral decay of society, which leads to more laws/tyranny on the people by the government.



A Republic ruled by one religion and one faith. This in my opinion is not liberty. How can you provide freedom to all, when you only think it should be afforded to those who follow your moral beliefs.

We are ruled by the Constitution and not one religion or faith.



America was founded and only exists because of multiculturalism. Your argument against chaotic moralism is unfounded because you will find the same basic morals present in all religions and beliefs. Basically summed up the Golden Rule, treat one like you would treat yourself.

Islamic Jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad) is a huge moral issue. Suicide bombings isn't a cultural value we should embrace.



I'm aware that you are against learning about other cultures and religions, so perhaps you have not been able to study other faiths and learn that in reality, most if not all of faiths same the same basic morals.

The article is criticizing "moral diversity" (aka: moral anarchy) and not "cultural diversity." Some cultural morals are compatible, some are not.



And doesn't multiculturalism, and learning about others faiths promote peace and understanding? When you understand what a man believes and why, even if you disagree with him, you have more respect for him.

This article isn't arguing against cultural diversity. The issue is incompatible morality.



It is misunderstanding, refusing to learn about others, holding your own beliefs above others in all regards. It is THESE which produce conflict, hatred, and even wars.

As a Christian, lead by the Christian Holy Bible, I view morality as absolute standard, not defined by relative democratic whims of popular culture.



This is what I see the John Birch Society preaching and why I disagree with them.

You are allowed to disagree with this statement:

JBS Mission Statement (http://www.jbs.org/about)


To bring about less government, more responsibility, and — with God’s help — a better world by providing leadership, education, and organized volunteer action in accordance with moral and Constitutional principles.

[Fr3shjive]

I support equality under the law, I never said anything to the contrary, I just think it is absurd to say this country was built on multiculturalism. There may have been differences between say the original Scotch Irish and English Protestants who primarily founded the country and the later Italians, Poles, and Russian Jews but the differences aren't as large as say between White America today and the often separated Latino community. These people generally don't melt into the so called pot. They pride themselves on themselves being foreign and part of a larger ethnic nation. I am not saying Latinos are bad, I have latinos friends, but to say recent Latino immigration has made the country infinitely better isn't backed up by the current set of circumstances.

How can you say that the latino community is seperated when there are still many of them still immigrating to the states? When italians came here they were some what "seperated". As I recall they had their own little italies. Given time the latino population will assimilate into american culture just like other cultures have.

Do you really expect a mexican who has immigrated to america to assimilate overnight? Often times, as is the case with me, the children of immigrants usually assimilate into American society very well and associate with being an American citizen rather than being loyal to mexico.

[Vessol]

How can you say that the latino community is seperated when there are still many of them still immigrating to the states? When italians came here they were some what "seperated". As I recall they had their own little italies. Given time the latino population will assimilate into american culture just like other cultures have.

Do you really expect a mexican who has immigrated to america to assimilate overnight? Often times, as is the case with me, the children of immigrants usually assimilate into American society very well and associate with being an American citizen rather than being loyal to mexico.

This is what I was going at. A lot of latinos now, especially the ones that mostly speak spanish are immigrants themselves.

Oftentimes I HAVE noticed their children go out of the way to learn English and assimilate.

My girlfriend is a third generation Mexican immigrant and she doesn't know a lick of Spanish.

My Irish ancestors lived in the Irish "ghetto" in Boston when they immigrated here. They were very pro-Irish and got in fights often with the Tory immigrants. Even a generation later, my great grandfather supported the IRA in their uprising against Britain. Hell, I as a fourth/fifth generation immigrant still have soft spot in my heart for Ireland.

[The Patriot]

This is what I was going at. A lot of latinos now, especially the ones that mostly speak spanish are immigrants themselves.

Oftentimes I HAVE noticed their children go out of the way to learn English and assimilate.

My girlfriend is a third generation Mexican immigrant and she doesn't know a lick of Spanish.

My Irish ancestors lived in the Irish "ghetto" in Boston when they immigrated here. They were very pro-Irish and got in fights often with the Tory immigrants. Even a generation later, my great grandfather supported the IRA in their uprising against Britain.

Guess we are seeing different things, not saying you are wrong. In fact, I hope you are right, we don't need cultural balkanization or the nation will cease to exist(ie. the balkans).

BTW, even though I am part brit, I totally support the IRA in Northern Ireland.

[FrankRep]

This topic isn't about Race or Racism.

For disclosure, I'm part Blackfoot Native American and I don't support the destructive collectivist ideology of racism.

[Fr3shjive]

This is what I was going at. A lot of latinos now, especially the ones that mostly speak spanish are immigrants themselves.

Oftentimes I HAVE noticed their children go out of the way to learn English and assimilate.

My girlfriend is a third generation Mexican immigrant and she doesn't know a lick of Spanish.

My Irish ancestors lived in the Irish "ghetto" in Boston when they immigrated here. They were very pro-Irish and got in fights often with the Tory immigrants. Even a generation later, my great grandfather supported the IRA in their uprising against Britain. Hell, I as a fourth/fifth generation immigrant still have soft spot in my heart for Ireland.

Im very proud to be American, I love this country, but I also love the family values, culture and traditions that we have in the Mexican culture too.

A lot of this evidence is anecdotal so it really doesnt matter but as far as my family goes every single first generation cousin or child in my family speaks english fluently. I dont know how a kid could grow up in the US, go to the schools and not learn english. Its pretty much impossible imo.

[Vessol]

Guess we are seeing different things, not saying you are wrong. In fact, I hope you are right, we don't need cultural balkanization or the nation will cease to exist(ie. the balkans).

BTW, even though I am part brit, I totally support the IRA in Northern Ireland.

See the reason a lot of the Balkans have problems is because in each different ethnic region, the population there does not want equality for the others or a specific other under the law. They think their ethnicity is superior then the other. America does not have this problem because we support equality for all under the law. All cultures and all faiths.

Also I want to add that I do not support the IRA in Northern Ireland, or at least the Provisional IRA which were terrorists and killed many innocent people. I believe the two should be united, but it should be up to the Ulsters if they want to be united, currently it seems they do not. Heck, maybe we should profile young Irish men at airports as they are potential terrorists as well :rolleyes:

[Liberty Star]

If I recall stats right in recent news report, more than a quarter of our military is now multicultural ; that is not the only way MC permeates into social order but it's one of the leaders.