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GunnyFreedom
01-28-2010, 02:00 PM
Ladies and gents,

I've been at this "change the country" thing for a while now. While Ron Paul got me motivated to get involved in politics, I have been a Constitutional Activist for years.

For the longest time I thought all we had to do was to get a Constitutionalist President, or a Constitutionalist Governor, and it would all magically become sunshine and rainbows.

Then, around April-May ish 2007 when someone told me about Ron Paul, I though every prayer I had every had had been answered. The same person also old me that just electing a President wasn't going to do it, but that change has to come from the bottom up. At the time I didn't believe it.

Truth be told, I was afraid to believe it, because the task seemed so monumentally huge -- it just 'felt' like it would be a lot easier to elect one President than it would be to elect untold thousands of State Assemblymen.

Well, it's two and a half years later now, and I realize now more than ever that the fella who told me this was wiser than I knew. To begin with, the task is not nearly as gargantuan as I thought. It is big, but not impossible.

I have also come to the inescapable conclusion that we need these several forces to work in concert. The State Governors only have those tools which the legislature provides them. The Governor cannot assert the 10th Amendment unless the Legislature hands them enforcement power to do so. The US Congress will never have a majority that wants to restrict their own power, so they will require pressure from the States in order for our minority of Constitutional Activists in the Congress to do their magic.

The President, it turns out, is the least important figure in all of this. It all starts in the States. The State Assemblies have to give the Governor the enforcement power to assert the 10th Amendment against the Federal Government. The Governor has to use that power in a way that puts pressure on the US Congress. The US Congress needs a few dedicated Constitutionalists who will take that pressure and leverage it into a demand for the rest of them to accede to reform.

The President must then sign (or ignore) the bills that the US Congress passes affecting that reform.

After years and years of activism, and 2 and a half years of politics, I can not escape the fact that the only process whereby we can restore the Constitutional Order for the entire nation, most originate in the States. That's why I chose to run for State House instead of the US Congress.

I'm not posting this for myself, but for everybody around the nation. Yes, it is important to get behind our favorite Congressional or Senatorial candidates. But I plead with you, beg you to understand that it is even that much more important to get behind local State Legislature candidates. Without us applying pressure on the Federal Government, the few Congressmen and Senators who we WILL elect, will not have the pressure they need to exert against their fellow Congressmen who will oppose our agenda.

It is indeed time. The year 2010 is our best opportunity in a century to initiate the process whereby we can in fact restore the Constitutional Order. We do need our people in Congress and in the Senate -- but they can't do what they need to if we don't also have our people in the State Assemblies.

So I'm asking you, everybody, to get in and work from the ground up. Find one or two or ten State House candidates in your State who will draft legislation to give the Governor enforcement authority for asserting the 10th Amendment and enacting nullification. Support a gubernatorial candidate who will actually use that enforcement authority, and support a Congressional candidate who can take that pressure and use it to demand reform in the US Congress.

We can do this -- we really can -- but we have to start fromt he ground up or there will be no foundation for it. Thanks so much!

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-28-2010, 02:10 PM
I agree. I'd love to see a Legislature and Governor stand up and Nullify the Federal Reserve and then institute free-banking and sound currency. We can all dream. :p

Good luck Gunny.

*PS if you have time could you look over my suggestions in the Freedom and Arms section /nudge /nudge lol.

GunnyFreedom
01-28-2010, 02:25 PM
I agree. I'd love to see a Legislature and Governor stand up and Nullify the Federal Reserve and then institute free-banking and sound currency. We can all dream. :p

Good luck Gunny.

*PS if you have time could you look over my suggestions in the Freedom and Arms section /nudge /nudge lol.

believe it or not, I still have the tabs open ;-) I'll bump in on it in the next 12 hrs as a promise.

As a matter of fact, a State centered commodity currency is something I have given some thought to -- we neet to make an adjustment in climate before that will stand a snowball's chance for the time being. Mind you, the crashing dollar may give us that opportunity sooner than expected which is why I intend to have such legislation at the ready to introduce if a spectacular opportunity arises.

Vessol
01-28-2010, 02:30 PM
I couldn't agree more Glen. I was talking with a friend about it last night and the real change will come from local and state politics, not national politics which to me have becoming almost dizzying in keeping up with.

reduen
01-28-2010, 02:39 PM
I am hard at it with ya brother, even as we speak....!!!

langoley
01-28-2010, 07:01 PM
But the first thing we need to do is quit fighting with each other!!As in quit running each other down,quit saying I am better than you are,and such!!We need to remember that we are all conservatives,and to that end we need to work together against the enemy.Whether that be the liberals,the progressives,the socialists,or whoever,but first we need to stop fighting with each other!!!No we don't always see eye to eye,but WE ARE BROTHERS IN THIS FIGHT,so lets act like it,please.This is what the "others" are planning on,just like the tea party problems.We need to get along with each other and fight against our common enemy.

GunnyFreedom
01-28-2010, 07:24 PM
believe it or not, I still have the tabs open ;-) I'll bump in on it in the next 12 hrs as a promise.

As a matter of fact, a State centered commodity currency is something I have given some thought to -- we neet to make an adjustment in climate before that will stand a snowball's chance for the time being. Mind you, the crashing dollar may give us that opportunity sooner than expected which is why I intend to have such legislation at the ready to introduce if a spectacular opportunity arises.

OK, 12 hrs from NOW, by 8 AM Eastern I'll hit those threads. I'm a bit goofy from 36 hrs awake...

GunnyFreedom
01-28-2010, 07:39 PM
But the first thing we need to do is quit fighting with each other!!As in quit running each other down,quit saying I am better than you are,and such!!We need to remember that we are all conservatives,and to that end we need to work together against the enemy.Whether that be the liberals,the progressives,the socialists,or whoever,but first we need to stop fighting with each other!!!No we don't always see eye to eye,but WE ARE BROTHERS IN THIS FIGHT,so lets act like it,please.This is what the "others" are planning on,just like the tea party problems.We need to get along with each other and fight against our common enemy.

If you uphold the principles described in the Constitution, self-ownership, personal sovereignty, limited government, and a humble foreign policy, then you are indeed my brother in the fight. But make no mistake, those radical leftist Trotskyite neoconservatives who call themselves "republicans" but who are really just another kind of big-government communist in a different color suit, are NOT my allies, they are my bitter enemies and I will fight them until my dying breath.

We cannot win freedom by allying with tyranny, and we cannot glorify God by making a pact with the devil. We are worse off compromising with evil than we are to let evil run free, for at least if evil runs free then it is revealed in all of it's grotesque nature for all the world to see, but if the forces of good choose to tray and ally with the forces of evil, then the evil becomes hidden from view, where it can do much more damage to the fabric of our nation.

Agreed, the infighting must stop. Agreed, those of us who really do stand on the fundamental principles of the American Republic must hang together, or we will surely hang separately.

But know this, there are fundamental principles for which I would rather die than to compromise. Among these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. My life is mine, and nobody else's. I, and only I have a right to decide what I do with my body. No bureaucrat has the right to make my medical decisions in my stead, and no enforcement agent has the right to decide what I am allowed to posses and consume. I, and only I have the right to decide what I will do with my life. No bureaucrat has the right to decide what lifestyle is correct, politically or otherwise, and no enforcement agent has the right to dictate to me what behaviors are acceptable or unacceptable except wherein I might trespass against another sovereign soul.

These are the principles for which I will lay down my life, and I will not compromise upon them for any power or principality on or below earth which I may encounter.

If you agree with that, then we truly have no quarrel between us.

hugolp
01-28-2010, 07:53 PM
As a matter of fact, a State centered commodity currency is something I have given some thought to -- we neet to make an adjustment in climate before that will stand a snowball's chance for the time being. Mind you, the crashing dollar may give us that opportunity sooner than expected which is why I intend to have such legislation at the ready to introduce if a spectacular opportunity arises.

Andrew Jackson killed the bank, the second Bank of the USA. But it wasnt all Andrew Jackson. Even before Andrew Jackson was president, the states were fighting against the central bank, with states treasury secreatries ignoring federal laws, and even going to jail (and being liberated shortly :D). So there was a movement against the central bank alredy, and probably that helped Jackson a lot.

So you are right, historically in the USA a fight started at a local level works. You guys are so lucky, more than you even imagine.

Vessol
01-28-2010, 08:07 PM
I've never looked at it as Conservatives vs. Liberals. But rather total government and no government on a scale. As you reach total government, both the right and the left combine and become the same.

http://www.truthandliberty.com/images/diamond_paradigm.png

A diagram to show my point.

langoley
01-29-2010, 03:32 AM
Yes Gunny,we see things the same way! I was raised on an army base not too far from where you are now(200 miles),and was raised with VERY conservative values.I now live in the mountains of West Virginia,where most people are even MORE CONSERVATIVE than how we were then! I am not saying I am a separatist but we only go in to "town" when we absolutely MUST. I believe in most of what is said on the site here,but I get tired of the constant posts beating down one personality or another because of their "views".I know I will probably get flamed for this one,but here I go.I am BY NO MEANS saying that I think that everything that he says is right,probably not even half,but GLENN BECK has brought millions of people to realize they need to OPEN THEIR EYES and get off of their couch!Remember,I don't say he is right,but he gets some people to READ THE CONSTITUTION,so he can't be all bad.My thought is,there are so many other people like Barney Frank,Rohm Emmanual,Tim Gheitner,and Harry Reid that we need to focus on rather than fight amongst each other!

rancher89
01-29-2010, 06:31 AM
if you uphold the principles described in the constitution, self-ownership, personal sovereignty, limited government, and a humble foreign policy, then you are indeed my brother in the fight. But make no mistake, those radical leftist trotskyite neoconservatives who call themselves "republicans" but who are really just another kind of big-government communist in a different color suit, are not my allies, they are my bitter enemies and i will fight them until my dying breath.

We cannot win freedom by allying with tyranny, and we cannot glorify god by making a pact with the devil. We are worse off compromising with evil than we are to let evil run free, for at least if evil runs free then it is revealed in all of it's grotesque nature for all the world to see, but if the forces of good choose to tray and ally with the forces of evil, then the evil becomes hidden from view, where it can do much more damage to the fabric of our nation.

Agreed, the infighting must stop. Agreed, those of us who really do stand on the fundamental principles of the american republic must hang together, or we will surely hang separately.

But know this, there are fundamental principles for which i would rather die than to compromise. Among these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. My life is mine, and nobody else's. I, and only i have a right to decide what i do with my body. No bureaucrat has the right to make my medical decisions in my stead, and no enforcement agent has the right to decide what i am allowed to posses and consume. I, and only i have the right to decide what i will do with my life. No bureaucrat has the right to decide what lifestyle is correct, politically or otherwise, and no enforcement agent has the right to dictate to me what behaviors are acceptable or unacceptable except wherein i might trespass against another sovereign soul.

These are the principles for which i will lay down my life, and i will not compromise upon them for any power or principality on or below earth which i may encounter.

If you agree with that, then we truly have no quarrel between us.

+qft
+1776
+2010
+ok

LittleLightShining
01-29-2010, 06:45 AM
If you uphold the principles described in the Constitution, self-ownership, personal sovereignty, limited government, and a humble foreign policy, then you are indeed my brother in the fight. But make no mistake, those radical leftist Trotskyite neoconservatives who call themselves "republicans" but who are really just another kind of big-government communist in a different color suit, are NOT my allies, they are my bitter enemies and I will fight them until my dying breath.

We cannot win freedom by allying with tyranny, and we cannot glorify God by making a pact with the devil. We are worse off compromising with evil than we are to let evil run free, for at least if evil runs free then it is revealed in all of it's grotesque nature for all the world to see, but if the forces of good choose to tray and ally with the forces of evil, then the evil becomes hidden from view, where it can do much more damage to the fabric of our nation.

Agreed, the infighting must stop. Agreed, those of us who really do stand on the fundamental principles of the American Republic must hang together, or we will surely hang separately.

But know this, there are fundamental principles for which I would rather die than to compromise. Among these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. My life is mine, and nobody else's. I, and only I have a right to decide what I do with my body. No bureaucrat has the right to make my medical decisions in my stead, and no enforcement agent has the right to decide what I am allowed to posses and consume. I, and only I have the right to decide what I will do with my life. No bureaucrat has the right to decide what lifestyle is correct, politically or otherwise, and no enforcement agent has the right to dictate to me what behaviors are acceptable or unacceptable except wherein I might trespass against another sovereign soul.

These are the principles for which I will lay down my life, and I will not compromise upon them for any power or principality on or below earth which I may encounter.

If you agree with that, then we truly have no quarrel between us.
Fantastic post, Gunny.

I think almost more important than slim jims and bumper stickers is that you write stuff like this and send it to the editors of all the papers in your district. Send out email blasts, do whatever you can to get this inspired message out to the people. There's a lady here who hung out at a busy gas station and pumped gas for people and used the time to talk to voters.

People need to actually HEAR what you have to say, Gunny. If they hear you you can't lose.

langoley
01-29-2010, 12:03 PM
That was kind of my point,we may not always se eye to eye,but most of the time we are spreading the same message. God bless the constitution and our founding fathers!!!

steve005
01-29-2010, 12:19 PM
bump

jmdrake
01-29-2010, 12:49 PM
Yes Gunny,we see things the same way! I was raised on an army base not too far from where you are now(200 miles),and was raised with VERY conservative values.I now live in the mountains of West Virginia,where most people are even MORE CONSERVATIVE than how we were then! I am not saying I am a separatist but we only go in to "town" when we absolutely MUST. I believe in most of what is said on the site here,but I get tired of the constant posts beating down one personality or another because of their "views".I know I will probably get flamed for this one,but here I go.I am BY NO MEANS saying that I think that everything that he says is right,probably not even half,but GLENN BECK has brought millions of people to realize they need to OPEN THEIR EYES and get off of their couch!Remember,I don't say he is right,but he gets some people to READ THE CONSTITUTION,so he can't be all bad.My thought is,there are so many other people like Barney Frank,Rohm Emmanual,Tim Gheitner,and Harry Reid that we need to focus on rather than fight amongst each other!

In the spirit of unity I will not flame you. :)

That said I simply disagree with this being about how "conservative" you are. Whenever telemarketers for that leach John Cornyn call me asking me for a donation they are quick to point out that he's the "3rd most conservative voter in the senate". Umm....so? He voted for the bailout. He also voted for to fund these undeclared unjustified wars, for Homeland inSecurity, the Patriot Act etc. Those last votes I mentioned might actually have helped his "conservative" rating. On the flipside Dennis Kucinich and Alan Grayson are good on the fed, the wars, the PA and DHS, but are very bad on other things. (Ok. In addition to sucking on spending policy and the welfare state, Grayson is a jerk. But you get my point I hope.)

Many of the same people who want us all to embrace certain politicians because they are "good on some things" will trash other politicians who are good on a different set of things. I find such inconsistency unacceptable. Either we work with anybody on an ad hoc basis, or we only work with those who share our core values.

The bottom line is, I'm not just interested in winning over Republicans who accept RP economic policies but are pro war. I also want to win over democrats and independents who are antiwar but don't accept or understand Ron Paul's economics.

steve005
01-29-2010, 01:52 PM
Many of the same people who want us all to embrace certain politicians because they are "good on some things" will trash other politicians who are good on a different set of things. I find such inconsistency unacceptable. Either we work with anybody on an ad hoc basis, or we only work with those who share our core values.

The bottom line is, I'm not just interested in winning over Republicans who accept RP economic policies but are pro war. I also want to win over democrats and independents who are antiwar but don't accept or understand Ron Paul's economics.
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agree

phill4paul
01-29-2010, 02:48 PM
Bft!

langoley
01-30-2010, 02:42 AM
Also agree,whole heartedly!! How can you say you are a conservative with a voting record like that? HMMMMM Does not compute with me.And I unlike mose american voters have a long memory.

fj45lvr
01-30-2010, 03:12 AM
the best thing that could happen is for the "free state project" to take hold in several states.

forget about the federal gov. it only serves to help the bankers/corporatists and undermines the sovereignty of the people via the EVIL supreme court.

freedom deserves competition.

END the FED (the central bank and the Gov)

DjLoTi
01-30-2010, 03:50 AM
Right on gunny. I actually couldn't agree more. I'm glad you're makin a difference... I am too! Your story is like mine and motivational. Keep up the good work.

Travlyr
01-30-2010, 04:23 AM
Impressive Gunny. I began to realize that the change will have to come from the state level just recently. If we install liberty candidates in the states, the task is not so gargantuan. Thank you for this post.

It seems to me the best place to start is find candidates who have not only read the US Constitution, but candidates who have memorized the "Bill of Rights."



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Southron
01-30-2010, 07:08 AM
The fight is definitely with the States.

Hopefully we can get a foothold in the NC House with you. Once you have a seat, you may be a springboard for other candidates