Democrat plan: Split GOP, Tea Party

[bobbyw24]

Democrats are looking for someone to blame for their electoral woes — and Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Robert Menendez is working hard to make sure it’s not him.

Showing that they’ve learned the lesson of Massachusetts, Menendez and his staff will distribute a memo Tuesday advising Democratic campaign managers to frame their opponents early — and to drive a wedge between moderate voters and tea-party-style conservatives.

“Given the pressure Republican candidates feel from the extreme right in their party, there is a critical — yet time-sensitive — opportunity for Democratic candidates,” the DSCC writes. “We have a finite window when Republicans candidates will feel susceptible to the extremists in their party. Given the urgent nature of this dynamic, we suggest an aggressive effort to get your opponents on the record.”

The memo urges Democratic candidates to force their opponents to answer a series of questions on health care, taxes and some of the favorite causes of the far right:

“Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen? Do you think the 10th Amendment bars Congress from issuing regulations like minimum health care coverage standards? Do you think programs like Social Security and Medicare represent socialism and should never have been created in the first place? Do you think President Obama is a socialist? Do you think America should return to a gold standard?”




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31991.html

[Bruno]

they are really asking a question about the gold standard? wow. times have changed. :)

[erowe1]

I like this plan.

[Elwar]

All of those questions are the reason why politicians speak in generalizations.

If you've ever seen that George Bush movie about George Bush having a talking point for every issue and answering the same way every time over and over no matter the question, that's how it works.

People want specifics, but only if they are specifics that they agree with.

[purplechoe]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aJDOgvUA_Yo/SRHzVpPIvRI/AAAAAAAAAH8/HITExLMYWz8/s320/Republican+Split.gif

[Elwar]

“Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen?

I believe most of the birthers understand that he's a citizen...the question is whether or not he's a natural born citizen.

[Elwar]

I like this plan.

Quite a powerful tool.

What questions would we ask Democrats (or the neo-cons in the primaries)?

[nobody's_hero]

The plan won't work as long as they continue to think of "tea partiers" as the "far right." (I cringe everytime some pundit makes that accusation). [Real] Tea party folks have stopped operating on the left-right spectrum, and the democrats might be in for a rude awakening when people start leaving the Democratic party and joining up in the liberty movement. (Prime example: Adam Kokesh has been endorsed by liberal-leaning Mike Gravel).

The democrats ought to be more worried about a split within their own party, whenever it is realized that Obama's term is over, and we are still involved in an unjust war. Look for folks like Kucinich, Gravel, Nader, etc. to break off and become the "Ron Pauls" of the democratic party.

[All of the above is just a theory of mine :)]

[Elwar]

birthers have a problem where he was "born" and anyone who says he wasn't born in Hawaii is frankly a moron.

Ya, but even if he was born in Kenya, he'd still be a US citizen via his mother's citizenship.

I haven't seen anyone who's filed paperwork state anything saying that he's not a citizen.

[LittleLightShining]

We need to start driving that wedge on the left. The war, civil liberties, executive orders, the bankers own the White House, etc etc.

[gls]

The Democrats' plan will fail because they are the "extremists" in the eyes of the majority center-right American electorate. The last two elections were flukes. People were voting to punish the GOP for Bush; not for some far-left mandate.

[akforme]

We need to start driving that wedge on the left. The war, civil liberties, executive orders, the bankers own the White House, etc etc.

I listen to a few liberal vlogs on youtube, and your right, the ones that hold to principle not sounds bites are just as pissed.

[ChaosControl]

“Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen? Do you think the 10th Amendment bars Congress from issuing regulations like minimum health care coverage standards? Do you think programs like Social Security and Medicare represent socialism and should never have been created in the first place? Do you think President Obama is a socialist? Do you think America should return to a gold standard?”

Yes, Yes, Yes, No, Yes.

[ItsTime]

We need to start driving that wedge on the left. The war, civil liberties, executive orders, the bankers own the White House, etc etc.

This. And I hate to say it, this is what Glenn Beck is trying to do.

[MsDoodahs]

The plan won't work as long as they continue to think of "tea partiers" as the "far right." (I cringe everytime some pundit makes that accusation). [Real] Tea party folks have stopped operating on the left-right spectrum, and the democrats might be in for a rude awakening when people start leaving the Democratic party and joining up in the liberty movement. (Prime example: Adam Kokesh has been endorsed by liberal-leaning Mike Gravel).

The democrats ought to be more worried about a split within their own party, whenever it is realized that Obama's term is over, and we are still involved in an unjust war. Look for folks like Kucinich, Gravel, Nader, etc. to break off and become the "Ron Pauls" of the democratic party.

[All of the above is just a theory of mine :)]

I like the way you think. :)

[Peace&Freedom]

Ya, but even if he was born in Kenya, he'd still be a US citizen via his mother's citizenship.

I haven't seen anyone who's filed paperwork state anything saying that he's not a citizen.

Except, I guess, for the paperwork that records him as being an Indonesian citizen:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24898751/Barry-Soetoro-Indonesia-School-Record3

Would be nice if he presented his full, real BC (the one that verifies his actual physical location of birth, attending physican, etc---other docs merely declare those details) for public review, instead of us getting hearsay assurances from some voice of Authority. Like McCain, the statutory case for Obama's citizenship can be made due to the expansiveness of its definition, but on the salient issue of his CONSTITUTIONAL qualifications to be a natural born citizen, he just isn't.

It's good to hear that folks like Gravel are warming up to supporting TP or liberty candidates. I remember suggesting he consider it when I sat next to him at the LPNY convention in 2008. He seemed open to it, and if several other Democrats of conscience follow suit, we could see the floodgates open. The landscape has been ripe for a mass de-alignment for ten years, ever since six years had already elapsed following the '94 GOP takeover of Congress, where they at last got their hallowed chance to reverse the Democratic welfare state---and completely did not. At this point, people have now seen the Democrats fail, and the Republicans fail, and may have finally figured out we need another solution.

[Captain Shays]

The day after Brown won the Mass Senate seat Menendez came out and said "I understand the people are impatient and want more done sooner".

What? Is that his interpretation as to what happened? Almost like the delusional statement made by the nutbag Howard Dean on Hardball, about the reason Koakly lost was "because the Democrats wanted to send a message to the Party that they weren't moving fast enough on healthcare." Huh? Mathews called him crazy to his face. Rightfully so.

So if Mendendez really believes that the reason Brown won the election was because people are impatient then I can pretty much rest assured that he is completely detached from the anger and disgust people feel about the back room deals, the cutting off debates, the massive spending on the backs of us and our children, the refusal to allow us to buy insurance across state lines, the threat of jail time if we don't purchase a product that our servant government is trying to force upon us and he's really in for a rude awakening.

I live here in New Jersey and Menendez I am here to tell you that we're coming for YOU next! You and Lautenburg are going to be on the unemployment lines come November. We ain't Democrats and we ain't Republicans let alone "extreemist wings of the Republican Party".

We're Americans who are sick and tired of your authoritarianism, you arrogance and your contempt of our Constitution and the will of the people. We're sick of you freedom robbing, war mongering scum who send our sons off to die for reasons that have no legitimate value relative to our national security or protection of our liberties.

Menendez, you're done. You're outa here.

[Stary Hickory]

Yes the Democrats should try and implement this "crafty"plan seeing as they have been so in touch with how Americans have been feeling all this time. They have been oblivious.

[Athan]

The Democrats' plan will fail because they are the "extremists" in the eyes of the majority center-right American electorate. The last two elections were flukes. People were voting to punish the GOP for Bush; not for some far-left mandate.

Hopefully their plan will simply backfire and they will help us to destroy BOTH parties which is an ideal situation.

[Stary Hickory]

Hopefully their plan will simply backfire and they will help us to destroy BOTH parties which is an ideal situation.

Would be fitting to toss out the statist Dems.....although you get Republicans again....and despite the thrashing they are getting many of them still do not get it. Warmongering is never popular. Not after the shine of fresh propaganda wears off.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Man, these questions are easy



“Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen?

I believe the constitution states; No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.



Do you think the 10th Amendment bars Congress from issuing regulations like minimum health care coverage standards?

I believe the constitution states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.



Do you think programs like Social Security and Medicare represent socialism and should never have been created in the first place?

I believe the Supreme Court affirmed in Steward Machine Co. vs. The Collector of Internal Revenue Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises. The court also re-affirmed the doctrine of uniformity is geographical. That means if I propose a federal tax on the privileged activity of Democratic Party membership uniformly throughout the United States the Supreme Court will uphold it as constitutional. :)



Do you think President Obama is a socialist?

Socialism is characterized as equal access to resources. I believe in the principles of equal application of law the United States were founded upon. I haven't had the opportunity to ask Obama what he believes.



Do you think America should return to a gold standard?”

I believe under the constitution, Congress has the power to coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

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[stu2002]

I think if the Dems do this right, they can split our vote--but which 3rd Party will be around to siphon off our votes?

[angelatc]

Sorry to pull a Little Hemmy, but I wanted to point out that the memo even specifically mentions Rand Paul. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=228400


ETA: I might as well go full blown: this is a shameless link to the blog post I wrote about it. http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/redstate_commentary/2010/01/dscc-memo-specifically-mentions-rand-paul.html

[romacox]

The attack on the Tea Party has begun, and, as you know, it has already happened to The Ron Paul movement. ..splitting people I mean.

YouTube - FreedomWorks Brendan Steinhauser on MSNBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL2dN65ppuY)

[Captain Shays]

In the mind of a liberal, a socialist, a progressive, a communist the term "limited government" is equal to "far right".

The attack has begun not only on the Tea Party but on Ron Paul and his supporters and not only from the progressives from the Democrat Party but from the progressives from the Republican Party. Why? Because we make good arguments about ending the Fed, small government, unconstitutional programs which are usually by rule, unsustainable and drive us into debt while diminishing our liberties.
Michael Medved laughed when the issue of ending the Fed came up as if to patronize those who desire at least an audit. He and his guest also attempted to make Austrian economists look like idiots and crazies and radicals while presenting a completely one-sided argument and Medved is an arch "conservative" though he's a hard core neo-con, a globalist and a progressive to boot.

I'm pretty sure that most of you are quite familiar with the attacks from the Ed Show, Mathews, Olberman and Marr but on the issue of Constitutional limited government, Ron Paul, and the Tea Party movement, they are nearly in lock step with the progressives on the "right". Unless of course they are trying to co-opt us in their attemots to defeat Democrats like Limbaugh and Hannity who valorize the Tea Party movement on their more liberty-less government positions but marginalize the majority of them who are Ron Paul supporters. Mostly this is based on their position of "being strong on defense" which really means embracing with both arms the progressive/liberal/Democrat method of foreign policy of policing the world and sticking our noses in other country's business and engaging in wars that have no legitimate value relative to our national security.

They will all fight together like rabid dogs against us to prevent upstart parties from penetrating into the corrupt two party crimicracy and the established power structures ALL by the hands of the Fed bankers/military industrial complex.

This is why not even Glen Beck connects the bankers to foreign policy, loss of liberties and unconstitutional programs let alone extra-national "trade agreements" and treaties that destroy our sovereignty as a nation.

Our source whould be the John Birch Society for they have been dealing with misinformation for YEARS and attemots to discredit them just like we're experiencing and will continue to experience on a graduated level as we approach the next round of elections. We have that much power and influence.

IF it comes down to it we can even consider them stepping up voter fraud attempts, back ops infiltration and other dubious mechanations to stop us.

IF that still doesn't work, then look for some "event" that causes Marshall Law to be imposed, confiscation of our guns, rounding us up for FEMA camps and worse.

Store food and water and ammo. Acquire unregistered guns and hide them and stockpile ammo. Hook up with like minded patriots and make plans on how you will get together WHEN the internet, phones and other means of electronic communications are shut down and where and how you will make your stand.

We can see the trajectory if we draw a stright line from the past to the future. We KNOW from all the information that we have read and seen where this is going. Do not be naive. Reject denial. You are NOT radical if you want to maintain your freedom and the integrity of YOUR Constitution and hold onto your own property and make your own choices and keep the fruit of your labor. You are NOT crazy for loathing the emergence of an authoritarian police state. Chances are you are a law abiding citizen, honest, hard working and you love your family and your country with all your heart. You are NOT the bad guy. They who trash the Constitution are. They who throw you in jail for excersizing your liberty or speaknig out or not obeying the commands of your servant in government-your employee ARE the bad guy. They are tyrants in modern times. They are Redcoats and Loyalists and Hessians and you are patriots. Remember that.

[Chester Copperpot]

Democrats are looking for someone to blame for their electoral woes — and Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Robert Menendez is working hard to make sure it’s not him.

Showing that they’ve learned the lesson of Massachusetts, Menendez and his staff will distribute a memo Tuesday advising Democratic campaign managers to frame their opponents early — and to drive a wedge between moderate voters and tea-party-style conservatives.

“Given the pressure Republican candidates feel from the extreme right in their party, there is a critical — yet time-sensitive — opportunity for Democratic candidates,” the DSCC writes. “We have a finite window when Republicans candidates will feel susceptible to the extremists in their party. Given the urgent nature of this dynamic, we suggest an aggressive effort to get your opponents on the record.”

The memo urges Democratic candidates to force their opponents to answer a series of questions on health care, taxes and some of the favorite causes of the far right:

“Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen? Do you think the 10th Amendment bars Congress from issuing regulations like minimum health care coverage standards? Do you think programs like Social Security and Medicare represent socialism and should never have been created in the first place? Do you think President Obama is a socialist? Do you think America should return to a gold standard?”




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31991.html

Robert Menendez is one of my senators.. The guy supports every bailout, every attempt at amnesty for illegals, everything with NAFTA..... the guy staffers have completely lied to me on issues 3 out of 4 times Ive called his office... They didnt lie to me on the 4th time because I yelled at them and said "you guys lie all the time and it really pisses me off,... Now dont tell me what you think I want to hear.. tell me the truth.."

The guy needs to get out of office;... he's a horrible American IMO.

[ItsTime]

Yup so lets attack the c4l! All guns blazing! Phone/fax/email bombs!


Oh wait.....