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Nathan Hale
01-24-2010, 09:04 PM
Hayworth isn't terrible (from politics1.com):

Former Congressman J.D. Hayworth (R) quit his radio talk show host job last week, as he prepares to make a GOP primary run against US Senator John McCain. "I think we all respect John. I think his place in history is secure. But after close to a quarter-century in Washington, it's time for him to come home," said Hayworth to the Arizona Star. Hayworth plans to make his candidacy official within the next few weeks. A Rasmussen poll last week showed McCain leading Hayworth by a 53-31 vote in the GOP primary, with anti-immigration activist Chris Simcox in third place at 4% ...

libertybrewcity
01-24-2010, 09:09 PM
Chris Simcox is a liberty candidate though. He is anti federal reserve, pro 10th amendment, and supports the rest of the constitution. On his issues page, he mentions 4 or 5 different amendments. I don't think he has that much of a chance now that Hayworth is in, but it's worth a shot.

MR2Fast2Catch
01-24-2010, 11:04 PM
Chris Simcox is a liberty candidate though. He is anti federal reserve, pro 10th amendment, and supports the rest of the constitution. On his issues page, he mentions 4 or 5 different amendments. I don't think he has that much of a chance now that Hayworth is in, but it's worth a shot.

Chris Simcox is pretty good. He does support an ID card of some sort, as a part of his hard stance on illegal immigration.

Jim Deakin is also in the race, and is considered a liberty candidate too. I haven't decided if I'll vote for Deakin or Simcox yet. Simcox seems better on foreign policy since he wants the US out of the UN, but Deakin has been vague on foreign policy, and supports the Afghanistan war for sure.

I do agree that Hayworth is marginally better than McCain. If anyone can beat McCain, it's Hayworth. I don't know if I'd vote for JD though. I'd probably choose between Simcox and Deakin instead.

BTW, Deakin is polling higher than Simcox, according the straw poll a week ago, Deakin got 15% while Simcox only got 5%, so he may be the one to go for.

Nathan Hale
01-25-2010, 01:03 PM
Problem is that with Hayworth in the race, Simcox isn't likely to gain traction, so we'd be throwing our money away supporting him. I believe Hayworth was in the Ron Paul's RLC, it might be worth supporting him so he beats McCain, who as we all know is just horrible.

erowe1
01-25-2010, 01:47 PM
I think Hayworth is pretty terrible. I can understand supporting him in protest to McCain. But he's nowhere close to the kind of candidates that we generally get behind actively here, and Simcox is.

Hayworth voted yes on No Child Left Behind, yes on CAFTA and all the other free trade agreements he could, yes on Medicare part D, and yes on all the war on terror stuff. Plus I believe he has some scandalous baggage from the Abramoff thing.

If we're looking for special candidates worth focusing the nationwide support of Ron Paul Republicans on, then I think there's no shortage of candidates more deserving of that than Hayworth.

heavenlyboy34
01-25-2010, 03:33 PM
If I had to pick from these 3, I would pick Simcox. He's more on board with a RP-type agenda, from the times I've heard him speak.

Nathan Hale
01-26-2010, 07:08 AM
If that's the case, than the key is to batch hayworth in with mccain by highlighting that vote history. Maybe a campaign of doing that publicly at GOP meetings will bring up Simcox's percentages/

MR2Fast2Catch
02-16-2010, 10:17 AM
Chris Simcox has dropped out and endorsed JD Hayworth. I guess Simcox was no liberty candidate if he can sacrifice his Constitional platform to endorse an establishment Republican like Hayworth.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Simcox_endorses_Hayworth.html?showall

We should put our full support behind Jim Deakin. He is the liberty candidate in this race for US Senate in Arizona.
http://jimdeakin.com

John Taylor
02-16-2010, 01:46 PM
Chris Simcox has dropped out and endorsed JD Hayworth. I guess Simcox was no liberty candidate if he can sacrifice his Constitional platform to endorse an establishment Republican like Hayworth.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Simcox_endorses_Hayworth.html?showall

We should put our full support behind Jim Deakin. He is the liberty candidate in this race for US Senate in Arizona.
http://jimdeakin.com

I'm not sure our supporting Deakin will be worth a hll of beans, to be blunt. I intend on voting for him, but hell, even Jill Bohnson's backers, if they were all in AZ and all backed Deakin, even they couldn't create the illusion of traction.

MR2Fast2Catch
02-16-2010, 02:23 PM
I'm not sure our supporting Deakin will be worth a hll of beans, to be blunt. I intend on voting for him, but hell, even Jill Bohnson's backers, if they were all in AZ and all backed Deakin, even they couldn't create the illusion of traction.

I'm not going to volunteer or donate, as I know my time and money can be utilized in other races better. This is destined to be a showdown between McCain and Hayworth, and Deakin is pretty much the protest vote to stand up against the big government republicans in principle.

I recommend voting for Deakin and supporting him by encouraging others to vote for him. But yes, I agree he has no chance at winning so our resources are better spent elsewhere.

Brian4Liberty
02-16-2010, 02:27 PM
Chris Simcox has dropped out and endorsed JD Hayworth. I guess Simcox was no liberty candidate if he can sacrifice his Constitional platform to endorse an establishment Republican like Hayworth.


Michael Savage had Hayworth on yesterday. They were advertising Hayworth's money bomb. I was surprised to hear the Simcox had dropped out. Is he returning donations to his campaign?

Nathan Hale
02-17-2010, 07:03 AM
Chris Simcox has dropped out and endorsed JD Hayworth. I guess Simcox was no liberty candidate if he can sacrifice his Constitional platform to endorse an establishment Republican like Hayworth.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Simcox_endorses_Hayworth.html?showall

We should put our full support behind Jim Deakin. He is the liberty candidate in this race for US Senate in Arizona.
http://jimdeakin.com

Simcox knows that the lesser evil conundrum is a viable problem, considering the way we vote. So I support him dropping out and endorsing the lesser evil, because he wasn't gaining the necessary traction. Perhaps this Jim Deakin can gain traction, but I don't see that happening considering the dynamics of the race.

And while Hayworth isn't a true liberty candidate, he's not the worst candidate in the world, especially considering that the pressure is on for him to position himself as a Constitutionalist. I'd much rather have Hayworth than McCain.

Juan McCain
02-23-2010, 08:45 AM
Chris Simcox has dropped out and endorsed JD Hayworth.
. . .
We should put our full support behind Jim Deakin. He is the liberty candidate in this race for US Senate in Arizona.
http://jimdeakin.com

I wouldn't put it past McCain for a smear campaign against Simcox -
maybe (?) putting his wife up to stories about how Simcox had gone off the deep end and fearing for their kid's safety . . .
no idea and don't really care if any of that is true.

While support for Deakin is where we should now probably be . . . see/youtube.com/watch?v=WvRjDFTm6tQ
.
YouTube - Jim Deakin on MSNBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvRjDFTm6tQ)

just getting national media attention for a border state primary race is great for RonPaul2012 . . .

So I believe national attention soars with both the liberty candidate and a former U.S. Congressman in the hunt
on this issue together against the Double Talk Express. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/09/us/politics/09arizona.html

McCain is in deep quicksand here . . . and the George Stephanopoulos etc. group of pundits
will not even care all that much because it will still be a Republican seat in the Senate.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/juanmccain01.jpg

AZ Libertarian
02-23-2010, 11:57 AM
Michael Savage had Hayworth on yesterday. They were advertising Hayworth's money bomb. I was surprised to hear the Simcox had dropped out. Is he returning donations to his campaign?

If he is he owes me $300!

Cowlesy
02-23-2010, 12:05 PM
His campaign was wallowing in debts when I looked at his September 2009 report.

Juan McCain
03-12-2010, 08:37 AM
While Simcox may have been personally smeared out of contention and dropped out -
the issue won't be going away in the border state races with national implications.

Graham [R-SC] and McCain [R-AZ] "are pushing hard to reward these criminals who
smuggled themselves across our borders with jobs that belong to Americans and naturalized citizens.
It is beyond an outrage, it is a slap in the face for all of us."

A new bill introduced in the House brought to our attention by MSNBC Hardball contributor Pat Buchanan.
http://buchanan.org/blog/finally-a-bill-to-get-the-us-out-of-nafta-3722

H. R. 4759

To provide for the withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

March 4, 2010

Mr. TAYLOR (for himself, Mr. JONES, Mr. DEFAZIO, Mr. STUPAK, Mr. ARCURI, Mr. BACA, Mr. BARTLETT,
Mr. BRALEY of Iowa, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. COSTELLO, Mr. FILNER, Mr. GRIJALVA, Mr. HARE, Mr. HINCHEY,
Mr. KAGEN, Ms. KAPTUR, Mr. KILDEE, Mr. KISSELL, Mr. KUCINICH, Mr. MASSA, Mr. MCINTYRE, Mr. MICHAUD,
Mr. PAUL, Mr. SCHAUER, Mr. VISCLOSKY, Mr. WILSON of Ohio, Ms. WOOLSEY, and Mr. STARK)
introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means

SECTION 1. WITHDRAWAL OF THE UNITED STATES FROM THE NAFTA.

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