Libertarian test (Powaqqatsi)

[senatorpjt]

I think anyone who wants to consider themselves a libertarian should watch this before making the decision. It doesn't take sides, it is what it is:

http://rutube.ru/tracks/113749.html?v=7302b6fe663f5491e1173040d275f5cb&autoStart=true&bmstart=196

Of course, comments from people who have actually watched it are appreciated.

[hugolp]

Thanks for the video. It shows the results of socialism and interventionism.

It reinforced my beliefs against socialism and for libertarianism. Libertarianism is the only way those people can improve their lifes.

[steve005]

But restoring the republican party to its true conservative nature and getting rid of the neocon tyrants is our number one priority

[disorderlyvision]

But restoring the republican party to its true conservative nature and getting rid of the neocon tyrants is our number one priority

your #1 priority

[FrankRep]

your #1 priority

Ron Paul's #1 priority.

[disorderlyvision]

Ron Paul's #1 priority.

source? It seems to me he has higher priorities than ousting neocons

[FrankRep]

source? It seems to me he has higher priorities than ousting neocons

Restoring the Republican party to its true conservative nature

[disorderlyvision]

Restoring the Republican party to its true conservative nature


YouTube - Ron Paul on civil disobedience (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di7O-x6Bgqg&feature=related)

Not just the GOP and peaceful civil disobedience ala Gandhi and MLK, Jr.

Try again "it's not just about ONE party" (thanks for posting the vid in another thread LLS)

[FrankRep]

Try again "it's not just about ONE party" (thanks for posting the vid in another thread LLS)
Good luck making the Democrat Party more Conservative.

[disorderlyvision]

Good luck making the Democrat Party more Conservative.

and where did I say anything about that exactly????

you claimed that reclaiming the republican party is RP's #1 goal I disagree. You have said nothing to sway me the other way, and then put words in my mouth, insinuating that I implied something that I clearly didn't.

Now, RP might think it a good idea to try, with utter futility, to take over the republican party with people of his integrity. it may even be a goal of his, but it is nowhere close to his #1 priority I would suspect that it doesn't even rank in his top 10 to do list.

[FrankRep]

and where did I say anything about that exactly????

you claimed that reclaiming the republican party is RP's #1 goal I disagree. You have said nothing to sway me the other way, and then put words in my mouth, insinuating that I implied something that I clearly didn't.

Now, RP might think it a good idea to try, with utter futility, to take over the republican party with people of his integrity. it may even be a goal of his, but it is nowhere close to his #1 priority I would suspect that it doesn't even rank in his top 10 to do list.
We want to reduce the size of government, practice a non-interventionist foreign policy, and abolish the Federal Reserve & restore sound money.

Okay. HOW?

[disorderlyvision]

We want to reduce the size of government, practice a non-interventionist foreign policy, and abolish the Federal Reserve & restore sound money.

Okay. HOW?

How did 1207 get past the house?

[LibertyEagle]

Restoring the Republican party to its true conservative nature

It's only a means to an end. Restoring the Republican party means absolutely nothing, if that isn't used successfully to reinstate our constitutional republic.

[FrankRep]

How did 1207 get past the house?

Ron Paul indicates on CNBC that he will vote against 1207 since it will be amended to a larger, Fed-enhancing financial reform package.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1339737581

[FrankRep]

It's only a means to an end. Restoring the Republican party means absolutely nothing, if that isn't used successfully to reinstate our constitutional republic.

I agree, the GOAL is restoring back the Constitutional Republic.
Liberty candidates mean nothing if they can't get elected.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Anyone ever think about instead of restoring the Constitution, restoring the Articles of Confederation?

[FrankRep]

Anyone ever think about instead of restoring the Constitution, restoring the Articles of Confederation?
I'm a big Patrick Henry fan. You just opened up a big can of worms.

If it's nearly impossible to get back to the Constitution, just imagine how difficult it would be to get back the Articles of Confederation.

[disorderlyvision]

Ron Paul indicates on CNBC that he will vote against 1207 since it will be amended to a larger, Fed-enhancing financial reform package.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1339737581

he has said he was going to vote against it since he introduced it. what exactly is your point? my point was that it still made it through the house without the overthrow of the republican party. and as far as I can tell Kokesh, Rand, Schiff, RJ, etc haven't been elected, and even if they were that is only a couple more votes/co-sponsors, and it wouldn't have made a difference on that bill. if you think we are going to elect 535 constitutional republicans with libertarian/minarchist ideologies in the near future you are naive and utopian.

you still havent addressed how taking over the republican party is RP's #1 priority, his main focus, the one thing he thinks about before he goes to bed every night. you keep dodging it. why don't you just say you were wrong about it and move on?

[disorderlyvision]

Anyone ever think about instead of restoring the Constitution, restoring the Articles of Confederation?

The AoC had its limits too, besides I thought you were an an-cap, why would you support that?

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The AoC had its limits too, besides I thought you were an an-cap, why would you support that?

I don't support it, I'm just wondering if the minarchists here have thought about returning to the AoC instead since it is, a much more limited Governance. If they really care about State sovereignty then they should be Pro-AoC since it basically puts 99% of the power in the states hands.

[FrankRep]

you still havent addressed how taking over the republican party is RP's #1 priority, his main focus, the one thing he thinks about before he goes to bed every night. you keep dodging it. why don't you just say you were wrong about it and move on?
Even if I'm wrong about Ron Paul's #1 priority being to reform the Republican party, it is silly to think it's a low priority for Ron Paul. Why didn't Ron Paul run for the Libertarian party? The Republican party sucks, but it's the best chance you have of getting elected.

Are Medina, Kokesh, Rand, Schiff, and RJ running as Republicans? Imagine that.

[FrankRep]

Anyone ever think about instead of restoring the Constitution, restoring the Articles of Confederation?
Speaking of which.

Texas Nationalist Movement!
http://www.TexasNationalist.com/

I feel better now. :D

[low preference guy]

Anyone ever think about instead of restoring the Constitution, restoring the Articles of Confederation?

You're clueless if you believe that's possible in the short term. There should be a philosophical REVOLUTION before that can be achieved. If Americans get together to write a new political document, it will be very inspired in the Communist Manifesto.

[disorderlyvision]

Why didn't Ron Paul run for the Libertarian party?

Umm...He Has, and in 08 he couldn't run third party as he signed a contract not to in order to enter the primaries. and being the man of integrity that he is did not wish to violate his contract.

I believe it is a realitively low priority to him. it seems in his speeches he places considerably more emphasis on things like abolishing the fed, sound money, getting rid of taxes/irs, getting rid of many of the other alphabet soup agencies, curbing the welfare/ warfare state, educating people, austrian economics, and somewhere down the line he is worried about correcting the republican party. If you noticed, earlier i said it may even be a goal of his. i didn't claim that it is not an issue he isnt concerned with at all, but yes I would say that it ranks fairly low on his priority list, and nowhere near his first and foremost priority.

perhaps the others are running as republicans, because the two party leviathan controls the debates, etc. and it is their way of trying to get elected. they are also RINO's as they have a libertarian philosophy, not a republican one.

[inibo]

OK, I watched about 10 minutes of the linked video. Watching a bunch of people carrying stuff is very poignant, but I don't get it. Are they trying to say slavery is bad? I knew that already.