You are a Slave to the Government

[Truth-Bringer]

You are a Slave to the Government

Not sure who this guy is, but he makes some interesting points:

YouTube - you are a slave to the Government (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHxvVuIxJ9A)

And this video is from Rob Menard, the freedom fighter in Canada. Detailed step-by-step explanation of how governments have used legal deception to steal all of our rights:

http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/videos/think_free_gov_deception.htm (Breaking Free of Government Deception)

He's a great story teller, but he's going through a lot of information at a fairly quick pace. You can use the pause button to study the slides. One of the most interesting lectures I've ever watched.

[The Patriot]

We are slaves to our government in the sense they own our income and we only get to keep a portion of it.

[MN Patriot]

We are slaves to our government in the sense they own our income and we only get to keep a portion of it.

And that is why the liberty movement needs to end the income tax. We need politicians who explicitly state that they want to END the income tax. Not reduce taxes.
I have yet to see ANY candidate propose ending the income tax as part of their campaign.

[phill4paul]

And that is why the liberty movement needs to end the income tax. We need politicians who explicitly state that they want to END the income tax. Not reduce taxes.
I have yet to see ANY candidate propose ending the income tax as part of their campaign.

"There can be only one......"

YouTube - RON PAUL determined to abolish Income Tax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvIb83Yyx2c)

[Danke]

And this video is from Rob Menard, the freedom fighter in Canada. Detailed step-by-step explanation of how governments have used legal deception to steal all of our rights:

http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/videos/think_free_gov_deception.htm (Breaking Free of Government Deception)



More from Mr. Menard:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2255198&postcount=12

[Volitzer]

16th Amendment improperly ratified.‏

This is my absolute favorite anti-income-tax argument. Most claims that Americans aren't required to pay income tax rely on legal interpretations so tortured only a tax resister could possibly believe them. But the Ohio thing has just enough plausibility to give even sane people pause.
It all started when Ohio was preparing to celebrate the 150th anniversary of its admission to the Union in 1953. Researchers looking for the original statehood documents discovered there'd been a little oversight. While Congress had approved Ohio's boundaries and constitution, it had never passed a resolution formally admitting the future land of the Buckeyes. Technically, therefore, Ohio was not a state.
Predictably, when this came to light it was the subject of much merriment. One senator joshingly suggested that his colleagues from Ohio were drawing federal paychecks under false pretenses.
But Ohio congressman George Bender thought it was no laughing matter. He introduced a bill in Congress to admit Ohio to the Union retroactive to March 1, 1803. At a special session at the old state capital in Chillicothe the Ohio state legislature approved a new petition for statehood that was delivered to Washington on horseback. Congress subsequently passed a joint resolution, and President Eisenhower, after a few more jokes, signed it on August 7, 1953.
But then the tax resisters got to work. They argued that since Ohio wasn't officially a state until 1953, its ratification of the 16th Amendment in 1911 was invalid, and thus Congress had no authority to enact an income tax.
Baloney, argued rational folk. A sufficient number of states voted for ratification even if you don't count Ohio.
OK, said the resisters, but the proposed amendment had been introduced to Congress by the administration of William H. Taft. Taft had been born in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1857. The Constitution requires that presidents be natural-born citizens of the United States. Since Ohio was not a state in 1857, Taft was not a natural-born citizen, could not legally be president, and could not legally introduce the 16th Amendment. (Presumably one would also have problems with anything done by presidents Grant, Hayes, Garfield, B. Harrison, McKinley, and Harding, who were also born in Ohio.)
Get off it, the rationalists replied. The 1953 resolution retroactively admitted Ohio as of 1803, thereby rendering all subsequent events copacetic.
Uh-uh, said the resisters. The constitution says the Congress shall make no ex post facto law. That means no retroactive admissions to statehood.
Uh, we'll get back to you on that, said the rationalists.
A call to the IRS elicited the following official statement: "The courts have . . . rejected claims that the Sixteenth Amendment . . . was not properly ratified. . . . In Porth v. Brodrick, 214 F.2d 925 (10th Circuit 1954), the court dismissed an attack on the Sixteenth Amendment as being 'clearly unsubstantial and without merit,' as well as 'far fetched and frivolous.'"
Just one problem. The Porth decision didn't specifically address the Ohio argument. It just sort of spluttered that attacks on the 16th Amendment were stupid.
OK, they're stupid. But great matters have turned on seemingly sillier points of law. It's not like the Ohio argument couldn't have been defeated on the merits. One suspects that from a legal standpoint "ex post facto" doesn't mean exactly the same thing as "retroactive." And of course the weight of 150 years of history, during which time everyone thought Ohio had been properly admitted, ought to count for something.
I'm not defending the crackpots. But if you're a parent you recognize that "because I said so" isn't much of an argument. Guess it's different if you're a judge.

[Volitzer]

http://www.believeinamerica.com/index.php

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

Get active with the Constitution Party in your state.

[MN Patriot]

"There can be only one......"

YouTube - RON PAUL determined to abolish Income Tax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvIb83Yyx2c)

Of course Ron Paul has the guts to propose ending the income tax, but the rest of the weak kneed Establishment politicians view us as their slaves.

This should be the #1 issue for the Campaign for Liberty. Get politicians elected who will go to their legislature or the Congress and put forth bills to end the income tax. The first step to creating a tax revolt and ending the income tax is in my signature below -->

[Truth-Bringer]

And that is why the liberty movement needs to end the income tax. We need politicians who explicitly state that they want to END the income tax. Not reduce taxes.
I have yet to see ANY candidate propose ending the income tax as part of their campaign.

Besides Ron Paul of course. But Ron Paul is not seeking more power. The other clowns in Washington don't want to end it because they know it will limit their power. Remember, most politicians are prestige seekers. They want everyone to believe that they have the power to save you, protect you, make you prosperous, educate you, etc. They want you to think that you couldn't survive without them. But of course that's total nonsense.

[CasualApathy]

Why can't I just be a slave to a hot chick?! :(

[akforme]

We are slaves to our government in the sense they own our income and we only get to keep a portion of it.

And the sense that you don't own your body, you don't have final say in your home, or with your kids, and we run around screaming we're free we're free.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

You are a Slave to the Government

Not sure who this guy is, but he makes some interesting points:

YouTube - you are a slave to the Government (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHxvVuIxJ9A)

And this video is from Rob Menard, the freedom fighter in Canada. Detailed step-by-step explanation of how governments have used legal deception to steal all of our rights:

http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/videos/think_free_gov_deception.htm (Breaking Free of Government Deception)

He's a great story teller, but he's going through a lot of information at a fairly quick pace. You can use the pause button to study the slides. One of the most interesting lectures I've ever watched.

The greatest tyrant to ever live, Saul, could never be forgiven for his blasphemy. So, God being supremely efficient, transformed him into the servant Apostle Paul by converting him into a Christian. After all was said and done, the Apostle Paul, God's chosen vessel, concluded that when given a choice between being a ruling master or a serving slave that it is better to remain a slave.
That's right folks! This wasn't Adolph Hitler saying this! This was someone who was worse than Hitler before his conversion!

[kahless]

We are slaves to our government in the sense they own our income and we only get to keep a portion of it.

They also do not allow us to outright own property without renting it from them through property taxes.

[romacox]

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This should be the #1 issue for the Campaign for Liberty. Get politicians elected who will go to their legislature or the Congress and put forth bills to end the income tax. The first step to creating a tax revolt and ending the income tax is in my signature below -->

This is an excellent thread... very interesting. Many people support "Fair Tax", but it does not really lower taxes... it is not the solution.

Ron Paul: ""I will also pursue true free trade with low tariffs and less burdensome regulation. However, I reject the 'managed trade' approach of the World Trade Organization, North American Free Trade Agreement and Central American Free Trade Agreement." http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1361908.php/GOP_Ron_Pauls_platform_in_his_words

Our Founding Fathers implemented tariffs to encourage Americans, who were overly dependent on goods from England, to buy American. It was a security and a sovereignty issue. Today we face a similar situation, except it is now China rather than England.

Kahless is so correct about property taxes. The history of that is very interesting. Property taxes, gun permits, and marriage licenses all came to power after the war between the States.

I sure hope we can keep this thread respectful and void of any verbal diarrhea. Because most of you have excellent ideas...even if you disagree with me.:)

The meaning of the pyramid on the dollar bill: He who is on the North side of the Pyramid is correct in what he sees, but does not see what the man on the South side sees, who is also correct. The all seeing eye at the top sees all sides, and does not choose one over the other. That was the vision of the Founding Fathers. We no longer practice it in the U.S., and sometimes not even on this forum.

I do not agree 100% with the Anarco/ caps. But they do have some good ideas about how to reduce the size of government/ lowering taxes. I have peaked on their side of the pyramid, and they are well worth listening to when they are not rude. the same goes for everyone else here from whom I have learned so much.

P.S. the same goes for the Tea Party. I have peaked on their side lately too. I can't agree with them 100%, but I am sure glad the American people have begun to awaken. It is not we, the people, who are the enemy. it is those behind the Federal Reserve we need to be angry at.

[The Patriot]

This is an excellent thread... very interesting. Many people support "Fair Tax", but it does not really lower taxes... it is not the solution.

Ron Paul: ""I will also pursue true free trade with low tariffs and less burdensome regulation. However, I reject the 'managed trade' approach of the World Trade Organization, North American Free Trade Agreement and Central American Free Trade Agreement." http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1361908.php/GOP_Ron_Pauls_platform_in_his_words

Our Founding Fathers implemented tariffs to encourage Americans, who were overly dependent on goods from England, to buy American. It was a security and a sovereignty issue. Today we face a similar situation, except it is now China rather than England.

Kahless is so correct about property taxes. The history of that is very interesting. Property taxes, gun permits, and marriage licenses all came to power after the war between the States.

I sure hope we can keep this thread respectful and void of any verbal diarrhea. Because most of you have excellent ideas...even if you disagree with me.:)

The meaning of the pyramid on the dollar bill: He who is on the North side of the Pyramid is correct in what he sees, but does not see what the man on the South side sees, who is also correct. The all seeing eye at the top sees all sides, and does not choose one over the other. That was the vision of the Founding Fathers. We no longer practice it in the U.S., and sometimes not even on this forum.

I do not agree 100% with the Anarco/ caps. But they do have some good ideas about how to reduce the size of government/ lowering taxes. I have peaked on their side of the pyramid, and they are well worth listening to when they are not rude. the same goes for everyone else here from whom I have learned so much.

P.S. the same goes for the Tea Party. I have peaked on their side lately too. I can't agree with them 100%, but I am sure glad the American people have begun to awaken. It is not we, the people, who are the enemy. it is those behind the Federal Reserve we need to be angry at.

How about instead of raising taxes and raising the price burden on consumers, why not lower corporate tax rates, halve them, or eliminate them outright? Our federal corporate tax rate is 35% as opposed to China's corporate tax rate of 25%. To compete worldwide and bring back businesses, we need to lower the tax burden and make it desirable to set up shop in this country. Before we make rash decisions like raising tariffs and getting in a tariff war which would hurt American consumers and increase the bureaucracy we ought to reform and/or eliminate the burdensome tax code.

http://www.qbalance.com/Corporate_Tax_Rates_United_States.htm
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8382

[Stary Hickory]

Wow that was awesome thanks for post. I'll send it out to peeps. Amazing, this guy needs to do more stuff.

[Stary Hickory]

More from Mr. Menard:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2255198&postcount=12

Yeah but who is the guy in the first video?....Mr. Menard and the American Indian guy in the first video seem totally different.