great quote from Frank Zappa

[akforme]

I love this guy, he spoke more truth than many will ever know. He once said in an interview about the presidency that if he didn't know shit from shinola could he do any worse?

Anyway, here's the great quote, and I found it on democratic underground from a poster doing his best to wake them up.



"The illusion of freedom in America will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
--Frank Zappa, 1977

[0zzy]

I love this guy, he spoke more truth than many will ever know. He once said in an interview about the presidency that if he didn't know shit from shinola could he do any worse?

Anyway, here's the great quote, and I found it on democratic underground from a poster doing his best to wake them up.



"The illusion of freedom in America will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
--Frank Zappa, 1977

Smart guy, controversial too if I do recall. I was -13 when this quote was made.

[berrybunches]

Zappa on the Senate floor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa


The establishment of a rating system, voluntary or otherwise, opens the door to an endless parade of moral quality control programs based on things certain Christians do not like. What if the next bunch of Washington wives demands a large yellow "J" on all material written or performed by Jews, in order to save helpless children from exposure to concealed Zionist doctrine?

lol gotta love the guy.

Whenever I read one of his quotes, for some reason I always apply one of his strange melodies and unusual singing voice to it in the back of my head. Maybe it was all the Zappa my dad use to blare in the living room when I was in elementary school.
He was a strangely brilliant man in many ways.

[BenIsForRon]

That is a good quote.

Freedom is profitable as long as oil and other commodities are cheap. Once there are not enough to go around...

[Krugerrand]

And how many of you knew that Frank Zappa made a guest appearance on the Monkees!

YouTube - Mike Nesmith and Frank Zappa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgNxuNaYHsk)

[pcosmar]

Always liked Zappa.
Interesting mind and a fantastic musician.

YouTube - Frank Zappa on Crossfire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc&feature=related)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc

[fisharmor]

One thing he said that I try to live every day now...

"The first thing you have to do if you want to raise nice kids, is you have to talk to them like they are people instead of talking to them like they're property. "

[roho76]

Always liked Zappa.
Interesting mind and a fantastic musician.

YouTube - Frank Zappa on Crossfire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc&feature=related)

"Millions of dollars", "Millions of dollars, Mr. Lofton"

Classic!

That's guys a scum bag.

[fisharmor]

Oh, man, I LOVED that crossfire interview.
You can tell that Frank is editing himself as he speaks, taking what he wants to say down about 30 IQ points, in the hopes that he'll get something across to these dolts...

...I hope every one of them is alive today to see what Frank was talking about. Today's kids aren't just getting hot for teacher: they've got an a blistering array of websites showing teacher doing graphic things these kids couldn't have thought up if they were trying. And now parents and legislators are being FORCED to do what Frank suggested: work to change the culture instead of suppressing it.

Every day now I thank that same Christian God for the internet. It's doing its utmost to force us not to be such dumbasses anymore.

[Krugerrand]

Excellent crossfire interview.

I would disagree with his assessment that we're headed towards a Fascist Theocracy - but I can see how that would have been perceived during the 80's. I think the momentum towards fascism will ride any wave it can ... theocratic, national security, socialism.

[getch36]

I loved that video,Frank was so calm and logical,Kinda reminded me of RP.

[stilltrying]

Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)

Read up on your Zappa and the other hippies. Mostly all sons and daughters of US Intelligence Agency. Doors, Hendirx, Joplin, Nash, Stills, etc... Talk about controlled opposition.

Zappa was the ring leader and based upon this link seems to play the part well.

[nelsonwinters]

Here's something interesting... John Lofton, the annoying guy giving Frank a hard time apparently is now part of the Constitution Party. Here's an article from him discussing his move from the Republican party to the Constitution party:

http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=340

[ARealConservative]

I believe John Lofton has become a little more of an individualist now.

He belongs to the Constitution Party and endorsed Peroutka in 2004 when Baldwin was his running mate.

[ARealConservative]

Here's something interesting... John Lofton, the annoying guy giving Frank a hard time apparently is now part of the Constitution Party. Here's an article from him discussing his move from the Republican party to the Constitution party:

http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=340

oops, didn't notice you already pointed this out

[undergroundrr]

Zappa expressed liberty in his music better than anyone ever. He was a great interview subject as well. Here's a couple more you can find in WikiQuote -

"The most important thing to do in your life is to not interfere with somebody else's life. " -
1987: on The Howard Stern Show

And directly to Tipper Gore - "May your shit come to life and kiss you on the face. "

But his most beautiful statement had little to do with politics. "Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best."

[berrybunches]

Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)

Read up on your Zappa and the other hippies. Mostly all sons and daughters of US Intelligence Agency. Doors, Hendirx, Joplin, Nash, Stills, etc... Talk about controlled opposition.

Zappa was the ring leader and based upon this link seems to play the part well.

A lot of these people had families in the military, not US intelligence agencies. Forcing their children into playing music from early ages to form some kind of future rock and roll takeover to control hippies is more than a bit far stretched. These were the innovators of modern rock. I wouldn't give the government that much credit.

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

A lot of these people had families in the military, not US intelligence agencies. Forcing their children into playing music from early ages to form some kind of future rock and roll takeover to control hippies is more than a bit far stretched. These were the innovators of modern rock. I wouldn't give the government that much credit.

Who doesn't rebel against their parents anyway?

[gb13]

Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)

Read up on your Zappa and the other hippies. Mostly all sons and daughters of US Intelligence Agency. Doors, Hendirx, Joplin, Nash, Stills, etc... Talk about controlled opposition.

Zappa was the ring leader and based upon this link seems to play the part well.

Interesting read... but no citations at all.

And who's to say they weren't rebelling against their families above all.

[Danke]

Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)

Read up on your Zappa and the other hippies. Mostly all sons and daughters of US Intelligence Agency. Doors, Hendirx, Joplin, Nash, Stills, etc... Talk about controlled opposition.

Zappa was the ring leader and based upon this link seems to play the part well.

Calling IP! IP! Where are you?!

http://www.headinjurytheater.com/images/S&M%20gazoo%202.jpg

[Chester Copperpot]

Hey check it outl.. IT looks like John Lofton had an epiphany back in 2004... Hes now a constitutionalist.

http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=340

From John Lofton Recovering Republican, 2004...



And long gone has been any reference, by almost all Republicans to our Constitution. I am alluding here, of course, to at least Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.) -- maybe only Ron Paul.

[ARealConservative]

Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)

Read up on your Zappa and the other hippies. Mostly all sons and daughters of US Intelligence Agency. Doors, Hendirx, Joplin, Nash, Stills, etc... Talk about controlled opposition.

Zappa was the ring leader and based upon this link seems to play the part well.

This is the most ridiculous link ever posted on RPF.

It has no actual facts, and seems to not even realize that the cultural mecca of the so called hippy movement was San Francisco.

[Pericles]

"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer."
Frank Zappa

[berrybunches]

"The first thing you have to do if you want to raise nice kids, is you have to talk to them like they are people instead of talking to them like they're property. "

"The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents — because they have a tame child-creature in their house. " - Zappa

[johnrocks]

Can you believe this guy Lofton seemed to have supported Ron Paul though.
http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=340

[undergroundrr]

Excellent crossfire interview.

I would disagree with his assessment that we're headed towards a Fascist Theocracy - but I can see how that would have been perceived during the 80's. I think the momentum towards fascism will ride any wave it can ... theocratic, national security, socialism.

You're right about the irrelevance of the vehicle fascism chooses.

In a sense fascist theocracy prevailed during the Bush era, whether you believe the theo part of it was genuine or not. Bush's power almost seemed to be elevated to the extent that the religious right allowed him to take on the role of religious leader. A religious leader can control the conversation of followers like no-one else.

Zappa again from WikiQuote - "The essence of Christianity is told to us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the Tree of Knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just kept your fucking mouth shut and hadn't asked any questions. " - Interview, Playboy, May 2, 1993

[Romulus]

Frank had it half right.. but he failed to see (at that time) the war that the culture industry wages. It's a war to demoralize us.

[revolutionary8]

pause the Zappa Crossfire video @ 3:15
all those that are awakened understand that they are CONSERVATIONISTS.

Zappa is/was the man.


ps.. did you notice that the song/video played in the beginning was DURAN DURAN? ;)

Nah, I bet you didn't. ;)
NO WONDER Zappa feared "theofascism", he was right, only it was co-opted just like the tea parties of today. He underestimated. Not only would "his" movement be co-opted, the "opposition" would be co-opted as well. I find that no matter how many people try to demonize the human race, not many people see the worst in people.
Usual Suspects.

"you've got sirens for a welcome, there's blood stains for your pain. And your telephone's been ringin' while you're "dancing in the rain."...

WORDS.


YouTube - Duran Duran - Wild boys (long version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCWyYOOS8FQ)

Slave around much? KNow anyone that does?

[payme_rick]

Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)

Read up on your Zappa and the other hippies. Mostly all sons and daughters of US Intelligence Agency. Doors, Hendirx, Joplin, Nash, Stills, etc... Talk about controlled opposition.

Zappa was the ring leader and based upon this link seems to play the part well.

wow... just... wow...

:confused:

[YumYum]

"One Size Fits All" is one of my favorite albums of all time.

[Artie Fufkin]

Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)

Read up on your Zappa and the other hippies. Mostly all sons and daughters of US Intelligence Agency. Doors, Hendirx, Joplin, Nash, Stills, etc... Talk about controlled opposition.

Zappa was the ring leader and based upon this link seems to play the part well.


stoptrying

[phill4paul]

LOL, Artie Fufkin...great handle.:D

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I love this guy, he spoke more truth than many will ever know. He once said in an interview about the presidency that if he didn't know shit from shinola could he do any worse?

Anyway, here's the great quote, and I found it on democratic underground from a poster doing his best to wake them up.



"The illusion of freedom in America will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
--Frank Zappa, 1977

Yes, the goal is to see if the people can be entertained by a brick wall (laugh).
Next, the goal will to see if people will tolerate others being killed by bricks (laugh).
The ultimate goal will be to use the people as bricks (applause).
In other words, it is intimately our fault. We don't have to laugh and we don't have to applaud. We can just hold our peace. Why make it easy?
Remember back in the stark days of pimping and whoring when a tyrant's best friend was a coleseum?

[YumYum]

Excellent crossfire interview.

I would disagree with his assessment that we're headed towards a Fascist Theocracy - but I can see how that would have been perceived during the 80's. I think the momentum towards fascism will ride any wave it can ... theocratic, national security, socialism.

I believe Zappa, like Ron Paul, was a brilliant visionary. Both Ron and Frank predict we are headed for fascism in this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLDzDklTRU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLDzDklTRU&feature=related

[Zippyjuan]

Zapa was an interesting guy. Never afraid to say what was on his mind. Did get to actually see him in concert once. Unfortunately what most people know him for is that weird dude who did that song about eating yellow snow.

[Krugerrand]

wow, old thread. since we're back on it, I'll re-post his Monkees appearance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgNxuNaYHsk

[AGRP]

The Tavistock elite analyzed all the media, including radio, music, movies, magazines, pop-art, and TV. In August 1959, Fred Emery, a Tavistock senior staffer, wrote an article titled,Working Hypotheses on the Psychology of Television. He stated, “The psychological after-effects of television are of considerable interest to the would-be social engineer.”

According to Dr. John Coleman, a disgruntled intelligence agent, Tavistock created the love affair between our youth and the Beatles. It is impossible to understand the frenzy and mass hysteria created by the Beatles without knowledge of mass-psychology and mass-manipulation. Coleman claimed the crowds had been tutored by earlier news footage. When the Beatles first arrived in JFK airport in 1964, busloads of girls from a local Bronx school had been paid to scream hysterically. They duplicated this effort for the first few events, and this trend perpetuated, as all good fads do.

If Dr. Coleman is correct, then the amazing coincidences behind America’s early Rock and Roll scene become more logical. As investigative journalist David McGowan has documented, our early musicians all bypassed the three centers of music in Detroit, New York City, and Nashville to assemble in Laurel Canyon in California, where there was no live music scene and no music producers. They eventually created their own scene, most likely with a little help from their friends at Tavistock.

More surprisingly – or perhaps not – most of these musicians came from families immersed in military intelligence, including Jim Morrison whose father was an Admiral. (Others included Frank Zappa, David Crosby, Stephen Stills, Cory Wells, Mike Nesmith, John Phillips, Cass Elliott, Joni Mitchell, and Jackson Browne, to name a select few.)

One of the founders of the Rand Corporation, Albert Wohlstetter, also made Laurel Canyon his home and conducted seminars there. The Rand Corporation is a think tank affiliated with Tavistock, not coincidentally.

Perhaps a future social scientist will propose a theory that explains how such a mass awakening occurred at the same time as the arrival of Rock and Roll. This revolutionary music helped radically change an entire generation … and each succeeding one.

http://www.thenorthwestreport.com/cultural-marxism-the-doom-of-language/