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speciallyblend
01-21-2010, 04:34 PM
http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/138859
USA TODAY
http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=coloradoan&sParam=32591853.story

http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20100121/NEWS/100129910/-1/RSS
and basically 6 other papers,

plus i will be on cbs4 news denver at 6pm.

this will be my last post for RPF, over mods changing my thread titles. if folks want to keep up on story google it.

goodbye rpf signing out from the nazis on rpf!!!

sratiug
01-21-2010, 05:31 PM
I just heard Ron Paul say in a speech posted on these forums that he wanted to end the failed war on drugs. Should the mods censor him?

Bruno
01-21-2010, 05:37 PM
http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/138859
USA TODAY
http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=coloradoan&sParam=32591853.story

http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20100121/NEWS/100129910/-1/RSS
and basically 6 other papers,

plus i will be on cbs4 news denver at 6pm.

this will be my last post for RPF, over mods changing my thread titles. if folks want to keep up on story google it.

goodbye rpf signing out from the nazis on rpf!!!

don't go! We need u here!

dannno
01-21-2010, 05:43 PM
It was reported in the Texas Tribune today that
[Debra Medina] has questioned the state mandate that children attend school, is open to decriminalizing marijuana and calls for repealing the state's concealed handgun law.

http://www.texastribune.org/stories/2010/jan/20/medina-mystique/


I am still baffled as to why these forums suddenly don't like talking about cannabis openly without stifling.

SpeciallyBlend is making serious strides in increasing the liberty in his local area using the political structure, I don't see why he can't talk about it openly here in the proper subforum. Maybe the subforum won't be open to the public, maybe it could be, but at least let the members keep up to date on this stuff.

Bruno
01-21-2010, 05:45 PM
It was reported in the Texas Tribune today that

http://www.texastribune.org/stories/2010/jan/20/medina-mystique/


I am still baffled as to why these forums suddenly don't like talking about that which not shall be named openly.

fixed :rolleyes:

dannno
01-21-2010, 06:19 PM
bump

BuddyRey
01-21-2010, 09:06 PM
I must be really out of the loop. What happened, and why is SB leaving?

I hope you come back, SB! Your stories about getting positive changes made through the legislature were very inspiring!

sratiug
01-22-2010, 03:34 PM
I must be really out of the loop. What happened, and why is SB leaving?

I hope you come back, SB! Your stories about getting positive changes made through the legislature were very inspiring!

Something about a thread title that said getting a weed legalization question on a town ballot was a victory for the revolution. (joke don't ban me bro) Some mods had been smokin too much and it made them paranoid. /joke

Marijuana is the largest cash crop in the country. I guess we hate farmers.

jkr
01-22-2010, 03:41 PM
industrial use still ok...?

Austin
01-22-2010, 03:43 PM
SB are you gonna run a blog or something that I can follow? I enjoy your updates.

LibertyEagle
01-22-2010, 03:50 PM
It was reported in the Texas Tribune today that

http://www.texastribune.org/stories/2010/jan/20/medina-mystique/


I am still baffled as to why these forums suddenly don't like talking about cannabis openly without stifling.

SpeciallyBlend is making serious strides in increasing the liberty in his local area using the political structure, I don't see why he can't talk about it openly here in the proper subforum. Maybe the subforum won't be open to the public, maybe it could be, but at least let the members keep up to date on this stuff.

No one is stopping him from talking about it.

TonySutton
01-22-2010, 03:53 PM
I am getting confused...

If I understand correctly you can talk about cannabis as long as you do not inhale.

Edit: on a side note, the google ad says "marriage is sogay" :P

MsDoodahs
01-22-2010, 04:01 PM
I am still baffled as to why these forums suddenly don't like talking about cannabis openly without stifling.

If you don't understand it, then you need to review the mission statement and guidelines.

SP was allowed to speak. He was NOT allowed to equate the liberty movement with the drug legalization movement in thread titles.

The two are NOT one and the same.

BuddyRey
01-23-2010, 03:25 AM
SP was allowed to speak. He was NOT allowed to equate the liberty movement with the drug legalization movement in thread titles.

The two are NOT one and the same.

????

tron paul
02-04-2010, 02:15 AM
SP was allowed to speak. He was NOT allowed to equate the liberty movement with the drug legalization movement in thread titles.

The two are NOT one and the same.

Incorrect. Correct. Incorrect. SB was abrasive, but I hate to see him run off like this, over a lie.

End the War on Drugs By Ron Paul
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=40

We have recently heard many shocking stories of brutal killings and ruthless violence related to drug cartels warring with Mexican and US officials. It is approaching the fever pitch of a full-blown crisis. Unfortunately, the administration is not likely to waste this opportunity to further expand government. Hopefully, we can take a deep breath and look at history for the optimal way to deal with this dangerous situation, which is not unprecedented.

Alcohol prohibition in the 1920's brought similar violence, gangs, lawlessness, corruption and brutality. The reason for the violence was not that making and selling alcohol was inherently dangerous. The violence came about because of the creation of a brutal black market which also drove profits through the roof. These profits enabled criminals like Al Capone to become incredibly wealthy, and militantly defensive of that wealth. Al Capone saw the repeal of Prohibition as a great threat, and indeed smuggling operations and gangland violence fell apart after repeal. Today, picking up a bottle of wine for dinner is a relatively benign transaction, and beer trucks travel openly and peacefully along their distribution routes.

Similarly today, the best way to fight violent drug cartels would be to pull the rug out from under their profits by bringing these transactions out into the sunlight. People who, unwisely, buy drugs would hardly opt for the back alley criminal dealer as a source, if a coffeehouse-style dispensary was an option. Moreover, a law-abiding dispensary is likely to check ID's and refuse sale to minors, as bars and ABC stores tend to do very diligently. Think of all the time and resources law enforcement could save if they could instead focus on violent crimes, instead of this impossible nanny-state mandate of saving people from themselves!

If these reasons don't convince the drug warriors, I would urge them to go back to the Constitution and consider where there is any authority to prohibit private personal choices like this. All of our freedoms -- the freedom of religion and assembly, the freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, the right to be free from unnecessary government searches and seizures -- stem from the precept that you own yourself and are responsible for your own choices. Prohibition laws negate self-ownership and are an absolute affront to the principles of freedom. I disagree vehemently with the recreational use of drugs, but at the same time, if people are only free to make good decisions, they are not truly free. In any case, states should decide for themselves how to handle these issues and the federal government should respect their choices.

My great concern is that instead of dealing deliberatively with the actual problems, Congress will be pressed again to act quickly without much thought or debate. I can't think of a single problem we haven't made worse that way. The panic generated by the looming crisis in Mexico should not be redirected into curtailing more rights, especially our second amendment rights, as seems to be in the works. Certainly, more gun laws in response to this violence will only serve to disarm lawful citizens. This is something to watch out for and stand up against. We have escalated the drug war enough to see it only escalates the violence and profits associated with drugs. It is time to try freedom instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Drug_prohibition


Paul contends that prohibition of drugs is ineffective and advocates ending the War on Drugs.[234][235][236] "Prohibition doesn’t work. Prohibition causes crime." He believes that drug abuse should be treated as a medical problem, "We treat alcoholism now as a medical problem and I, as a physician, think we should treat drug addiction as a medical problem and not as a crime." The Constitution does not enumerate or delegate to Congress the authority to ban or regulate drugs in general. He believes the war on drugs is a racist policy against African Americans, who are affected disproportionally.

Paul believes in personal responsibility, but also sees inequity in the current application of drug enforcement laws, noting in 2000, "Many prisoners are non-violent and should be treated as patients with addictions, not as criminals. Irrational mandatory minimal sentences have caused a great deal of harm. We have non-violent drug offenders doing life sentences, and there is no room to incarcerate the rapists and murderers."[237]

When asked about his position on implementing the tenth amendment, Paul explained, "Certain medical procedures and medical choices, I would allow the states to determine that. The state law should prevail not the Federal Government." Speaking specifically about Drug Enforcement Administration raids on medical marijuana clinics Paul said, "They’re unconstitutional," and went on to advocate states' rights[238] and personal choice: "You’re not being compassionate by taking medical marijuana from someone who’s suffering from cancer or AIDS .... People should have freedom of choice. We certainly should respect the law and the law says that states should be able to determine this."


John Stossel's interview with Ron Paul. Ron talks about the failed War on Drugs, public perceptions , and solutions for returning to a sane policy in handling this issue.
YouTube - Ron Paul on marijuana, prohibition, and personal freedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0GZznxMC14)

YouTube - Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on Legalizing Marijuana on CNN Larry King 03/13/2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufekh_SwZd0)

YouTube - Ron Paul on CNN American Morning 4/15/09: Legalizing Marijuana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_l7WkFlr8c)

Now do you understand why the drug legalization movement is a large part of the liberty movement?

dannno
02-04-2010, 02:18 AM
wow..

If RP thought a plant should be illegal, then I wouldn't consider him a "liberty candidate" and I wouldn't be here. It's pretty simple.

(especially a plant that our Foundering Fathers grew and proclaimed that others should grow ;))

tron paul
02-04-2010, 02:25 AM
http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/138859
USA TODAY
http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=coloradoan&sParam=32591853.story

http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20100121/NEWS/100129910/-1/RSS
and basically 6 other papers,

plus i will be on cbs4 news denver at 6pm.

this will be my last post for RPF, over mods changing my thread titles. if folks want to keep up on story google it.

goodbye rpf signing out from the nazis on rpf!!!

You were a jerk sometimes, but it sucks you had to leave over something so stupid.

Self-ownership is so obviously at the root of the liberty movement,

I can't believe anyone on RPF would deny that.

Especially since Dr. Paul speaks out against neo-Prohibition all the damn time.

tron paul
02-04-2010, 02:32 AM
wow..

If RP thought a plant should be illegal, then I wouldn't consider him a "liberty candidate" and I wouldn't be here. It's pretty simple.

(especially a plant that our Foundering Fathers grew and proclaimed that others should grow ;))

Good point.

If someone doesn't believe in self-ownership and leaving others alone, what are they doing in the liberty movement?

Bill Johnson's theocratic Tali-Born-Again crowd would be a better fit.

Looks like we need to do some more educating on what being a Ron Paul-style social conservative means.

squarepusher
02-04-2010, 02:53 AM
SpeciallyBlend is a troll that hasn't reviewed the Mission Statement and violated forum guidelines, he has been warned before also.

Dark_Horse_Rider
02-04-2010, 04:50 AM
True Thing = Trolling in The Empire of Lies

tron paul
02-05-2010, 11:44 PM
SpeciallyBlend is a troll that hasn't reviewed the Mission Statement and violated forum guidelines, he has been warned before also.

SB acted like a troll many times, but it's OK to do that in some (Palin) threads, I guess.

There is nothing in the house rules about not being allowed to "equate the liberty movement with the drug legalization movement."

SB has self-banned because he doesn't wish to pretend that such a rule exists, or is wise if it did.

phill4paul
02-06-2010, 10:33 AM
Absolutely ridiculous! Another liberty advocate gone because of over zealous moderation.
How can any one, with any understanding of Dr. Pauls' stances, not understand that legalization and ending the WOD is not an integral part of the liberty movement.
Yet, as is par for the course, getting votes is more important than standing on principal.

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-06-2010, 10:41 AM
I am appalled by the utter lack of knowledge about Natural Law. The Drug Legalization movement and the Liberty movement are one and the same. Anyone who denies this is no friend of liberty. My body is my own and not yours damnit!