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eOs
01-21-2010, 03:12 PM
YouTube - 4409 -- Senator elect Scott Brown tells voters to F%ck off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDcxIMYIUGQ&feature=sub)

Bergie Bergeron
01-21-2010, 03:38 PM
Joke's on them allright...

FrankRep
01-21-2010, 03:40 PM
There was no other alternative.

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-21-2010, 03:40 PM
There was no other alternative.

Was Joe Kennedy not on the ballot?

FrankRep
01-21-2010, 03:45 PM
Was Joe Kennedy not on the ballot?
Joe Kennedy 1%.

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-21-2010, 03:48 PM
Joe Kennedy 1%.

Did you vote for McCain?

sofia
01-21-2010, 03:50 PM
TRANSLATION: Unlike the Democrats who will do you bareback, I will use lubrication and a condom when I jam it up you a**...

I might even take you out for dinner first.

Matt Collins
01-21-2010, 03:51 PM
Joe Kennedy 1%.And if more people paid attention to Brown's voting record then Joe Kennedy would've had a MUCH higher %.


Sheesh... it's as if the People in this country haven't learned ANYTHING in the last 3 years, much less the last 12 :mad:

MsDoodahs
01-21-2010, 04:00 PM
The bill as it existed is dead.

I AM PLEASED WITH THAT.

I never thought Brown was anything other than a tool to do one specific thing: kill that fucking TERRIBLE healthcare bill that the three stooges (BO, Nan, and Harry) had come up with.

I did not contribute to his campaign or do anything to advance his cause other than hope for his victory in that specific race.

If you don't like that, too bad.

parocks
01-21-2010, 04:01 PM
Did Obamacare pass?

Or are you just ignoring the massive story that's happening right now,
and pretending that something else is happening?

Sweet.



YouTube - 4409 -- Senator elect Scott Brown tells voters to F%ck off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDcxIMYIUGQ&feature=sub)

FrankRep
01-21-2010, 04:05 PM
And if more people paid attention to Brown's voting record then Joe Kennedy would've had a MUCH higher %.

Sheesh... it's as if the People in this country haven't learned ANYTHING in the last 3 years, much less the last 12 :mad:
People were voting Anti-Democrat and Anti-Republican.
The power of fear overrides logic.

Matt Collins
01-21-2010, 04:26 PM
The power of fear overrides logic.Yeah that's for sure. Logic goes out with window in politics apparently. :mad:


Of course he is scary and so was the opponent. I don't support "scary" candidates.

klamath
01-21-2010, 04:37 PM
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DapperDan
01-21-2010, 05:25 PM
I'm holding my tongue till I see how he votes for whatever hellish legislation passes through those halls of the damned.

georgiaboy
01-21-2010, 05:32 PM
Just imagine if Joe Kennedy had won. Now that would be a story to tell the grandkids. That would be something to behold.

The Brown win? I think it's gonna make passage of the healthcare plan easier. It may get some cosmetic, "bipartisan" surgery, but Obamacare will pass.

MsDoodahs
01-21-2010, 05:35 PM
Pelosi said today she does not have the votes in the house to pass the CURRENT Senate bill.

Dean came out tonight and told the left they need to "give up on comprehensive health care reform for now, settle for what they can get."

I don't doubt he'll vote in the future for shit I will HATE.

But his election has done the job I wanted it to do: kill the existing health care deform monster.

Valli6
01-21-2010, 05:43 PM
So exactly when is this turd's partial term up? Does Joe Kennedy plan to run against him then?

orafi
01-21-2010, 05:46 PM
And if more people paid attention to Brown's voting record then Joe Kennedy would've had a MUCH higher %.


Sheesh... it's as if the People in this country haven't learned ANYTHING in the last 3 years, much less the last 12 :mad:

People are inherently retarded. Brown's win proves that.

FrankRep
01-21-2010, 05:49 PM
People are inherently retarded. Brown's win proves that.
This is ultra liberal Massachusetts, don't forget that.

devil21
01-21-2010, 05:49 PM
Sorry keep trying.

Don't worry, they will. Minor speedbump to the agenda and nothing more.

dannno
01-21-2010, 05:58 PM
The bill as it existed is dead.

I AM PLEASED WITH THAT.

I never thought Brown was anything other than a tool to do one specific thing: kill that fucking TERRIBLE healthcare bill that the three stooges (BO, Nan, and Harry) had come up with.

I did not contribute to his campaign or do anything to advance his cause other than hope for his victory in that specific race.

If you don't like that, too bad.

Eh, that's pretty much how I feel and I was ragging on Brown a lot a few days ago.

Though I was still hoping people would get confused and vote in Joe Kennedy.

MurrayMe
01-21-2010, 06:09 PM
Pelosi said today she does not have the votes in the house to pass the CURRENT Senate bill.

Dean came out tonight and told the left they need to "give up on comprehensive health care reform for now, settle for what they can get."

I don't doubt he'll vote in the future for shit I will HATE.

But his election has done the job I wanted it to do: kill the existing health care deform monster.

Me too.

JustinTime
01-21-2010, 06:42 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but there was a Kennedy on the ballot and he only got 1% of the vote? In Massachusetts? Was this man not one of *the* Kennedys?

FrankRep
01-21-2010, 06:52 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but there was a Kennedy on the ballot and he only got 1% of the vote? In Massachusetts? Was this man not one of *the* Kennedys?
This Joe Kennedy is a Libertarian.

MsDoodahs
01-21-2010, 06:55 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but there was a Kennedy on the ballot and he only got 1% of the vote? In Massachusetts? Was this man not one of *the* Kennedys?

And unrelated to the MA royal family.

stilltrying
01-21-2010, 07:11 PM
And if more people paid attention to Brown's voting record then Joe Kennedy would've had a MUCH higher %.


Sheesh... it's as if the People in this country haven't learned ANYTHING in the last 3 years, much less the last 12 :mad:


What have you learned in the last 3? I'm all ears.

Tell ya the truth I have read about the same shit occuring for 234 years.

Name me 1 positive thing from government that didnt infringe on others or divide people.

Stary Hickory
01-21-2010, 07:28 PM
Sometimes I wonder about people....this is at least the third post of the SAME thing. Last time I checked had we listened to many on these forums we would now be waiting for the passage of the now dead Health Care bill.

Browns election saved people from he passage of the Obamacare bill. Are you delusional? People voted for Brown to defeat this Obamacare bill and that is exactly what happened. No one here honestly expected Brown to be a model liberty candidate.

If people had listened to peeps ike the OP we would be stuck with fascist health care. I am not willing to live in a socialist dictatorship just so peeps on these forums can feel principled. Fighting for liberty is where my principles lie. We are more free today because people did the right thing and got a NO vote in the senate...just in time. Had they listened to you, Coakley would be Senator and would be voting YES.

jmdrake
01-21-2010, 07:30 PM
This is ultra liberal Massachusetts, don't forget that.

That kind of misses the point. It's not like Scott Brown said "I'm going to vote against universal healthcare, but I'll vote for cap and trade". He's indicated that he might vote for core elements of the very legislation that the people voting for him wanted stopped. We can't sweep this under the rug!

I fully sympathize with the "glass half full" view. Like MsDoodahs I am "hopeful" that Brown victory might somehow stall universal healthcare. That said I was "hopeful" that an Obama victory might roleback the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Not very in either case. There's nothing wrong with hope. But now that the elections over there's no point (IMO) in defending hope. The only thing to concentrate on now is accountability. Brown has sent up a trial balloon to say that he's open to Obama/Romneycare. We need to be all over talk radio and the internet putting out the message that this is not acceptable.

Finally, the "joke" is on all of us. We didn't recognize how vulnerable Martha Coakley was. We could have "moneybombed" Joe Kennedy to prominence had this gotten on our radar earlier. Hindsight is, of course, 20/20. But we've got to concentrate more on getting our own people elected.

jmdrake
01-21-2010, 07:33 PM
Sometimes I wonder about people....this is at least the third post of the SAME thing. Last time I checked had we listened to many on these forums we would now be waiting for the passage of the now dead Health Care bill.

Browns election saved people from he passage of the Obamacare bill. Are you delusional? People voted for Brown to defeat this Obamacare bill and that is exactly what happened. No one here honestly expected Brown to be a model liberty candidate.

If people had listened to peeps ike the OP we would be stuck with fascist health care. I am not willing to live in a socialist dictatorship just so peeps on these forums can feel principled. Fighting for liberty is where my principles lie. We are more free today because people did the right thing and got a NO vote in the senate...just in time. Had they listened to you, Coakley would be Senator and would be voting YES.

Scott Brown hasn't voted "no" yet. He's clearly indicated that under the right circumstances he might vote "yes". He voted yes for the same thing in Massachusetts. The election is over. Coakley is no longer a threat. Rather than spinning your wheels trying to prove yourself right you need to be all over Brown to make sure he doesn't break what was until his election a clear campaign promise.

devil21
01-21-2010, 07:34 PM
Sometimes I wonder about people....this is at least the third post of the SAME thing. Last time I checked had we listened to many on these forums we would now be waiting for the passage of the now dead Health Care bill.

Browns election saved people from he passage of the Obamacare bill. Are you delusional? People voted for Brown to defeat this Obamacare bill and that is exactly what happened. No one here honestly expected Brown to be a model liberty candidate.

If people had listened to peeps ike the OP we would be stuck with fascist health care. I am not willing to live in a socialist dictatorship just so peeps on these forums can feel principled. Fighting for liberty is where my principles lie. We are more free today because people did the right thing and got a NO vote in the senate...just in time. Had they listened to you, Coakley would be Senator and would be voting YES.

Get over yourself. We're going to be stuck with some iteration of this nonsense health care bill (aka fresh tax revenue base) regardless. All Brown has done is offer a short stay of execution to appease people like you while openly admitting he wants some sort of national health care plan, right after he was elected. No progress was made, unless you consider electing yet another RINO to the Senate to be progress.

A short stay of execution to be followed up by a new "game plan" to quickly pass the garbage anyway. Maybe you don't realize this yet but Congress WILL PASS the tax hikes...err...health care reform in some form. I'm on the accelerated course for collapse so we can give this mofo a chance for a real recovery instead of just drawing out the pain longer and longer. Thanks for being part of the problem instead of the solution.

Stary Hickory
01-21-2010, 07:50 PM
Get over yourself. We're going to be stuck with some iteration of this nonsense health care bill (aka fresh tax revenue base) regardless. All Brown has done is offer a short stay of execution to appease people like you while openly admitting he wants some sort of national health care plan, right after he was elected. No progress was made, unless you consider electing yet another RINO to the Senate to be progress.

A short stay of execution to be followed up by a new "game plan" to quickly pass the garbage anyway. Maybe you don't realize this yet but Congress WILL PASS the tax hikes...err...health care reform in some form. I'm on the accelerated course for collapse so we can give this mofo a chance for a real recovery instead of just drawing out the pain longer and longer. Thanks for being part of the problem instead of the solution.

Well here is the deal you were wrong about Browns election...it did stop health care. This was the first bunch of nonsense tossed around here....telling us that it would not matter that the bill would go through anyways. You were wrong...dead wrong. Now you are telling me what is going to happen next? You have a track record of being wrong....I will listen to other folks thank you very much.

Whatever happens in the future we can still be sure of one thing, had people listened to people like you it would be ALOT worse. Admit you were wrong about Brown's election and you get over yourself. The people who wanted Brown to win on these forums were actually grounded pretty well in reality, they understood it was an opportunity to stop Obamacare. It's stopped.... negotiations for a new bill will take awhile and right now Health Care is not a popular thing for moderate Democrats. The entire game plan has changed.

Locking up congress so it doesn't pass a bunch of garbage is better than having an express fr leftist authoritarian garbage. We almost got one of the biggest power grabs in the history of the country thrust on us. If people had listened to you we would be stuck with it. So please get over Brown..he is one of a 100 senators. I am tired of this, you were wrong, Browns election had the desired result. I can sleep a little easier knowing that bill is no longer hanging over my head.

There will always be new battles for liberty and freedom...this is an ETERNAL struggle. I support liberty candidates because through them I can live free....however FREEDOM is what I am after. Throwing a vote away in Mass would have made me LESS free.

klamath
01-21-2010, 07:53 PM
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jmdrake
01-21-2010, 07:58 PM
Well here is the deal you were wrong about Browns election...it did stop health care. This was the first bunch of nonsense tossed around here....telling us that it would not matter that the bill would go through anyways. You were wrong...dead wrong. Now you are telling me what is going to happen next? You have a track record of being wrong....I will listen to other folks thank you very much.


It hasn't stopped healthcare. It might stop it. But it hasn't stopped it yet. Scott Brown clearly said that he would vote for the "core elements" of Obamacare. The "core element" that's left is the same "core element" that is in Romneycare that he already voted for. So if the democrats in the house and senate can put together a version that is acceptable to Brown, it passes. Like I said earlier, Brown sent up a trial balloon to see what the reaction would be to a betrayal by him. And rather than seizing on that and working to keep him in line, people like you are wasting energy trying to "prove yourself right". Why? What difference does it make what anybody on this forum thinks? The only thing that matters is keep pressure on slick politicians to make sure they don't follow through on the betrayal they've already told us they will do. The antiwar left should have kept pressure on Obama. Instead they took the "give him time" route and we all see what that got the country. The anti Obamacare right can't afford to make the same mistake. You want to pat yourself on the back? Fine. Cool. Crow about how "right" you are. But don't turn your back on this vulture. Don't take your eye off the ball.

Liberty Star
01-21-2010, 08:01 PM
Did you vote for McCain?

That's a troubling question.

Cap
01-21-2010, 09:49 PM
That's a troubling question.

Crickets chirping.

MichelleHeart
01-21-2010, 09:53 PM
Two words for you, Scott Brown...

You lie!

tonesforjonesbones
01-21-2010, 09:55 PM
It stopped Obama's health care bill..PIGLOSI says she does'nt have enough votes in the house...ENOUGH SAID..ya dullards! TONES

FrankRep
01-21-2010, 09:56 PM
Did you vote for McCain?
I voted for Chuck Baldwin.

With the case of McCain, I see him as way more destructive than Obama.

parocks
01-21-2010, 10:18 PM
This

Well, the truth is that most weren't paying attention to the Mass race until the precise moment that Joe Kennedy's chances became zero.

It's not exactly that people didn't recognize that Coakley was weak. It's that most people here didn't know there was a race at all. And it became a close race, and a victory for Brown, because Brown was a solid candidate, worked his butt off, the national conditions were right, etc etc.

I've mentioned before that I posted a thread with an interview with Joe Kennedy back on December 9. There was discussion of the race. A couple people said they'd support Brown, no one said that we should all support Kennedy or anything of the sort. I was mostly concerned that we not hurt Brown with our efforts. My recommendation, back December 10th was that money be given to Brown and grassroots volunteer help be given to Kennedy. I had just heard of Joe Kennedy at the time but thought he was the kind of guy that RPF would be interested in.

tangent4ronpaul pretty much had the race analyzed perfectly on December 10. He deserves a gold star for political analysis. Flash was on the right side as well. I was just starting to think my way through the race, and it's pretty clear looking back that Tangent had already thought about what was what.

Link to that thread - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2490195

Peace&Freedom
01-21-2010, 10:37 PM
People here need a longer time horizon than the current special election. Yes for the moment, Obamacare is stalled. The bottom line, as Ron Paul himself has predicted, is that another version of Obamacare will get passed. Those who backed Brown have poured dollars and compromise down the GOP rathole for the umpteenth quazillionth time, to get a few months reprieve at most.

The future belongs not to those talking about merely delaying the latest socialist bill a few moments by voting for the ambivalent Brown taste of the month, but in electing the Pauls and Kennedys who are resolved to REVERSE the growth of the Total State. A vote for non-liberty candidate ALWAYS results in less freedom, in the long run.

Athan
01-21-2010, 11:20 PM
TRANSLATION: Unlike the Democrats who will do you bareback, I will use lubrication and a condom when I jam it up you a**...

I might even take you out for dinner first.

Well to be fair, some people like it in the butt that way.

devil21
01-21-2010, 11:41 PM
Well here is the deal you were wrong about Browns election...it did stop health care. This was the first bunch of nonsense tossed around here....telling us that it would not matter that the bill would go through anyways. You were wrong...dead wrong. Now you are telling me what is going to happen next? You have a track record of being wrong....I will listen to other folks thank you very much.

It's not nonsense if you have a friggin clue how today's politics works, which you clearly do not. Btw, I absolutely challenge you on your assertion that "I have a track record of being wrong." That's just stupid personal attacks with no basis in fact. I assure you I see things that matter much clearer than you do.



Whatever happens in the future we can still be sure of one thing, had people listened to people like you it would be ALOT worse. Admit you were wrong about Brown's election and you get over yourself. The people who wanted Brown to win on these forums were actually grounded pretty well in reality, they understood it was an opportunity to stop Obamacare. It's stopped.... negotiations for a new bill will take awhile and right now Health Care is not a popular thing for moderate Democrats. The entire game plan has changed.

It's not stopped. It's on hold and a very tenuous hold at that, considering Brown's statements IMMEDIATELY after he was elected. You actually believe the stuff Nancy Pelosi releases for media and public consumption? Haha right. Insurance companies have already paid out a ton in lobbying fees, bribes and kickbacks to Congress and they WILL get what they paid for. I guess at this point we'll just have to wait and see who ends up being ultimately right but if you think the election of one liberal Republican to the Senate stops the entire health care/tax hike train then you're delusional. Like I said, a short stay of execution while the game plan is changed or a bigger distraction comes along.



Locking up congress so it doesn't pass a bunch of garbage is better than having an express fr leftist authoritarian garbage. We almost got one of the biggest power grabs in the history of the country thrust on us. If people had listened to you we would be stuck with it. So please get over Brown..he is one of a 100 senators. I am tired of this, you were wrong, Browns election had the desired result. I can sleep a little easier knowing that bill is no longer hanging over my head.

How was I wrong? I personally only stated that Brown would never have to live up to his pledge to vote against Obamacare. Seems I was right, or at least for now. I can provide links if you want. Maybe you're confusing me with some other poster.



There will always be new battles for liberty and freedom...this is an ETERNAL struggle. I support liberty candidates because through them I can live free....however FREEDOM is what I am after. Throwing a vote away in Mass would have made me LESS free.

You voted for McCain didn't you. The dilution of the principles of many of the members (new ones, interestingly enough) of this forum since Obama was elected is very apparent to those of us that remember taking the same stand as Ron Paul did. "No, I can't vote for someone that doesn't agree with me on much of anything."

I think what we're seeing here is status quo neo-cons actively working to make headway into this movement through this forum (and others, I suspect). I can't see how anyone that witnessed RP's treatment at the hands of the ENTIRE GOP structure could seriously support the nonsense that posters like you and sarahgop are posting around here.

Reason
01-22-2010, 01:07 AM
YouTube - SA@TAC - Scott Brown's One Night Stand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOuNDDOcAq0)

devil21
01-22-2010, 01:22 AM
"When the nights are lonely, any warm body will do."

Great commentary by the Southern Avenger above.

Matt Collins
01-22-2010, 02:53 AM
Browns election saved people from he passage of the Obamacare bill. Are you delusional? People voted for Brown to defeat this Obamacare bill and that is exactly what happened. No one here honestly expected Brown to be a model liberty candidate.There really isn't any difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare. Both are liberty abridging, fiscally irresponsible, and unConstitutional.

Matt Collins
01-22-2010, 02:55 AM
What have you learned in the last 3? I'm all ears.

Tell ya the truth I have read about the same shit occuring for 234 years.

Name me 1 positive thing from government that didnt infringe on others or divide people.
To examine the voting record of everyone who is running. If they supported expanding the size/scope of government, increased taxes, violated the Constitution, or diminished liberties, they are NOT to be trusted!

For those without voting records, if they have a chance of winning, get close to them and guide them. And make sure they understand you can destroy them if they go astray from their promised path of limited government.

MichelleHeart
01-22-2010, 02:55 AM
There really isn't any difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare. Both are liberty abridging, fiscally irresponsible, and unConstitutional.

Exactly.

aji
01-22-2010, 03:12 AM
People here need a longer time horizon than the current special election. Yes for the moment, Obamacare is stalled. The bottom line, as Ron Paul himself has predicted, is that another version of Obamacare will get passed. Those who backed Brown have poured dollars and compromise down the GOP rathole for the umpteenth quazillionth time, to get a few months reprieve at most.

The future belongs not to those talking about merely delaying the latest socialist bill a few moments by voting for the ambivalent Brown taste of the month, but in electing the Pauls and Kennedys who are resolved to REVERSE the growth of the Total State. A vote for non-liberty candidate ALWAYS results in less freedom, in the long run.

DING DING. We have a winner.

How many times have we been warned about the lesser of two evils? I keep posting that G. Edward Griffin vid. to remind people, but feel that no one ever watches it as people keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

If you are asking the question "Why is this country in the worst shape it ever has been?" You now have your answer. It is compromise.

Baptist
01-22-2010, 03:52 AM
"I don't want to waste my vote on somebody who can't win."


Gayest statement ever. EVA

parocks
01-22-2010, 05:25 AM
Was Joe Kennedy not on the ballot?

Let me direct you to this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2490195

I started this thread on December 9, 2009. It was an interview with Joe Kennedy.

The part of the interview I posted made it clear that Joe Kennedy was for the Gold Standard. That Joe Kennedy was one of us.

I was just then starting to pay attention to that race. I was looking to see what
people had to say about Joe Kennedy. I was looking to see if there was any support or enthusiasm for Joe Kennedy.

tangent4ronpaul clearly had been thinking about the race. He was able to analyze the data he had about Joe Kennedy and Scott Brown and made a reasonable and accurate prediction about Scott Browns chances long before most people. He also was able to recognize that Joe Kennedy was a good Liberty candidate, but that in this particular race he was unlikely to do well.

Flash also recommended support of Scott Brown.

I personally read tangents analysis, and to me it seemed quite informed and insightful. The position I eventually took, to support Scott Brown, was based in part on tangents analysis.

YOU POSTED ON THAT THREAD TOO AUSTRIAN.

Here's what you had to say on December 10.

"Oh man, if they elect him on the basis of his name, this would be the funniest shit I've ever seen. On the other hand, to any intelligent Mass-ians, that would be the clear shot to get the fuck out of there ASAP! I mean, you elected a Rockefeller-Republican as Governor, that should have been enough of a hint"

What you appear to be saying is that it would be funny if Joe Kennedy won.

That is not a hearty endorsement of Joe Kennedy, now is it?

Why are you such a big Joe Kennedy supporter now, when you were making fun of him back then?

Others who appear to be pro Joe Kennedy and anti Scott Brown today, really didn't have inspiring calls to action on behalf of Joe Kennedy back then.

Lester1/2jr said "the lady who will win is a nightmare cross between hillary clinton and 50 cent" That'd be it. Not, Coakley is a nightmare, we should support Joe Kennedy, but just a wrong prediction of the outcome (but a good assessment of Coakley).

Goldwater27 said "This guy is so on point with all the issues. Too bad this shithole I call home will never elect him." That's a fair analysis, he ended up supporting Kennedy and hasn't been an asshole about it. His post on this thread was the closest thing to a ringing endorsement Kennedy got.

Epic said "If Kennedy won, it would be so funny. and "the libertarian has a better chance of winning than the republican...." Since then, Epic has been posting very useful threads with polls on the race, but hasn't really made it too clear where he stands on the race.

speciallyblend went with "interesting something i think the media cannot ignore. plus it plays good media."

Aratus said "Joe Kennedy's name recognition despite its confusions trumps the g.o.p guy seven ways to sunday. it maybe has him as a Libertarian almost positioned to nudge past Mr. Brown into second place."

What no one said, when it mattered, was, "hey, we're the mightiest message board about Liberty politics in the land. What can we do, right now, to help Joe Kennedy?"

I had some suggestions on how Joe Kennedy could be helped. But I ended up supporting Brown. If I saw that there were people here motivated and helping Joe Kennedy, I might not've.

nobody's_hero
01-22-2010, 05:46 AM
. . . in less than 24 hours since being uploaded. :cool:

Whether you were for or against Scott Brown, please do something to help spread this video so that this crap doesn't happen again in November.

Do a youtube search "Scott Brown Voters" and it is the last to show up on the first page of search resuts. Let's see if we can get that up a few slots. :D

YumYum
01-22-2010, 06:00 AM
There really isn't any difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare. Both are liberty abridging, fiscally irresponsible, and unConstitutional.

Just like the Aldrich Bill and the Federal Reserve Act were the same.

jmdrake
01-22-2010, 10:13 AM
It stopped Obama's health care bill..PIGLOSI says she does'nt have enough votes in the house...ENOUGH SAID..ya dullards! TONES


No. It doesn't stop Obama's healthcare bill. For one thing he doesn't have a healthcare bill. There are two bills out there that have to be reconciled. Also Scott Brown's election in the senate doesn't change the number of votes in the house. I know I'm belaboring the obvious, but since you think everyone that disagrees with your assessment is a "dullard" I feel the need to spell this out. So there will be changes to the bill in reconciliation (the only real effect of Pelosi's statement) and it will go back to the senate where 60 votes will again be needed. Scott Brown said he would vote for some version of Obama's proposals. So can the house put together a package acceptable to Scott Brown that's probably unacceptable to the people who voted for him? Just look at Romneycare. The only hope we have at this point is that the left is irrational. That those on the left who want a "public option" or "single payer" will decide to go for "all or nothing" and not vote for the insurance mandate which Scott Brown already voted for in Massachusetts. That is a possibility. Howard Dean and others were urging to vote against this bill before Brown got elected. But the reality that the dems will lose in 2010 might convince them to compromise.

The bottom line is this. The public option clearly is dead. The insurance mandate, something that Scott Brown supports, is very much alive. A clear message must be sent that there will be hell to pay for any Republican willing to compromise on this.

Krugerrand
01-22-2010, 10:17 AM
He and all others in Congress can see clearly now that their support for this can cost them. That hurts the chances of anything going forward ... version-Obama or version-Romney. The previous level of support will not be sustained. So this guy's individual willingness to bend is somewhat meaningless. The rug has been pulled out from under the entire project.

klamath
01-22-2010, 10:18 AM
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jmdrake
01-22-2010, 10:22 AM
Did Obamacare pass?

Or are you just ignoring the massive story that's happening right now,
and pretending that something else is happening?

Sweet.

If Martha Coakley has been elected universal health care still wouldn't have passed by this point. The negotiations weren't that far along. Does the election of Brown slow down the bill? Sure. That's one more person the democrats will have to bribe (excuse me "negotiate with") to get 60 votes. The house version contains a public option and the senate version does not. Brown's election effectively kills the public option. It does not kill the mandate since he voted for that in MA and he said he likes certain "core" parts of the current bill. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the mandate is part of the core. Had Coakley won the house might have tried to revive the public option. With Brown they might wake up to reality and pass the senate version. Oh sure, they won't do it this week. It will take awhile for reality to set in with some people. And maybe it won't ever. But maybe it will. Nobody has a crystal ball.

jmdrake
01-22-2010, 10:35 AM
Let me direct you to this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2490195

I started this thread on December 9, 2009. It was an interview with Joe Kennedy.

The part of the interview I posted made it clear that Joe Kennedy was for the Gold Standard. That Joe Kennedy was one of us.

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I had some suggestions on how Joe Kennedy could be helped. But I ended up supporting Brown. If I saw that there were people here motivated and helping Joe Kennedy, I might not've.

Good for you! But, as you say, this never caught on. Most people (myself included) assumed that "Ted Kennedy's seat" was a "safe democratic seat". There was never a Joe Kennedy moneybomb to my knowledge, No banner ads here. Nothing. I'm not blaming anyone, just stating the facts. How best to correct this problem? I don't know. What to do going forward? Maybe we need a better mechanism going forward of tracking all of the liberty candidates, not just the ones that have already become a "household world" at RPF?

Finally I'm not mad at anyone who wants to be "hopeful" about Brown. And while I think the energy and money could have been better directed, that an individual decision. I am concerned, however, with people overblowing this and making predictions that simply aren't true. Obamacare is not stopped. Is it badly damaged? Sure. No doubt about that. But the ball is in the democrats court. If they do the strategically smart thing and rally around the "core elements" of this bill that Scott Brown supports it passes this year. We have to let the Scott Browns, Olympia Snowes and Joe Libermans know there will be hell to pay if they go along with such a scheme. We also have to make sure that democrats get the message that no matter how "safe" they think their seat is, if they vote for ObamaBrownRomneycare, they're toast.

LDA
01-22-2010, 10:57 AM
Joe Kennedy never had a chance. He might be right on everything, but it doesn't matter. If you want to win elections in this country, you've got to run as a Republican or Democrat. It's that simple. If we could get some libertarians in office using the party system, then we could try to change the rules. Until then, though, the game is rigged from the start.

Aratus
01-22-2010, 11:27 AM
Let me direct you to this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2490195

I started this thread on December 9, 2009. It was an interview with Joe Kennedy.

The part of the interview I posted made it clear that Joe Kennedy was for the Gold Standard. That Joe Kennedy was one of us.

I was just then starting to pay attention to that race. I was looking to see what
people had to say about Joe Kennedy. I was looking to see if there was any support or enthusiasm for Joe Kennedy.

tangent4ronpaul clearly had been thinking about the race. He was able to analyze the data he had about Joe Kennedy and Scott Brown and made a reasonable and accurate prediction about Scott Browns chances long before most people. He also was able to recognize that Joe Kennedy was a good Liberty candidate, but that in this particular race he was unlikely to do well.

Flash also recommended support of Scott Brown.

I personally read tangents analysis, and to me it seemed quite informed and insightful. The position I eventually took, to support Scott Brown, was based in part on tangents analysis.

YOU POSTED ON THAT THREAD TOO AUSTRIAN.

Here's what you had to say on December 10.

"Oh man, if they elect him on the basis of his name, this would be the funniest shit I've ever seen. On the other hand, to any intelligent Mass-ians, that would be the clear shot to get the fuck out of there ASAP! I mean, you elected a Rockefeller-Republican as Governor, that should have been enough of a hint"

What you appear to be saying is that it would be funny if Joe Kennedy won.

That is not a hearty endorsement of Joe Kennedy, now is it?

Why are you such a big Joe Kennedy supporter now, when you were making fun of him back then?

Others who appear to be pro Joe Kennedy and anti Scott Brown today, really didn't have inspiring calls to action on behalf of Joe Kennedy back then.

Lester1/2jr said "the lady who will win is a nightmare cross between hillary clinton and 50 cent" That'd be it. Not, Coakley is a nightmare, we should support Joe Kennedy, but just a wrong prediction of the outcome (but a good assessment of Coakley).

Goldwater27 said "This guy is so on point with all the issues. Too bad this shithole I call home will never elect him." That's a fair analysis, he ended up supporting Kennedy and hasn't been an asshole about it. His post on this thread was the closest thing to a ringing endorsement Kennedy got.

Epic said "If Kennedy won, it would be so funny. and "the libertarian has a better chance of winning than the republican...." Since then, Epic has been posting very useful threads with polls on the race, but hasn't really made it too clear where he stands on the race.

speciallyblend went with "interesting something i think the media cannot ignore. plus it plays good media."

Aratus said "Joe Kennedy's name recognition despite its confusions trumps the g.o.p guy seven ways to sunday. it maybe has him as a Libertarian almost positioned to nudge past Mr. Brown into second place."

What no one said, when it mattered, was, "hey, we're the mightiest message board about Liberty politics in the land. What can we do, right now, to help Joe Kennedy?"

I had some suggestions on how Joe Kennedy could be helped. But I ended up supporting Brown. If I saw that there were people here motivated and helping Joe Kennedy, I might not've.

YES... i missed how the SLUSH FUND MONEY as WELL AS TEAPARTY*EXPRESS
donations would create a seismic shift that would EDGE scott brown in by a
LOWLY 52% to 53% percent of the vote! ms. martha may run for her day-job
in a few months, and then may take on dear junior senator scott brown in a
rematch. what we saw is the way the bell curve cut. keep in mind we had more
people voting in 2008 and they went obama then! scott brown has to battle
and then some to keep his finicky fickle INDEPENDENTs happy as well as placate
any and all reVOLUTIOn and/or goldwater people! 2012 is going to be intense!
ARATUS achingly was EYE-ing running against dear senator teddy kennedy when
he was alive, and then at the last minute, when i quailed at the idea of a run
myself, i am now kicking myself! i could have gotten into a debate or two, for
we have this selectman guy in canton, mass almost on our primary ballots as we
see jack e. robinson actually get the 10,ooo+ signatures! i voted for the looser!

Aratus
01-22-2010, 11:30 AM
stupid me! ...i'm now trying to ignor this impulse to get up on a rEVOLUTIOnAry soap*box in the 5th
district so that if i WIN the local 2010 g.o.p primary, i just might & can debate Ms. Niki Tsongas(D)!!!
folks, if i do the darstardly and challenge the widddeerrrr of a great senator and statesman, will you
pass my auld hat around if i toss it into the ring either in 2010 or 2012? D.c's HOUSE or SENATE???

devil21
01-22-2010, 01:41 PM
I read a post elsewhere that made a lot of sense, basically stating that the Dems threw the Mass election intentionally. Considering the terrible candidate in Coakley for such a historically important Dem seat it did make me wonder. The question is why would they throw the election? Simple. It's a wake up call to Dem voters.

"See what happens when you don't support whoever we give you? Those evil Republicans will win every seat in Congress, including the ones we hold dear!"

In other words, it acts as a great motivational tool for the 2010 elections. Dems will remember, and probably be reminded over and over by the media, that not voting in 2010 is certain death. Otherwise, it's very likely the R's would steamroll the D's in the next election considering how things are going lately. Makes a lot of sense from a strategic standpoint.

Matt Collins
01-23-2010, 02:40 AM
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x93/sonicspikesalbum/Campaign%20VI/Toldja.jpg

Liberty Star
01-23-2010, 09:53 AM
Our politics has indeed become a joke.

Aratus
01-23-2010, 12:56 PM
was ms. martha's neat negatives due to
her being menopausal & 50something???
some ads that went attack-dog were hers!
scott brown had an upbeat soundtrack & smile.

Galileo Galilei
01-23-2010, 04:03 PM
Joe Kennedy 1%.

So now the people in MA are f*****. If Kennedy had gotten 5%, like he was in the polls 10 days ago, the people would have something to build on.

But, no. In your logic the world ends on the day of the election.

A vote for the Libertarian Party is an investment for the future.

Volitzer
01-23-2010, 04:14 PM
Yeah well the Constitution Party really dropped the ball in Ma. I am sorry they didn't make a better effort.

Brian4Liberty
02-23-2010, 01:39 PM
Now that he voted with the Democrats, this thread title is even more appropriate...

Matt Collins
02-23-2010, 02:57 PM
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x93/sonicspikesalbum/Campaign%20VI/Toldja.jpg

georgiaboy
02-23-2010, 03:06 PM
hehe, yeah.
Begs the question, "What can Brown do to (sic) you?"

RyanRSheets
02-23-2010, 03:25 PM
I don't know if I should respect Scott Brown for his incredible trolling ability, or hate him for being what's wrong with this country.

DapperDan
02-23-2010, 03:29 PM
trolling ability

http://memegenerator.net/Instances/766/Troll-face-U--MAD.jpg

Pot's beginning to boil over...

Matt Collins
02-23-2010, 04:46 PM
Mike Church destroying Scott Brown right now on Sirius
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=232956

angelatc
02-23-2010, 04:59 PM
Yeah well the Constitution Party really dropped the ball in Ma. I am sorry they didn't make a better effort.

They tried. It takes money and volunteers.

We have candidates still fighting in New Mexico, Texas, Michigan, both of the Carolinas, California....and that's just off the top of my head. Every single one of them is absolutely starved for cash and manpower.