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FunkBuddha
10-05-2007, 05:01 AM
My brother called me yesterday and, after seeing the article on the WSJ about Ron Paul and reading all of the comments, said to me "Tell me about this Ron Paul guy."

I wasn't expecting this at all... My brother is a self-described bleeding heart liberal Democrat. We talked about Ron Paul and his ideas for a while. He couldn't believe the passion that the people commenting had. I explained to him that the underlying emotions people had were fear and excitement. Fear of losing Liberty and excitement because finally someone has come along who will help.

He told me after reading through the comments he was beginning to like the guy and understand his viewpoints. He said that it would require "looking at things through a different prism", but he said he was willing to do that.

I sent him to ronpaullibrary.org. People, if my brother can be converted, ANYONE can be converted.

Anyways, just wanted to share that. Have a great day everyone!

nexalacer
10-05-2007, 05:27 AM
Wow. Just... wow. Could this be real? Could people actually want to abandon the current system of state run madness? Is there real hope for freedom in our lifetimes? Unreal.

tsopranos
10-05-2007, 05:36 AM
My brother's a tough nut to crack too. He's never been into politics because he views it as largely a waste of time. But, after a long conversation, I had him saying he'd put a bumper sticker on his car and even go as far as changing to R to vote for him. My father still has to change his reg to R but he will, he loves RP. I got 4 votes coming from my family alone and my n laws who I could probably get to vote for RP would make 6.

Omnis
10-05-2007, 06:47 AM
I've cracked a neo-con and a socialist so far. I felt the greatest feelings of accomplishment upon turning them; it was unreal.

Dorfsmith
10-05-2007, 10:08 AM
My inlaws have had no interest in Ron Paul since my wife started talking to them about 6 months ago. They only get their news on FOX but slowly they have been getting turned off to the war and Bush's stand on illegal immigration. Last weekend they came for a visit and were surprised when several people came up to me over dinner and said they were Ron Paul supporters and liked my Ron Paul shirt. The next day we went for a 2 hour drive and my wife and I spent the whole time explaining Ron Paul's views on many issues. By the time we got back they asked for bumper stickers for their cars and a yard sign. It's always good to have extra on hand. My wife and I are still in shock! :D

paulitics
10-05-2007, 10:12 AM
democrats have open minds. Alot of them are democrats because they oppose war, not because they want a monolithic gvt controlling things.

The neolibs and the neocons are actually the small but powerful minority. They had infiltrated both parties.

Ron Paul appeals to the average American, forget these labels.

kylejack
10-05-2007, 10:12 AM
My inlaws have had no interest in Ron Paul since my wife started talking to them about 6 months ago. They only get their news on FOX but slowly they have been getting turned off to the war and Bush's stand on illegal immigration. Last weekend they came for a visit and were surprised when several people came up to me over dinner and said they were Ron Paul supporters and liked my Ron Paul shirt. The next day we went for a 2 hour drive and my wife and I spent the whole time explaining Ron Paul's views on many issues. By the time we got back they asked for bumper stickers for their cars and a yard sign. It's always good to have extra on hand. My wife and I are still in shock! :D
I can't tell you how encouraging this story is. I've worried that the "HURR WAR HURR ISLAMOFASCISTS" people are beyond help, so to hear a story like this is so encouraging. Maybe we can get some of them.

LibertyEagle
10-05-2007, 10:14 AM
You guys are the BEST and you are the reason we are going to WIN!

KewlRonduderules
10-05-2007, 10:19 AM
I encouraged a colleague of mine to actually change his voter registration from democrat to republican. He did it the day before yesterday. And he lives in NyC.

DeadheadForPaul
10-05-2007, 10:31 AM
I've cracked a neo-con and a socialist so far. I felt the greatest feelings of accomplishment upon turning them; it was unreal.

I got 2 neo-cons so far and 2 dems!

kylejack
10-05-2007, 10:34 AM
Get those heads on pikes, people! And make sure you get them interested in donating too. The live updates and scrolling names help a lot for that.

saku39
10-05-2007, 12:19 PM
I'm working on a moderate democrat, a hippie democrat, a socialist democrat and an anarchist right now.

DrNoZone
10-05-2007, 12:22 PM
I'm working on a moderate democrat, a hippie democrat, a socialist democrat and an anarchist right now.

I'm also of the anarchist/voluntaryist persuasion. Just tell them that there's no way to get from HERE (near tyranny) to THERE (anarcho-capitalist society) without moving the country back to a Constitutional Republic. Once we make it there, THEN and only then will an anarcho-capitalist society become feasible.

nexalacer
10-05-2007, 08:23 PM
I'm also of the anarchist/voluntaryist persuasion. Just tell them that there's no way to get from HERE (near tyranny) to THERE (anarcho-capitalist society) without moving the country back to a Constitutional Republic. Once we make it there, THEN and only then will an anarcho-capitalist society become feasible.

Agreed, I'm ancap also. I am supporting Dr. Paul because it will be much less messy to move from Constitutional Republic to a Free Capitalist society than it will be to move from a State-run socialist/corporatist nightmare to a Free Capitalist society. In the former situation, we just have to convince people that violence in any form is bad... in the latter we have to convince people that a free market can work AND we have to fight the state's war machine.

Anarchists who refuse to vote because it supports the system are like martyrs. They could do so much more if they lived (read: vote and participate) than they can if they die (read: protest voting because it they think it makes a difference).

quickmike
10-05-2007, 08:41 PM
I sent him to ronpaullibrary.org. People, if my brother can be converted, ANYONE can be converted.



How about my neighbor 3 doors down who thinks Fred Thompson is "the shit" and believes its "our duty" to protect our allies in Israel in the war on terror? He also thinks its "just great" that we still have troops in North Korea, and thinks we should have stuck it out in Vietnam.

You think I can convert him?

I think my time would be better spent convincing other people. The time I spend on him could probably be used to get 50 other people on board.


good job on your bro though!!!! Always good to hear of people that woke themselves up to the truth.

Akus
10-05-2007, 08:45 PM
My brother's a tough nut to crack too. He's never been into politics because he views it as largely a waste of time. But, after a long conversation, I had him saying he'd put a bumper sticker on his car and even go as far as changing to R to vote for him. My father still has to change his reg to R but he will, he loves RP. I got 4 votes coming from my family alone and my n laws who I could probably get to vote for RP would make 6.

Now make sure they show up at the primary elections.

FunkBuddha
12-31-2007, 04:07 PM
Just an update... My brother is now going to change his registration to Republican and vote for Ron Paul in the North Carolina Primary IF he does well in the early primaries and Super Tuesday.

I wish I could take credit for this due to the hundreds of emails we've exchanged over this, but in the end, it was Dr. Paul's humbleness that won him over.

I've now converted most of my family/in laws. Time to go after my sister.

kylejack
12-31-2007, 04:13 PM
How about my neighbor 3 doors down who thinks Fred Thompson is "the shit" and believes its "our duty" to protect our allies in Israel in the war on terror? He also thinks its "just great" that we still have troops in North Korea, and thinks we should have stuck it out in Vietnam.

You think I can convert him?

I think my time would be better spent convincing other people. The time I spend on him could probably be used to get 50 other people on board.


good job on your bro though!!!! Always good to hear of people that woke themselves up to the truth.
Well, Fred Thompson is certainly shit. In this campaign for the hearts and minds of Americans, he's certainly "our doody".

FreeTraveler
12-31-2007, 04:42 PM
I've converted two family members, both Republicans, two more family members who weren't registered (but are now) and two friends, both very much believers in the nanny state, over the last week.

One of the friends has a house with a chain-link fence that every car exiting the local dog track has to look at (across the street from the exit). She volunteered for the local meetup group to put any signs they want there. I'm trying to get a 4' x 8' put up. :)

I'm moving tomorrow to where there are about a dozen more family members, all registered Republican, and I'll have 4 weeks to polish them off. :) I've also got an email going out to several friends in Michigan, where the primary is open.

Ron Paul:Hope 2.0 was my primary video source, but I'm going to switch over to using Ron Paul: Our Way first, then Hope.

yongrel
12-31-2007, 04:45 PM
So far, my tally includes a Bible-thumper who cited a Bible passage when I asked why he supported Huckabee, a socialist, a fascist (self-described!), a communitarian, and a midget.

CFRSucks
12-31-2007, 05:01 PM
Unfortunately, my brother and I haven't been real close. He kind of runs his own program, and isn't real close with anyone in the family. There are no underlying problems, he is just kind of a loner.

Well, I had a pretty serious scare, and ended up in the hospital, and when I awoke, everyone in my family was around my bed, and I was like WTF, why are you all here, and why am I in the hospital?

Long story short, I got to spend some much needed time alone with my little brother, and I told him about Ron Paul. I didn't think he really heard me, but I was wrong. He looked it up, and he is firmly on board, has become a donor, and is spreading the word. My brother and I now speak regularly on the phone, about, you guessed it, Ron Paul, and this wonderful movement.

I can personally attest to the freedom message bringing people together. Got my mother too, she donated to the tea party. It feels good converting people in your family. Converting neocons is another matter, and those of you that are successful should get some sort of peace prize.

quickmike
12-31-2007, 05:04 PM
I'm working on a moderate democrat, a hippie democrat, a socialist democrat and an anarchist right now.

Good luck with the socialst. LOL

They seem the hardest to get through to, especially if they are older people who have had that belief for a long time. It can be done though, if you have the right ammunition to back up what you say.

I got my mom into Ron Paul early in the summer and she only donated once, but it was for the 2300 all in one shot. She was a moderate republican that is somewhat liberal on social issues, so it wasnt hard to sell her on RP. The hardest part with her was the whole "yeah, but can he win" argument. I showed her some rally videos and the donations page and thats all it took.

My step-father on the other hand was a little more difficult to convert. He never votes straight party and is sort of a big union guy. He said "Yeah, RP sounds like hes got some good ideas, but the president doesnt make laws, it is the congress that makes the laws" I asked him "Ok, but do you want a president that just goes along with every bullshit law that congress wants to pass without even putting up a veto against it? Ron Paul would veto EVERYTHING that didnt fit into the constitution, so it would be harder for government to get out of control" He said "yeah, thats true. Maybe I'll take a look at him some more." He watched the Glen Beck interview and called me saying that he really likes RP's honesty and will be voting for him in the primaries. Also said he watched the Cramer interview and liked that one too, but that Cramer needs to lay off the coffee a little bit. LOL

Adamsa
12-31-2007, 05:06 PM
Unfortunately, my brother and I haven't been real close. He kind of runs his own program, and isn't real close with anyone in the family. There are no underlying problems, he is just kind of a loner.

Well, I had a pretty serious scare, and ended up in the hospital, and when I awoke, everyone in my family was around my bed, and I was like WTF, why are you all here, and why am I in the hospital?

Long story short, I got to spend some much needed time alone with my little brother, and I told him about Ron Paul. I didn't think he really heard me, but I was wrong. He looked it up, and he is firmly on board, has become a donor, and is spreading the word. My brother and I now speak regularly on the phone, about, you guessed it, Ron Paul, and this wonderful movement.

I can personally attest to the freedom message bringing people together. Got my mother too, she donated to the tea party. It feels good converting people in your family. Converting neocons is another matter, and those of you that are successful should get some sort of peace prize.

Sounds nice, good luck with the rest! :D

Fyretrohl
12-31-2007, 05:12 PM
Me...I have converted 2 Americans who have different opinions than I do, have 2 Americans who are looking closely at him and who also share different opinions, 1 American convert who actually shared the same belief, but did not know about Dr Paul, and then my lovely American wife, who has similar beliefs, but, wants the state to handle things like abortion banning and gay marriage, etc. However, she is not happy with any of the other candidates and will likely vote RP if she sees no one else.

vegetarianrpfan
12-31-2007, 05:15 PM
How about my neighbor 3 doors down who thinks Fred Thompson is "the shit" and believes its "our duty" to protect our allies in Israel in the war on terror? He also thinks its "just great" that we still have troops in North Korea, and thinks we should have stuck it out in Vietnam.

You think I can convert him?

I think my time would be better spent convincing other people. The time I spend on him could probably be used to get 50 other people on board.


You're probably right on the last point. However, you could tell him that the other candidate who believes in federalism along with Thompson and who actually has more than 20 years of consistent voting record that way to show for it is Ron Paul and that Thompson's student coordinator went over to Ron Paul's side (there's a YouTube video about this). I get the feeling Thompson may drop out if he doesn't do well in the first states, so you might as well start working this guy.

Tell him that yes, we give Israel X amount of dollars, but we give the Arabs 3 times that amount. We also prevent Israel from doing things it wants to do for its own national sovereignty, such as talking to Syria, which really keeps them down. You could tell him that Vietnam is better now than it was when we left.

There are other suggestions for converting neocons in that subforum. Focusing on the declining dollar and how we just can't afford what they want is a good way.

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robert4rp08
12-31-2007, 05:17 PM
I've had no luck with my liberal sister. Sent her a copy of Ron Paul's book and Naomi Wolf's book. Hopefully that opens her mind a little bit. lol

Fyretrohl
12-31-2007, 05:21 PM
Me...I have converted 2 Americans who have different opinions than I do, have 2 Americans who are looking closely at him and who also share different opinions, 1 American convert who actually shared the same belief, but did not know about Dr Paul, and then my lovely American wife, who has similar beliefs, but, wants the state to handle things like abortion banning and gay marriage, etc. However, she is not happy with any of the other candidates and will likely vote RP if she sees no one else.

I refuse to use 'boxes' anymore. We are ALL Americans. And, those who aren't, are not, obviously. :)

constitutional
12-31-2007, 05:23 PM
Unfortunately, my brother and I haven't been real close. He kind of runs his own program, and isn't real close with anyone in the family. There are no underlying problems, he is just kind of a loner.

Well, I had a pretty serious scare, and ended up in the hospital, and when I awoke, everyone in my family was around my bed, and I was like WTF, why are you all here, and why am I in the hospital?

Long story short, I got to spend some much needed time alone with my little brother, and I told him about Ron Paul. I didn't think he really heard me, but I was wrong. He looked it up, and he is firmly on board, has become a donor, and is spreading the word. My brother and I now speak regularly on the phone, about, you guessed it, Ron Paul, and this wonderful movement.

I can personally attest to the freedom message bringing people together. Got my mother too, she donated to the tea party. It feels good converting people in your family. Converting neocons is another matter, and those of you that are successful should get some sort of peace prize.

I salute you sir!

AdoubleR
01-01-2008, 10:24 AM
How about my neighbor 3 doors down who thinks Fred Thompson is "the shit" and believes its "our duty" to protect our allies in Israel in the war on terror? He also thinks its "just great" that we still have troops in North Korea, and thinks we should have stuck it out in Vietnam.

You think I can convert him?



You should take him for a drive and leave him in a rough neighbourhood... That'll prove the chicken-hawk sissy he is...

livinglegend
01-01-2008, 11:00 AM
People like your brother once again show how important it is for Ron to plan to continue his bid for the Whitehouse nomatter what happens during the primaries.

People JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT RON. But once the REAL race begins this summer, people will learn and love his positions!