Danny Glover - "Haiti earthquake is the result of a failed agreement at Copenhagen"

[purplechoe]

YouTube - GRITtv: Danny Glover and Marie St. Cyr on Haiti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ft5JkNWJA)

[hugolp]

Like the other crazy guy. Amazing.

Anymore is doubting now that "climate change" or "global warming" is a religion?

[tangent4ronpaul]

:confused:

DG demonstrates he got a piblakc idjukatcheoun... :rolleyes:

-t

[Cowlesy]

Why do actors I like have to say such idiotic things.

Everytime I watch Lethal Weapon now I'm going to think of that.

[werdd]

Lethal weapon sucked anyway

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Oh Danny you deranged psychopath. You and your ilk need to get more intune with nature if you believe that bullshit. Renounce your comfy life and go live the life of being one with nature, I'm sure you'll quickly change your tune.

[jmdrake]

Like the other crazy guy. Amazing.

Anymore is doubting now that "climate change" or "global warming" is a religion?

Indeed. Someone should take this clip and juxtapose it against Pat Robertson saying the earthquake was caused by a pact with the devil. I've heard it all now.

[MelissaWV]

Why do actors I like have to say such idiotic things.

Everytime I watch Lethal Weapon now I'm going to think of that.

Every time I watch Lethal Weapon I think of him in Saw.

[FunkBuddha]

I'm gettin' too old for this shit.

[constituent]

Yea, but name one good danny glover movie.

[Elwar]

The devastation in Haiti is caused by the lack of property rights.

When the government owns your home, there's no reason to make it hurricane/earthquake proof.

[purplechoe]

I'm gettin' too old for this shit.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060727/152447__lethalweapon_l.jpg

[torchbearer]

The devastation in Haiti is caused by the lack of property rights.

When the government owns your home, there's no reason to make it hurricane/earthquake proof.

island economy with too many people.
concrete house= expensive
house made of tin= cheap

in jamaica 95% of the people live in tin huts.
the wealthy 5% had concrete houses on the mountains. (like gods on olympus)

it had nothing to do with who owned it. they had no means to obtain it.

[Elwar]

island economy with too many people.
concrete house= expensive
house made of tin= cheap

in jamaica 95% of the people live in tin huts.
the wealthy 5% had concrete houses on the mountains. (like gods on olympus)

it had nothing to do with who owned it. they had no means to obtain it.

Hong Kong is a closed off economy with too many people as well...with no natural resources. Something tells me that they'd fare better in an earthquake.

[Freedom 4 all]

Awesome, I love it when celeberties with no relevant background in science, politics etc express their stupid ideas about stuff. How else would I form my opinions? /snark

Seriously, that's nearly as crazy as Pat Robertson's insane rant about the devil.

[bkreigh]

Awesome, I love it when celeberties with no relevant background in science, politics etc express their stupid ideas about stuff. How else would I form my opinions? /snark

Seriously, that's nearly as crazy as Pat Robertson's insane rant about the devil.

Just posted something along those lines on my facebook. Waiting for my liberal friends to call me out on it now.

[MelissaWV]

island economy with too many people.
concrete house= expensive
house made of tin= cheap

in jamaica 95% of the people live in tin huts.
the wealthy 5% had concrete houses on the mountains. (like gods on olympus)

it had nothing to do with who owned it. they had no means to obtain it.

Actually, a lot of what crumbled were buildings that were unreinforced concrete. That's what helped create that dramatic dust cloud over the city during/after the quake. The hotels and Government buildings which collapsed were certainly not tin.

[torchbearer]

Hong Kong is a closed off economy with too many people as well...with no natural resources. Something tells me that they'd fare better in an earthquake.

they have wealth in hong kong. their is no wealth in haiti or jamaica.
only a few tourist dollars. those people need to disperse from those islands. you can only feed so many people without farms.

[torchbearer]

Actually, a lot of what crumbled were buildings that were unreinforced concrete. That's what helped create that dramatic dust cloud over the city during/after the quake. The hotels and Government buildings which collapsed were certainly not tin.

ok, i lived in jamaica for 5 months. among the people.
i can't say haiti is the same, because i don't know. but if i had to guess- they are very similar in make up.

[bkreigh]

Yea, but name one good danny glover movie.

Where do i begin...

Angels in the Outfield
How Stella Got Her Groove Back
Gone Fishin'
Operation Dumbo Drop

All CLASSICS!!!!! :rolleyes:

[JXL78]

I blame HAARP. :-P

[MelissaWV]

ok, i lived in jamaica for 5 months. among the people.
i can't say haiti is the same, because i don't know. but if i had to guess- they are very similar in make up.

*nods* The islands are different, though. Haitians in tin do exist en masse, that's for sure. There are certainly plenty of them on the OTHER islands in the Caribbean, most notably Puerto Rico (I've gone over that in other posts), and Haiti itself has its fair share of poverty.

Haiti had a lot of UN buildings, charity organizations, and similar (even the hotel which collapsed) that were made of unreinforced concrete. In short, concrete without the metal bars running through it is more likely to crumble and turn to dust.

A 7.0+ earthquake in that sort of densely populated area, with buildings that had no real reinforcement, was a recipe for disaster on a massive scale. I noticed the news is largely blaming this on "no building codes." :rolleyes: Yes, more Government would have fixed it! Government knows best! (Then why did Government buildings fare no better than civilian?)

[ramallamamama]

Kookiness abounds.

[torchbearer]

*nods* The islands are different, though. Haitians in tin do exist en masse, that's for sure. There are certainly plenty of them on the OTHER islands in the Caribbean, most notably Puerto Rico (I've gone over that in other posts), and Haiti itself has its fair share of poverty.

Haiti had a lot of UN buildings, charity organizations, and similar (even the hotel which collapsed) that were made of unreinforced concrete. In short, concrete without the metal bars running through it is more likely to crumble and turn to dust.

A 7.0+ earthquake in that sort of densely populated area, with buildings that had no real reinforcement, was a recipe for disaster on a massive scale. I noticed the news is largely blaming this on "no building codes." :rolleyes: Yes, more Government would have fixed it! Government knows best! (Then why did Government buildings fare no better than civilian?)

yeah, the concrete buildings were created to withstand huricane winds. earthquakes weren't even considered.
it would be a huge expense to import the materials to reinforce the concrete for something they weren't planning on ever happening.

[ramallamamama]

I blame HAARP. :-P

This probably. Scalar weapons and all that.

[Freedom 4 all]

Just posted something along those lines on my facebook. Waiting for my liberal friends to call me out on it now.

Post the replies when they come. I'd be interested in seeing what they have to say.

[Elwar]

they have wealth in hong kong. their is no wealth in haiti or jamaica.
only a few tourist dollars. those people need to disperse from those islands. you can only feed so many people without farms.

I bet if they had solid property rights, low taxes and a fair justice system they'd prosper just as well as Hong Kong after enough years.

[bkreigh]

Post the replies when they come. I'd be interested in seeing what they have to say.

If i get any.

[bkreigh]

Looks like GB is covering this on his show today. Interesting.

[torchbearer]

I bet if they had solid property rights, low taxes and a fair justice system they'd prosper just as well as Hong Kong after enough years.

you have to produce something someone wants to create wealth.
they don't have much to offer in that regard.

[bkreigh]

Post the replies when they come. I'd be interested in seeing what they have to say.

Got the first one. This guy voted for Obama and was a strong supporter. We became friends after playing XBOX together. When we play CoD or something we chat about politics. He is a decent guy though. We disagree but he does his research (wrong places but does it none the less) and have friendly debates. He said a few months ago that he is really considering leaving the Democratic Party. He was going to run for something in his state but after all the BS he has seen he has withdrawn for the time being. Anyway, here is his response.

"I agree. Glover and Robertson are two examples of the extremes out there. Both nutjobs."

[Dieseler]

Got the first one. This guy voted for Obama and was a strong supporter. We became friends after playing XBOX together. When we play CoD or something we chat about politics. He is a decent guy though. We disagree but he does his research (wrong places but does it none the less) and have friendly debates. He said a few months ago that he is really considering leaving the Democratic Party. He was going to run for something in his state but after all the BS he has seen he has withdrawn for the time being. Anyway, here is his response.

"I agree. Glover and Robertson are two examples of the extremes out there. Both nutjobs."

There is hope?
Is there hope.

[jmdrake]

Yea, but name one good danny glover movie.

Silverado kicked butt. And I liked Lethal Weapon 1. It got cheesy after that though.

[jmdrake]

There is hope?
Is there hope.

http://www.lbjstore.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/0137B.jpg

[jmdrake]

Got the first one. This guy voted for Obama and was a strong supporter. We became friends after playing XBOX together. When we play CoD or something we chat about politics. He is a decent guy though. We disagree but he does his research (wrong places but does it none the less) and have friendly debates. He said a few months ago that he is really considering leaving the Democratic Party. He was going to run for something in his state but after all the BS he has seen he has withdrawn for the time being. Anyway, here is his response.

"I agree. Glover and Robertson are two examples of the extremes out there. Both nutjobs."

:cool: One person at a time! I'm still at a loss as to why Pat Robertson still has an audience. :confused:

[jmdrake]

Actually, a lot of what crumbled were buildings that were unreinforced concrete. That's what helped create that dramatic dust cloud over the city during/after the quake. The hotels and Government buildings which collapsed were certainly not tin.

Yeah. That's what I was thinking. The national palace took a big hit. The U.N. building and private hotels were flattened. In an earthquake I'd rather be in a tin house, or better yet a cardboard shack. Less mass to fall down on you. Of course hurricanes are far more common in Haiti and then you're better off in concrete. Side note I remember years ago hearing on NPR about an area in China that was expecting an earthquake. The local government got everybody involved setting up mini seismographs and reporting their readings daily. They were able to predict a big one down to within a few days. Everybody set up "earthquake alarms" which were basically coke bottles turned upside down in tin pans. When there was enough of a tremor the bottle would fall over causing a rattle and warning everyone to get out of the buildings. Nobody in that locality died. Not far away there was massive loss of life. I've always wondered why this wasn't replicated other places. Of course when you only have an earthquake every 200 years (like Haiti) that's not on the top of everybody's threat assessment.

[Chester Copperpot]

Why do actors I like have to say such idiotic things.

Everytime I watch Lethal Weapon now I'm going to think of that.

yeah exactly but with me itll be Silverado.

[TotalLiberty]

island economy with too many people.
concrete house= expensive
house made of tin= cheap

in jamaica 95% of the people live in tin huts.
the wealthy 5% had concrete houses on the mountains. (like gods on olympus)

it had nothing to do with who owned it. they had no means to obtain it.

which goes back to lack of property rights, among other problems stemming from government.

[TotalLiberty]

I bet if they had solid property rights, low taxes and a fair justice system they'd prosper just as well as Hong Kong after enough years.

Sure, they would for a few years or maybe even decades, but all this prosperity would eventually lead to another big, bloated government stealing wealth from the people and sinking it back into poverty once again- because governments by nature, grow.

Hong Kong, by the way, is not the capitalist paradise that many people think. There are way more people on the dole there than you would imagine, and it's socialism abound there.

[purplechoe]

which goes back to lack of property rights, among other problems stemming from government.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/47697.html


A Libertarian in Haiti
Posted by Laurence Vance on January 17, 2010 02:41 PM

In response to my article against the US military going to Haiti, I received the following note from a libertarian in Haiti and am posting it with his permission as I received it:

People writing articles dealing with military issues always avoid taking positions from a basic principles standpoint. You are an exception to the rule. As the head of the only libertarian organisation in Haiti, I oppose war on a non-aggression principle, view military intervention with skepticism, and raise doubt about nation building adventures. I have been witnessing and experiencing the natural calamity of an earth quake and the collapse of a state with its consequences first hand since Tuesday. It is not easy to fathom. I find myself in an awkward situation of seeking justification outside my libertarian framework for a complex and humanitarian phenomenon. Still, I don’t back away from my longing for a free society based on legitimate property rights. The next few weeks are going to be very difficult. Still, I will spend my time explaining to people that the real cause of this catastrophe is a lack of rule of law and a total disregard for life and private property rights AND THE FINAL SOLUTION LIES IN A LIMITED STATE.

[jmdrake]

which goes back to lack of property rights, among other problems stemming from government.

While I support property rights, it's not a factor in this situation. Those with the best property didn't fare too well.

http://www.thaindian.com/images/Haiti-Presidential-Palace-quake.jpg

In an earthquake I'd rather be living in this.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7LS4WnHcgiw/Rh2PL6rcLNI/AAAAAAAABag/PAtteDc1YA4/s320/shack+1.JPG

Of course the reverse is true for a hurricane, which is far more likely in Haiti.

[MelissaWV]

Where you live, in a hurricane, is about as important as what you're living in. Living on a slope (mudslides) or downwind from that tin shack (yay debris!), it really won't matter how pretty or how awesomely-built your home is. Oh, and if you live in a storm surge zone, your home had better be on some stilts and you'd better hope it's not too high a surge for them to handle :D

Ah the Caribbean... I can't say I miss it much.

[BlackTerrel]

Everytime there is a disaster people with an aggressive agenda push it as a solution. Wait until the next time there's a school shooting. The pro-gun crowd will say "oh if only there were more guns we could have stopped this guy" and the anti-gun crowd will say "oh if only guns were less accessible this wouldn't have happened".

Nothing ever happens, no one ever budges, and we get more of the same.