Brown has VOTE BOMB!

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://brownforussenate.com/voter-bomb

rolled out Sun afternoon - 13,337 signed up already.
the map rolls through them by county telling how many have signed up in each area.

2008
R - 36.20% / 1,105,908
D - 62.01% / 1.894.067 (think I read that up to 25% of Dems were jumping the fence)
I - no data given, but 42% of voters are Independents in MA, 2/3 support Brown, 1/3 the Dem.

Total population = 6,497,967
Looks like around 4.5 Mil voters total +/-

It will be interesting to watch this and see how effective "vote bombs" work, though I think they are rolling it our a day or two late.

Friend,

Now is the time to mobilize OUR voters and remind them to vote this Tuesday, January 19. You had great success with the moneybomb which raised over $1.3 Million for this campaign.

We’re going to do something similar for Election Day; it’s called The Voter Bomb.



Here is how it works: Go to the website: www.TheVoterBomb.com and tell Scott Brown right now how many voters you will personally ensure show up and vote on Tuesday January, 19th.

This means you are saying you will be responsible for verifying that your friends and fellow supporters actually voted.

That might mean you personally take your voters to the polls. It might mean you just call or email them to verify they voted. Either way, you are responsible for verifying that your network voted for Scott Brown on January, 19th.

It is that simple. We will keep a running tally so that you can see how many other people just like you have also joined the The Voter Bomb.

Do not let up.

-t

[Liberty Star]

Money bomb.
Voting bomb.

Waterboarding bomb next..?

[devil21]

Why are there still posts about this neo-con on RPF???

[Liberty_Tree]

Why are there still posts about this neo-con on RPF???

This.

[Chaohinon]

I can fully respect people who vote for truly principled candidates like Kucinich, Ron Paul, Kokesh, etc. No forgiveness for voting for warhawks, though. Your ballot is covered in blood and oil.

[Chester Copperpot]

if this guy wins we should just take credit for it... im tired of them stealing tea parties

[tonesforjonesbones]

GO GO GO BROWN..this is going to be historic if he wins that seat and we need checks and balances. tones

[tangent4ronpaul]

Why are there still posts about this neo-con on RPF???

I don't know... this post in particular is about a tactic and seeing how well it works. You are interested in political tactics - aren't you?

As to the election - gee... what is possibly the most important election of our lifetimes? - The possibility of stopping Obama's agenda cold in it's tracks? The possibility of one of the most socialist states in the country going red? Stopping health care and cap and tax? - nawww... why would a race like that remotely interest a political board like this... :rolleyes:

It's an important election. It's a close election. The outcome will have a profound effect on all of our lives.

If you don't like it, just don't read the thread about it. No one if forcing you to. Speaking of neo-con, who is the one trying to impose their will on others here?

If you wnat to bitch about him, why don't you start an anti-Brown bitch thread and if we want to read it - we will. From the poll, it looks like about 44% of us want to see a Brown win. That's not the same as saying we support Brown - more like we want to stop Obama.

-t

[Chaohinon]

As to the election - gee... what is possibly the most important election of our lifetimes? - The possibility of stopping Obama's agenda cold in it's tracks? The possibility of one of the most socialist states in the country going red? Stopping health care and cap and tax? - nawww... why would a race like that remotely interest a political board like this... :rolleyes:Yeah, I can't imagine why a forum that's dedicated to one of the most principled and uncompromising icons in mainstream political history wouldn't be interested in supporting a warmongering fascist simply for the empty satisfaction of having a Republican take the seat.

[parocks]

if this guy wins we should just take credit for it... im tired of them stealing tea parties

Now, is part of your strategy to have Republican voters never vote for Liberty candidates?

[parocks]

Yeah, I can't imagine why a forum that's dedicated to one of the most principled and uncompromising icons in mainstream political history wouldn't be interested in supporting a warmongering fascist simply for the empty satisfaction of having a Republican take the seat.

No, it's Stop Obamacare and other Obama / Democratic initiatives.

[Chaohinon]

Why stop there, though? Let's hire skinhead gangs to take care of the illegal immigration issue. Compromise can be used for good!

[tangent4ronpaul]

Why stop there, though? Let's hire skinhead gangs to take care of the illegal immigration issue. Compromise can be used for good!

Recent join - noted
106 posts - noted
Obama supporter - likely

There is a word for those that join forms and try to stir up dissent.

Your recent posts have ALL been attacks and trying to stir up shit.

-t

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Recent join - noted
106 posts - noted
Obama supporter - likely

There is a word for those that join forms and try to stir up dissent.

Your recent posts have ALL been attacks and trying to stir up shit.

-t

I doubt an anarchist is an Obama supporter.

[tangent4ronpaul]

morning blimp!

-t

[itshappening]

sick of Brown threads, f**k off he's a neocon

[tangent4ronpaul]

Then don't read them - no one is forcing you to.

-t

[LittleLightShining]

if this guy wins we should just take credit for it... im tired of them stealing tea parties

I feel your pain!


tangent has a point. This vote bomb is GOTV on steroids and something we need to pay particular attention to.

[sarahgop]

i am praying brown wins. a vote for kennedy is a vote for big govt and deathcare.

[LittleLightShining]

i am praying brown wins. a vote for kennedy is a vote for big govt and deathcare.

A vote for Kennedy is a vote for Kennedy.

[Stary Hickory]

I can fully respect people who vote for truly principled candidates like Kucinich, Ron Paul, Kokesh, etc. No forgiveness for voting for warhawks, though. Your ballot is covered in blood and oil.

See you mention Kunich who is a hardcore socialist. So I have no forgiveness for you. If I have to suffer through people here saying mater-of-factly that Kunich is a great guy....then I think Brown is fair game. I get it you are to the left fine. But don't claim to take the moral high ground when you promote Kunich as a "principled candidate"

Our choice of real libertarian candidates is thin, Brown is not one of them, he is a typical Neocon/Republican. However I can say that while people have the gall to say here that Kunich is a good guy.....I don't say that about Brown, but I do support anything to stop a leftist authoritarian push into my life and my liberties. How come I get the feeling that you wouldn't mind a statist socialist state at all?

[tangent4ronpaul]

tangent has a point. This vote bomb is GOTV on steroids and something we need to pay particular attention to.

He's up about 3,000 pledges in the first couple of hours of the day. These things obviouly have to be rolled out more than 1.5d / 48 hours before an election.

Still awsome GOTV tactic!

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

See you mention Kunich who is a hardcore socialist.

Kucinich's platform 2 presidential runs back wasn't that bad excepting his wanting gun control and his Dept of Peace. Back then some of us got in and make a lot of his supporters think twice about gun control issues. We changed some minds.

He does read and usually follows the Constitution. He and Paul often vote together.

He faught for his district against corporations and the banks when he was mayor against the public utility company going private. As a result a massive campaign was launched against him and he lost his mayoral seat. The power company went private and peoples utility rates quadrupled overnight.

Before you start lecturing me about "free market competition" I want to pass one word by you: MONOPOLY!

Kucinich is not all bad.

-t

[sarahgop]

lets have a victory bomb tuesday!!

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Kucinich's platform 2 presidential runs back wasn't that bad excepting his wanting gun control and his Dept of Peace. Back then some of us got in and make a lot of his supporters think twice about gun control issues. We changed some minds.

He does read and usually follows the Constitution. He and Paul often vote together.

He faught for his district against corporations and the banks when he was mayor against the public utility company going private. As a result a massive campaign was launched against him and he lost his mayoral seat. The power company went private and peoples utility rates quadrupled overnight.

Before you start lecturing me about "free market competition" I want to pass one word by you: MONOPOLY!

Kucinich is not all bad.

-t

There can be no such thing as a monopoly in a free-market. Utilities are not free-market, and especially not so when privatized since they enjoy the State privilege aka monopoly. MONOPOLIES DEFINITION IS STATE PRIVILEGE!

Hopefully you know that utilities are extremely regulated, and are a part of the Government. You cannot open up a new utility company.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

lets have a victory bomb tuesday!!

Yay to Romney-Care aka Obamacare! Woooo, go Brown you supporting Romney-care fool, you.

[Carole]

i am praying brown wins. a vote for kennedy is a vote for big govt and deathcare.
What does this mean?

The Kennedy running is an independent and not related to THE Kennedy family.

He is the best candidate for liberty and thus low in polls.

[devil21]

Good to see the status quo Republicans outting themselves.

I'll go ahead and make a prediction. Even if Brown wins, he'll never have to make good on his election promise of being the one Senator needed to stop Obamacare. Mark it down.


lets have a victory bomb tuesday!!

Have you donated to Rand and Peter yet?

[erowe1]

.I don't say that about Brown, but I do support anything to stop a leftist authoritarian push into my life and my liberties.

You misspoke. If you support Brown, then you support anything to stop a leftist authoritarian push into your life and liberties.

[South Park Fan]

Why are there still posts about this neo-con on RPF???

Seconded

[tangent4ronpaul]

Seconded

Start your own Brown bashing thread if you want - don't try to hijack this one.

-t

[sarahgop]

good news tangent

final polls:
ppp brown +5
arg brown +7
insider advantage brown +9

[South Park Fan]

Start your own Brown bashing thread if you want - don't try to hijack this one.

-t

This whole episode reminds me of the end of Charlie Wilson's War, where they are discussing whether their actions will be beneficial in the long run. What if it turns out that Brown ends up being the deciding vote to get Obamacare passed? Or what if he is the decisive vote to launch a war with Iran? Voting to accomplish short-term goals is stupid.

[Mini-Me]

See you mention Kunich who is a hardcore socialist. So I have no forgiveness for you. If I have to suffer through people here saying mater-of-factly that Kunich is a great guy....then I think Brown is fair game. I get it you are to the left fine. But don't claim to take the moral high ground when you promote Kunich as a "principled candidate"

Our choice of real libertarian candidates is thin, Brown is not one of them, he is a typical Neocon/Republican. However I can say that while people have the gall to say here that Kunich is a good guy.....I don't say that about Brown, but I do support anything to stop a leftist authoritarian push into my life and my liberties. How come I get the feeling that you wouldn't mind a statist socialist state at all?

Here's the distinction: Kucinich most likely has a conscience, i.e. he is most likely not a sociopath. Yes, he's a socialist and a gun-grabber and has all sorts of horrendous and immoral political opinions, but he is not a pathologically evil person like most politicians, and that probably includes Scott Brown. I would still never vote for a guy like Kucinich, and neither would almost anyone else here, but in terms of his worth as a human being, he's still deserving of a certain kind of respect that Scott Brown probably is not.

[Slutter McGee]

This whole episode reminds me of the end of Charlie Wilson's War, where they are discussing whether their actions will be beneficial in the long run. What if it turns out that Brown ends up being the deciding vote to get Obamacare passed? Or what if he is the decisive vote to launch a war with Iran? Voting to accomplish short-term goals is stupid.

Is voting to buy time to accomplish our long term goals also stupid. Some people don't want to see the country get so bad that Atlas shrugges

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[Elwar]

Back to the initial post of the thread. I think something like this would have been beneficial to Ron Paul.

I'd thought of a more complex idea of having people sign up to sign up 10 other people who would do the same and so on and so on...then just have everyone working on getting their 10 people...and once you got your 10, you worked on helping those below you get their 10...

A pyramid scheme of voters...enough levels and we would've had the votes.

[Mini-Me]

Is voting to buy time to accomplish our long term goals also stupid. Some people don't want to see the country get so bad that Atlas shrugges

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

We cannot buy time with this approach. Every single election, from now on, it will be made to seem only MORE urgent that we elect the supposed lesser of two evils for short-term gain...and it will still fail to accomplish even the intended short-term goal. As I said in a reply to tones earlier:


Flash..what message is it sending to the GOP? Why are you attacking the GOP? Why are you not attacking the Democraps who are the socialists. RON PAUL is in the GOP what is it that you dullards don't understand about that? RON PAUL IS A REPUBLICAN END OF STORY. Scott Brown is going to SHIFT THE PARADIGM. I am sure Joe Kennedy is a great patriot..but he has 3 % of the vote..that is not going to WIN and it is not going to shift the paradigm. The message that 3% of the vote is going to send to the GOP is that THE LIBERTY CANDIDATES CAN NOT WIN ELECTIONS. DUH! We have to continue to gather people into the liberty movement and do more educating. We are not big enough or strong enough to take elections especially ones like in MASS which is heavily BLUE. Please GROW UP and stop being rebellious...it is not helping ANYONE. TONES

tones, you repeatedly forget that the purported strategy is infiltrating and CHANGING the GOP, not supporting it as it stands today! You're panicking right now just like you were before you voted for McCain. Supporting neocons only reinforces the idea that they can get away with "same old, same old" perpetually, which will destroy any chance of fixing the party. You're blinded by the apparent "urgency of now," much like the liberal base was in 2005 and 2006, and they elected just any old Democrats to end the wars and restore civil liberties...but the Dems did NOT do what they were elected to do, and neither will Scott Brown if elected.

What you have to understand is that from this point on, everything will not only remain as dire and urgent as it is today, but every single election it will only get worse and even more seemingly urgent that we stop XYZ candidate or piece of particular legislation at all costs. There will NEVER, ever be a "break" where we can "safely" support liberty candidates without worrying about some horrendous and eternal piece of legislation being rammed down our throats. From the standpoint of the political establishment, the entire point of this ever-escalating sense of urgency is to get us to panic and support the same old assholes, every single time. This is the tactic the establishment has always used to maintain both the two-party system and their stranglehold over it, and you're falling for it. I warned you about this in 2008, I'm warning you about this now, and I have little doubt I'll be shouting the same warning to you later this year, in 2012, 2014, 2016, ad infinitum. By the way, voting for Scott Brown (and accomplishing NOTHING in the process) is also a great way to tell the establishment, "Hey, keep giving us the same panicked choice, because we'll fall for the same trick every time."

(Of course, all of this ignores the likelihood of widespread election fraud in the first place. I imagine elections are at least somewhat honest in some areas, otherwise Paul would likely have been gone long ago, but I have pretty much zero faith in the system as a whole.)

[tangent4ronpaul]

good news tangent

final polls:
ppp brown +5
arg brown +7
insider advantage brown +9

YEAH!

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

Back to the initial post of the thread. I think something like this would have been beneficial to Ron Paul.

I'd thought of a more complex idea of having people sign up to sign up 10 other people who would do the same and so on and so on...then just have everyone working on getting their 10 people...and once you got your 10, you worked on helping those below you get their 10...

A pyramid scheme of voters...enough levels and we would've had the votes.

OK, it's been up for a day and a half and he's gotten 27,500 (aprox) pledges. That's pretty good! Considering the election is tomorrow, I doubt he will get many more.

Another problem the application has is it limits you to sign up 20 people. One person commented their entire family was going to vote Brown - that's 40 ppl. Another busy activist had found 75 ppl. I imagine this was done to not spoof the numbers (like false $ pledges for the blimp), but considering we are talking a fraction of the population I don't see it making that much of a difference.

The comments section also serves to energize the base. It's slightly different than your average comments section in content...

Overall, this seems like an excellent GOTV tactic!

-t

[parocks]

You work on changing the GOP during the primaries. Run Liberty candidates every time. Good ones. If there is no Liberty candidate, vote for the most conservative one. Hopefully the Liberty or conservative candidate wins. Sometimes he will sometimes he won't. Then you vote for the Republican in the General.

There's no "lesser of 2 evils situation." There's your guy vs the other guy, the bad guy. Your guy might actually suck almost as bad as the other guy, but he's your guy. You worked hard to beat the nominee in the primary, but this time you didn't win, your Liberty candidate fell short. So, you support your guy in the General.
When your Liberty candidate does win the Nomination, you want the supporters of the guys who lost in the Primaries to support your guy. So you should support their guy when your guy doesn't win.

(In Ron Paul's specific case, in 2008, they were dicks to Ron Paul, so I see where he was coming from.)



We cannot buy time with this approach. Every single election, from now on, it will be made to seem only MORE urgent that we elect the supposed lesser of two evils for short-term gain...and it will still fail to accomplish even the intended short-term goal. As I said in a reply to tones earlier:



tones, you repeatedly forget that the purported strategy is infiltrating and CHANGING the GOP, not supporting it as it stands today! You're panicking right now just like you were before you voted for McCain. Supporting neocons only reinforces the idea that they can get away with "same old, same old" perpetually, which will destroy any chance of fixing the party. You're blinded by the apparent "urgency of now," much like the liberal base was in 2005 and 2006, and they elected just any old Democrats to end the wars and restore civil liberties...but the Dems did NOT do what they were elected to do, and neither will Scott Brown if elected.

What you have to understand is that from this point on, everything will not only remain as dire and urgent as it is today, but every single election it will only get worse and even more seemingly urgent that we stop XYZ candidate or piece of particular legislation at all costs. There will NEVER, ever be a "break" where we can "safely" support liberty candidates without worrying about some horrendous and eternal piece of legislation being rammed down our throats. From the standpoint of the political establishment, the entire point of this ever-escalating sense of urgency is to get us to panic and support the same old assholes, every single time. This is the tactic the establishment has always used to maintain both the two-party system and their stranglehold over it, and you're falling for it. I warned you about this in 2008, I'm warning you about this now, and I have little doubt I'll be shouting the same warning to you later this year, in 2012, 2014, 2016, ad infinitum. By the way, voting for Scott Brown (and accomplishing NOTHING in the process) is also a great way to tell the establishment, "Hey, keep giving us the same panicked choice, because we'll fall for the same trick every time."

(Of course, all of this ignores the likelihood of widespread election fraud in the first place. I imagine elections are at least somewhat honest in some areas, otherwise Paul would likely have been gone long ago, but I have pretty much zero faith in the system as a whole.)

[devil21]

good news tangent

final polls:
ppp brown +5
arg brown +7
insider advantage brown +9

Are you going to answer my question?


YEAH!

-t

Interesting reactions, since you're only observing the tactic :rolleyes:


Mods, can we get this Brown neo-con nonsense (and all of his other threads) moved to some subforum (Hot Topics works) where it's not polluting Gen Pol, the main forum currently, on LIBERTY FOREST?

[parocks]

In 24-36 hours, there will likely be a flurry of threads about the race, the results, and then you won't have to worry about this race again. Unless it's really close, a recount, or the Democrats want to pull some stunt like delaying, which is unlikely, because the Democrats do understand (I think, by now) that it would just piss the people off.


Are you going to answer my question?



Interesting reactions, since you're only observing the tactic :rolleyes:


Mods, can we get this Brown neo-con nonsense (and all of his other threads) moved to some subforum (Hot Topics works) where it's not polluting Gen Pol, the main forum currently, on LIBERTY FOREST?

[devil21]

In 24-36 hours, there will likely be a flurry of threads about the race, the results, and then you won't have to worry about this race again. Unless it's really close, a recount, or the Democrats want to pull some stunt like delaying, which is unlikely, because the Democrats do understand (I think, by now) that it would just piss the people off.

Somehow I think I'll be worrying about the result of this race regardless of who wins.

[bunklocoempire]

We cannot buy time with this approach. Every single election, from now on, it will be made to seem only MORE urgent that we elect the supposed lesser of two evils for short-term gain...and it will still fail to accomplish even the intended short-term goal. As I said in a reply to tones earlier:



tones, you repeatedly forget that the purported strategy is infiltrating and CHANGING the GOP, not supporting it as it stands today! You're panicking right now just like you were before you voted for McCain. Supporting neocons only reinforces the idea that they can get away with "same old, same old" perpetually, which will destroy any chance of fixing the party. You're blinded by the apparent "urgency of now," much like the liberal base was in 2005 and 2006, and they elected just any old Democrats to end the wars and restore civil liberties...but the Dems did NOT do what they were elected to do, and neither will Scott Brown if elected.

What you have to understand is that from this point on, everything will not only remain as dire and urgent as it is today, but every single election it will only get worse and even more seemingly urgent that we stop XYZ candidate or piece of particular legislation at all costs. There will NEVER, ever be a "break" where we can "safely" support liberty candidates without worrying about some horrendous and eternal piece of legislation being rammed down our throats. From the standpoint of the political establishment, the entire point of this ever-escalating sense of urgency is to get us to panic and support the same old assholes, every single time. This is the tactic the establishment has always used to maintain both the two-party system and their stranglehold over it, and you're falling for it. I warned you about this in 2008, I'm warning you about this now, and I have little doubt I'll be shouting the same warning to you later this year, in 2012, 2014, 2016, ad infinitum. By the way, voting for Scott Brown (and accomplishing NOTHING in the process) is also a great way to tell the establishment, "Hey, keep giving us the same panicked choice, because we'll fall for the same trick every time."

(Of course, all of this ignores the likelihood of widespread election fraud in the first place. I imagine elections are at least somewhat honest in some areas, otherwise Paul would likely have been gone long ago, but I have pretty much zero faith in the system as a whole.)

Bingo. People will get more of what they settle for. Fear is not an option for liberty minded goals.

Sig line- time to change our pants and press on.:)

Bunkloco

[Neopaulitan]

Are you kidding me with all this? Every time I login to Liberty Forrest I'm bombarded with threads to SUPPORT Brown. What happened to Libertarian values? I simply cannot believe that people are going to vote for a Republican virtually indistinguishable from a neocon based on a single freaking health care plan or some misguided attempt to show the establishment we mean business. WTF??

Do you honestly think that because you vote for Brown the healthcare bill will magically go away? If so, you're fooling yourselves and do not understand politics as they work. Even if Brown stops this particular version, rest assured another one will come along cleverly disguised as a "compromise" between the parties (read: more lobbyists were involved) that Brown will eagerly vote for.

Someone said on here a few days ago that Republicans and Democrats are two wings on the same vulture. Couldn't agree more.

I am a Ron Paul supporter because he's radically different from nearly every other politician, not just different on a few wedge issues. His entire philosophy is of individual liberty and fiscal responsibility, respect for other humans and bringing about the end of the corporate military industrial complex that runs this country.

I live in MA and will vote for Kennedy today. I hate the establishment and will do everything in my power to change it which includes voting with my conscience and not supporting a candidate who stands for war, big government, torture and the status quo.

Go ahead and flame me for my lack of posts now and call me an Obama supporter. Because even though I volunteered huge hours to RP's campaign and have been a supporter for years, my opinion will be dismissed since I haven't thousands of posts to back it up.

I don't care. I've been a fan of this forum for a long time and had to speak my disappointment about how far it's drifted from the ideals that first pulled this community together. Too bad.

[klamath]

When people figure out it isn't JUST a libertarian Forum they may have a little more peace of mind when they see OMG there are vile Republicans on here.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

When people figure out it isn't JUST a libertarian Forum they may have a little more peace of mind when they see OMG there are vile Republicans on here.

What is a Republican? A Republican has no ideological stances, it is merely a Party, unto which most of its members do not follow even a little of their platform.

A constructionist Constitutionalist is a libertarian. Our Founding was a libertarian revolution. So, you are neither a Minarchist Constitutionalist, or an An-Cap, but are a Republican. I can only surmise that you either reject much of the Constitution, or you are severely contradictory.

Most Republicans are vile, indeed all are unless they are libertarian-republicans, just like all Democrats are vile, unless they are libertarian-democrats (Bob Conley, Traficant (Leans), etc.).

Why you still play these us vs them, red vs blue, rah rah I beat you, games I have no clue. This isn't a fucking game.

[lester1/2jr]

I've gotten so many election robo calls today that Scott Coakley just called me.


This must be what it's like to be in a swing state. I hate both of these candidates and every maniac across the world has donated money to either of their campaigns, mostly scott browns. every ad, every ad even on the internet for me is scott brown or a coakley ad about scott brown. the guy looks like a soap opera actor.

[klamath]

What is a Republican? A Republican has no ideological stances, it is merely a Party, unto which most of its members do not follow even a little of their platform.

A constructionist Constitutionalist is a libertarian. Our Founding was a libertarian revolution. So, you are neither a Minarchist Constitutionalist, or an An-Cap, but are a Republican. I can only surmise that you either reject much of the Constitution, or you are severely contradictory.

Most Republicans are vile, indeed all are unless they are libertarian-republicans, just like all Democrats are vile, unless they are libertarian-democrats (Bob Conley, Traficant (Leans), etc.).

Why you still play these us vs them, red vs blue, rah rah I beat you, games I have no clue. This isn't a fucking game.

Sadly what I found out is the libertarian philosophy is just as vile as the neocons.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Sadly what I found out is the libertarian philosophy is just as vile as the neocons.

Yeah, NAP, Liberty, Private Property, all vile. :rolleyes:

[RM918]

Are you kidding me with all this? Every time I login to Liberty Forrest I'm bombarded with threads to SUPPORT Brown. What happened to Libertarian values? I simply cannot believe that people are going to vote for a Republican virtually indistinguishable from a neocon based on a single freaking health care plan or some misguided attempt to show the establishment we mean business. WTF??

Do you honestly think that because you vote for Brown the healthcare bill will magically go away? If so, you're fooling yourselves and do not understand politics as they work. Even if Brown stops this particular version, rest assured another one will come along cleverly disguised as a "compromise" between the parties (read: more lobbyists were involved) that Brown will eagerly vote for.

Someone said on here a few days ago that Republicans and Democrats are two wings on the same vulture. Couldn't agree more.

I am a Ron Paul supporter because he's radically different from nearly every other politician, not just different on a few wedge issues. His entire philosophy is of individual liberty and fiscal responsibility, respect for other humans and bringing about the end of the corporate military industrial complex that runs this country.

I live in MA and will vote for Kennedy today. I hate the establishment and will do everything in my power to change it which includes voting with my conscience and not supporting a candidate who stands for war, big government, torture and the status quo.

Go ahead and flame me for my lack of posts now and call me an Obama supporter. Because even though I volunteered huge hours to RP's campaign and have been a supporter for years, my opinion will be dismissed since I haven't thousands of posts to back it up.

I don't care. I've been a fan of this forum for a long time and had to speak my disappointment about how far it's drifted from the ideals that first pulled this community together. Too bad.

Simply enough, they are driven by their hatred for Democrats and have momentarily forgotten their opposition to the neocons. They won't rediscover it until they get stabbed in the back, yet again.

[klamath]

Yeah, NAP, Liberty, Private Property, all vile. :rolleyes:

"Liberty" Hah. Nearly every neocon claims to be for liberty just like the libertarians. But hell the neocons even have one up on the libertarians as they are for liberty around the world and willing to fight for it:rolleyes:

[ARealConservative]

anarchists :rolleyes:

[aji]

Simply enough, they are driven by their hatred for Democrats and have momentarily forgotten their opposition to the neocons. They won't rediscover it until they get stabbed in the back, yet again.

Same lesser of two evils bullshit that Ron Paul and others have warned us about.

We won't have any change unless people vote on principle and not party.

[sarahgop]

Same lesser of two evils bullshit that Ron Paul and others have warned us about.

We won't have any change unless people vote on principle and not party.

so, you support deathcare and bigger govt?

[ARealConservative]

Same lesser of two evils bullshit that Ron Paul and others have warned us about.

We won't have any change unless people vote on principle and not party.

I sure hope you live in Massachusetts!

[lester1/2jr]

"But hell the neocons even have one up on the libertarians as they are for liberty around the world and willing to fight for it"

yeah you don't want to get caught in one of those neocon stampedes outside enlistment centers. man bill kristol and richard perle almost flattened me the other day

[aji]

so, you support deathcare and bigger govt?

From my post, if you don't know the answer to that, you won't ever no matter what I say.


Here is a good watch for you.
YouTube - G. Edward Griffin - Ron Paul vs NWO Establishment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVbL0waS3Sg)

[aji]

I sure hope you live in Massachusetts!

Sorry I don't. I just hope that if Brown wins that he isn't the neocon that others have stated. I really haven't done much research on him.

[Todd]

i am praying brown wins. a vote for kennedy is a vote for big govt and deathcare.

LOL!

Where do you see that in his platform?

[ARealConservative]

Sorry I don't. I just hope that if Brown wins that he isn't the neocon that others have stated. I really haven't done much research on him.

oh, he most definitely is a neocon.

In that district, the best we can hope for is to "gum-up the works."

[aji]

ALL,

If you look at sarahGOPs name and especially the person's previous posts, you can see that they are a shill for the republican party.

[aji]

oh, he most definitely is a neocon.

In that district, the best we can hope for is to "gum-up the works."

That is too bad. I saw him in one televised speech and liked what he said.

Looks like a neocon setup for 2012. After the powers that be get their healthcare, expect more lost liberties and freedoms in the name of safety, in addition to more destruction of the Constitution from the GOP in 2012 and on.

I know the movement is trying to take back the GOP since the 2 party system is too strong to break with a 3rd party, but it is going too slow for my hopes.

[ARealConservative]

That is too bad. I saw him in one televised speech and liked what he said.

I don't trust him at all.

I'm sure when a democrat is president, they are against preemptive war and what not.

I respect people that vote for Kennedy, but 2-4% is the best chance he has.

[sarahgop]

every kennedy supporter must vote for brown.

[ARealConservative]

every kennedy supporter must vote for brown.

every voter must vote their conscious!

[devil21]

ALL,

If you look at sarahGOPs name and especially the person's previous posts, you can see that they are a shill for the republican party.

Im still waiting for the answer as to whether "sarahgop" has donated to Rand and/or Peter. Somehow I doubt I'll ever get an answer. Or rather, the lack of an answer is the answer.

[jake]

stopping Obamacare (we hope) is why this is good.

its a very lukewarm win for the Ron Paul revolution, nothing more.

now it's time to put Ron Paul Republicans in office!!!