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Liberty Star
01-16-2010, 01:16 PM
There is really no good reason to put a pro torture, pro abortion, pro foreign occupations AIPAC plant like Scott "I support the President" Brown in Senate:


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPg2UfFaCh9c&pos=9

Mike4Freedom
01-16-2010, 01:34 PM
Without 60 senators, the bill can be filibustered indefinetely.

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-16-2010, 01:36 PM
Without 60 senators, the bill can be filibustered indefinetely.

They didn't filibuster the bill the first time, what makes you think they will the second? Secondly, if the House just merely passes the Senate Bill, the Senate doesn't need 60, in fact, that's all that is needed for passage. I doubt the House will do it, but its an option. This bill is getting through with or without Scott Brown. Why anyone here supports that lump of shit I don't know.

FrankRep
01-16-2010, 01:38 PM
This bill is getting through with or without Scott Brown. Why anyone here supports that lump of shit I don't know.

Do you support Martha Coakley then?

Liberty Star
01-16-2010, 01:42 PM
Do you support Martha Coakley then?

Why would anyone assume that not supporting a liberal neocon plant with R label translates to supporting another liberal with D label?

FrankRep
01-16-2010, 01:46 PM
Why would anyone assume that not supporting a liberal neocon plant with R label translates to supporting another liberal with D label?

Either Scott Brown or Martha Coakley will get the seat. Strategically, which is better?

Liberty Star
01-16-2010, 01:52 PM
Either Scott Brown or Martha Coakley will get the seat. Strategically, which is better?

As Healthcare vote becomes a non issue:


Abortion
Coakley and Brown have same positions

Torture:
Brown supports it, Coakley opposes it

Domestic police state:
Brown is for it, Coakley don't know

Foreign occupations, reconstructions
Brown supports Obama policy on that, Coakley wants US exit from foreign occupations


Brown would be the worst choice of all three, but we should not support Dem candidate either and let this breed of GOP fall under their own wieght of dumb policies. There is a choice here, we should support Kennedy.

If "strategy" is to put more Republicans in power, what was wrong with Bush-Cheney regime then, we should have supported them.

FrankRep
01-16-2010, 02:07 PM
Foreign occupations, reconstructions
Brown supports Obama policy on that, Coakley wants US exit from foreign occupations


Martha Coakley is also an interventionist.

http://www.marthacoakley.com/about/Issues/details/27


Supporting Israel

Israel is one of our most important allies. Martha has traveled to Israel and has seen firsthand how important this democratic nation is in the region. In Washington, Martha will work to make sure Israel’s safety and security remain our priority.
...

Responding to the Threat of a Nuclear Iran

Martha takes seriously the possibility of Iran becoming a nuclear state. Martha understands that a nuclear Iran threatens the security of America and the entire Middle East.

In Washington, Martha will do everything in her power to ensure that Iran does not, under any circumstances, develop nuclear weapons.

MsDoodahs
01-16-2010, 02:07 PM
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/melrose/articles/2010/01/06/some_saw_coakley_as_lax_on_05_rape_case/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Latest+news

"In October 2005, a Somerville police officer living in Melrose raped his 23-month-old niece with a hot object, most likely a curling iron.

Keith Winfield, then 31, told police he was alone with the toddler that day and made additional statements that would ultimately be used to convict him.

But in the aftermath of the crime, a Middlesex County grand jury overseen by Martha Coakley, then the district attorney, investigated without taking action.
It was only after the toddler’s mother filed applications for criminal complaints that Coakley won grand jury indictments charging rape and assault and battery.

Even then, nearly 10 months after the crime, Coakley’s office recommended that Winfield be released on personal recognizance, with no cash bail. He remained free until December 2007, when Coakley’s successor as district attorney won a conviction and two life terms."


And yet.....the article below details the actions of Coakley in keeping an innocent person behind bars.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704281204575003341640657862.html?m od=rss_Today's_Most_Popular


I would love for Kennedy to win, but if it comes down to Brown or Coakley, I am hoping Brown manages to somehow win the seat.

Liberty Star
01-16-2010, 02:16 PM
What is Scott Brown's view on occupation costs and things that heppen under our watch:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/09/soldiers.charged/index.html

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2412520&postcount=1


Between Brown and Coakley, whose policies are more dangerous for America overall and whose stances more immoral ?

Dieseler
01-16-2010, 02:23 PM
It's basically like this to me now.
We used to have a balance of three Governmental powers in the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches.
Now we have either a balance of two Governmental powers in the Left and Right or we have Five in the Executive, Legislative, Judicial, Left and the Right.
Either way I gotta say I see it as time to look for some balance at whatever the cost, stave off the insanity any way possible.
I know it sounds shitty but wtf other recourse could one take in slowing this monster down?

Liberty Star
01-16-2010, 04:04 PM
Let's say GOP comes in power tomorrow, should we start supporting Dems for sake of balance then?

Such exercises may seem beneficial in the shortrun but useless in the end and preserve the same mess.

klamath
01-16-2010, 04:17 PM
Let's say GOP comes in power tomorrow, should we start supporting Dems for sake of balance then?

Such exercises may seem beneficial in the shortrun but useless in the end and preserve the same mess.

Absolutely if that is the only weapon available to stop an onslaught of fascism or socialism. You do what you can to allow your guys on the main line (RP Republicans working their way up the leadship ladder) to get into position to take on the enemy and achieve real victory.

Edit. I wasn't all against the democrats winning over the big spending warring Republicans but what happened is they got two big of majority in congress and were able to go rampant.

ChaosControl
01-16-2010, 04:58 PM
There is really no good reason to put a pro torture, pro abortion, pro foreign occupations AIPAC plant like Scott "I support the President" Brown in Senate:


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPg2UfFaCh9c&pos=9

Indeed he sucks, I'd never vote for such an anti-life slimeball.

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-16-2010, 06:48 PM
Do you support Martha Coakley then?

What kind of retort is this? No, I don't. I support Joe Kennedy.