Obama plans to flood Florida with Haitian evacuees:how many with contagious diseases?

[johnwk]

South Florida schools prepare for Haitian influx (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/fl-haiti-florida-schools-20100115,0,3883983.story)

Schools across South Florida soon could be enrolling thousands of Haitian children who suddenly became orphans after the devastating earthquake.


It’s one thing to help these people in a time of need but their population has one of the highest rates of people with HIV/Aids, not to mention tuberculosis and various other highly contagious diseases. If this story is true, it should be the final piece of evidence to prove we have an Administration intent on destroying America from within.

Also see: Plan To Bring Haitians To Central Fla. Not Set In Stone (http://www.wftv.com/news/22242754/detail.html)

JWK

[newbitech]

Have you been to South Florida lately? Haitians have been flooding there forever. There is even a little ghetto called "little Haiti".

It's just the first stop on the tour up the state and the broader east coast where many legal and illegal folks from the islands disperse, Orlando, Tampa, Jax, Atlanta etc etc. It seems to more connected these folks are the further north they migrate. Unless their anchor families have settled of course.

I am pretty sure that the entire island is quarantined at this point and I have a hard time understanding being worried about children spreading aids. Although I do think I share your sentiment. Where is Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, Brazil?

Why does my state have to be flooded with people who are going to "get" to suck off MY resources and the resources of MY children in the future? Then again, I do have compassion for the innocent children who's only fault is luck of the draw to where they were born.

I bet if we show some compassion for these kids, more than one of them will grow up to learn the true history of the United States and be 1000 times closer to freedom than many of those more fortunate school kids at the local elementary.

[SelfTaught]

They should go through mandatory bathing and delousing.

[Aratus]

if the gov't has a string of flu shots etc. planned, lets don't be surprised...
the cargo planes are uplifting from hanscom, which is nearby me, and for once
they are not trying to go up to greenland or iceland... insted they be goin' due south...

[Liberty Star]

While this is being done under humanitarian cause, there has been a sentiment among many people who supported Obama that he is not just an apology for our recent policies but "punishment" for "white conservative" demographic that wanted to free Iraqis. If news of massive Haitian influx is true, this will be yet another shock n awe to change complexion of America fast. White House already looks "brown", rest of America could soon too with current trends.

[johnwk]

I am pretty sure that the entire island is quarantined at this point and I have a hard time understanding being worried about children spreading aids. .

Florida’s traitorous Bill Nelson, Obama’s point man in Florida who is all in favor of Obama Care, now wants to overload Florida’s hospitals with Haiti’s earthquake victims rather than having them transported to Gitmo and treated there.


Nelson urges children's hospitals to stand ready for smallest victims (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/nelson-urges-children-s-hospitals-to-stand-ready-181009.html)

Nelson wrote. "Nonetheless, I ask that you stand ready to join the U.S. government in its relief efforts should it ask that hospitals here receive children and young adults injured in the quake." --- which means everyone
can come!

Also see: U.S. Travel ban on HIV/AIDS ends Monday (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/74157-us-travel-ban-on-hivaids-ends-Monday)

By Tony Romm - 01/04/10 09:12 AM ET


A 22-year-old immigration ban preventing those with HIV/AIDS from entering the United States ended on Monday.

President Barack Obama announced he would eliminate that ban in October, a step he said could "encourage people to get tested and get treatment."




JWK


America, we have a problem, we have been attacked from within! We are being destroyed from within by a group of domestic enemies who have managed to seize political power and whose mission is in fact to bring “change” to America ___ the dismantling of our military defensive power; the allowance of our borders to be overrun by foreign invaders, the diluting of our election process by allowing ineligible persons to vote; the destruction of our manufacturing capabilities; the strangulation of our agricultural industry and ability to produce food under the guise of environmental necessity; the looting of both our federal treasury and a mandatory retirement pension fund; the brainwashing of our nation’s children in government operated schools; the creation of an iron fisted control unauthorized by our written Constitution over America’s businesses and industries; the devaluation of our nation’s currency, and, the future enslavement of our children and grand children via unbridled debt and inflation, not to mention an iron fisted government which intends to rule their very lives!

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well this doesnt surprise me. SO..now that Haitians are protected for 18 months and will have priviliges..will they get to vote also? The democraps want to stack the deck and they need minorities to do it. tones

[Dr.3D]

I understand, Haiti has a huge problem with HIV and AIDS.

Just what we need, more carriers to help spread that disease. :rolleyes:

[newbitech]

I hear there are plenty of vacant condos on A1A. Probably all part of the plan.

[Liberty Star]

The democraps want to stack the deck and they need minorities to do it. tones

Probably, but let's remember that it was Republicans who put Obama and these dems in office.

[Epic]

Great, more forced welfare cases, non-assimilators, disease, and florida turning blue.

Get rid of the welfare state, then bring them all in.

[Dunedain]

I was waiting for this to happen. Using a deadly earthquake as just another excuse to dump more 3rd world people into America. So many people just don't get it.

And you can't protest it unless you are fine with being branded a racist. Unless things change drastically the country will be in the trashbin before we pass it on to our childern.

[catdd]

Obama is well on the way to becoming the worst president this country has ever had. A complete moron with little or no care for the welfare of Americans.

[Met Income]

I understand, Haiti has a huge problem with HIV and AIDS.

Just what we need, more carriers to help spread that disease. :rolleyes:

Fortunately, you can control for this.

[Met Income]

People should be allowed to move here. Get rid of the welfare state and then it doesn't matter. Blame the cause, not the effect.

[Joseph de Maistre]

People should be allowed to move here. Get rid of the welfare state and then it doesn't matter. Blame the cause, not the effect.

Get rid of the welfare state? You bet!

The entire world would still want to live here.

What percentage of China would come here, if they could? They have a billion people.

So, let's say only 10% of the poorest of the poor Chinese came here. That's 100 million people. That's the poorest of the poor, who have the most incentive to come here. There are even more than 100 million who would come from around the globe.

You're assuming all of these people are rational actors who would come here because they wish to work. Once the jobs are no longer available, they would stop streaming in, presumably.

The poorest of the poor in this world are not rational actors. Poor people buy lotto tickets. They spend money on tattoos and piercings that they cannot afford, in order to "express themselves."

Poor people buy lotto tickets for the same reason that they come from Ghana to live here. They don't understand how much work is required to make an income, so they look for shortcuts. If they could only live among wealthy people, then they too could be wealthy. A man can be wealthy in Ghana too, but to the poor, they do not understand that. Wealth has a location, and that location is the United States, to them.

[Met Income]

Get rid of the welfare state? You bet!

The entire world would still want to live here.

What percentage of China would come here, if they could? They have a billion people.

So, let's say only 10% of the poorest of the poor Chinese came here. That's 100 million people. That's the poorest of the poor, who have the most incentive to come here. There are even more than 100 million who would come from around the globe.

You're assuming all of these people are rational actors who would come here because they wish to work. Once the jobs are no longer available, they would stop streaming in, presumably.

The poorest of the poor in this world are not rational actors. Poor people buy lotto tickets. They spend money on tattoos and piercings that they cannot afford, in order to "express themselves."

Poor people buy lotto tickets for the same reason that they come from Ghana to live here. They don't understand how much work is required to make an income, so they look for shortcuts. If they could only live among wealthy people, then they too could be wealthy. A man can be wealthy in Ghana too, but to the poor, they do not understand that. Wealth has a location, and that location is the United States, to them.

If there's no jobs for them and no welfare state, why would they come here? You can't stay on my property.

[catdd]

Fortunately, you can control for this.

Do you always speak this way?

"Fortunately, you can control for this" I'm wondering if this is a typo or what because it's not proper English.

[Met Income]

Do you always speak this way?

"Fortunately, you can control for this" I'm wondering if this is a typo or what because it's not proper English.

Don't want AIDS? Don't bareback random people.

[catdd]

I'm wondering what are your motives for continuing to argue for open borders?

[Joseph de Maistre]

If there's no jobs for them and no welfare state, why would they come here? You can't stay on my property.

They can kill you and steal your property.

All the while you can remind them, "Hey! It is immoral to use a monopoly of violence!"

I hope you have an army in your basement, because it'll take a lot of men to fend them off. :D

[Met Income]

They can kill you and steal your property.

All the while you can remind them, "Hey! It is immoral to use a monopoly of violence!"

I hope you have an army in your basement, because it'll take a lot of men to fend them off. :D

Where did I say you can't defend yourself?

[torchbearer]

They can kill you and steal your property.

All the while you can remind them, "Hey! It is immoral to use a monopoly of violence!"

I hope you have an army in your basement, because it'll take a lot of men to fend them off. :D

obamabots are already stealing your property. the canadians have a complete socialist system. don't see anyone worried about them exporting their people here.

[Dr.3D]

Don't want AIDS? Don't bareback random people.

It's not me I'm worried about. There are many out there who just don't believe they can get those diseases. Those are the people who will just spread these diseases from those who were brought into the country with so much of it.

[Dieseler]

Madcap Antics.


Don't want AIDS? Don't bareback random people.


Fortunately, you can control for this.


You can use all of the condoms you want. You should not be able to force me to wear condoms and to force me to pay for other people's condoms. Worry about yourself and stop using guys with guns to ram through your goals.


:rolleyes:

Working on a best of here.

I'll add that one to.


Well, who's job is it to protect themselves from STDs? Us or government?

Keep em' comin'.


STDs are not a basis for denying someone the ability to travel.

Thanks, send more idiots.

[Met Income]

It's not me I'm worried about. There are many out there who just don't believe they can get those diseases. Those are the people who will just spread these diseases from those who were brought into the country with so much of it.
Well, who's job is it to protect themselves from STDs? Us or government?

[Met Income]

:rolleyes:

Working on a best of here.

STDs are not a basis for denying someone the ability to travel.

[Dr.3D]

STDs are not a basis for denying someone the ability to travel.

Nope, they sure are not. It's the fact that people with those diseases who couldn't afford to travel are being given a ticket to do so at my expense that bothers me.

Sure, buy someone with a deadly disease an all expense paid trip to the United States paid for by John Q Public, so they can spread that disease.

[prophet]

South Florida schools prepare for Haitian influx (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/fl-haiti-florida-schools-20100115,0,3883983.story)

Schools across South Florida soon could be enrolling thousands of Haitian children who suddenly became orphans after the devastating earthquake.


It’s one thing to help these people in a time of need but their population has one of the highest rates of people with HIV/Aids, not to mention tuberculosis and various other highly contagious diseases. If this story is true, it should be the final piece of evidence to prove we have an Administration intent on destroying America from within.

Also see: Plan To Bring Haitians To Central Fla. Not Set In Stone (http://www.wftv.com/news/22242754/detail.html)

JWK

The people who run the Dominican Republic have more sense than do those who run the US and Florida:"The border has been reinforced with CESFRONT soldiers [Cuerpo Especializado de Seguridad Fronteriza or the Border Security Force] in order to make shore that no illegal immigrants are coming in by taking advantage of the situation.'' --- Richard Trinidad Benitez, the general supervisor of the immigration office at the Jiman, crossing. http://www.miamiherald.com/haiti/story/1428997.html

[Joseph de Maistre]

Where did I say you can't defend yourself?

You can defend yourself against a hundred thousand hungry immigrants, most certainly! Where's your army? :D

[Met Income]

Nope, they sure are not. It's the fact that people with those diseases who couldn't afford to travel are being given a ticket to do so at my expense that bothers me.

Sure, buy someone with a deadly disease an all expense paid trip to the United States paid for by John Q Public, so they can spread that disease.

I agree 100% that we should not pay for their plane tickets. This is the essence of my argument -- if you let the free market play out, how are immigrants going to be able to travel and live here without help? They'll need to find a good paying job to do so. If they can find a good paying job, it means they are providing value. If they are providing value, we are all better off.

The free market works infinitely better than government intervention. The government is actively flooding us with immigrants who do not provide value. The free market would control this.

[Joseph de Maistre]

the canadians have a complete socialist system.

They have a standard of living.

[Met Income]

You can defend yourself against a hundred thousand hungry immigrants, most certainly! Where's your army? :D

I don't need a farm to eat, do I?

[Joseph de Maistre]

I don't need a farm to eat, do I?

So you'll pay mercenaries?

[Aratus]

IMOHO if president barack obama is not brighter and brainier than the "W" was after that there hurricane that had
tragically & directly hit the "big easy" ...could he easily & readily go into the history books the way thaahh "W" has?

[Met Income]

So you'll pay mercenaries?

You pay mercenaries now, only they don't have as much of an incentive to protect you, since there's no competition. Any concern people have will be attempted to be solved by the market, since there's a tremendous profit opportunity.

[johnwk]

I understand, Haiti has a huge problem with HIV and AIDS.

Just what we need, more carriers to help spread that disease. :rolleyes:



Haiti has an HIV/AIDS epidemic of the highest magnitude outside of sub-Saharan Africa.
The adult HIV prevalence rate in Haiti is the highest among Caribbean countries (5.6%) and the highest outside of Africa. Haiti currently has over 280,000 HIV positive persons, which accounts for 65% of the total HIV positive cases in the Caribbean. In 2003, there were approximately 24,000 total deaths due to AIDS, which represents 69% of all HIV related deaths in the Caribbean ---- LINK (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430479/)



JWK

[HOLLYWOOD]

Checkout the link... AND wait for the Finale:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/10310/saturday-night-live-bad-idea-jeans

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[johnwk]

Obama is well on the way to becoming the worst president this country has ever had. A complete moron with little or no care for the welfare of Americans.


Not a moron if the intention is to weaken and destroy America from within! What do you think the leadership of both political parties have been doing for years? Have you failed to notice America’s decline which began in the late 1980’s with the first amnesty bill?



JWK


America, we have a problem, we have been attacked from within! We are being destroyed from within by a group of domestic enemies who have managed to seize political power and whose mission is in fact to bring “change” to America ___ the dismantling of our military defensive power; the allowance of our borders to be overrun by foreign invaders, the diluting of our election process by allowing ineligible persons to vote; the destruction of our manufacturing capabilities; the strangulation of our agricultural industry and ability to produce food under the guise of environmental necessity; the looting of both our federal treasury and a mandatory retirement pension fund; the brainwashing of our nation’s children in government operated schools; the creation of an iron fisted control unauthorized by our written Constitution over America’s businesses and industries; the devaluation of our nation’s currency, and, the future enslavement of our children and grand children via unbridled debt and inflation, not to mention an iron fisted government which intends to rule their very lives!

[johnwk]

Well, the Haiti evacuee air lift is about to begin with the first landing to be in Tampa, Florida!


TIA on stand-by for possible Haitian evacuees (http://www.abcactionnews.com:80/content/news/local/hillsborough/story/TIA-on-stand-by-for-possible-Haitian-evacuees/tYOIsEqOEk2a4pYZJ27pHQ.cspx?rss=794)


TAMPA, FL – Tampa International Airport is on alert to possibly process evacuees from Haiti as early as today.

The airport called two emergency planning meetings to discuss various procedures and how to process any Haitian citizens who may be coming here.

JWK

[Dunedain]

Well, the Haiti evacuee air lift is about to begin with the first landing to be in Tampa, Florida!


TIA on stand-by for possible Haitian evacuees (http://www.abcactionnews.com:80/content/news/local/hillsborough/story/TIA-on-stand-by-for-possible-Haitian-evacuees/tYOIsEqOEk2a4pYZJ27pHQ.cspx?rss=794)


How is this in Americas best interest? This is the best thing that ever happened to many of these Haitians. Just think, the opportunity to line up at an AMERICAN welfare office!!! It's like hitting the lottery.

[rprprs]

People should be allowed to move here. Get rid of the welfare state and then it doesn't matter. Blame the cause, not the effect.


You are, of course, correct. Ending the welfare state makes this all moot. Unfortunately, it is also true that, in the interim, each and every addition to the roles of those accustomed to and dependent on government largesse, ever ending the welfare state becomes that much more unlikely.

[Dieseler]

45,000.
http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/22242754/detail.html

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

I understand, Haiti has a huge problem with HIV and AIDS.

Just what we need, more carriers to help spread that disease. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

They live in a 3rd World shithole that has poor sanitation, unclean drinking water and they are usually malnourished. Remove those conditions and most of the 'AIDS' cases will go away. And like Met Income said, don't fuck some random person without wrapping your dick first.

[fj45lvr]

How is this in Americas best interest? This is the best thing that ever happened to many of these Haitians. Just think, the opportunity to line up at an AMERICAN welfare office!!! It's like hitting the lottery.

They won't have to make mud cookies anymore I guess. crazy stuff.

[Oyate]

How is this in Americas best interest? This is the best thing that ever happened to many of these Haitians. Just think, the opportunity to line up at an AMERICAN welfare office!!! It's like hitting the lottery.

I am a life saver. I would not consciously send another human being into certain death because I care about people. I am not saying you do or you should, I am saying I do.

[Oyate]

They won't have to make mud cookies anymore I guess. crazy stuff.

Chief Seattle predicted your demise. As for your words, you are denied food from my supply.

[fj45lvr]

Chief Seattle predicted your demise. As for your words, you are denied food from my supply.

Huh?

I find it crazy that the GOV believes that it is prudent to spend tax payer money to not only feed the people but to fly them here where they probably will stay for the duration. It would be cheaper to fly over water tents and porta-pots than pay for all of that plus a TON more over here for them.

They definitely need assistance but shipping them to the U.S. crazy.

since we are the socialist welfare state of America why stop at bringing in these few hatians?? there's plenty more facing even worse (genocide).

[Son of Liberty 2]

They definitely need assistance but shipping them to the U.S. crazy.
They might vote for the Democratic Party and bigger government.

[Met Income]

You are, of course, correct. Ending the welfare state makes this all moot. Unfortunately, it is also true that, in the interim, each and every addition to the roles of those accustomed to and dependent on government largesse, ever ending the welfare state becomes that much more unlikely.

Well, we've tried that approach and it hasn't worked. Time to go for the root of the problem. Gotta chop off the head to kill the beast.

[Liberty Star]

Just a related question, God forbid if some hurricane or quake tragedy like this happens in Mexico, would Obama ( and Clinton/Bush) do the same for our Mexican brothers and sisters?

[qh4dotcom]

Why were the members Dunedain, Joseph de Maistre, prophet who posted on this thread banned?

[MelissaWV]

As little as I want to post on this thread, I think the people concerned with the spread of HIV/AIDS by immigrants are off the mark. That isn't really the issue. The forest you're not seeing for the trees is: they're sick. You are willfully importing people who will need specialized medical care. Do you think they have insurance, or are likely to have it soon?

Florida also already has some Haitian evacuees, but the ones I am thinking of were American citizens who were brought back on flights to Miami.

[YumYum]

Why were the members Dunedain, Joseph de Maistre, prophet who posted on this thread banned?

Did you read their posts? What does their hate for poor black children who are not white have to do with Ron Paul's message of Freedom and Liberty? Ron Paul has a hard battle facing him in his next re-election. The elite want him out, and they are portraying him in the very way that those that just got banned behave. If you care about C4L and the movement that Ron Paul helped to start, which I assume you do, than you would protect his good name and find disgust in racial hatred. It is one thing to discuss the merits of foreign aid, but it is another to target black children who have been orphaned by a tragedy as if they were some kind of vermin. Why are the Strormfronters sabotaging Ron Paul and his supporters? What the hell did Ron Paul do to them?

[Liberty Star]

YumYum,
Rush Limbaugh also advised against sending quake relief donations to Haiti, does Limbaugh "hate" black children and should he be banned from Republican party? It's not right to attribute any individual's view on a public open forum as this to RP.

There is a widespread Republican and "conservative" sentiment about sending limited if any funding there, we should be careful in assigning "hate group" labels on those whose views we disagree with. In posts I saw, requests for banning individial posters in the middle of these threads didn't have lot of "love" either. I suspect, ban requests against these members had less to do with plight of "children" and more to do with their critical stances against foreign lobbies stealing our money and hijacking our policies.

[johnwk]

As little as I want to post on this thread, I think the people concerned with the spread of HIV/AIDS by immigrants are off the mark. That isn't really the issue. The forest you're not seeing for the trees is: they're sick.

And that is why we have sent a floating hospital with some of the most advanced medical facilities on board not to mention is also contains an abundant supply of beds.

Apparently you have a problem of making the distinction between helping a people in need from importing their deadly problems, especially their contagious diseases (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430479/), into our country. Concerned Americans should take a trip to south Florida to see what is happening to their country in several communities dubbed “little Haiti” which are now equivalents of a third world country and our children are paying the price!

So tell me my dear, whatever happened to that promote the general welfare of the united States thing? Is the general welfare thing only used to seize despotic power as in the despotic Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009? Steny Hoyer Says the Constitution’s ‘General Welfare’ Clause Empowers Congress to Order Americans to Buy Health Insurance (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55851) So I guess from that conclusion, and maybe yours, the Constitution means whatever those in political power want it to mean.


JWK

Those who reject abiding by the intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was agree to, as those intentions and beliefs may be documented from historical records, wish to remove the anchor and rudder of our constitutional system so they may then be free to “interpret” the Constitution to mean whatever they wish it to mean.

[Endgame]

Why were the members Dunedain, Joseph de Maistre, prophet who posted on this thread banned?

Because they came here straight from Stormfront.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7684113&highlight=ronpaulforums#post7684113


See this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=226904

[YumYum]

YumYum,
Rush Limbaugh also advised against sending quake relief donations to Haiti, does Limbaugh "hate" black children and should he be banned from Republican party? It's not right to attribute any individual's view on a public open forum as this to RP.

There is a widespread Republican and "conservative" sentiment about sending limited if any funding there, we should be careful in assigning "hate group" labels on those whose views we disagree with. In posts I saw, requests for banning individial posters in the middle of these threads didn't have lot of "love" either. I suspect, ban requests against these members had less to do with plight of "children" and more to do with their critical stances against foreign lobbies stealing our money and hijacking our policies.

Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson are taking heat for their insensitive comments. Never once did these two hypocrites ever express concern for the children of Iraq who were murdered. Do the neo-cons care about Iraqi children? It seems to me that neo-cons hate all children that aren’t white, including Haitians.

Every comment here was directed at innocent children who are now orphaned. I don’t know to what extent that these comments were said in jest, but can you picture Ron Paul making these comments? I think not. Every web page that hates Ron Paul will post these comments to use against him.

: “They should go through mandatory bathing and delousing.”

: “White House already looks "brown", rest of America could soon too with current trends.”

: “The democraps want to stack the deck and they need minorities to do it.”

: “Just what we need, more carriers to help spread that disease.”

: “Great, more forced welfare cases, non-assimilators, disease, and florida turning blue.”

: “Using a deadly earthquake as just another excuse to dump more 3rd world people into America.”

: “Unless things change drastically the country will be in the trashbin before we pass it on to our childern.”

: “I hope you have an army in your basement, because it'll take a lot of men to fend them off.”

: “Those are the people who will just spread these diseases from those who were brought into the country with so much of it.”

: “Thanks, send more idiots.”

: “Sure, buy someone with a deadly disease an all expense paid trip to the United States paid for by John Q Public, so they can spread that disease.”

: “The people who run the Dominican Republic have more sense than do those who run the US and Florida:"The border has been reinforced with CESFRONT soldiers [Cuerpo Especializado de Seguridad Fronteriza or the Border Security Force] in order to make shore that no illegal immigrants are coming in by taking advantage of the situation.'' ”

: “You can defend yourself against a hundred thousand hungry immigrants, most certainly! Where's your army?”

: “This is the best thing that ever happened to many of these Haitians. Just think, the opportunity to line up at an AMERICAN welfare office!!! It's like hitting the lottery.”

: “They might vote for the Democratic Party and bigger government.”

[HOLLYWOOD]

As little as I want to post on this thread, I think the people concerned with the spread of HIV/AIDS by immigrants are off the mark. That isn't really the issue. The forest you're not seeing for the trees is: they're sick. You are willfully importing people who will need specialized medical care. Do you think they have insurance, or are likely to have it soon?

Florida also already has some Haitian evacuees, but the ones I am thinking of were American citizens who were brought back on flights to Miami.

Yes indeed. Had a heated big formal dinner last night with half the table Socialists (wanting health care, etc etc), 1/4 Neocons, and the last 1/4 Libertarian/Conservatives.

Very interesting when a few of us, pointed out the plans, operations, and motives and all longterm effects, as opposed to the other 2 groups talking head points and parroting crap they hear on the TV/radio. Never seen such people think for 2 seconds and see as far as the end of their nose. Notice how Obama sent them to CENTRAL FLORIDA and NOT SOUTH FLORIDA or MIAMI? Now why would he do that? No one could counter the the RP/Libertarian intelligence supporters. Everything the government does is for a premeditated reason. At least this makes Obozo's peace prize a little more than just globalist indoctrination.


http://worldnews.about.com/b/2010/01/12/devastating-7-0-quake-strikes-haiti.htm

Elitist and Aristocrats have no problem spending the taxpayer's money. The well conjured-up dichotomy of the state has the peasants feuding with one another, while the aristocracy enjoys the distractions. US citizens given flight back to the US must sign a Promissary Note to repay the costs.

If anything, this is a UN issue, should of been from the beginning and the UN should handle it and bill all the nations in membership for their VOLUNTARY share. That means China's share should currently be $45 Million, not $4.5 million. The US government should send a complete bill to the UN, and it's taxpayers be reimbursed for anything over the respective percentage. Let Charity RING... not mandated spending of the US Taxpayer's DEBT.


http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-389410

"...with evacuees asked to sign a promissory note agreeing to pay for the cost of ... U.S. citizens in Haiti should remain in shelter."

$1.2 billion in debts canceled to help Haiti by World Bank/IMF
http://haitianpoliticsforum.blogspot.com/2009/07/12-billion-in-debts-canceled-to-help.html

[catdd]

If anything, this is a UN issue, should of been from the beginning and the UN should handle it and bill all the nations in membership for their VOLUNTARY share. That means China's share should currently be $45 Million, not $4.5 million. The US government should send a complete bill to the UN, and it's taxpayers be reimbursed for anything over the respective percentage. Let Charity RING... not mandated spending of the US Taxpayer's DEBT."


I've been thinking the same thing.

[jmdrake]

Do you always speak this way?

"Fortunately, you can control for this" I'm wondering if this is a typo or what because it's not proper English.

It goes through the grammar checker fine. What's your beef with it?

http://www.spellchecker.net/spellcheck/

[jmdrake]

If anything, this is a UN issue, should of been from the beginning and the UN should handle it and bill all the nations in membership for their VOLUNTARY share. That means China's share should currently be $45 Million, not $4.5 million. The US government should send a complete bill to the UN, and it's taxpayers be reimbursed for anything over the respective percentage. Let Charity RING... not mandated spending of the US Taxpayer's DEBT."


I've been thinking the same thing.

And here I was thinking this movement wanted to get rid of the U.N.

[Volitzer]

Elect Constitutionalist on the local level and declare 10th Amendment rights.

[catdd]

[QUOTE=jmdrake;2497912]It goes through the grammar checker fine. What's your beef with it?


What's it to you? You want to start with me now?

[jmdrake]

[QUOTE=jmdrake;2497912]It goes through the grammar checker fine. What's your beef with it?


What's it to you? You want to start with me now?

I just asked you a simple question. Is this "take offense at nothing week"? :rolleyes: You criticized someone's grammar and I asked what was wrong with it.

[catdd]

[QUOTE=catdd;2498067]

I just asked you a simple question. Is this "take offense at nothing week"? :rolleyes: You criticized someone's grammar and I asked what was wrong with it.

I criticized the way the sentence was put together. I was speaking to him and it's none of your business.
You have a bad habit of interjecting between people and casing more problems than you solve. Stop being a busy body for awhile.

[jmdrake]

[QUOTE=jmdrake;2498070]

I criticized the way the sentence was put together. I was speaking to him and it's none of your business.
You have a bad habit of interjecting between people and casing more problems than you solve. Stop being a busy body for awhile.

Oh get your panties out of a wad. If you criticize someone else on a public forum expect your own statement to be criticized back even by a third party. It would be the same if you attacked someone's spelling and misspelled a word in the process. You want a conversation to be private it, PM it Mr. U.N. And if you're talking about my recent conversation between IP and LLS, I was talking to IP before she butted in. So put a sock in it hypocrite.

[catdd]

[QUOTE=catdd;2498072]

Oh get your panties out of a wad. If you criticize someone else on a public forum expect your own statement to be criticized back even by a third party. It would be the same if you attacked someone's spelling and misspelled a word in the process. You want a conversation to be private it, PM it Mr. U.N.

It's none of your business wimp. I know what you are doing you know.
All of these interesting topics and with so much going on in the world, how is it you have so much time to pick a fight with me?

[MelissaWV]

[QUOTE=jmdrake;2498070]

I criticized the way the sentence was put together. I was speaking to him and it's none of your business.
You have a bad habit of interjecting between people and casing more problems than you solve. Stop being a busy body for awhile.

It's traditionally spelled "busybody." Sorry. I just had to :) It's my job.

* * *

jmdrake:

For the record, "You can control for it" would be most likely used to mean that you can remove it as a factor from an experiment. Wind speed? You can control for it. You can set up your control in an experiment to account for wind.

I think what was being stated, instead, was that you can control the spread of AIDS via your own behavior, at this point. While this is true, you're not always guaranteed your partner doesn't have it. Even marriage or monogamy is not really a 100% safeguard, as history has shown time and time again that people cheat and, if they do, are not that eager to tell their partner(s) about it. You're only as safe as all of your sexual partners are/have been, or as clean as your needles, or as safe as your blood supply. Thankfully the latter is far safer than it used to be.

[jmdrake]

[QUOTE=jmdrake;2498084]

It's none of your business wimp. I know what you are doing you know.

Wimp? That would be you mr. anonymous. You're just mad because your English lesson didn't go through as planned.

[catdd]

You are a nit picker and a wimp. You want to know my name and address? Just pm me.

[jmdrake]

[QUOTE=catdd;2498072]

It's traditionally spelled "busybody." Sorry. I just had to :) It's my job.

* * *

jmdrake:

For the record, "You can control for it" would be most likely used to mean that you can remove it as a factor from an experiment. Wind speed? You can control for it. You can set up your control in an experiment to account for wind.

I think what was being stated, instead, was that you can control the spread of AIDS via your own behavior, at this point. While this is true, you're not always guaranteed your partner doesn't have it. Even marriage or monogamy is not really a 100% safeguard, as history has shown time and time again that people cheat and, if they do, are not that eager to tell their partner(s) about it. You're only as safe as all of your sexual partners are/have been, or as clean as your needles, or as safe as your blood supply. Thankfully the latter is far safer than it used to be.

Well who knows. Maybe the OP was considering setting up an experiment on the spread of HIV. ;)

And sure nothing is 100% except celibacy. But it's not like you're going to catch HIV from breathing either. Anyway, enough belaboring the obvious.

[MelissaWV]

And that is why we have sent a floating hospital with some of the most advanced medical facilities on board not to mention is also contains an abundant supply of beds.

Apparently you have a problem of making the distinction between helping a people in need from importing their deadly problems, especially their contagious diseases (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430479/), into our country. Concerned Americans should take a trip to south Florida to see what is happening to their country in several communities dubbed “little Haiti” which are now equivalents of a third world country and our children are paying the price!

So tell me my dear, whatever happened to that promote the general welfare of the united States thing? Is the general welfare thing only used to seize despotic power as in the despotic Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009? Steny Hoyer Says the Constitution’s ‘General Welfare’ Clause Empowers Congress to Order Americans to Buy Health Insurance (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55851) So I guess from that conclusion, and maybe yours, the Constitution means whatever those in political power want it to mean.

My goodness... what are you on about? :confused: I don't give a shit about the fact AIDS is contagious, because it is most certainly NOT contagious to ME. What I do give a shit about, in this instance, is that the people in question who are being flown in will be receiving care here in the USA, and there is a no-deporting-to-Haiti directive in place right now. Expensive, specialized medical care at a US hospital... who will be footing THAT bill?

I have been to Little Haiti on various occasions. It doesn't strike me as particularly worse than the number of other really shitty neighborhoods I've been in. Maybe that's why race and ethnicity don't blip on my radar about it, since I've seen every color of the rainbow living in really bad conditions at some point or another. Squalor doesn't really distinguish based on origin. Near Little Haiti I'm sure you noticed Seminole or Miccosukee land that was far from flourishing.

I really don't care who I'm subsidizing. I object to the involuntary subsidizing I'm being forced to undertake, period. I give plenty on my own to efforts I deem worthy and efficient; the Government is neither.

ALSO: Can you change that last sentence to actually be in your sig so people can quote you properly? It's a real pain in the ass. Thanks.

[jmdrake]

You are a nit picker and a wimp. You want to know my name and address? Just pm me.

:rolleyes: You're the one that started with the nit picking pussyfoot. I just pointed out that it wasn't grammatically incorrect. As far as PMing, do you even know how that works? I mean you post things in public and then pitch a fit like a little girl when someone "interjects". Anything posted on a public forum is fair game for comment. If you don't know that then you are too stupid to own a computer.

[catdd]

:rolleyes: You're the one that started with the nit picking pussyfoot. I just pointed out that it wasn't grammatically incorrect. As far as PMing, do you even know how that works? I mean you post things in public and then pitch a fit like a little girl when someone "interjects". Anything posted on a public forum is fair game for comment. If you don't know that then you are too stupid to own a computer.

Just send me the private message and I'll tell you anything you want to know. wimp

[jmdrake]

Just send me the private message and I'll tell you anything you want to know. wimp

Like why you're such a hypersensitive jerk? Or why you want the U.N. in charge when most of us want the U.N. abolished? Or why you want to rag on someone else and then get mad when somebody asks you a simple question? Anything I want to know from you I can ask in public. I just find it funny that you want to hide behind a fake name and then call someone else a wimp. And "PMing" your real name still doesn't change the fact that you're hiding behind a fake one. I don't mind you don't that. But it's just no proof of bravery that's all.

[catdd]

You called me mr anonymous and practically dared me to tell you my private info and I told you to PM me and ask me man to man and you won't do it now. I nailed you as a wimp long ago.

[MelissaWV]

You can both pee precisely the same distance.


Can we talk about Haiti now?

[jmdrake]

You called me mr anonymous and practically dared me to tell you my private info and I told you to PM me and ask me man to man and you won't do it now. I nailed you as a wimp long ago.

No dumbass. I didn't ask for your private information. I asked you why you're hiding behind a fake name. Why would I want your private information? So I could post it publicly? If you're not going to do it why should I? What would be the point? You can come out of hiding if you want. If you don't then feel free to stay there. I have nothing to hide.

Finally I just went back in this thread and noticed something. You criticized me for addressing you when you hadn't addressed me directly. Well guess what dumbass of the year? That's what you did to Mini-Me! He wasn't addressing you when you attacked his sentence structure! So why don't you take your own advice and mind your own business?

Really, every day the hypocrites here get worse.

[catdd]

How many people here have screen names wimpy? I don't see little sissy busybodies bothering anyone else for their real name on the boards but you.
I told you that if you asked me in private I'd tell you. Stop being a chump.

[jmdrake]

How many people here have screen names wimpy? I don't see little sissy busybodies bothering anyone else for their real name on the boards but you.
I told you that if you asked me in private I'd tell you. Stop being a chump.

How many people run around like little children calling people wimps for...really I don't even know at this point. I've already shown that you were the one being the "sissy busybody". You were the one that stepped in on someone who wasn't addressing you and questioned his writing style. I questioned why you questioned it. You went off like you had a burr up your butt. Why I'll never know. It must just be a mental problem on your part. Maybe you somehow really think I'm you and you are criticizing me because you can't bring yourself to criticize yourself? I don't know. But it's settled. You are the one who needs to mind your own business. I wasn't even saying that at first. I just asked you a simple question which you seem unable to answer. Get some help.

[Mini-Me]

YouTube - Bad boys 2 part 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJma7KOltAc#t=7m20s)
"And you two motherfuckers need Jesus!" ;)

[catdd]

How many people run around like little children calling people wimps for...really I don't even know at this point. I've already shown that you were the one being the "sissy busybody". You were the one that stepped in on someone who wasn't addressing you and questioned his writing style. I questioned why you questioned it. You went off like you had a burr up your butt. Why I'll never know. It must just be a mental problem on your part. Maybe you somehow really think I'm you and you are criticizing me because you can't bring yourself to criticize yourself? I don't know. But it's settled. You are the one who needs to mind your own business. I wasn't even saying that at first. I just asked you a simple question which you seem unable to answer. Get some help.

I told you it was none of your business from the beginning but you wouldn't settle for that, would you?
Why not?
Is that something you just HAD TO KNOW??? I wouldn't tell you now for a million bucks, wimp.
I think it's because you were purposefully picking a fight.

[YumYum]

You can both pee precisely the same distance.

True, but some men prefer to sit down when urinating. Unless, you are talking about golden showers.

[jmdrake]

I told you it was none of your business from the beginning but you wouldn't settle for that, would you?
Why not?
Is that something you just HAD TO KNOW??? I wouldn't tell you now for a million bucks, wimp.
I think it's because you were purposefully picking a fight.

:rolleyes: Oh please. You are just an ignorant little child who needs to grow up. Clearly you are the one picking a fight. And clearly you are the one that jumped into something that wasn't your business. And you are too much of a coward to admit that. Mini-Me wasn't talking to you, you criticized what he wrote, I pointed out that what he wrote was grammatically correct and asked you what your beef was with it, for reasons known only to you, you decided to pick a fight with me, you called me a wimp, and I pointed that I'm not the one hiding behind the fake name. Somehow in your twisted little mind that turned into a "dare" for you to "PM me your name". Why? What would that change? The thread record speaks for itself. I wasn't picking a fight and you are clearly insecure.

[jmdrake]

You can both pee precisely the same distance.


Can we talk about Haiti now?

I really haven't seen much discussion about Haiti in any of the "Haiti" threads. But feel free to bump one that actually has constructive information in it.

[Mini-Me]

:rolleyes: Oh please. You are just an ignorant little child who needs to grow up. Clearly you are the one picking a fight. And clearly you are the one that jumped into something that wasn't your business. And you are too much of a coward to admit that. Mini-Me wasn't talking to you, you criticized what he wrote, I pointed out that what he wrote was grammatically correct and asked you what your beef was with it, for reasons known only to you, you decided to pick a fight with me, you called me a wimp, and I pointed that I'm not the one hiding behind the fake name. Somehow in your twisted little mind that turned into a "dare" for you to "PM me your name". Why? What would that change? The thread record speaks for itself. I wasn't picking a fight and you are clearly insecure.

Wait, huh? That was Met Income you were defending, not me.

I mean, it doesn't really matter or anything. It's just that I did a double-take seeing my name mentioned. :)

[jmdrake]

Wait, huh? That was Met Income you were defending, not me.

I mean, it doesn't really matter or anything. It's just that I did a double-take seeing my name mentioned. :)

My bad. I knew it was a 2 word "M" handle. ;) Anyway I haven't seen anything as silly as how this thread has turned out in my life. Apparently I made catdd mad in some other thread and instead of addressing it there he decided to pick a fight here that for the life of me I can't make sense of. Oh well. It takes all kinds.

[johnwk]

My goodness... what are you on about? :confused: I don't give a shit about the fact AIDS is contagious, .

I'm sure you don't care about our border being invaded with carriers of contagious deseases such as TB, HIV/AIDS, etc.

So tell me, whatever happened to our federal government’s mandate to promote the general welfare of the united States? Does this include allowing those with contagious diseases to enter our Country as Obama has chosen to do (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/74157-us-travel-ban-on-hivaids-ends-Monday)?

I get the feeling you and Obama would make great bedroom partners.


JWK



Those who reject abiding by the intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was agree to, as those intentions and beliefs may be documented from historical records, wish to remove the anchor and rudder of our constitutional system so they may then be free to “interpret” the Constitution to mean whatever they wish it to mean.

[Liberty Star]

Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson are taking heat for their insensitive comments. Never once did these two hypocrites ever express concern for the children of Iraq who were murdered. Do the neo-cons care about Iraqi children? It seems to me that neo-cons hate all children that aren’t white, including Haitians.

Every comment here was directed at innocent children who are now orphaned. I don’t know to what extent that these comments were said in jest, but can you picture Ron Paul making these comments? I think not. Every web page that hates Ron Paul will post these comments to use against him.

: “They should go through mandatory bathing and delousing.”

: “White House already looks "brown", rest of America could soon too with current trends.”

: “The democraps want to stack the deck and they need minorities to do it.”

: “Just what we need, more carriers to help spread that disease.”

:...

You missed a good one:


Genocide in Darfur, Rwanada, Gaza or other places is related but looking at current conflicts we're involved in, moral consiserations can't apply uniformaly because all civilians are not created equal ; a civilian child, woman or man killed in one of the foreign countries like Iraq,Afghanistan we are bombing would not have same value as a civilian of our own race. I would be called politically incorrect but this is how it is.

If Harry Reid won't be banned from Senate for discussing Obama's "light skin" shade and "negro dialect", there is no reason people on this forum should not have the right to express their politicaly incorrect view in similar tone.

Occasionally things do get out of hand and "insensitive" comments are made and are rightfully moved to hot place but I for one would not ask for anyone to be completely denied the opportunity to give their opinion. Couple of quoted comments are offensive but taking all these comments out of context doesn't tell the full story.

I also notice some selective outrage in recent complaints. Now if anyone who asked people to be banned because of their "insensitivity" towards children of Haiti also spoke against man made war crimes targetting children of Gaza, I would take back what I just said and will stand corrected. Did anyone?
On a related note, many Dems in office today are probably more racist that Repubs.

[MelissaWV]

I'm sure you don't care about our border being invaded with carriers of contagious deseases such as TB, HIV/AIDS, etc.

So tell me, whatever happened to our federal government’s mandate to promote the general welfare of the united States? Does this include allowing those with contagious diseases to enter our Country as Obama has chosen to do (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/74157-us-travel-ban-on-hivaids-ends-Monday)?

I get the feeling you and Obama would make great bedroom partners.


JWK



Those who reject abiding by the intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was agree to, as those intentions and beliefs may be documented from historical records, wish to remove the anchor and rudder of our constitutional system so they may then be free to “interpret” the Constitution to mean whatever they wish it to mean.

Do you ever read past the first sentence? Do you lack reading comprehension skills? Are you a troll?

Trifecta.

[catdd]

My bad. I knew it was a 2 word "M" handle. ;) Anyway I haven't seen anything as silly as how this thread has turned out in my life. Apparently I made catdd mad in some other thread and instead of addressing it there he decided to pick a fight here that for the life of me I can't make sense of. Oh well. It takes all kinds.

Yeah, it takes all kinds. Skunks wimps, rodents...
I knew you picked that fight on purpose. You thought I had insulted mini me and you went after me with an attitude.
I told you that you have a bad habit of interjecting and making things worse; now didn't I? It's not the first time you did this, I remember we got into a brief argument before over you interfering between 2 posters. I say you've been just itching for another excuse to start.