Why wasn't there a kennedy money bomb? [Archive] - Ron Paul Forums / Liberty Forest

tangent4ronpaul

01-12-2010, 10:26 AM

People think that if Brown is elected he'll be able to stop the Health Care bill from passing.

What they don't understand is the final bill will be sent back to the Senate in a way that only a 51 majority will be required to pass the final bill.

I was pretty sure a final bill had to get cloture for acceptance from both the House and Senate in order for it to go to a final vote. That takes 60 votes in the Senate. The only way I can see that being bypassed is if the House accepts the Senate version in it's entirety - but they aren't - they are making changes to merge the bills.

-t

parocks

01-12-2010, 10:28 AM

People think that if Brown is elected he'll be able to stop the Health Care bill from passing.

What they don't understand is the final bill will be sent back to the Senate in a way that only a 51 majority will be required to pass the final bill.

That remains to be seen. I think it has something to do with whether there are any modifications to either the House or the Senate bill.

But most Republicans do want to stop pretty much everything Obama has to offer, not just Obamacare.

Liberty Star

01-12-2010, 10:32 AM

But most Republicans do want to stop pretty much everything Obama has to offer, not just Obamacare.

We should let Repubs mind their own business but Scott "I support the President" Brown is not a peoples candidate but a lobbies tool. His positions are 100% in line with Joe Lieberman, senate does not need another one like that.

Elwar

01-12-2010, 10:34 AM

I'm not saying you're wrong, but could you please explain this maybe with a link if possible.

Quick google search I found this:

GRAHAM: The chances are -- here is what I believe, that any bill that the Senate passes will wind up with a public option in conference with the House because that's where they want, a single-payer plan.

This government option is the first step toward universal coverage and government controlled health care. So no matter what we do in the Senate, it has to be conferenced with the House, and that report only requires 50 votes.

You need 60 votes to pass a bill in the Senate. But once the House and the Senate compromise of a bill, all you need is 50 votes.

So I'm urging every Republican and every moderate Democrat do not vote for any bill until the Speaker of the House promises not to put the public option into conference.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573927,00.html

parocks

01-12-2010, 10:40 AM

I'm taking a lot of crap from people here for my pro Brown, anti Kennedy stand, but I've been paying attention to this race, including Kennedy since December 10.
I came here to see what people had to say about Kennedy. I started a thread about it.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=222228

Nobody was jumping up and down about how we Ron Paul supporters have nothing else to do and we should make signs, and support Kennedy in that
Ron Paul style grass roots way we all loved doing in 2007-8.

I suggested we do that. I personally thought that Brown might be the better place to spend your money, but I thought that Kennedy could use some signs around Boston.

No one else - when it could've made a difference - when Kennedy actually had a long shot chance of winning - cared at all or wanted to do anything about it.

Nope, now that it's a close race, now that Brown has a real chance, I'd say,
now that Brown has a fresh stack of cash, he's got a 50-50 chance, now that
Kennedy has no chance of winning, here come the people who want to help
Kennedy. It appears people only want to help Kennedy when it hurts Brown.
Hmmm. If I didn't know better, I'd say this board is infected with Democrat trolls.

As it looks, I was Kennedy's earliest semi-supporter here (at least I had a little"strategy" for him), as well as one among Brown's strongest supporters currently.

Money Bombs should be saved for candidates who either have a shot at winning, or have the potential and time to have a shot at winning in the future. Kennedy has neither.

The election of Brown isn't about his politics. Its about sending a big fuck you to the Dems. Its about causing gridlock in Congress if possible.

The majority of time I agree with people who say not to vote for the lesser of two evils. But in this election, voting for the party, rather than the person has the potential to be beneficial for liberty.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

parocks

01-12-2010, 10:41 AM

We should let Repubs mind their own business but Scott "I support the President" Brown is not a peoples candidate but a lobbies tool. His positions are 100% in line with Joe Lieberman, senate does not need another one like that.

Brown would be voting against Obama's legislation more than Coakley would.

itshappening

01-12-2010, 10:50 AM

Brown would be voting against Obama's legislation more than Coakley would.

he will be doing deals for his vote like Snowe does. he is not what we need, save your money for Rand

lester1/2jr

01-12-2010, 10:52 AM

Money Bombs should be saved for candidates who either have a shot at winning, or have the potential and time to have a shot at winning in the future. Kennedy has neither.

I wasn't aware of this. I knew full well Ron Paul wasn't going to win when I was giving money to him during his various bombs. I was making a statement.

jmdrake

01-12-2010, 11:14 AM

I wasn't aware of this. I knew full well Ron Paul wasn't going to win when I was giving money to him during his various bombs. I was making a statement.

That! Some people are all tactics and no strategy. It might be tactically good for Brown to win in the short term. But long term if we adopt the "let's support the lesser of two evils approach because he can win" then we lose our legitimacy. In 2008 there were people advocating support for Obama or McCain using the same "lesser of two evils" logic, without realizing that they both suck. If post 2010 the GOP takes over again without any advance in liberty candidates then nothing will have changed. Had John McCain or Mitt Romney been elected they would be pushing the same agenda. The current version of Obamacare is merely Romneycare tweaked.

lester1/2jr

01-12-2010, 11:20 AM

I supported ron paul because he was uncompromising. so I'm going to also be. I'm not interested in politics. I want to destroy politics

danielboon

01-12-2010, 11:27 AM

actually,kennedy might have more of a chance than you think many older people will vote for him just because of his name..

Slutter McGee

01-12-2010, 11:39 AM

I wasn't aware of this. I knew full well Ron Paul wasn't going to win when I was giving money to him during his various bombs. I was making a statement.

Its not the same damn thing and you know it. There is a big difference between giving a lot of money to a Republican running for President who is starting an entire movement but is polling low several months before a primary election and giving a lot of money to a Libertarian who is running for Senate who is starting nothing while polling low one week before a General election.

If you can't see the difference. Well, have fun throwing away your money.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

lester1/2jr

01-12-2010, 11:41 AM

lol yeah I'M the one who is throwing my money away. anyone who gave money to Scott Porn Star Romney-ite Brown expecting to advance the liberty movement is the one throwing their money away

jmdrake

01-12-2010, 11:43 AM

Its not the same damn thing and you know it. There is a big difference between giving a lot of money to a Republican running for President who is starting an entire movement but is polling low several months before a primary election and giving a lot of money to a Libertarian who is running for Senate who is starting nothing while polling low one week before a General election.

If you can't see the difference. Well, have fun throwing away your money.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

:rolleyes: Gee, I didn't know that Kennedy didn't get into the race until a few days ago. Gee, I didn't know that there were still Ron Paul moneybombs long after it was clear he still wasn't going to win. My bad.

Seriously, we need to do a better job of tracking actual liberty candidates. Every time I turn around I hear about a new one. Sometimes when it's too late for us to do much good.

Cinderella

01-12-2010, 11:48 AM

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=226149

parocks

01-12-2010, 11:53 AM

he will be doing deals for his vote like Snowe does. he is not what we need, save your money for Rand

I don't know about the doing deals part, but "save your money for Rand" is a rock solid argument.

Other strong arguments, or facts, or lines, could be.

1) Brown's ok, and it's good that he'll try to Stop Obama (we think), and it's the only chance we've got until November, but don't we want to spend our money for someone we know we like, like Rand Paul or Schiff? Schiff is a near expert on the Fed, and think about how huge it would be to have Schiff in the Senate. Yes, things would be a little worse for a short period of time if Brown doesn't win, but if we get Schiff and Rand Paul in there, we might be able to draft some good legislation sometime in the future instead of simply trying to stop bad legislation.

2) If our monetary system collapses, we are absolutely going to need someone in there who is not going to allow us to be screwed even worse by the international bankers. We really need Schiff and Rand Paul in there.

Etc etc. It's fairly easy to make an argument against giving money to Scott Brown
in favor of someone else who is clearly better.

FrankRep

01-12-2010, 11:53 AM

I watched the debate last night. Scott Brown isn't a ron paul candidate! He's an obnoxious Mitt Romney style republican. Kennedy was a libertarian.

If Brown has even heard of Ron Paul he probably hates him. I don't understand this strategy one bit

The Republicans aren't going to throw away an opportunity to turn Mass. into a Red state.

parocks

01-12-2010, 12:24 PM

actually,kennedy might have more of a chance than you think many older people will vote for him just because of his name..

Here's a thread I started when Kennedy still had a chance, a long shot chance, but a chance - a month ago, Dec 10.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=222228

Here I interpreted the race, base on the limited knowledge that I had.

I recommended signs for Kennedy, word of mouth for Kennedy, and money for Brown.

I've been posting on threads about money for Brown, people here are reading about those threads, possibly considering giving money (most here not), raising the amount of talk about Kennedy.

Now, if people want to help Kennedy, what Kennedy needs are signs. If there's someone out there who really cares about signs (and if memory serves there's a huge segment of Ron Paul supporters out there who were all about signs), here's what you do.

Go to a Joe Kennedy office and get a sign. Duplicate the sign many times. Make as many exact duplicates of the official Joe Kennedy for Senate sign. Get that done by 1am Tuesday. If there is more than one sign, take one that looks like it
would be used by Bobby's kid. Go to Cambridge and Boston. You should have a list of all polling places with you. Find out what the rules are about posting signs at or near polling places. Usually they allow signs somewhere near polling places.
Between 1am and when the polls open go to all the polling places in Cambridge and put up the signs. When you're done, drive down Mass Ave, cross the Charles river, stop in at the Marlborough Market on the corner of Mass and Marlborough, get yourself a drink, figure out how much time you have left and hit some good polling places in Boston.

When you're doing that, somebody else it at the colleges putting up the guerilla, Ron Paul Revolution type hand made / stencilly-like or similar cool signs. All big and cool and WOW! Maybe you just make one amazingly huge and super cool
20 feet by 100 feet sign and drape it over the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. You'll want to put that up right before first light, maybe about 6 am? Take lots of pictures of it, real quick like and get out of there. Send those pics to the Harvard Crimson. If you have a lot of time, hit Harvard, BU, Northeastern, etc.

Remember, Kennedy does not have a chance of winning, but if you like doing that kind of guerilla politicing (and many of you do), you can do something in a certain area, and look at the election results and see how Kennedy did in the areas you hit compared to the areas you didn't hit, and then feel that you made a real,
concrete difference in the results. Kennedy won't win either way, but you can
quantify the differences from polling place to polling place. You can tell people your story and they'll think it's super cool and whatnot (or not, but some would).

If people wanted to make a big effort out of this, there's plenty of time to accomplish all of this. It took about 3 or 4 days for the word "money bomb" to go from a new word here to something that everyone knew here.

Aratus

01-12-2010, 12:25 PM

Joe Kennedy clearly wants to both audit the FED & also if need be, END THE FED!
He basically backed Ron Paul & H.R 1207 with its 312+ co-sponsors to our voters!

HOLLYWOOD

01-12-2010, 12:27 PM

Sad, I didn't hear about Joe Kennedy until I stumbled upon reading the comments section to an article. I only knew were the 2 left/lefter candidates in the race.

here: http://www.personalliberty.com/news/first-salvos-fired-in-high-profile-massachusetts-senate-run-19504755/

What I find odd is the URL/SITE: www.personalliberty.com Liberty? How come they weren't pushing Joe Kennedy?

It misses Joe Kennedy, but the comments section is great and that's where I found Kennedy.

revolutionary8

01-12-2010, 12:34 PM

Money Bombs should be saved for candidates who either have a shot at winning, or have the potential and time to have a shot at winning in the future. Kennedy has neither.

The election of Brown isn't about his politics. Its about sending a big fuck you to the Dems. Its about causing gridlock in Congress if possible.

The majority of time I agree with people who say not to vote for the lesser of two evils. But in this election, voting for the party, rather than the person has the potential to be beneficial for liberty.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

If Ron Paul people had followed this advice, then there would have never been a money bomb for Ron Paul.

Money Bombs not only help the candidates spread THEIR message, they also bring others in to fold. First of all "winning" is NOT an absolute. Ron Paul "lost" the bid for the presidency, but Ron Paul did not "lose".
These arguments are strawmen, first because by definition, we should have a money bomb for Brown, simply b/c he can "win", neverming the fact that we would ALL lose when he gets in there. "We" are not only voting/raising $ for further extensions of the PA, but to promote more WAR, and then on top of that, become a shill for Obamacare Romneycare.

We ALL lose with a warmonger/torture lovign neocon in office.

People are not FORCED to donate in money bombs, they donate because they like what they hear/see.

Justinjj1

01-12-2010, 12:34 PM

tangent4ronpaul

01-12-2010, 12:42 PM

Sad, I didn't hear about Joe Kennedy until I stumbled upon reading the comments section to an article. I only knew were the 2 left/lefter candidates in the race.

Kennedy didn't get into the race until about a month ago. The others had been campaigning for about 4-5 months by then. At the time, he submitted a petition to get him on the ballot. He didn't have enough supporters to collect all the signatures, so he paid people to collect them out of his own pocket. That should also tell you that he has 0 funds via fund raising. Sure, he's got the best platform, but he started way too late. If he'd started campaigning when the others did, this might have been a very different race.

It seems like he's campaigning for name recognition for a future run and as an educational campaign. He was never a serious candidate for this election. Seriously, the only chance he has of winning is if one of the other candidates gets struck by lightning.

-t

revolutionary8

01-12-2010, 12:46 PM

Brown is an atrocious neocon. He is no better than any of the other big government Republican senators and he damn sure will not be getting any of my money. Its people like Brown who keep luring people back into this left-right, Republican-Democrat b.s. charade. There is a very slim chance that he might block health care reform, but there is a very big chance that if he is elected then he will vote for whatever warmongering, military expansionist, anti-privacy, anti-Constitution measure that comes up for a vote.

I agree w/ your entire post, except for the bold. Brown will only "block" health care reform in la la land. Brown backs Romneycare, which is indeed, "health care reform" of the worst kind.

The health care block argument is also steeped in the false left/right paradigm. The people arguing this point are just parroting the establishment Republicans. Some are doing it unintentionally, others intentionally.

parocks

01-12-2010, 01:03 PM

You know what's going on. You posted on my Joe Kennedy thread a month ago.
So did Lester1/2jr, who said "the lady who will win is a nightmare cross between hillary clinton and 50 cent"

Your analysis of Kennedy is accurate. If we, back December 10, all decided that
Joe Kennedy was Job 1 and took over his campaign like we pretty much took
over Ron Paul's campaign, it would've been a different story. I'm not sure what it would be exactly, but it wouldn't be "Joe Kennedy is almost completely unheard of
and 100% certain to lose". It was clear that Joe Kennedy didn't really need money (he'd spend it "wrong") as much as he needed energetic supporters of Liberty who would do the Jan 2010 version of the "who is Ron Paul?" signs.

No one said "hey parocks, I'd like to make cool signs for Joe Kennedy, what do you suggest specifically?" I woulda told em what to do, maybe even given em a template for a cool sign and a link to where they could buy a roll of mirror mylar,
green spray paint. (I might do that anyway)

Listen, there are no excuses for any liberty minded person not knowing that Kennedy was running. Oh, I'm sure that everyone was all caught up in all the
other US Senate races taking place in January. Oh, the fact that Ted Kennedy
died last year didn't make the news. No controversy about changing MA law to appoint Kirk without an election. All the articles the day after the primary mentioned Kennedy.

Back in 2007 we were a bunch of talented excited people thinking up new ideas about helping Ron Paul. Some were really good, and "money bomb" and "tea party" were adopted by others. Now, every other post is "I don't like this Republican because he's a neocon".

Kennedy didn't get into the race until about a month ago. The others had been campaigning for about 4-5 months by then. At the time, he submitted a petition to get him on the ballot. He didn't have enough supporters to collect all the signatures, so he paid people to collect them out of his own pocket. That should also tell you that he has 0 funds via fund raising. Sure, he's got the best platform, but he started way too late. If he'd started campaigning when the others did, this might have been a very different race.

It seems like he's campaigning for name recognition for a future run and as an educational campaign. He was never a serious candidate for this election. Seriously, the only chance he has of winning is if one of the other candidates gets struck by lightning.

-t

Aratus

01-12-2010, 01:08 PM

revolutionary8

01-12-2010, 01:16 PM

there have been two very recent polls, one had scott brown 48% to ms. martha coakley's 47% and this was by the PPP people, the other was by the BOSTON GLOBE and had her 15 points over scott brown! if the triple "P" poll is more accurate, our local g.o.p is going thru a rollercoaster ride of emotions! the seat is so close!

Yep. People like us, who tend to THINK about who we vote for rather than vote party could actually swing this race. If I lived in Mass, I'd consider trying to form a voting block- I would swing it for the Dems, b/c they would be easier to beat in the next race, after the Democrats crash and burn. Coakley has a better chance of voting against the war than Brown going against Romneycare Obamacare.

But that's just me, and I think one day that the GOP might be forced to listen to the TRUE conservatives. I say vote for the true conservative every time. But that is just common sense...

Sadly, common sense is sorely lacking these days. Its all rocket surgery.

Aratus

01-12-2010, 01:19 PM

Aratus

01-12-2010, 01:23 PM

IMOHO very adroitly & cleverly... YouTube - Different People, Same Message (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iddquwGpXM0)
scott brown ran this ad and got ALL our local Democrats upset! our four Democrats
in the special election primary had squabbled over TEDDY's legacy, not JFK's!!!

revolutionary8

01-12-2010, 01:24 PM

if ms. martha coakley squeaks by, she can be challenged in 2012 in both the Democratic primary and the general election. if its scott brown, by being almost RINO... he just might survive any Republican challenger then, only to face another Obama Democrat in 2012! i shook joe kennedy's hand last month and as i did i said i'd vote for him!!!

Exactly.
If I were a college liberty lover in Mass, I might start a money bomb website with this video as the header...

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4284258 (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4284258)

lmao. That might not go over well with the Glenn Beck type Republicans that might swing Kennedey, but it would do well with the younger voters. Too bad he didn't enter the race earlier, but it's never too late. Brown is a MODERATE/Neoliberal. A Neocon of the worst kind. An AIPAC shill.

lester1/2jr

01-12-2010, 01:37 PM

parocks- she talks like she has a razor under her tongue. I'm sorry I didn't get on board with kennedy back then but I didn't give money to brown either.

obviously, you are right

revolutionary8

01-12-2010, 01:47 PM

parocks

01-12-2010, 01:53 PM

I was interested in Kennedy a month ago as I mentioned to you elsewhere.

Right now, Kennedy is most likely not capable of spending $. RP didn't really know
what to do with all the $ we gave him.

Kennedy needs signs and people to put those signs up. Just do it.
I went into great detail on another post about what to do. If anyone actually
wants to do that - make and put up signs - I can do some of the work - mostly
ideas about signs and places to put them up.

There is no campaign, if you want to help Kennedy, it'll have to be DIY stuff, like
the Ron Paul campaign mid 2007, when it was all about the signs.

Exactly.
If I were a college liberty lover in Mass, I might start a money bomb website with this video as the header...

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4284258 (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4284258)

lmao. That might not go over well with the Glenn Beck type Republicans that might swing Kennedey, but it would do well with the younger voters. Too bad he didn't enter the race earlier, but it's never too late. Brown is a MODERATE/Neoliberal. A Neocon of the worst kind. An AIPAC shill.

revolutionary8

01-12-2010, 01:58 PM

I was interested in Kennedy a month ago as I mentioned to you elsewhere.

Right now, Kennedy is most likely not capable of spending $. RP didn't really know
what to do with all the $ we gave him.

Kennedy needs signs and people to put those signs up. Just do it.
I went into great detail on another post about what to do. If anyone actually
wants to do that - make and put up signs - I can do some of the work - mostly
ideas about signs and places to put them up.

There is no campaign, if you want to help Kennedy, it'll have to be DIY stuff, like
the Ron Paul campaign mid 2007, when it was all about the signs.

Yes, see above, and I also left you a note in the other thread. Thanks parrocks, sorry I am late. :o

Perhaps Cinderella can look in to that... she's in the area. A moneybomb would help, but first there has to be some people in that district that would be willing to put the signs out.

johnrocks

01-12-2010, 01:58 PM

I liked this Kennedy guy, perhaps we missed an opportunity here, in this case though, Brown hopefully will trump another Democrat and make things a bit more difficult for Obama and co.

angelatc

01-12-2010, 02:07 PM

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Seriously, we need to do a better job of tracking actual liberty candidates. Every time I turn around I hear about a new one. Sometimes when it's too late for us to do much good.

I think the candidates have to be responsible for getting their message out. If they can't reach us, who can they reach?

parocks

01-12-2010, 02:13 PM

yeah parrocks, thanks for posting your information/recommendations. I am sorry that I missed that. I don't think that it is too late, and yes, in this race Kennedy could make a real difference. People might listen. Are there any people that lurk here or are members here who work w/ the campaign? You'd think there would be.

If I were to guess, I'd say that Kennedy has very few volunteers. I would guess that it's Kennedy, and almost the only thing he does is the debates and select appearances. He may have a staff, but less than 10.

He may have signs, but maybe not.

If he knew what he was doing, he should've come here himself, months or weeks before December 10, and introduced himself and said "who wants to help me"

Go on here every day until all we were talking about was Joe Kennedy. I had an open mind about Joe Kennedy on Dec 10. I didn't know much of anything about any of the candidates. I thought there was a longshot chance that Kennedy could = Hoffman, and Brown could = Dede. But a month has passed, and that is simply not the case.

In order to help, you might want to get in contact with meetup groups ronpaul-6
and ronpaul-68 who have talked a little about Kennedy.

They were sending emails about Kennedy back 12/11, 12/12, 12/15

I went to NH for Ron Paul. I slept 3 days on the floor in a Ron Paul house with like 30 or so others.

The NH campaign was chaotic and not very effective. The people there were energetic, but inexperienced. There was no coordination between the volunteers from away and the Ron Paul campaign. The Ron Paul volunteers from away didn't really like doing the real campaign stuff, the GOTV, the door to door and the phoning. They did like waving signs.

Joe Kennedy quite likely doesn't have a GOTV. So if you go to MA to help, you wouldn't be doing much "real" campaign work.

But if you can get signs up at the polling places in Cambridge (Harvard)
you'll be doing something that you can see.

This whole project could be done from here.

Instead of a money bomb, remember "chip ins" I think they were called

You take the point. You say - I want to go to Cambridge MA and put up signs.
I need $ to do this. Give me $ through the chip in. You take the money
that the chip in gives you buy gas with the money, buy metalized mylar and green
spray paint. Sleep in your car, or make the posters at home, then drive up to Boston / Cambridge with your signs - get there like 2 am, spend 4 hours putting up the signs and go home.

revolutionary8

01-12-2010, 02:14 PM

I think the candidates have to be responsible for getting their message out. If they can't reach us, who can they reach?

At least he was able to get in to the debates. :o

Seriously, he's catching on with this latest debacle, I'm sure we aren't the only ones out here that are horrified by this debate. I'm sure independent voters will swing Kennedy if they start doing their research. Massholes aren't stupid, they are brainwashed. It's one of the most overindoctrinated places in the country. Hopefully they will start doing their homework. I'm thinking some of the students will look in to his message.

Aratus

01-12-2010, 02:16 PM

folks, i'd almost say to spam email the good people west of the QUABBIN RESEVOIR!
the Berkshires are almost like the way N.H or Vermont were in my childhood! they are
usually not fans of the legislature in boston, they usually see most taxes as not needed...

Carole

01-12-2010, 02:23 PM

If he is elected there will be Minnesota-like recount lasting weeks and the interim senator will vote on the bill. Brown will be denied entrance to the Senate for as long as possible.

revolutionary8

01-12-2010, 02:27 PM

If he is elected there will be Minnesota-like recount lasting weeks and the interim senator will vote on the bill. Brown will be denied entrance to the Senate for as long as possible.

Yep. And if it isn't his vote, it will be another's vote. It's a charade.

parocks

01-12-2010, 02:40 PM

Go to Cambridge, then Boston if you have time with a ton of signs that look just like this. Put them at Polling Places in Cambridge 4 am Tuesday Jan 19

URL or Link to Cambridge MA polling places -
http://www.cambridgema.gov/special/polling_locations.pdf

These are the official signs from the merchandise section of the Kennedy website

http://images0.cafepress.com/product/408046760v1_480x480_Front.jpg

Kennedy can't use your money now, doesn't know how to spend it. Needs signs and volunteers putting up signs in Cambridge.

folks, i'd almost say to spam email the good people west of the QUABBIN RESEVOIR!
the Berkshires are almost like the way N.H or Vermont were in my childhood! they are
usually not fans of the legislature in boston, they usually see most taxes as not needed...

RonPaulFanInGA

01-13-2010, 03:46 AM

Why wasn't there a kennedy money bomb?

Because everyone knows he is going to finish dead last with a vote percentage in the low single digits...and you just can't get people excited to donate to that.

The only purpose Kennedy serves is to help the democrats maintain their filibuster-proof Senate majority.

revolutionary8

01-13-2010, 03:53 AM

because everyone knows he is going to finish dead last with a vote percentage in the low single digits...and you just can't get people excited to donate to that.

The only purpose kennedy serves is to help the democrats maintain their filibuster-proof senate majority.

fearmonger.

Vote for evil, right?
let's hear you sugar coat that turd sandwich, dress it up as a douche. and convince liberty minded people to vote for "it".
I'll hide and watch...
however,
i'd advise against "it".
I'd also advise against sparring for Rand after this debacle plays out.
place your bet...

Maestro232

01-13-2010, 09:30 AM

Perhaps some of you should leave the Massachusetts election to those of us that actually live in Massachusetts. I don't like voting for Brown with such a strong liberty candidate as an option, but this is a chance to put breaks on some of Obama's evil agenda. If you think a Noob Republican Senator is going to vote against his party before getting some seniority then you are mistaken.

Aratus

01-13-2010, 10:08 AM

many of us are going are going to stare at the three names on our ballots, and as the election gets
closer, the margins are going to be narrower. the boston globe poll is very inaccurate. the newer polls will
give the percentage spread. this is going to be one intense week. the entire timeframe of the special election is so trunctuated and fierce. i thought at the begining it all was deal struck by our two party hack people to EXCLUDE all
third party people from getting even get a 5% or 10%... and i am very drawn to ANYONE who questions
how our FED runs our banking system! martha coakley and scott brown haven't wanted to audit the FED...

klamath

01-13-2010, 10:31 AM

Because in reality nobody really gave a shit about Kennedy around here and are all for kennedy now because votes for him can assure the democrats can keep the 60 vote majority.

Aratus

01-13-2010, 10:36 AM

Go to Cambridge, then Boston if you have time with a ton of signs that look just like this. Put them at Polling Places in Cambridge 4 am Tuesday Jan 19

URL or Link to Cambridge MA polling places -
http://www.cambridgema.gov/special/polling_locations.pdf

These are the official signs from the merchandise section of the Kennedy website

http://images0.cafepress.com/product/408046760v1_480x480_Front.jpg

Kennedy can't use your money now, doesn't know how to spend it. Needs signs and volunteers putting up signs in Cambridge.

scott brown is gaining...
cambridge is an enclave...
scott brown wins or looses
depending on what the swing
voters do in the 128 & 495 suburbs...
we have reagan democrats & blue dog
democrats up here. independents sometimes
despise EITHER political party and like being aloof!

Aratus

01-13-2010, 10:38 AM

IMOHO Joe Kennedy(I) may soon draw support from
Kucinich Democrats as well as Ron Paul Republicans!

Aratus

01-13-2010, 10:44 AM

ms. coakley's run is one of the ways that our noble potus
appeases the woman's libbers around sec' of state hillary C!
oh do ask yourselves WHY the good woman just won over the
three OTHER (male!) Democrats! this is the seat that senator ted
had for 46 going onto 47 years, and scott brown's NEW poll numbers
are ALSO a wake-up call for senator john kerry since they are SO close!

Aratus

01-13-2010, 10:49 AM

the local state house democrats thought that by having such a short race, it gives their
person almost total access to the finish line with few gremlins or hitches, and then the
re-election numbers would go back to a lopsided 70% to 30% once more as our politics as
usual kicks in again! there were years when senator ted & senator kerry HAD NO opponents!

lester1/2jr

01-13-2010, 10:57 AM

Because in reality nobody really gave a shit about Kennedy around here and are all for kennedy now because votes for him can assure the democrats can keep the 60 vote majority.

oh I see. so people who are supporting the candidate who is actually something resembling a liberty candidate are actually just democrats in disguise.

okay dude. have fun campagning for the next bush cheney that comes around and I'll just stick with this crazy "utopian" stuff and we'll see who sleeps better at night

Aratus

01-13-2010, 11:18 AM

the happy thought is that TEDDY's seat comes up again in 2012, so any mistakes anyone makes now
can be most totally compensated for in less than two years time! at this point in time, i think that
scott brown's poll numbers are solid, and our local g.o.p is springing to life after being so mortibund!

Aratus

01-13-2010, 11:21 AM

in 1952 we see Henry Cabot Lodge junior getting the surprise of his life! He was
the LAST Republican to sit in the seat that is now being quite heartily contested!!
Ed Brooke once sat where Sen. Kerry is now, and he was a LIBERAL REPUBLICAN!!!

klamath

01-13-2010, 11:37 AM

oh I see. so people who are supporting the candidate who is actually something resembling a liberty candidate are actually just democrats in disguise.

okay dude. have fun campagning for the next bush cheney that comes around and I'll just stick with this crazy "utopian" stuff and we'll see who sleeps better at night

says a person that voted for Obama. Yeaw right:rolleyes:

lester1/2jr

01-13-2010, 11:51 AM

says a person that voted for Obama. Yeaw right

?? what are you talking about???

great. so you 're suggesting that anyone who supports the actual small government candidate is some kind of sell out to the movement to bring about smaller government.

I didn't vote for Obama but I'm pretty sure you voted for mcCain palin. and donated.

anyway, thank you for inspiring me to work against Scott Brown and for Kennedy, (so that we can keep the coakley vision alive of course)

parocks

01-13-2010, 12:02 PM

Kennedy needs signs in Cambridge

URL or Link to Cambridge MA polling places -
http://www.cambridgema.gov/special/polling_locations.pdf

2 good polling places to go to from the above PDF

4/1 Putnam Gardens Community Room
Entrance between Magee and Callender Streets

11/1 Jefferson Park Community Center Building
1 Jackson Place

oh I see. so people who are supporting the candidate who is actually something resembling a liberty candidate are actually just democrats in disguise.

okay dude. have fun campagning for the next bush cheney that comes around and I'll just stick with this crazy "utopian" stuff and we'll see who sleeps better at night

parocks

01-13-2010, 12:12 PM

Because everyone knows he is going to finish dead last with a vote percentage in the low single digits...and you just can't get people excited to donate to that.

The only purpose Kennedy serves is to help the democrats maintain their filibuster-proof Senate majority.

There's what Kennedy is doing, and what Kennedy can do.

I don't like what Kennedy is doing. Kennedy is helping the democrats.

I do like what Kennedy can do. Go to Cambridge and put up Kennedy signs.
Put up little photocopied pictures of the beloved Joe Kennedys. There are 3 - Joe Kennedy - JFK and RFK and Teddys dad. Joe Kennedy the brother of JFK and RFK and Teddy. Joe Kennedy the son of RFK. Joe Kennedy, RFK's son, is still alive, is still fairly young, and was expected by many to be running in this race.

In Cambridge, the name Joe Kennedy is very very popular. Cambridge votes over 90% Democrat. They like "Joe Kennedy" there. Cambridge is where you go to get people to vote for "Joe Kennedy"

Liberty Star

01-13-2010, 11:01 PM

There's what Kennedy is doing, and what Kennedy can do.

I don't like what Kennedy is doing. Kennedy is helping the democrats.

And Brown is helping Republicans and speaking for anti-American group AIPAC.

parocks

01-13-2010, 11:08 PM

And Brown is helping Republicans and speaking for anti-American group AIPAC.

Hey, if you like Kennedy, go on over to Cambridge and help him out.

Link to Cambridge MA polling places with Addresses -
http://www.cambridgema.gov/special/polling_locations.pdf

Here are 2 addresses

4/1 Putnam Gardens Community Room
Entrance between Magee and Callender Streets

11/1 Jefferson Park Community Center Building
1 Jackson Place

PaleoPaul

01-13-2010, 11:33 PM

At least he's only serving a partial term...

RonPaulFanInGA

01-14-2010, 03:41 AM

fearmonger.

How is it fearmongering? We both know Kennedy is going to finish last, don't lie to yourself or anyone else here.

There are three candidates on the ballot and Kennedy is going to finish a very distant dead last with like 2% or 3%. 2% in a three-candidate race is pathetic no matter how you spin it; and he was in the debates too. Why should anyone here who doesn't have much money give this guy $50 they probably don't have for his 2% vanity campaign?

parocks

01-14-2010, 04:57 AM

It's fairly easy to explain.

There are currently 60 turd sandwichs in the senate and 40 douches.

If the douche wins, there will be 41 douches in the senate.

If there are 41 douches in the senate, the turd sandwiches will have a more difficult time passing legislation that really really sucks.

People will vote for a douche if it means stopping legislation that really really sucks.

Help out Kennedy in Cambridge on election day.
Link to Cambridge MA polling places with Addresses -
http://www.cambridgema.gov/special/polling_locations.pdf

Stand in front of a doorway, block people from voting, carry a nightstick, bring it Black Panthers style, Meehan style. That helps Kennedy. Go for it.

fearmonger.

Vote for evil, right?
let's hear you sugar coat that turd sandwich, dress it up as a douche. and convince liberty minded people to vote for "it".
I'll hide and watch...
however,
i'd advise against "it".
I'd also advise against sparring for Rand after this debacle plays out.
place your bet...

parocks

01-14-2010, 04:59 AM

How is it fearmongering? We both know Kennedy is going to finish last, don't lie to yourself or anyone else here.

There are three candidates on the ballot and Kennedy is going to finish a very distant dead last with like 2% or 3%. 2% in a three-candidate race is pathetic no matter how you spin it; and he was in the debates too. Why should anyone here who doesn't have much money give this guy $50 they probably don't have for his 2% vanity campaign?

And besides, Kennedy doesn't need $ - he doesn't know it's coming and wouldn't know how to spend it.

What Kennedy needs is signs in Cambridge. Other types of help in Cambridge. Cambridge. Cambridge is where you go if you want to help Kennedy.

Link to Cambridge MA polling places with Addresses -
http://www.cambridgema.gov/special/polling_locations.pdf

lester1/2jr

01-14-2010, 08:54 AM

There are three candidates on the ballot and Kennedy is going to finish a very distant dead last with like 2% or 3%. 2% in a three-candidate race is pathetic no matter how you spin it; and he was in the debates too. Why should anyone here who doesn't have much money give this guy $50 they probably don't have for his 2% vanity campaign?

you're right. the liberty movement is stupid. we shuldn't promote candidates that have our ideals. we should support run of the mill republicans.

and change this forum from ronpaul forums to run of the mill anti ron paul republican forums. and be jerks