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Tyler19
10-04-2007, 09:30 PM
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=49578

What are we doing about this!

born2drv
10-04-2007, 09:33 PM
I was just thinking about this.... Ron Paul 2nd tier not being invited is one thing... Ron Paul top tier now is totally different. Not inviting someone who has more cash on hand then many and has a legit shot at being president just because you don't believe in his philosophy has to be damaging to their credibility.

I wonder what they think of Ron Paul's new found fame and their choice not to invite him.

Tyler19
10-04-2007, 09:35 PM
This is another chance for us to show our power. we need a rally right outside that place.

itsnobody
10-04-2007, 09:36 PM
Yeah this is going to look bad...ALL of the top-tier candidates are showing up...

Brendan Wenzel
10-04-2007, 09:39 PM
How in the world can they keep ignoring such a huge uprising???

born2drv
10-04-2007, 09:39 PM
Yeah this is going to look bad...ALL of the top-tier candidates are showing up...

I don't think it will look bad for Ron Paul at all.... in fact if he doesn't get invited, if I were him I'd put out a press release why he was not invited and what his position is on giving foreign aid to an organization who lobbies for money from our tax dollars. It would probably make more headlines and get his point across much better then him attending.

nullvalu
10-04-2007, 09:40 PM
This is another chance for us to show our power. we need a rally right outside that place.

yep exactly.. make our rally the focal point of anything reported from or about the debate..

Falseflagop
10-04-2007, 09:41 PM
Classic was that picture of him given a speech to like 3 people in the crowd!!

Brownback how this guy is senator is baffling let alone running for pRESIDENT!


P.S. Israel and the lobby do NOT LIKE RON PAUL, do you guys get it yet!

expatriot
10-04-2007, 09:42 PM
Cordon off the place ahead of time and don't let anyone in the front door.

Cindy
10-04-2007, 09:46 PM
How in the world can they keep ignoring such a huge uprising???

Would be hard to if there is an uprising rally right next to it with Paul giving another winning speech surrounded by 2,000 supporters.

ITRA Part II ????

mdh
10-04-2007, 09:47 PM
Would be hard to if their is an uprising rally right next to it with Paul giving another winning speech surrounded by 2,000 supporters.

ITRA Part II ????

I concur.

MikeStanart
10-04-2007, 10:01 PM
Would be hard to if there is an uprising rally right next to it with Paul giving another winning speech surrounded by 2,000 supporters.

ITRA Part II ????

Let there be Blowback.

DeadheadForPaul
10-04-2007, 10:06 PM
Guys, I think this is very explosive and could be very damaging to the campaign if we protest this. Ive been involved in politics since I was in high school and Ive never even heard of the RJC - that's how insignificant it is. Just let it go and let the campaign address this. Im VERY afraid that we're going to have 1 idiot standing outside with a Ron Paul shirt on and a "Zionists controlz the bankz and our gov't"

This looks like a huge opportunity for the MSM to jump on and say "Ron Paul supporters protest Jewish group. Ron Paul excluded because of his anti-Israel record and comments in a newsletter which said..."

Im very concerned

quickmike
10-04-2007, 10:09 PM
Would be hard to if there is an uprising rally right next to it with Paul giving another winning speech surrounded by 2,000 supporters.

ITRA Part II ????

Now theres a plan........... have a fund raiser right next door with media coverage and LOTS of people showing up. All this group is for is the US to continue giving welfare to a country that is more than able to defend itself from anyone in the region. Screw them.

Corydoras
10-04-2007, 10:11 PM
Deadhead, I agree with you!

robatsu
10-04-2007, 10:15 PM
Ignore the RJC. They made a bet that few would notice or care that they excluded RP. But now, with the recent burst of media attention & further boosting of RP's stature, this looks like a pretty silly bet. The fact of the matter by itself explains itself to an objective observer (and the number of objective observers of RP is growing radically these past days) and RP blowback at this point would be more like sour grapes than the grace & elegance for which RP & his supporters are famed.

DeadheadForPaul
10-04-2007, 10:17 PM
Ignore the RJC. They made a bet that few would notice or care that they excluded RP. But now, with the recent burst of media attention & further boosting of RP's stature, this looks like a pretty silly bet. The fact of the matter by itself explains itself to an objective observer (and the number of objective observers of RP is growing radically these past days) and RP blowback at this point would be more like sour grapes than the grace & elegance for which RP & his supporters are famed.

Agreed. By the way, what would be the point of Dr. Paul speaking to a group which clearly disagrees with him (and possibly hates him)? He's not going to convert anyone and it's probably not going to be televised - certainly not nationally. He's better spending his time campaigning in Iowa or NH and raising money. Im not going to lose any sleep if we fail to win the votes of the small and insignificant RJC

It'd be different if this was an anti-tax group, small government group, anti-war group, etc but we dont even see eye to eye with these people.

quickmike
10-04-2007, 10:23 PM
Agreed. By the way, what would be the point of Dr. Paul speaking to a group which clearly disagrees with him (and possibly hates him)? He's not going to convert anyone and it's probably not going to be televised - certainly not nationally. He's better spending his time campaigning in Iowa or NH and raising money. Im not going to lose any sleep if we fail to win the votes of the small and insignificant RJC

It'd be different if this was an anti-tax group, small government group, anti-war group, etc but we dont even see eye to eye with these people.

very true.

daviddee
10-04-2007, 11:02 PM
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njandrewg
10-04-2007, 11:12 PM
I don't think its that bad for Ron Paul, we'll see blowback and Ron Paul will be seen as the only candidate not bought out by the Israel lobbyists

DeadheadForPaul
10-04-2007, 11:18 PM
I don't think its that bad for Ron Paul, we'll see blowback and Ron Paul will be seen as the only candidate not bought out by the Israel lobbyists

I dont think we should touch the Israel issue so blatantly. That's the problem - we touch on too many issues. It's better to focus on the major ones: non-interventionism. Israel is included in the whole non-interventionism/no foreign aid position. We do not need to be seen as anti-Israel because that is viewed negatively whether you like it or not

Lets just let Dr. Paul do his thing

Taking on the Iowan tax group was legitimate. This is not

G-khan
10-04-2007, 11:25 PM
Who has been invited to this event?

max
10-04-2007, 11:26 PM
Guys, I think this is very explosive and could be very damaging to the campaign if we protest this. Ive been involved in politics since I was in high school and Ive never even heard of the RJC - that's how insignificant it is. Just let it go and let the campaign address this. Im VERY afraid that we're going to have 1 idiot standing outside with a Ron Paul shirt on and a "Zionists controlz the bankz and our gov't"

This looks like a huge opportunity for the MSM to jump on and say "Ron Paul supporters protest Jewish group. Ron Paul excluded because of his anti-Israel record and comments in a newsletter which said..."

Im very concerned

if we dont stop living in fear of the zionists...how do u ever hope to defeat them????

we should have a MASSIVE protest and call them out

Cindy
10-04-2007, 11:29 PM
I dont think we should touch the Israel issue so blatantly. That's the problem - we touch on too many issues. It's better to focus on the major ones: non-interventionism. Israel is included in the whole non-interventionism/no foreign aid position. We do not need to be seen as anti-Israel because that is viewed negatively whether you like it or not

Lets just let Dr. Paul do his thing

Taking on the Iowan tax group was legitimate. This is not

If it is reported that he was not invited because he is Anti- Isreal, which is a lie, he will be sure to be viewed in a negative light by many.

I see virtue in his having a friendly foriegn policy rally right afterwards and next door, to clear up, his position on how he thinks america should be friends with and trade with everyone, and seek not, to rule the world, lest, we get the world rebelling against us.

Paul would love to be there speaking on foriegn Policy and you all know it. Giving him a post rally to do just that, may make his month.

Just give it some thought.

Where is this debate happening anyway?

steph3n
10-04-2007, 11:33 PM
Max,

The ZIONIST are not the problem, you are the problem.
Lose the anti zionist CRAP, it's not helping anyone.

There is a difference in zionist and militant zionist, just like there was a difference in the civil rights between the likes of MLK and Malcolm X. MLK was peaceful and civil in all his cases, MX the same can't be said.




if we dont stop living in fear of the zionists...how do u ever hope to defeat them????

we should have a MASSIVE protest and call them out

kylejack
10-04-2007, 11:41 PM
The trouble with organizing a rally: if anti-Semite Paul supporters (come on guys, we know there's a few of these out there) show up to "help" with signs, it could be a PR disaster.

max
10-04-2007, 11:41 PM
Max,

The ZIONIST are not the problem, you are the problem.
Lose the anti zionist CRAP, it's not helping anyone.

There is a difference in zionist and militant zionist, just like there was a difference in the civil rights between the likes of MLK and Malcolm X. MLK was peaceful and civil in all his cases, MX the same can't be said.

these zionist gangsters got us into iraq, got 5,000 of my countrymen killed....20,000 seriously injured, thousands more pychologically damaged, a million dead iraqi civilians, a us economy going broke, a looming war in iran....and u want to pretend that AIPAC and Zionist neo-cons don't exist?..."Crap" as you say?

sorry dude, i dont agree with bending over when people are shoving a zionist **** up my ***

steph3n
10-04-2007, 11:44 PM
Max,

Your continual diatribe gets old, every chance you get you babble nonsense, a zionist is simply someone that supports Israel as a nation.
You need an education in speaking better because you generalize far to much and turn more people away then bring in. You need to understand the differences before you blame all.



these zionist gangsters got us into iraq, got 5,000 of my countrymen killed....20,000 seriously injured, thousands more pychologically damaged, a million dead iraqi civilians, a us economy going broke, a looming war in iran....and u want to pretend that AIPAC and Zionist neo-cons don't exist?..."Crap" as you say?

sorry dude, i dont agree with bending over when people are shoving a zionist **** up my ***

LibertyEagle
10-05-2007, 12:00 AM
Guys, I think this is very explosive and could be very damaging to the campaign if we protest this. Ive been involved in politics since I was in high school and Ive never even heard of the RJC - that's how insignificant it is. Just let it go and let the campaign address this. Im VERY afraid that we're going to have 1 idiot standing outside with a Ron Paul shirt on and a "Zionists controlz the bankz and our gov't"

This looks like a huge opportunity for the MSM to jump on and say "Ron Paul supporters protest Jewish group. Ron Paul excluded because of his anti-Israel record and comments in a newsletter which said..."

Im very concerned

Me too. It's just my opinion, but I think we should let Jews 4 Ron Paul handle this one.

max
10-05-2007, 12:02 AM
Max,

Your continual diatribe gets old, every chance you get you babble nonsense, a zionist is simply someone that supports Israel as a nation.
You need an education in speaking better because you generalize far to much and turn more people away then bring in. You need to understand the differences before you blame all.

ok...how about "Zionist Mafia"...

or "israel firsters".....u have to call them something...to pretend that israel's supporters dont control our foreign affairs is ridiculous

Hope
10-05-2007, 12:11 AM
Max, you don't realize that it's people like you who are so dogmatically vociferous about stuff like this that have the potential to completely sink Ron Paul's campaign.

Say what you want on your own time and your own turf.

When it comes to campaigning for Ron Paul, stick to HIS message so that no one gets the two confused.

max
10-05-2007, 12:22 AM
Max, you don't realize that it's people like you who are so dogmatically vociferous about stuff like this that have the potential to completely sink Ron Paul's campaign.

Say what you want on your own time and your own turf.

When it comes to campaigning for Ron Paul, stick to HIS message so that no one gets the two confused.

This is not the campaign....this is a forum.

as for "dogma"...do you mean to tell me that AIPAC doesnt dictate our foreign policy? Do u mean to tell me that Israel First is NOT one of the basic tenets of neo-conservatism?

Jimmy Carter made that very claim in his book (although with softer language than what I use)

By the way, Ron Paul has also said the same thing (albeit in softer language)

If we as "libertarians" practice self censorship...this nation will "sink itself" without my help

daviddee
10-05-2007, 12:31 AM
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steph3n
10-05-2007, 12:37 AM
Max,

Self censorship of lies I have no problem with, if someone is for Israel before the US, then that is wrong. Is someone is for pre-emptive war to "protect" israel that too is wrong.

However you have to be accurate in what you say, and calling everyone that is a Zionist a war monger is also WRONG. Being wrong doesn't help anyone.

About this not being part of the campaign, people come here to ask questions, let's give true not lies. and it is a lie to say Zionists put Israel first, I DO NOT and many others do not. I do not support pre-emptive war or aid of Israel either, but I support free trade with them as well as all others. Israel would be highly successful as a country if they would move away from their own socialism in government and be even more commercially successful than today.


This is not the campaign....this is a forum.

as for "dogma"...do you mean to tell me that AIPAC doesnt dictate our foreign policy? Do u mean to tell me that Israel First is NOT one of the basic tenets of neo-conservatism?

Jimmy Carter made that very claim in his book (although with softer language than what I use)

By the way, Ron Paul has also said the same thing (albeit in softer language)

If we as "libertarians" practice self censorship...this nation will "sink itself" without my help

Hope
10-05-2007, 12:37 AM
This is not the campaign....this is a forum.

as for "dogma"...do you mean to tell me that AIPAC doesnt dictate our foreign policy? Do u mean to tell me that Israel First is NOT one of the basic tenets of neo-conservatism?

Jimmy Carter made that very claim in his book (although with softer language than what I use)

By the way, Ron Paul has also said the same thing (albeit in softer language)

If we as "libertarians" practice self censorship...this nation will "sink itself" without my help

Okay, a couple of points. I'm not sure why there's a misunderstanding here.

Yes, this is a forum. What kind of forum? A RON PAUL forum. Google him and this forum turns up. Potential Ron Paul supporters will be turned away by stuff like this. The media has already picked up on this. It hurts the campaign for you to post here. I'm not asking you to tone it down because of some personal slight -- I'm asking because I care about our campaign and I hope you do too.

Is it censorship? No. It's prudence. I'm asking politely with a rationale to back me up.

Ron Paul has *never* said the things you are saying and you are deceiving yourself if you think otherwise. In the precious few moments he's gotten coverage lately, he's been reduced to answering questions about the views some of his supporters have who refuse to even take a breath between "Zionist" and "Ron Paul." That's not fair to him and it's not fair to us.

You have every right to your opinions and I'm sure that we were to chat in privately about it we would find that we agree on many points. But here's the thing. Ron Paul doesn't need labels like the ones you're using to get his message of freedom across...the labels and terms you're using could easily be misconstrued by both the media and the general public. You know it will happen and you should well know that kind of damage it could do to Ron Paul's campaign. Moreso than posting on a Ron Paul forum, I'm talking about the people who hand out information at Ron Paul rallies and general events that is highly controversial and which is NOT endorsed by the campaign. Ron Paul should not be used a soap box for your personal beliefs. I disagree with Ron Paul on a few things and I think I make quite a good argument for them, but I don't bring those things up at political rallies where I'm essentially a spokesperson for the campaign. There's a time and a place.

Put the campaign first and yourself second. That's the only way we're going to be able to stick together, win over more undecided voters, raise more cash and win this frickin' election. :)

max
10-05-2007, 12:43 AM
ok...

i'll never speak of Israeli control of US policy ever again....just like Carter waited 20 years to do so (what good is it now?)

But when the war in Iran ..and the draft... begins...I will be back to say "See...I told u so"

Hope
10-05-2007, 12:47 AM
ok...

i'll never speak of Israeli control of US policy ever again....just like Carter waited 20 years to do so (what good is it now?)

But when the war in Iran ..and the draft... begins...I will be back to say "See...I told u so"

I appreciate you willing to keep it separate from Ron Paul's message. Thanks, man.

max
10-05-2007, 12:49 AM
I appreciate you willing to keep it separate from Ron Paul's message. Thanks, man.

lol....i hope u dont have this image of me in a nazi outfit...marcging down my block with an rp sign in one hand and anti-zionist literature in the other....lol

steph3n
10-05-2007, 12:56 AM
max it is not that at all, you just continually spout this multiple times a day and it gets very old. I will continue countering you any time you do it in an unreasonable manner.


lol....i hope u dont have this image of me in a nazi outfit...marcging down my block with an rp sign in one hand and anti-zionist literature in the other....lol

Corydoras
10-05-2007, 01:05 AM
lol....i hope u dont have this image of me in a nazi outfit...marcging down my block with an rp sign in one hand and anti-zionist literature in the other....lol


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