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Matt Collins
01-12-2010, 01:53 AM
This was just posted on Facebook. Apparently Obama has created a Council of Governors out of thin air.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/2010executive_order.pdf

purplechoe
01-12-2010, 02:00 AM
http://antzinpantz.com/kns/images/jul09/tmdsu09072420090723093603.jpg

http://jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/czar_dancing_obama_full.jpg

http://dancingczars.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/obama-czar_in_chief.jpg

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/000-1024092502-Obama_DisappearConstitution500MO.jpg

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-12-2010, 02:01 AM
Well, he can't appoint a Governor. A Governor is a duly-sovereign individual elected as the "President" of whichever state. A Governor is not under any order of the President. I don't like Sec. 2 Functions. Well, lets see. This basically makes the states Provinces, and at the same time puts Governors under the direction of the Secretary of Defense an appointed position, not elected. Haha, oh man. Yum yum Fascism. Delicious.

Matt Collins
01-12-2010, 02:09 AM
Haha, oh man. Yum yum Fascism. Delicious.


http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/fascism-obvious.jpg

purplechoe
01-12-2010, 03:09 AM
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http://1.media.tumblr.com/x9JGCu6o8lpcn2qcuhsAxrbmo1_400.jpg

staying with the theme... :)

devil21
01-12-2010, 06:19 AM
BUMP

Another very important EO from Obama lately!



When appointed, the Council will be reviewing such matters as involving the National Guard of the various States; homeland defense; civil support; synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.

That sounds like the Feds working to usurp the Governor's control of National Guard within the US borders.

haaaylee
01-12-2010, 07:42 AM
Sec. 4. Definitions. As used in this order:
(a)
the term "State" has the meaning provided inparagraph (15) of section 2 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002(6 U.S.C. 101(15)); and

(b)
the term "Governor" has the meaning provided inparagraph (5) of section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122(5)).




Redefining terms?

ItsTime
01-12-2010, 07:45 AM
Sec. 4. Definitions. As used in this order:
(a)
the term "State" has the meaning provided inparagraph (15) of section 2 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002(6 U.S.C. 101(15)); and

(b)
the term "Governor" has the meaning provided inparagraph (5) of section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122(5)).




Redefining terms?

Could be. Anyone know what those definitions are?

Stary Hickory
01-12-2010, 09:18 AM
If you ask me this is just Obama trying to get MORE control over individual states to prevent a rash of nullifications and secessionist movements from undermining totalitarian control over Americans.

LittleLightShining
01-12-2010, 09:36 AM
Apparently this was something that was started in 2008.


Public Law 110-181. That is, it was passed by the 110th Congress in 2008. The authorizing language:



(Sec. 1822) Requires the President to establish a bipartisan Council of Governors to advise the Secretary, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the White House Homeland Security Council on matters related to the National Guard and civil support

Nate
01-12-2010, 09:39 AM
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/photo.php?pid=23188&id=100000619932944

HOLLYWOOD
01-12-2010, 10:03 AM
Section 10
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters
of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but
gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder,
ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any
Title of Nobility.

Cinderella
01-12-2010, 02:16 PM
there are more than 10 states so why only 10 governors? Is it for regionalization of the U.S. and abolishing of individual states?

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1179.cfm

So now if any of those pesky states start clamoring on about rights not granted to the Feds, they'll simply no longer be considered "states" but numbered regions answerable to the overlord new Governor?



From my understanding the republic has 50 states, those states have their own governors, a group of 10 does not show or allow proper representation or participation to the remaining 40. This immediately sounds to me like usurpment, and the ground work for regionalization and territories of government and not individual states.

http://www.nga.org/portal/site/nga/menuitem.67948e4cf7b28b7ae8ebb856a11010a0/?vgnextoid=455c8aaa2ebbff00VgnVCM1000001a01010aRCR D

LittleLightShining
01-12-2010, 03:59 PM
Anyone know anything about Metro 1313 (http://www.sweetliberty.org/beware_metro.html)?

MsDoodahs
01-12-2010, 04:27 PM
I can't decide whether to get mad or give up....

LittleLightShining
01-12-2010, 04:29 PM
10 regions, 10 governors in charge... 10 governors on the council of governors. Federal groundwater legislation, wild and scenic designations... help me out here because it's adding up.

Get mad, don't give up.

akihabro
01-12-2010, 08:18 PM
Section 10
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters
of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but
gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder,
ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any
Title of Nobility.
Good catch. I found this story on infowars. I was trying to figure out the problem because this was a law passed by the House and Senate. It allows the communist in chief to create the council. I was thinking can Congress give the President new powers that aren't in the Constitution? Trying to decipher the laws (not so much the Constitution) is difficult without a law degree.

I'm going to guess New York and California's governors will be picked.

easycougar
01-12-2010, 08:48 PM
Im having a really difficult time understanding why this was done and the timing of this. Is this in preparation for something coming down the road?

phill4paul
01-12-2010, 08:50 PM
I can't decide whether to get mad or give up....

Refocus?

Cinderella
01-13-2010, 08:57 AM
bump

Sandman33
01-13-2010, 01:30 PM
BUMP

Another very important EO from Obama lately!



That sounds like the Feds working to usurp the Governor's control of National Guard within the US borders.

That's EXACTLY what it sounds like. :mad:

Dieseler
01-13-2010, 02:53 PM
"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no power as yet but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast." (Rev. 17:12-13)

Why ten?
These people are fucking with us bad.


A system of Government will be established, according to the Bible, which will ascend out of the bottomless pit (Rev 17:8) and make war with the saints and to overcome them (Rev 13:7). The Beast will cause every man on Earth to be numbered in order to buy and sell (Rev 13 :16-17). The Beast will be a wonder to see and watch (Rev 13:3). The entire world will worship the Dragon (Satan) who gives power to the Beast (Rev 13:4 and Rev 20:2). The System is being rapidly set up before our eyes and is using its economic, political and spiritual power to bring it to pass. The Dragon gives this system its power and authority (Rev 13:2). Because the Dragon is such a deceiver, we should expect the system to be brought into being with great subtlety and deceit. We have not been able to fully ascertain what the Dragon has been doing because we have been distracted. This Beast will be most formidable. It will literally tread the Earth down with its power and make life hell for the saints.

Dieseler
01-13-2010, 03:21 PM
(b) the term "Governor" has the meaning provided in paragraph (5) of section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford DisasterRelief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122(5)).

According to that section:

“Governor” means the chief executive of any State.

Have new States we are yet unaware of been created? If not, then what States might they be referring to?


(a) the term "State" has the meaning provided in paragraph (15) of section 2 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002(6 U.S.C. 101(15)); and

From paragraph (15) of section 2 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002(6 U.S.C. 101(15))

(14) The term ‘‘State’’ means any State of the
12 United States, the District of Columbia, the Common13
wealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam,
14 American Samoa, the Commonwealth of the Northern
15 Mariana Islands, and any possession of the United
16 States.

LittleLightShining
01-13-2010, 03:24 PM
According to that section:


Have new States we are yet unaware of been created? If not, then what States might they be referring to?

Apparently yes. Go back a page and look at the link I posted to Metro 1313.

Dieseler
01-13-2010, 03:33 PM
Apparently yes. Go back a page and look at the link I posted to Metro 1313.
Cool, will do.
Edit: Oh damn, looks like the pre-planned government just got fired up then, that's a really long read, gonna take a bit of time to go through that.


Just sorting this monster out so I can go through it better line by line.



THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release January 11, 2010
EXECUTIVE ORDER
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNORS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America,including section 1822 of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 (Public Law 110-181), and in order to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State governments to protect our Nation and its people and property,it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Council of Governors.

(a) There is established a Council of Governors (Council).The Council shall consist of 10 State Governors appointed bythe President (Members), of whom no more than five shall be of the same political party. The term of service for each Member appointed to serve on the Council shall be 2 years, but a Member may be reappointed for additional terms.

(b) The President shall designate two Members, who shall not be members of the same political party, to serve as Co-Chairs of the Council.

Sec. 2. Functions.

The Council shall meet at the call of the Secretary of Defense or the Co-Chairs of the Council to exchange views, information, or advice with the Secretary of Defense; the Secretary of Homeland Security; the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counter terrorism; the Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement; the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and Americas' Security Affairs; the Commander,United States Northern Command; the Chief, National Guard Bureau; the Commandant of the Coast Guard; and other appropriate officials of the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense, and appropriate officials of other executive departments or agencies as may be designated by the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of Homeland Security.Such views, information, or advice shall concern:

(a) matters involving the National Guard of the various States;

(b) homeland defense;

(c) civil support;

(d) synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and

(e) other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.

Sec. 3. Administration.

(a) The Secretary of Defense shall designate an Executive Director to coordinate the work of the Council.

(b) Members shall serve without compensation for their work on the Council. However, Members shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, as authorized by law.

(c) Upon the joint request of the Co-Chairs of the Council, the Secretary of Defense shall, to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, provide the Council with administrative support,assignment or detail of personnel, and information as may be necessary for the performance of the Council's functions.

(d) The Council may establish subcommittees of the Council. These subcommittees shall consist exclusively of Members of the Council and any designated employees of a Member with authority to act on the Member's behalf, as appropriate toaid the Council in carrying out its functions under this order.

(e) The Council may establish a charter that is consistent with the terms of this order to refine further its purpose,scope, and objectives and to allocate duties, as appropriate,among members.

Sec. 4. Definitions. As used in this order:

(a) the term "State" has the meaning provided in paragraph (15) of section 2 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002(6 U.S.C. 101(15)); and

(b) the term "Governor" has the meaning provided in paragraph (5) of section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122(5)).

Sec. 5. General Provisions.

(a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(1) the authority granted by law to a department, agency, or the head thereof; or

(2) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary,administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.



BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,January 11, 2010.
###

Dieseler
01-13-2010, 03:42 PM
I'm looking for this executive order now.




NIXON’S EXECUTIVE ORDER SUB-DIVIDING THE STATES

On February 10, 1972, as the nation’s press and TV were inundating the American people with coverage of Nixon’s upcoming journey to Communist China, the President signed Executive Order No. 11647, which then appeared in the FEDERAL REGISTER of February 12. There was virtually no comment in the nation’s press on this action.

By this Executive Order, the President by a stroke of the pen divided the United States into ten federal regions to be run by "Federal Regional Councils."

In Executive Order No. 11647, the President decreed:

"There is hereby established a Federal Regional Council for each of the ten standard federal regions. Each Council shall be composed of the directors of the regional offices of the Departments of Labor, Health, Education, and Welfare, and Housing and Urban Development, the Secretarial Representative of the Department of Transportation, and the directors of the regional offices of the Office of Economic Opportunity, the Environmental Protection Agency, and the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration.

"The President shall designate one member of each such council as chairman of that council and such chairman shall serve at the pleasure of the President. Representatives of the Office of Management and Budget may participate in any deliberations of each council."

The "ten standard federal regions" referred to by Nixon were delineated by him in a press release issued by the White House on May 21, 1969. Purporting to "streamline the structure and processes of federal agencies in the field," the President then gave the alignment for the federal regions as follows: (The city in parentheses is the federal capital of each region.)



REGION I (Boston) - Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont.


REGION II (New York City) - New York, New Jersey, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands.


REGION III (Philadelphia) -Delaware, District of Columbia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia.


REGION IV (Atlanta) -Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee.


REGION V (Chicago) -Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin.


REGION VI (Dallas-Fort Worth) Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas.


REGION VII (Kansas City) - Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and Nebraska.


REGION VIII (Denver) - Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming.


REGION IX (San Francisco) -Arizona, California, Hawaii, and Nevada.


REGION X (Seattle) - Alaska, Idaho, Oregon, and Washington.

As can be noted in the foregoing list, in all cases the lines drawn for these federal regions cross State lines, thus to all intents and purposes obliterating the sovereignty of the States.



FEMA Regions?
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/unitedstat.gif

Dieseler
01-13-2010, 03:50 PM
Executive Order 11647
Federal Regional Councils

* Signed: February 10, 1972
* Federal Register page and date: 37 FR 3167; February 12, 1972
* Amended by: EO 11731, July 23, 1973; EO 11892, December 31, 1975; EO 12038, February 3, 1978
* Revoked by: EO 12149, July 20, 1979


Executive Order 12149
Federal Regional Councils

* Signed: July 20, 1979
* Federal Register page and date: 44 FR 43247; July 24, 1979
* Revokes: EO 11647, February 10, 1972
* Revoked by: EO 12314, July 22, 1981


Executive Order 12314
Federal Regional Councils

* Signed: July 22, 1981
* Federal Register page and date: 46 FR 38329; July 27, 1981
* Revokes: EO 12149, July 20, 1979
* Revoked by: EO 12407, February 22, 1983


Executive Order 12407
Federal Regional Councils

* Signed: February 22, 1983
* Federal Register page and date: 48 FR 7717; February 24, 1983
* Revokes: EO 12314, July 22, 1981

Now I'm looking for Executive Order 12407 Federal Regional Councils.

Dieseler
01-13-2010, 03:52 PM
Executive Order 12407 -- Federal Regional Councils

February 22, 1983
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and statutes of the United States of America, and in order to eliminate a mechanism for interagency and intergovernmental coordination which is no longer needed, it is hereby ordered that Executive Order No. 12314, establishing the Federal Regional Councils, is revoked.

Ronald Reagan

The White House,

February 22, 1983.

[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:33 a.m., February 23, 1983]




OK, so if this is all revoked, where then does Mr. Obama get the power to Create Ten Governors?
Back to post #25 I guess for more research links.

OK, it would appear that Mr. Obama is taking Mr. Nixon's Original EO , a step further,(?) by actually creating the Governors before he actually designates what they will be Governing,(?)
Placing the cart before the horse makes sense when no sense makes sense.
We are missing something here.
Still digging, somebody help me please.

Dieseler
01-13-2010, 04:03 PM
BUMP

Another very important EO from Obama lately!
That sounds like the Feds working to usurp the Governor's control of National Guard within the US borders.


Sec. 2. Functions.

The Council shall meet at the call of the Secretary of Defense or the Co-Chairs of the Council to exchange views, information, or advice with the Secretary of Defense; the Secretary of Homeland Security; the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counter terrorism; the Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement; the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and Americas' Security Affairs; the Commander,United States Northern Command; the Chief, National Guard Bureau; the Commandant of the Coast Guard; and other appropriate officials of the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense, and appropriate officials of other executive departments or agencies as may be designated by the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of Homeland Security.Such views, information, or advice shall concern:

(a) matters involving the National Guard of the various States;

(b) homeland defense;

(c) civil support;

(d) synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and

(e) other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.

Agreed on that part, but is this the full intent of this EO (?)

Unless and I assume to be the case that whatever has been changed or reinstated by this EO, must already have been changed and or reinstated via the Homeland Security Bill or The Patriot Act I or II.
That is beyond my scope.
Or, as I mentioned earlier, The Horse has been placed before the Cart.

Edit: Strangely enough, after visiting a few .Gov sites, Windows feels the need to do an update.
You couldn't write a better script.

Pepsi
01-13-2010, 04:14 PM
ohh great

Mini-Me
01-13-2010, 04:19 PM
Why ten?
These people are fucking with us bad.

As a non-Christian, I nevertheless share your sentiment. It seems like they're deliberately following Revelation (and perhaps other ancient prophecies, etc.) as a playbook, solely to mock the few that are paying attention and basically say, "Yeah, we know we're the bad guys, but what are you gonna do about it? Try to use this as evidence to prove your case and people will call you a nutcase. Hardy-har, har!"

Dieseler
01-13-2010, 04:34 PM
As a non-Christian, I nevertheless share your sentiment. It seems like they're deliberately following Revelation (and perhaps other ancient prophecies, etc.) as a playbook, solely to mock the few that are paying attention and basically say, "Yeah, we know we're the bad guys, but what are you gonna do about it? Try to use this as evidence to prove your case and people will call you a nutcase. Hardy-har, har!"

Once again,
You couldn't write a better script.
Than the one they already have that is...
They need to take a look at the end of The Book.

LittleLightShining
01-13-2010, 05:19 PM
OK, so if this is all revoked, where then does Mr. Obama get the power to Create Ten Governors?
Back to post #25 I guess for more research links.

OK, it would appear that Mr. Obama is taking Mr. Nixon's Original EO , a step further,(?) by actually creating the Governors before he actually designates what they will be Governing,(?)
Placing the cart before the horse makes sense when no sense makes sense.
We are missing something here.
Still digging, somebody help me please.

Have you looked at this (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2489496&postcount=10) yet?

Dieseler
01-13-2010, 05:23 PM
Looks like it basically says the same thing but the new EO just defines the cart a little better.
Where's the Horse?

Cinderella
01-14-2010, 10:53 AM
Bump!!

Carole
01-14-2010, 11:12 AM
Can anyone say posse comitatus?

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Carole
01-14-2010, 11:16 AM
Could it possibly be that collapse of the dollar and greater economic turmoil in the coming year or two? They must control the masses. :)